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TalkBack / SP Headphone Adapter MIA?

« on: March 24, 2003, 08:20:35 AM »

Well www.penny-arcade.com has a wonderful comic up today addressing Nintendo's stupidity with this situation. Click here to see it.

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While they were in there, though, they added a few more problems, just so we'd know it was still from Nintendo.

Classic.

[theaveng]

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Nintendo Gaming / Remakes

« on: March 24, 2003, 08:09:30 AM »

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Originally posted by: theaveng
Hear!  Hear!  I don't want to rebuy games I already played 15-20 years ago.  Younger gamers can go play the ROM or buy a used Nintendo if they want to play the old stuff.  Anyway, GIve Me The New Stuff!

If you don't want to buy it you don't have to. God, this crap of "I don't want to buy it" is so stupid and old. Just don't buy it then. No one is putting a gun to your head. Also it isn't only younger gamers that want to see ports/remakes. I played Metroid and Zelda when they first came out and I still think they need and deserve to receive ports/updates. Roms aren't as good as the real thing and finding used games as well as the console isn't that easy. It's even harder to find used POPULAR games.
 

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Nintendo Gaming / Metroid Remakes... COME ON NINTENDO!

« on: March 24, 2003, 08:02:56 AM »

Playing roms on an emulator is not only illegal but it's not as good as actually playing them on a some kind of console. I do have all the Metroid games on emulator and would much rather play them on a console or handheld. The Metroid bonus on Metroid Prime was much more enjoyable than playing it on an emulator. Also it isn't as easy as some people say to find used games. Sure ebay probably does have them but I'd also have to buy a SNES and NES and frankly I don't want to get a used game or console seeing as how there is no guarantee it would even work. Besides these games really deserve to be ported. There has already been a new Metroid released for the GBA so I don't see the problem. Retro has been confirmed to be making Metroid Prime 2 so it's not like we are being starved of Metroid any more.  

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Nintendo Gaming / Strange....*SPOILER*

« on: March 24, 2003, 07:51:54 AM »

Look my whole point in the first place is that Aonuma himself said that there are two time periods. He is the freaking director of Wind Waker so I think he would know. I wasn't just pulling that out of my ass Aonuma himself actually said that. Considering that Miyamoto was supposed to be sitting right beside him I'm sure he agrees with the two time period thing as well. Also things you listed as "paradoxes" are simply inconsistency because it's a video game and video games do have limitations. The story is a different thing. Once again my other point was that having two time periods gets rid of the time paradoxes and simplifies the whole thing. On the other hand the "single timeline theory" is what causes all of those problems.

Also this bull of saying it's a fantasy game so it can't have a coherent story line is crap. So you are telling me you can't put the Lord of the Rings or any of the other stories set in that world into a consistent story line. Yes, I realize it isn't real but for me part of the enjoyment of the Zelda series is the stories. So it's natural that I would want to put them in some order.  Also this isn't Final Fantasy in which it has been stated that none of the games have a connection with each other. With Zelda though the creators of the series have continuously supported the idea that there is a story line. Miyamoto himself had given a time line of the games shortly after Ocarina of Time's release.

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Nintendo Gaming / GBA SP recharger/ Power supply

« on: March 23, 2003, 07:36:56 PM »

No sh!t. Taco was only trying to help you out and then you had to insult him because of a typo.
 

[Hedorah64]

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TalkBack / Rogue Squadron III Confirmed

« on: March 23, 2003, 12:20:28 PM »

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Originally posted by: Hedorah64
Hopefully they will give us a Slave 1 worthy of the one in Episode II.

And a Falcon worthy of the OT for that matter. Why did they make it so slow and have the weakest shields and guns out of all the ships?

[Demonhunter]

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Nintendo Gaming / Strange....*SPOILER*

« on: March 23, 2003, 07:59:28 AM »

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Originally posted by: Demonhunter
Now heres a question, at the end of OOT, Zelda sends Link back, right? And the timeline Link is in now has no Gannondorf, so where is the triforce of power? Is the triforce in the Sacred Realm, or is it non-existant?

What I was saying is that Ganondorf doesn't exist in the time period Link was sent to at the end of Ocarina. He still however exists in the main time line (the one where Ganondorf ruled for 7 yrs and Link and the Sages finally defeated him) although he would be trapped in the Sacred Realm with the Triforce of Power. Wind Waker does explain what happens to each piece of the Triforce after Ocarina of Time and Link did not take the Triforce of Courage with him when Zelda sent him to the second time period.

Keep in mind most of the above stuff is just a theory of mine so don't take it to seriously.    

[Fluke Worm]

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TalkBack / SP Headphone Adapter MIA?

« on: March 22, 2003, 08:10:53 PM »

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Originally posted by: Fluke Worm
Another thing, I tried to edit my message so I wouldn't have two posts in a row but it said I couldn't post to this catagory

Same thing happened to me. Must be a glitch.

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Nintendo Gaming / Sold out in my area how bout yours?

« on: March 22, 2003, 05:06:26 PM »

I know that at my local EB they said that they had pre-ordered the entire shipment they were supposed to recieve.

[Infernal Monkey]

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Nintendo Gaming / Rogue Leader: Rogue Squadron III CONFIRMED

« on: March 22, 2003, 04:07:19 PM »

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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
Well, I for one am not excited. Not one bit.
I'd MUCH rather see an ORIGINAL space-shooter. One that's not restricted by the Star Wars license, I mean, c'mon, they already covered the movies best battles.. What are going to have now? The best battles from the various obscure comics?

Bah.

That's what I've been thinking. What the hell else is there to cover? Of course keep in mind that the majority of the first Rogue Squadron's missions were based on the comics and book.
 

[kabalcage]

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Nintendo Gaming / Rogue Leader: Rogue Squadron III CONFIRMED

« on: March 22, 2003, 01:49:55 PM »

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Originally posted by: kabalcage
How about something deep this time?

What do you mean? Are you talking about the story line?

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Nintendo Gaming / Strange....*SPOILER*

« on: March 22, 2003, 01:46:36 PM »

Again with the multiple posting theaveng. My point was that if there are two separate time periods and Link took the Master Sword with him to one of them then it wouldn't be in the other time period. If you say that Link was simply sent back in time then this causes time paradoxes to occur. For one thing this would mean that Link would have to battle Ganon over and over again and be sent back in time by Zelda over and over again. Also Zelda's whole point to sending him back in time was for him to live a normal life. How could he do this though since when he is sent back in time Ganon would be there and he would have to fight him. In other words Zelda had to have sent him to a separate time period/dimension where Ganon doesn't exist.  

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Nintendo Gaming / Rogue Leader: Rogue Squadron III CONFIRMED

« on: March 22, 2003, 11:43:03 AM »

I just read that EGM scan and their comment about racing through Endor at light speed makes me wonder if there will be a speeder bike level. This could mean that Rogue Squadron III will have non space ship levels. Of course you will still be controlling some sort of vehicle. This game will probably be like Battle for Naboo with both ground based vehicle levels and fighter ship levels.  

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Nintendo Gaming / Rogue Leader: Rogue Squadron III CONFIRMED

« on: March 22, 2003, 11:35:37 AM »

Ugg. While I enjoyed the N64 and GameCube version I really hope they bring something new to the plate and I don't just mean graphics wise.

Hey lets start a list of things we would like to see. Something I was thinking I would like in another Rogue Squadron game is a mode in which winning medals allows you to move up in ranks. I know that this is in each of the other two games only what I am talking about would actually affect the game. In the beginning you would just be a wing man having to follow orders but as you are promoted you would be able to take on more responsibilities and control and be able to use better ships. Also you would be able to return to older levels once you were promoted and since you would have more responsibility and control it would change what you would have to do in each mission.

I would also like to have more freedom as to how I was able to carry out each goal in each mission. One thing I didn't like in Rogue Leader was that it was to much like a movie that you were playing. Every time you play a level you do exactly the same thing every time. Giving you a mission goal of blowing up a generator or something and allowing you to do it how ever the hell you wanted to would definitely be nice. It would also be nice if what you did in each mission would have consequences so that while you can reach a goal however you wanted to there would still be better ways of doing it than others.

More control over your wing men would be nice as well as them having better AI. I want them to actually do random things instead of just flying in circles shooting at ships. Also the enemies should have better AI as well. Being able to take part in an actual dog fight would be great. I want to be in a situation were a Tie Fighter is on my ass and I have to use my flying skills to out maneuver him. Also none of that crap where if a Tie is actually on your ass you are killed after two hits.

Another thing that I want to see is that they actually get the Battle of Hoth right if it is going to be in this game too. Jesus how hard is it to get that battle to be movie accurate.

Finally they should make it so you have more control and maneuverability with the ships. I want to be able to pull of some kick ass Top Gun type stunts while a Tie is chasing me down.

[SatanicFreak]

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Nintendo Gaming / SP Graphics better

« on: March 22, 2003, 10:57:28 AM »

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Originally posted by: SatanicFreak
I agree with you.  This gba is way better then the old one.  I can see details that werent there before.

Of course you can when can actually see the damn screen in the first place.

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Nintendo Gaming / Metroid Prime Discussion

« on: March 22, 2003, 09:55:15 AM »

What the hell is the deal theaveng. Every time you post something it gets posted like five or six times. It's getting rather annoying. Also why the hell are you relpying to people's posts by making a new topic.

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TalkBack / SP Headphone Adapter MIA?

« on: March 21, 2003, 09:50:45 PM »

I have a feeling that you will only be able to get replacement batteries at the official store as well. I have to say that I really feel that the need to buy an adapter to use headphones on a hand held is a money making gimmick. Either that or it's just stupidity. Nintendo always seems to fall just short of perfection with this kind of thing and it's usually over something pretty stupid like this. Is there really any reason why they couldn't have just put a head phone jack in the damn thing. It reminds me of the fact that you have to buy a sold separately remote control to use the X-box's DVD.

The next After Burner type thing for the SP will be an internal head phone jack hack. At least it's not as big of a pain in the ass as not being able to see the damn screen.

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Nintendo Gaming / Strange....*SPOILER*

« on: March 21, 2003, 09:31:50 PM »

Yep, there is more than one Link and Zelda since the time line basically covers hundreds if not thousands of years. This was confirmed by Aonuma in the same interview I qouted from in my above post.

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In the beginning of the game, we see Link receive his trademark green tunic. It is explained that Link is the Hero of Time. Just how many Links are there?

Mr. Aonuma: In our opinions, every Zelda game features a different Link. A new hero named Link always rises to fight evil.

I would like to point out that there isn't actually a new Link in every game. Aonuma was just trying to get to the point without getting into messy details. What I mean is that the Link in Ocarina and Majora's Mask are the same and a lot of people feel that the Link from LoZ and AoL are the same. One of my personal opinions is that each new Link and Zelda is a reincarnation of the Ocarina Link and Zelda. I like this because while it's technically a new Link it's actually the same Link. This way you can keep a constant hero throughout the series.  

On the other hand I don't believe that there are multiple Ganons/Ganondorfs. There are really many ways for him to have lived so long. For one thing he has possessed the Triforce of Power which while I don't believe would give him eternal life it could have very well increased it. Also the Dark World/Golden Land may be a sort of Never Never Land where you don't age. Also the ending to Wind Waker would have definitely allowed him to stop aging at least for a while. Finally it's my opinion that he has definitely been resurrected at least once (not counting the Oracle games).

Impa though I believe is a completely different person each time. I think Impa is probably just a title/name for the royal family's nurse maids.

I'm glad that you were able to understand what I was getting at with the different time periods thing. I was afraid it would be a little to confusing. I guess it doesn't matter though since Rick said I was way off unless he was referring to Professional 666 moon/icecap post.

As far as how the games fit together it's kind of hard to say because until after Ocarina was released I don't think that Miyamoto was really concerned about making the story line consistent. Since Ocarina though there seems to be more of an effort to try and tell where the new games fit in the time line. Actually I think it's fairly easy to split the games into groups it is just the idea of figuring out how those groups go together.

Ocarina, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker are definitely related. We know that Majora's takes place 6 months after Link was turned into a child and sent to the second time period and that Wind Waker takes place 100 yrs after Ocarina on the main time period.

Then we have The Legend of Zelda and Adventures of Link which even though it's not concrete I would say they go together on the time line.

Finally you have A Link to the Past and Link's Awakening. Yeah, I know that we have the Oracle games to but to be honest I just feel there are to many contradictions in those games to properly fit with any other game.

Now you just have to decide which order those three groups go in. Actually considering we know for sure that Ocarina is the first game in the time line you really only have to figure out in what order the last two groups go in.  

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Nintendo Gaming / Release Date?

« on: March 20, 2003, 08:17:37 PM »

I was at my local EB the other day and they said it would be available on the 25th.  

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Nintendo Gaming / Strange....*SPOILER*

« on: March 20, 2003, 08:15:08 PM »

Even though the game will be released in a few days I'd like to know if I was close or way off Rick.  

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General Chat / New Metallica Album: St. Anger *UPDATE*

« on: March 20, 2003, 07:44:12 PM »

I'm really begging that this not be turned into a religious debate since I really don't want this thread to be closed. I don't like rap. Does that mean I have some sort of secret prejudice against black people?  

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Nintendo Gaming / Strange....*SPOILER*

« on: March 20, 2003, 07:24:53 PM »

Well you see I believe that there are two separate time lines. One being the future time line in which Ganon ruled Hyrule for seven years and then was defeated by Link and the Sages. Aonuma (Wind Waker director) said in the Summit interview that Wind Waker takes place 100 yrs after this time line. The other time line in simplest terms is child Link's time line. This is the time line that Zelda sent Link to at the end of Ocarina.

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Where does The Wind Waker fit into the overall timeline of the Legend of Zelda?

Mr. Aonuma: In terms of the storyline, we've decided that this takes place 100 years after the events in The Ocarina of Time. We think that as you play through the game, you'll notice that in the beginning the storyline explains some of the events in The Ocarina of Time. You'll also find hints of things from The Ocarina of Time that exist in The Wind Waker.

There's also a more complicated explanation. If you think back to the end of The Ocarina of Time, there were two endings to that game in different time periods. First Link defeated Ganon as an adult, and then he actually went back to being a child. You could say that The Wind Waker takes place 100 years after the ending in which Link was an adult.

I take this to mean that there are two separate time lines or as Aonuma puts it, "time periods" in the Zelda universe. One time period contains the events of Ganon ruling Hyrule for 7 yrs and Link and the Sages finally defeating him. This time period eventually leads into the events of Wind Waker and probably all the other Zelda games with the definite exception of Majora's Mask.

The other time period though is the one that Link was sent to as a child at the end of Ocarina. One theory I have is that Ganondorf doesn't exist in this time period therefore allowing Link to live out a normal life which is why Zelda sent him there. Anyway in this time period Link goes and meets the Zelda in it and like I said above convinces her to give him the Ocarina for safe keeping. After this the events of Majora's Mask unfold.

This is why the question of how the Master Sword is in Wind Waker is relevant. The way the ending cinema for Ocarina played out it seemed as if though Link took the Master Sword with him when he was turned into a child and sent to the second time period. If this is the case then the Master Sword can't be in the first time period because each time period should be separate. At least that is how I took Aonuma's response anyway. Like I said above it's possible that Link actually left the Master Sword with Zelda and that the Master Sword he was standing in front of as a child at the end of Ocarina was actually that time periods Master Sword.    

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Nintendo Gaming / Penny-Arcade: Gabes take on Wind Waker

« on: March 20, 2003, 05:41:27 PM »

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A group of children giggling in front of a nude painting doesn't mean it's a terrible painting. They simply are not sophisticated enough to appreciate it. It is the same with Zelda. - Gabe Penny-Arcade.com

That was a really good way of putting it.
 

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Nintendo Gaming / Metroid Remakes... COME ON NINTENDO!

« on: March 20, 2003, 05:39:42 PM »

I know people hate the Mario ports but Metroid (as well as Zelda) really deserve it. I mean Mario already had recieved upgrades before but Metroid hasn't and considering there are so many people that didn't get to play these games when they first came out they really need to port them. Besides we've already gotten a new Metroid GBA game so I don't think anyone can complain that they are sick of getting Metroid ports but no actual new game.  

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Nintendo Gaming / Strange....*SPOILER*

« on: March 20, 2003, 05:32:27 PM »

I think he gets it from young Zelda after he gets sent back in time. Notice how the last scene is in the ending of Ocarina is young Link and Zelda meeting. Maybe Link was able to convince Zelda to give it to him for safe keeping. Still it seems like they just forgot about that part as well as one or two other things I can't remember right now.

I also think there will be some similar problems in Wind Waker.

SPOILER WARNING.

If Wind Waker takes place 100 years after the events of Adult Link then how is the Master Sword in the game. You see when Link was sent back in time by Zelda it was my understanding he took the sword with him. He was shown standing by it after all as young Link. So how does it end up in the future? Very similar to the question of how did Link have the Ocarina of Time in Majora's Mask. I suppose the answer is that Link didn't actually take the Master Sword with him when he was sent back in time and was shown standing next to child Link's time line Master Sword at the end of Ocarina instead. Did that make any sense?