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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Nintendo France confirms Rev controls for Zelda

« on: February 27, 2006, 11:03:32 PM »

A rev-only special edition in addition to the gamecube one would be interesting.

Wait, did I say interesting? Sorry, I meant annoying.

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NWR Forums Discord / RE: Mafia II: Dead Like Me

« on: February 27, 2006, 11:00:52 PM »

What? How did I insult you?

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NWR Forums Discord / RE: Mafia II: Dead Like Me

« on: February 27, 2006, 10:58:40 PM »

Okay. Somebody had better start talking here.

Edit: let's see, who's voted for me? Unclebob. Dasmos. ShyGuy.

One of you, speak up.

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General Chat / RE: Official Avatar Discussion

« on: February 27, 2006, 10:52:16 PM »

Why don't we have one of those? PGC should have one of those. Definitley.

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NWR Forums Discord / RE: le Snesy

« on: February 27, 2006, 08:36:02 PM »

I see what you did there, infernal. On your blog. Stealing from me, who stole from Syndicat National des Enseignments de Second degre? That's low.

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NWR Forums Discord / RE: Mafia II: Dead Like Me

« on: February 27, 2006, 08:31:17 PM »

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vudu your a prick. This game doesnt counbt at all because NOBODY told me what we were doing, and teh other dorks in my mafia didnt EVER contact me until I started hinting at them. Anyways I dont care what you think about me personaly because youd idnt attack me personaly, so whatever, but you have to take into account where I was coming from, I had to figure out what was goiong on on my own, and by the time I figured out what we were doing it was too late, I already figured out that by reading the posts that people were Pming each otehr and I was getting left out so I made up my mind to start role playing to get attention.

Try reading the first part of that long 'diary' thing I did. Up til the part where you voted on me/started roleplaying. Notice how nobody told me what they were doing, either?

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Then ____emaild me saying he didnt want to PM anymore for fear of getting found out and we sealed our deal. I told him who all our mafia were and he agreed to vote wandering.

Who might that be?

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: The Revolution: the good, the bad, and the ugly

« on: February 27, 2006, 08:13:31 PM »

As others have said, at this point, there's only one 'con': lack of HD support.

Outside of that, we know the controller will probably be great, the system will be cheap, the download service will be awesome, etc, etc, etc.

The graphics might be dissapointing, they might not be. We haven't seen them yet.  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: New DS 3 patent

« on: February 27, 2006, 07:40:55 PM »

Look at the pictures!

You're controlling a plane. Put 2 fingers on the touchscreen. Rotate them to rotate the plane. Move your fingers apart to accelerate, move them together to decelerate.

The ds doesn't offer anywhere near that kind of complex control.

Oh, one interesting thing from the patent: instead of 2 screens, the system might offer one big one, either horizantally or vertically aligned. ...though I think the ds patent said something similiar.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: New Gameboy

« on: February 27, 2006, 07:00:45 PM »

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Considering that technology doesn't exist yet for consoles how could it possibly be included with a portable?

Because consoles have never been bundled with screens and portables always have been?

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NWR Forums Discord / RE: Mafia II: Dead Like Me

« on: February 27, 2006, 12:11:58 PM »

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Wandering, I didn't have to be told by the other Mafia members what you were, I had already figured it out from you slipup in the Dead Like Me thread.

I don't understand this at all. First off, it was a slip-up, a posted a in response to someone critisizing my cheese. But then Big_Brother replaced that with 'yes', as if to say 'yes, I agree, wandering's cheese sucks.' So I'm surprised people figured out that it was me because of that.

Second off, Big_Brother was an intentionally incompetent advocate of the kaplan mafia. So, why, when you learned that I was behind him, did you think I was a mobster? Did you think he really was a mafia advocate? If so, why would you think the last remaining reggie would want to defend kaplans? Did you think he was a fake mafia advocate? If so, why did he have to be the last remaining reggie and not just a townie or Bill  trying to get the mafia killed?

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Mario knew Vudu, Mystic, and BnM were all mobsters, he said it was up to me to figure out the last remaining Mafia member.

Mario didn't know it was me til it was all over, huh? I wouldn't have guessed that.

[-Day FIVE-]

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NWR Forums Discord / RE: Mafia II: Dead Like Me

« on: February 27, 2006, 11:36:05 AM »

The story concludes...

-Day FIVE-

(Mario sent me a pm saying mysticgohan accidently invited him to an msn chat with vudu)

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[to: mario]
ahahahahaha. They're going down.

The dead revealing information to the living? You're not...cheating, are you mario?

(mario: am I really dead?)

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[to: mario]
Well, I guess if you can intone "I am Captain Lavender! While I no longer live among you, know that I am always with you!" as if from the heavens, you can do anything....

Then, I I got a pm....

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[from: Savior Throwing A Bone]
one group

MysticGohan

vudu

BlackNMild

one group

speak not

act

I followed his advice and voted for vudu with no explanation.

-DAY SIX-

(MysticGohan writes and tries to convince me to vote for vudu, also that mario made shyguy a mobster.)
(I'm out until after the polls close, though.)

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[to: ShyGuy]
I'm pretending to trust mystic gohan so that the kaplans won't kill me tonight.

If you are indeed the vigilante, our best chance of winning is for you to take mystic gohan out tonight, and then to take care of BlackNMild tomorrow.

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[to: MysitcGohan]
sorry I couldn't vote today.

Whoever you want to vote for tomorrow, I'll back you up.

Trying to make sure the kaplans didn't think I was a threat to them...

(MysticGohan writes that he thinks he'll be long dead, mario tried to screw us all, I should try and pay them back 1000 fold tomorrow.)

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[to: MysticGohan]
if shyguy is the vigilante, why is that a bad thing?

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[to: MysticGohan]
oh, I see. You confessed.

Then you and BlackNMild are mafia.

Fine. If you can ensure my protection tonight, I will vote on ShyGuy tomorrow.

(Mystic responds: ShyGuy will kill me, he knows my role. MysticGohan knows too: stan told him. MysticGohan wants to wipe that smug look off Bill's face, who interfered too much. Also, he can ensure my protection, tells me Dasmos would die that night, and says he knows he will be killed by ShyGuy that night.)

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[to: MysticGohan]
Who's Stan?

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[to: MysticGohan]
Forgot to add:

I admit to nothing

But I give you my word that I will vote on ShyGuy tomorrow.

The post I just made is just to ensure ShyGuy doesn't think I know he thinks I'm mafia.

(Stan's Pryo. Also, MysticGohan revealed BnM will vote for me the next day.)

Wait, Pryo gave out my role? Bull. I feared they were just testing me to see if I was mafia, and had, in fact, written similiar notes to the other remaining players.

(BlackNMild writes to tell me he knows I'm mafia, and that we have to team up against ShyGuy the next day.)

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[to: BlackNMild]
What makes you think I'm mafia and dasmos or kirby aren't?

(the rat ratted on me, says BlackNMild, also he figured it out from anime's comments. No mention of pryo telling him anything.)

This confirmed my suspcions that they didn't really know I was mafia.  ...of course, my suspicions were wrong, they did know, and pryo probably did tell MysticGohan I was the last remaining reggie at the same time he told him he was killed by the vigilante.

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[to: BlackNMild]
I see. I'll tell you what I told MysticGohan: If you can ensure my protection tonight, I will vote for ShyGuy tomorrow, provided you do the same. I give you my word.

But this doesn't mean I'm admitting to being mafia.

I considered saying flat out that I wasn't the reggie, but I thought that might be suicide for 2 reasons: 1) BlackNMild could know I was lying, and then might not trust me to vote for ShyGuy, and then kill me. Or, 2) BlackNMild have actually been planning on sparing the person he felt sure was the last remaining mafia member that night.

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[to: Dasmos]
Did you get a pm from either BlackNMild or Mystic Gohan?

(Before day six or after, asked Dasmos. Also, why?)

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[to: Pryo]
What happens if the only 2 people left are a vigilante and a mobster? What if they're 2 mobsters from opposing teams?

Stalemate in both cases?

(That isn't going to happen, says pryo. ShyGuy will side with either me or him. One of us dies. ShyGuy kills the last mobster, the last mobster kills ShyGuy. Kirby is left standing, the townies win.)

Not necessarily true, thought I. There were numerous ways Kirby could die.

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[to: Pryo]
Hmm. Probably right.

Pryo's note convinced me everyone's roles were clear to everyone and that BlackNMild did, in fact, know I was mafia.

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[to: Dasmos]
After.

They both pmed me and I was wondering whether they were....

well, actually, it doesn't really matter what I thought they were doing, now. Cause now I know.

I'll explain after the game is over. Sorry to have bothered you.

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[to: BlackNMild]
BTW, tonight, I'd kill kirby. I've heard he's going to be coming back tomorrow.

I had this weird strategy that I could convince ShyGuy that Dasmos was the last remaining mobster. Dasmos hadn't, after all, ever voted on a mobster, as far as I could recall. I soon realized this wouldn't work. For one thing, either vudu or BlackNMild probably came to ShyGuy and told him I was mafia. And so, I came up with the only strategy that created the possibility of me winning.

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[to: BlackNMild]
...actually, I take that back. If you haven't killed dasmos, there's no way either of us will win. I'll explain after the day starts.

-Day SEVEN-

(BlackNMild tries to goad me into voting for ShyGuy first, presumably so that ShyGuy will vote for me instead of him.)

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[to: BlackNMild]
No more games. I know you're planning on voting for me. Please, don't. Even if you succeeded in getting me voted off, shyguy would kill you, kirby would be left standing, and the townies would win. And neither of us want that.

I hope you'll agree that only one strategy makes any sense now: we both need to vote for kirby.

Then, once he's taken care of, I'll use my mafia powers to kill shyguy, and shyguy will use his vigilante powers to kill either me or you.

This way, we'll both have a 50/50 shot at winning. Which is better than nothing.

BlackNMild doesn't like my plan, I die.

If kirby was voted off, I was planning on pming ShyGuy with copies of the pms I sent to mario where I tried desperatley to save Shy.

The end.  

[-Day THREE-]

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NWR Forums Discord / RE: Mafia II: Dead Like Me

« on: February 27, 2006, 12:08:08 AM »

The story continues....

-Day THREE-

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[to: UncleBob]
Judge - Why did you vote for vudu the other night?

Your friend, Wandering

(a hunch, he says.)

Uh-oh. No real reasoning. could be a kaplan ruse, thought I. But, as the only person who voted for vudu, he was my best bet at that point.

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I don't trust hunches. Or you.

But in this case, I think you may have been right. And it's based on more than a hunch, though not much more.

If you want to move on him, I'll back you up. More to the point, I have an idea for how we can proceed. But I'd need your help. I'll explain if you're interested. Are you? Or do you have someone who you think is a more likely canidate?

(Bob notes in good cheer that I'm awfully happy to join forces with him. But at least I didn't use a fake name. He's still leaning towards vudu personally.)

I made the move:

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Well. Then. We both agree vudu is probably a mobster.

Here's what I want you to do, if you're willing: start making the case to other people in pms.

Pick 6 or 7 people you think you can trust. (You'll probably wind up pming a mobster. That's fine. Your anti-vudu stance is already public, and this message will reach people who aren't mobsters. This isn't very high-risk.) Tell the people this, in your own words:

"I'm pretty sure vudu is a mobster. That's why I voted for him last night.

He started the kill-tvman bandwagon on the first day, than jumped off again after TVman's fate was sealed. He started the kill cyberrat bandwagon the second day...that time he stayed on, probably because he realised cyberrat was a member of the opposing mafia.

I'm going to vote for him again tonight. Join me if you agree."

I'll be contacting people too.

Don't tell em I sent ya.

(Meanwhile, Vudu explains he's the rat. But my life is not in danger, not planning on telling anyone who I am or killing me himself. He's been playing the game as if he were members of 2 seperate mafias. If I die, I'd have to go on to win the game by myself.)

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[to: vudu]

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if you haven't already figured it out, I'm the Rat.

Well, obviously.

I take it icecold named you as his successor? What did you tell him that made him think you weren't the rat?

This is a game of lies, but if you wanted to kill me I think you'd either be open about or not say anything. But your stance makes things harder on me. Surely you don't mean you aren't planning on winning? Surely you are planning on killing me, eventually?

(vudu explains if it comes down to just me and him, he'd be forced to kill me, but didn't think it would come to that. Besides, bigger thins to worry about: Bill is "on a war path", and thinks the vigilante is in their group. Vudu then asks if I think the vigilante should be killed if discovered, or if it would be better to wait because of Lavender.)

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[to: vudu]
Listen. I don't feel comfortable working with you anymore. I don't know if that's the right thing or not. But it's better than pretending to be on your side when I'm not. My ultimate goal here, as is yours, is to be the last man standing.

I won't tell anyone you're the rat.

Good luck.

(Vudu says fine, but still not planning on killing me, and it only makes sense to share information: who's the vigilante/lavender, etc.)

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[to: vudu]
Fair enough. I won't hide stuff like that from you.

(Vudu then shares his theory - If I die, vudu loses. Once I'm gone everyone knows the last reggie is the rat. Pale could be brought back by Lavender and then he'd know who all the mafia were. Also, if the rat dies, I lose. Vudu could then be brought back and know who all the mafia were. Then vudu asks, if pale is brought back, could I come to him as the captain/vigilante/townie? That way, he might share information with me, but be relectant to share with the next person who comes to him. If I didn't, vudu says, he'd die and I'd have to go it alone. That'd be bad for me because alone, I have to kill everyone but one person, but together, we could kill everyone but 2 people.)

At this point, I knew I had to kill vudu in order to win, and my best shot of killing vudu was to get the town against him. Therefore, I had no real intention of helping him kill townies.

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[to: vudu]
An interesting point. About you not being to kill me, I mean.

I've come up with some of my own strategies for what to do when Lavender does his thing. I'm afraid I don't want to share them with you, though, because you might be the person I'll have to contend with. I'll take your suggestion about what to do if pale comes back into consideration.

AS per my promise of not holding back, I should tell you I suspect mario of being the vigilante? Agree?

Oh, and as suicidal as this may be, I still don't consider us a "team".

Good luck with your efforts.

I figured mario pmed everybody on the second night so that he could dissipate suspicion of being the vigilante away from himself: when he voted, he was a loner against pale. When he pmed everybody, I thought he was trying to make everyone think that he had given the idea to kill pale to the vigilante, even though he was really the vigilante all along. As it turns out, of course, there was no ruse, and he probably had just given the idea to deg.

(Vudu says he was planning on killing mario tomorrow morning - "I believe we get to kill someone tomorrow morning, right?" Then says he'd like to hear my strategies for dealing with the captain - once the game's over if not right then.)

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[to:vudu]
I look forward to sharing everything with you once the game ends, my dear enemy.

Oh, I believe you get to kill someone tonight/tomorrow morning, yes. You need to give a name to pryo before the day begins tomorrow (and it begins pretty early). Probably best to do it before you go to sleep tonight. I was a surrogate mob boss last time for a brief while, if you recall. I fell asleep watching the Daily Show and woke up around 7:00am, and it was too late for me to make a kill.

(vudu says he'll prolly kill mario unless I have a better suggestion)

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[to: mario]
Well, you were spot on last night.

Listen, someone pointed out to me: vudu's been pretty suspicious. And I agree with them.

What do you think?

(mario says he doesn't know, vudu's on his suspicions list, but has nothing hard on him. Says he needs to do some more research. He also suspects ShyGuy after he accused mario of being mafia. He also suspected BlackNMild as MysticGohan. I agreed with everyone on that list.)

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[to: mario]
I completely agree with everyone on your list.

ShyGuy's a hard one to read - all his accusations are done in a kind of over-the-top humorous way, and I don't remember him ever voting. I defintetley think he's not just a townie - but I'm not 100% certain he's a mobster, either.

MysticGohan is probably number 2 on my suspect list.

vudu's my number one. For whatever reason. I guess I don't have anything hard on him, either though. Except of course his bandwagoning. I'd vote for him, but then I'd be bandwagoning. I'm kind of hoping unclebob, who voted for him last time for whatever reason (also suspicious...I really can't read the guy at all) will take the initiative.

Good luck with your research, whatever that may entail.

(meanwhile, MysticGohan walks into the cheezerium, and I give him some sheep cheese.)

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[to: MysticGohan]
Inside the sheep cheese you find a rolled up note:

"Mystic, I'm glad you've come. Do you trust vudu? I've gotten this note from someone who suspects him. But, ah...
I'm not sure he's right and I don't want to stick my neck out. Did you get a note about vudu, too?

Actually, I was wondering, might you have someone else you suspect instead? You're one of the few people I trust around here.

your friend, Wandering"

At this point, I suspected Mystic Gohan was a kaplan. I hoped he would share the note with vudu and that vudu would share with me, thus confirming my suspicions.

(Mystic agrees that vudu is suspicious. Later that eve, he comes to me asking about going after mario, and, in so doing, pretty much confirming that he was mafia.)

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[to: MysticGohan]
Hmm.

On the one hand, Mario's vote change was suspicious. On the other hand, Pale did turn out to be a mafia member. On the other other hand, Mario only changed his vote after cyberrat's death was a sure thing...which means mario's vote very well could've been a mafia ruse.

...Yes. That does seem likely.

But voting for him may be a bad move.

I'm still undecided. If you want to go for it, fine, but I can't guarantee I'll back you up at this point.

(mystic asks if anyone might be willing to take a chance on mario.)

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don't know.

maybe you could try stabby? He seems to have a death wish

(Mario starts the ShyGuy bandwagon. Gohan and BlackNMild join.)

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[to: mario]
mario! gohan contacted me about teaming up against you earlier. which means shyguy isn't a part of the mafia!

(mario says whoops, says if I vote for vudu, he might change his.)

(I try to change my vote - but the polls close. Mario sends me an "Oh no!" And says he hopes he survives so we can plan stuff tomorrow.)

I hoped he'd survive as well. I was right not only about ShyGuy not being mafia but also about him having a role. Mario trusted me now.

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[to: mario]
of course when the vote is actually contentious pryo has to close it on time.

actually, early

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[to: mario]
If you happen to know who the vigilante is, tonight would be an excellent night to get vudu.....

(mario says he doesn't, but left a hint. Says he's heard the night actions have already gone down and that they would cause massive mayhem tomorrow.)

Excellent, thought I. Mario the vigilante had already sent in his mark for vudu, and now was trying to throw me off the trail by responding to my suggestion with a public 'hint' so that I would't think he was the vigilante.

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[to: mario]

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Though i'm hearing they've already made a decision, and also that that tomorrow will cause massive mayhem.

Sounds like the work of CAPTAIN LAVENDER.....

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[to: vudu]
you asked me for a better suggestion, right?

I've got one for you: kill me tonight instead of mario.

What? Me guilty? Nah...

(vudu asks why I want to die and why he would want to kill me. After all, I'm the only thing that's stopping the captain from bringing back pale.)

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It was just revealed that there is no captain.

You should kill me because I'm playing hardball. I consider you my enemy and if you don't kill me tonight I will ensure your demise.

But do what you want.

(actually, no, he had pmed pryo, there was still a captain.)

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[to: vudu]
oh. Ah.

I still reccommend that you kill me, though.

But I suppose you're taking a risk either way.

(If either of us die, the reggies lose. My best bet is workin with him. Yadda yadda yadda.)

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[to: vudu]
Well, let's see what happens. I have my own ideas about how to win. I've said my peace. I couldn't in good consciense pretend to be on your side when I really wasn't.

The question to you is: what do you consider more risky, me being your enemy, or the captain lavender factor?

Now, obviously, I can't kill you. And, as per our agreement, I still won't tell people that you're the rat, and I still will keep you informed about who I think is playing various roles. But that doesn't mean I'm not a threat. Cause I am.

...well, I think I am.

I report, you decide!

By the way, as per our agreement:

I've heard word that mario may not be the vigilante.

And I've heard word that you may be a mafia member.

(vudu sees mario's hint and speculates death is in his near future.)

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Hey, looks like I'm going to die tonight and you'll be left in charge.

I'll reiterate that I'm not so sure if mario's the vigilante. But we'll see what happens.

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No hard feelings. Go ahead and kick some butt.

God, I hope not. The no hard feelings bit, I mean.

I hate playing this game.

But I'm also hopelessly addicted to it and lost in it.

Well. Goodnight.

(meanwhile, I hear word from unclebob that he was at work and couldn't do anything that day. Says he has a hunch he'll be killed that night. Says he's heard Bill is the informant.)

His willingness to share these things makes me trust a little more.
That's fine, hope you make it to see tomorrow.

I had heard word of Bill's involvement, but didn't know he was the informant. Interesting. Thanks for the info.

Oh, hey, if you happen to know who the vigilante is, tonight'd be a good night to get vudu.....

unclebob was actually my second choice for vigilante after mario. His behavior, at least, led me to suspect he had some kind of role.

-Day FOUR-

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[to: UncleBob from: Big_Brother]
Do not believe the lies!

Mystic Gohan is NOT a mafia member!

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[to: stevey from: Big_Brother]
Do NOT belive the lies!

MysticGohan is NOT a mafia member!

Trust Big_Brother.

Always.

Like Coca-Cola.

(Unclebob asks Big_Brother if he's trying to get information out of him)

Information? Does he have some? Is this a sign he's a kaplan?

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[to: UncleBob from: Big_brother]
No.

I have all the info.

On all the players.

Already.

That includes you, UncleBob.

(UncleBob thinks Big_Brother knows less than he thinks he knows.)

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[to: UncleBob from: Big_Brother]
I think you'd be surprised.

I got a letter from vudu. It read:

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[from: vudu]
Word on the street is your cheese contains more than just dairy products, if you get my drift.

Bingo.

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[to: vudu]
Word on the street is you just revealed the identity of one of your mafia members to me. Which was my plan all along.

I told you to kill me last night.

Sorry about this.

(vudu raises the possibility that it was shared with him by a non kaplan. Also, he's the closest thing I have to a friend in this game, yadda yadda yadda.)

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[to: vudu]
Listen, I feel terrible that I am essentially rejecting your offer of friendship. But your plan has one, fatal flaw: If I join up with you, that'd be great for you... but, for me, I'd have a very low chance of winning.

Oh, and:

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Also--and I don't want to seem like I'm clutching at straws here--you realize there's always the distinct possibility that whoever you PMed and then PMed me (A) isn't a Kaplan and doesn't know I am either, or (B) told someone else who then told me (the second person may or may not be a Kaplan; doesn't matter in this case).

yeah, you're right about that. I guess I don't really know anything for certain.

(vudu points a low chance of winning > no chance of winning. Also, do I have any idea who big brother was?)

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[to: vudu]
I think I've already said this: I have a plan for dealing with lavender's ressurrection.

It's a risky plan, but, I think it's a better plan than hoping you get killed by the vigilante at the very last minute. Or hoping I die and then get ressurected.

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Besides, isn't winning the game as a dead mafia member better than losing the game as a dead mafia member?

Huh? How would I win if I'm dead? If you win, the reggies woudn't have won. You're the rat. You aren't a real reggie or a kaplan. But I guess that's just arguing semantics. The point is: I want to be alive at the end of the game.

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Also, do you have any idea who Big_Brother is?

Hard to say who he is or even what he's trying to accomplish. Mabye he's an alternate persona of "the informant"?

I'd be interested in hearing if vudu suspected I was big brother at that point...

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[to: unclebob]
Hey, today'd be a really good day to implement that plan I came up with yesterday. You remember it? Are you game?

There's something like 4 mafia members and 6 townies left. We need to work hard to ensure a legitimate kill tonight.

(before he moves on vudu, why do I think he's mafia?)

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[to: UncleBob]
You were willing to vote on him, but aren't willing to send pms?

I guess I don't have much to give you other than the reasoning I gave you in my other pm...

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Tell the people this, in your own words:

"I'm pretty sure vudu is a mobster. That's why I voted for him last night.

He started the kill-tvman bandwagon on the first day, than jumped off again after TVman's fate was sealed. He started the kill cyberrat bandwagon the second day...that time he stayed on, probably because he realised cyberrat was a member of the opposing mafia.

I'm going to vote for him again tonight. Join me if you agree."

But if I'm wrong about this I'll eat my hat. I'm convinced. As was Mario (though he was wrong about shyguy. I was right about him though...)

Mabye it's just a hunch, but it's a correct one. Trust me.

But, if you have someone better...?

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[to: UncleBob]
dang it, bob, if you're not with me on this we're all screwed.

I'll offer you 2 incentives:

1. If you pm, like, 4 or 5 people telling them you're voting for vudu tonight - you don't even have to give any kind of explanation, I don't think - I'll make the first vote against him. After you do the pms.

2. If vudu turns out not to be a mobster, I want you to start a bandwagon against me the next day.

vudu is our best lead right now, we need to act on this.

So. You in now?

(Bob says he's sent a few pms already)

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[to: UncleBob]
Really? Fantastic. Who've you sent them to?

(some people he trusts, some people he doesn't.)

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[to: UncleBob]
Fine. Could you at least send me a copy of what you sent out?

(No response.)

Uh-oh. Time for plan b...

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[to: stabby]Hey, did you get a note from unclebob about vudu?

(No. what did it say?)

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Just that he suspects vudu and is planning on voting for him. But he wants me to vote on him first.

When I pmed him back, he said he was telling a bunch of people, so I thought it'd be okay to just get a second opinion. Interesting that he didn't pm you, though.

I'm kind of suspicious. I think he might be trying to set me up somehow.

But...vudu has been #1 on my suspects list for quite a while. What do you think?

At this point I knew I was giving Bob's name away to people who might then try to kill him. But if he wasn't forthcoming with me, then, well...

(Stabby suggests Unclebob could be testing me to see if I'm a potential bandwagonner against his boss. If I say I suspect vudu, I could die. But at least I would've gotten the word out through stab. The bad thing is that I'd be dead. Go with my gut feeling.)

So stabby probably wasn't mafia after all. That's good to know.

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[to: stabby]
hmm, thanks.

I think I'm going to go ahead and go for it.

(Bob could be mafia, or just a townie looking for a parter, says stab. WE'll see how it unfolds.)

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[to: stevey]
stevey, did unclebob send you a message about vudu, too?

(No. What did it say?)

(Meanwhile, MysticGohan tries to convince me to help him start a bandwagon on Deguello.)

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[to: MysticGohan]
I think Deguello is a good bet. BUT, it's too early for me to feel comfortable voting right now. Or even to feel comfortable making up my mind about who to vote for.

I'll let you know when I decide who to vote for.

(I tell Deguello that the mafia are after him, and I think he's innocent, and he should vote for vudu.)

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[to: MysticGohan]
I've made my decision. UncleBob convinced me. Vudu is going down.

Join me or not, your decision.

Now I'm actively trying to get bob killed instead of me...

(I/Iwata start the kill vudu bandwagon.)

(what's the reasoning? Asks MysticGohan. Wants something concrete.)

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[to:MysticGohan]
well, he's been suspicious the whole game. But if you want something concrete, how about that time he started the kill-tvman bandwagon and then stepped out of it once tvman's fate was sealed?

(Good point! But bib_brother thinks he's innocent.)

It wasn't a very good point. MysticGohan was way too eager to appear suspicious of vudu. Also, were people really thinking big_brother was on the side of good? I guessed annonymous authoritarian voices could really work a little too well...

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[to: MysticGohan]
It has been speculated that big_brother is in league with the mobsters.
I'm not sure, though.

(perhaps he's working with vudu and deguello, speculates gohan. Also, there's the question of why kirby hasn't posted.)

So kirby isn't mafia. Good to know.

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[to: stevey]
That he suspects vudu.

The vudu bandwagon is already leaving the station, though. Hop aboard!

(Stevey then says he'll pm Iwata. He sends several hilarious pms to Iwata that I'll share if he gives permission, and Iwata urges him to vote for vudu. He doesn't.)

(The unclebob situation explodes while I'm away. Unclebob votes on me. "Don't panic. It's time to zig and see if someone zags." Stabby pms me "WE WERE RIGHT!!!", before revealing his unclebob is mafia theory to the public. People discover I've been telling stabby and bob 2 different things. I come back. I try to save face.)

If you're wondering why I didn't go along with stabby's speculation that unclebob was full of it, btw, it's because I couldn't. I didn't think UncleBob was mafia, and couldn't have anyone else thinking that, either. If the mafia thought they could kill me for bandwagoning and then pin it on UncleBob, they would.

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[to: stabby]
STABBY! You just killed us all. Arrg, talk to me before you go and do something like that.

(Stabby apologizes.)

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[to: Stabby]
It's my fault for not being there.

And for not being forthcoming with you about what was going on with me and bob.

We'll see what happens.

(Vudu pms me saying the argument we're having is pretty funny considering we both know we're mafia.)

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[to: vudu]
I'm enjoying it

You're harder to kill than I thought, vudu....

(I'm just lucky vudu's smart enough not to want to kill me back.)

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[to: vudu]
And you're just lucky pryo closed the stupid poll 30 minutes early the other night....

(MysticGohan asks me to change my vote to Deguello. Thinks stevey's on to something.)

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[to: stevey from: Iwata]
Stevey, Iwata here. I have a mission for you. You need to change your vote to vudu.

Everything depends on you. The fate of Nintendo, and the world, rests in your hands.

Sincerely,

Iwata Satoru (Satoru Iwata), president, Nintendo. Co. Ltd.

(meanwhile, stevey had responded to Big_Brother's earlier inquiry by regecting coke and touting pepsi instead.)

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[to: stevey from: Big_Brother]
Do not believe Pepsi's lies.

Coke is more delicious than Pepsi.

Big_Brother is pleased with your support of the elimination of deguello instead of vudu.

(Needless to say, that night vudu was not eliminated.)      

[-Day ONE-]

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NWR Forums Discord / RE:Mafia II: Dead Like Me

« on: February 26, 2006, 09:32:46 PM »

As per mario's request....

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I think an interesting idea would be for people to jot down all their thoughts and plans in notepad or something and paste it here after the game's over, would be interesting to see all the different strategies going on and who was right about what, who changed their minds about what, etc.

DIARY OF A MOBSTER:

-Day ONE-

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[to: IceCold]
I humbly await your instructions.

Long live the reggielution!

Your loyal servant, Wandering

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[to: The Detective]
You find a note stuck to the gum on your shoe:

"If you're really the detective, here's a 3 step plan to succeess:

1. Forget this detective account. That was just a joke.

2. Make another detective account, call it "The REAL detective". Make it in a public library. In the next town over.

3. Share everything with us!

Just a suggestion.

Your friend, Wandering"

(vudu asked why why we were voting for tvman, guessed that he was the cop, asked if I'd been in contact with IceCold, asked if we had a strategy.)

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[to: vudu]
I contacted icecold for orders earlier today, he didn't reply.

I don't know about tvman, but I think that, when in doubt, going with the flow is generally the best strategy.

I think it would be wise if the 4 of us started having aim-style real-time discussions to hash out a strategy. Cause, I don't think we really have a strategy at this point.

(IceCold contacted me about contact information, how we should discuss things, and wheter I had been in contact with animecyberat)

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[to: IceCold]
I think it would be good if the four of us chatted together in real-time, say, once every mafia-day.

My email and MSN is censored and my aim is censored.

Just about anytime's good for me.

Oh, no, cyberrat didn't contact me at all. His voting for me might've been a ruse. Or maybe he's just completley cluless.

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[to: IceCold]
Oh, 3 more things I forgot:

1. I'm not sure I was clear in my last pm. Since I'm not constantly available, I think it'd be best if most communications were done with pms. Or email's fine too. (I don't see any reason to use email over pms, personally, but whatever you guys want.) BUT, I really think we should schedule an msn (or aim) chat session at a specific time once a day, as there are a million things to discuss (whom we suspect, who it would be best to vote for, etc, etc) and I think it would be easier to do that over chat.

2. vudu pmed me once yesterday. He guessed, correctly, that TVman was the cop.

3. Our biggest threat right now is the rat (the role, not cyberrat. you know what I mean.) Even with the cop gone. He wants to see us all killed and knows who every mafia member is. The biggest danger is that he could try and direct the other team into taking us out. He could also try and confer with players privatley in an attempt to sway people to vote against us.

...don't tell the other 2 henchmen that! Don't want the rat getting ideas.

-Wandering

...Oh, wait a minute. About the email thing. With email it'd be easy to just forward all (most) communications to all members of the mafia. That might make things a lot easier. Email probably would be better.

- Day TWO-

(animecyberrat, after having voted for me on day one, hints at my mafia connections)

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[to: animecyberat]
Any reason in particular you're trying to have me killed?

(vudu explains he had voted for animecyberat)

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[to: vudu]
Alright, I'll start sending my pms to both of you guys, too.

vudu, earlier I contacted icecold and suggested we should set up a time for an msn chat. I think it'd be good to hash out ideas together, what do you think?

also vudu, even though I think in this case you made the right decision, I think you REALLY shouldn't condemn one of our own to death (which is basically what you just did) without running it past us, or at least our godfather.

I'm not sure cyberrat even knows how to check pms. I sent him one earlier ("So. Is there a reason you're trying to get me killed?", asked I.)

...I can use a ruse to get him to check them ("hey did you get this PM I sent you? Here's how you check PMs...", in non-mafia thread). Should I? It would suck if he checked, and then posted "Hey I got this message that says me, vudu, and icecold are members of the Reggie mafia, what does that mean?"

-Wandering

cc: IceCold

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[to: vudu]
Oh, just one more thing, should we be doing this in email? It might be easier. Mine is *censored*

IceCold already gave me yours and his.

cc: IceCold

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[to: vudu]
alright, I'm going to switch over to conversing with email to you guys, if that's alright. That'll make it much easier to forward. Also, I've almost reached the stupid PM message limit.

cc: IceCold

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[to: vudu cc: IceCold subject: mafia]
"I'm not trying to kill one of my own. Well, maybe I am. Like I said, he's a liability. I'm a little worried that he's going to give us away.

I'm planning on removing my vote later."

Doesn't matter. He's dead at this point unless we work, hard, to change the tide. And that would be very risky.

"*vudu says he's unavailable at such and such a time for such and such a reason*"

Irony of ironies, I probably won't be available tonight from *this time to that time*. That may change - I'll contact you guys if it does. Otherwise, I'm available most anytime for other days. Would *** be good tomorrow? That's around when things start happening. Oh, forgot to tell you, this email is my MSN account name as well.

"I don't really have much experience with MSN even though I have it. It's not possible for other people to see we're in a private chat, is it?"

I don't have much experience with it either. But I doubt it. Either way, we should be able to see for ourselves once we start using it.

Oh, one more thing. You guys thinking ShyGuy is a Kaplanite? Look at these quotes:

"I think Vudu's first instincts were right. Vote TVman"

I think most people were treating that vote like a wild guess. But not ShyGuy. Suspicious.

"Hmmm, Vudu is starting another bandwagon. Does this seem like Mafia activity to anybody?"

Also suspicious. He just sounds like a mafia member, doesn't he? Or is it just me?

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[to: vudu cc: IceCold subject: Re: Mafia]

Right, right, you said that earlier. Sorry. Would *** be a good time? For chatting, I mean?

Though, honestly, messaging seems to be working just fine. Chatting might be unnecessary.

Oh, in regards to your other email about cyberrat, yes, if he's going down, we should probably vote for him. Just before polls close, though. There's a good chance cyberrat will try to rat us out with his dying breath if he sees us turning on him. Me and icecold, I mean.

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[to: IceCold subject: godfather]
Godfather,

Here's one message I'm not forwarding to vudu.

If animecyberrat dies tonight and it's revealed that he's the rat, that's fantastic. But if it's revealed that he wasn't the rat, then that's another matter. Vudu has already essentially caused animecyberrat's death, without consulting us first. If animecyberrat isn't the rat, vudu is.

So, when voting closes, if animecyberrat is revealed as having not been the rat, you should use your godfather powers to kill vudu tonight. Otherwise, by thursday it could already be too late -  vudu could manipulate votes to ensure the death of one of us the next day, and then orchestrate the killing of our last remaining member with his other mafia the next night.

If vudu is the rat. If animecyberrat isn't.

Just a suggestion.

-Wandering

P.S. Is this email thing working out for you? I noticed in one of your pms you said you weren't on msn much, did you mean to chat, or were you referring to email too? Cause I can switch back to using PGC PMs if you'd prefer.

(IceCold suggests we should probably let animecyberrat go, and that either me or IceCold should vote for him, but not both, so that  we can maintain a policy of staggering our votes, which we couldn't do in this case because we feared an early vote for animecyberrat might lead him to rat us out. Also says that he suspects ShyGuy.)

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[to: IceCold cc: vudu subject: RE: RE: RE: mafia]
If only one of the 2 of us is going to vote, you should, IceCold. I voted yesterday, and you didn't, if I recall.

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[to: IceCold cc: vudu subject: mafia again]
Actually, sorry, scratch what I just said. the rat has implicated me. I need to vote for him. I'm thinking now. This puts me at risk, but I think IceCold should be okay. Then, IceCold can put in his vote a few minutes before the polls close.

Thoughts?

(meanwhile, animecyberrat explains he didn't understand the voting and thought we were just playing a game)

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we are just playing a game.

Do you understand what your role is? Did you confirm your role with pryopism? Do you understand that you aren't supposed to give away this role?

Do you understand that implicating both me and vudu as being in league with you is a very bad idea?

(animecyberrat explains he didn't know we were on the same team until I pmed him)

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[to: animecyberrat]
Listen to me. NOTHING I can do would help you. You have too many votes against you. You won't be apart of this game after tonight.

So that people don't suspect me I NEED to vote for you. DO NOT tell others players about my role. DO NOT hint that there is any relationship between me and you or between you and vudu or anyone else. DO NOT tell people you thought we were friends. DO NOT share what I am telling you now with ANYONE. Do you understand that?

(I'm going to forward this note and my previous one to the other 2 members.)

(animecyberrat explains that in the game, his character had sent a voicemail to me explaining he had slept with TVman's wife)

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[to: animecyberrat]
In the game, come to my cheezerium. Order some cheese. Don't tell em I sent ya.

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[to: vudu, IceCold]

*I reprint the notes I sent to animecyberrat*

He says he's cool with it. I've voted for him. You should, too icecold. Later, though. We need to be able to use the fact that various people didn't vote for him tomorrow.

(around this time we chatted on msn. From memory: We played with the idea that it might be better to keep the vigilante and possibly the kaplans alive because of lavender, but decided against it. Vudu noted that, is animecyberrat wasn't the rat, me and him would both deny it. We tossed names around: was Pale mafia? ShyGuy? UncleBob? Vudu noted that, with only 3 of us, we needed to do a better job of protecting ourselves. "No leaving our members to die anymore?" asked I. Also, I suggested a strategy: we should pm various people who voted for animerat, pointing out to them the 5 or so people who didn't.)

(meanwhile, mario pms a bunch of people telling them he suspects pale.)

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[to: mario]
arg, this is ridiculusly last minute. What part of

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Hahah appletini. What a final drink to have.

But seriously? Ty is gone already?

makes you think he's a mobster?

(the part about how he goes on about how 'ty's really gone?' even though that was just explained multiple times in pryo's preceding paragraph, says mario)

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[to: mario]
Ah, okay, I see what you're saying now. Good spot. Too late for me to feel comfortable changing my vote today, but tomorrow's just a day away...

(meanwhile, vudu notes anime is a goner, says he thinks ShyGuy is suspicious, and thinks the same of mario, who's been "strangely quiet")

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[to: vudu cc: IceCold subject: RE: mafia]
If cyberrat is the rat, and I've become pretty convinced that he is, then the mafia members have given themselves away.

unclebob voted for vudu. shyguy didn't vote. Pale didn't vote. Those are my 3 picks for most likely.

Kirby and Dasmos didn't participate. They're my 4th and 5th most likelys.

Mario originally voted for cyberrat but then changed his vote to pale. He told me in a pm he thinks pale's posts, especially his first in the new thread, have been suspicious (I told him this was ridiculusly last minute and asked him what about pale's appletini comment he found suspicious.) Strangely enough, I believe mario. Or at least, I believe he's not a mobster. He's my 6th most likely.

...wait. pale just voted for the rat. so did the rat.

I have some ideas I want to share with you guys when/if we find out the rat was the rat. Which should be in a few minutes.

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[to: IceCold subject: Oh god - mafia]
Vudu is the rat. Man, this sucks.

It was so obvious, too. Remember when he said: "I wasn't trying to get rid of one of my own. Well, maybe I was. Like I said, he was a liability." (from memory, I deleted the original pm). Too defensive. Then, in msn, he made a comment about the difficulty of figuiring out who the mobsters were, even though I pointed out earlier who they were was obvious if cyberrat was the rat. He brought up the possibility that either me or him was the rat, as well. Then denied he was the rat.

I again stongly reccommend killing him, tonight, with your mafia powers.

Or maybe I could try and sway public opinion against him tomorrow? If he doesn't get the other mafia to kill me, tonight, that is.

This situation's made more complicated by the fact that only me and vudu know the truth.

One thing's for certain, though: that plan we had, about contacting people who voted for the rat, vudu can't carry that out. Instead, you should. It might be best if you just told vudu the plan was cancelled and then went through with it anyway. It might be better if the plan actually was cancelled.

ShyGuy and Unclebob and everyone who didn't vote needs to be looked at in a different light now. The kaplanites didn't think cyberrat was one of their own.They did think vudu was one of their own. This changes everything: shyguy and bob going against vudu could've been a ruse. Or maybe they figured out he was the rat. Or maybe they aren't mobsters. Maybe some of the countless people who voted on the rat are mobsters instead.

Yeah, this sucks.

neverously yours,
wandering

p.s. there's one other possibility: the rat character doesn't exist, and pryo made him up so that the mafia would destroy themselves. Wouldn't that be the worst thing of all? Well. I guess I'll hear from you tomorrow.

p.p.s. to the other people who are reading this email, I'm talking about a game on the internet, found here: http://www.planetgamecube.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=35&threadid=15097 Nothing to be concerned about.

(Not only did IceCold not kill vudu, he made him godfather. Vudu sent him an in-character note explaining how, even though he was the rat, he never betrayed IceCold. And that his death wouldn't go unpunished. And that he would paint the town red with the blood of townies and kaplans alike. Of course, I didn't know this at the time.)  

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NWR Forums Discord / RE: Mafia II: Dead Like Me

« on: February 26, 2006, 07:45:41 PM »

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And that was to make sure that nobody won.

One thing I don't understand: how did you know kirby wasn't going to have won? Or, for that matter, ShyGuy? You didn't have a kill that night. I would've guessed ShyGuy and kirby would've been left standing at the end

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well I have to say it didnt go how I expected it, I ws trying to get wandering killed off early on, and then I got killed. But I wanted to die early because I didnt want to be a part of the reggie mafia. I am THE RAT and I so wanted to be the rat in this game. That woudl haev worked out better for me. but then again nobody cares what i think so....

Yeah, but you weren't the rat and so what you were doing was pointless and annoying.


...well, actually though, you bring up a good point. Why have a 'rat' role at all, when players can choose to betray their teammates anyway just to ensure they get all the power and fame?

...not that that is a good strategy at all, mind you.

[vudu]

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NWR Forums Discord / RE: MAFIA III: Operation Revolucion! (Ninjas vs Pirates)

« on: February 26, 2006, 07:38:03 PM »

Well. You don't waste any time. Awesome. I'm in.

By the way, might I humbly suggest you pick the roles with the help of a random number generator or a d20 or names in a hat or something? So we don't have to put up with stuff like:

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Originally posted by: vudu
Regardless, I'm pretty sure I know one person who is certainly mafia. Deguello. Here are my reason: Pyro didn't pick our positions randomly--he chose them for us.

There were four people who survived the original game--Bill, Pale, IceCold and TVman. Bill's not playing this game. TVman turned out to be the cop. Pale and IceCold were Godfathers. He gave all the best positions to the people who won the last game. Mario, a forum favorite, was made the captain. Ty (a mod) was given the position of Freemason. None of Pyro's favorites were made townies.

I'm pretty sure I know who the vigilante is and it's not Deguello.

This means that Deguello (also a mod) is probably in one of the two mafias. It's possible that he's even the Rat. (Although, since this is his first time playing the game Pyro might not have trusted him with such an important position, "the star of the show" as he referred to the character.)

[BlackNMild]

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NWR Forums Discord / RE:Mafia II: Endgame

« on: February 26, 2006, 07:32:55 PM »

Fantastic game everyone.

It seems like I'm fated not to kill anyone in this game. In both games I came close to getting godfather powers, only to be killed before I could use them. Which is okay by me, that way people hate me less at the end.

Still, sorry to everyone I lied to. Mafia/Werewolf always make me feel a little sick because it doesn't just require bluffing... to win you have to lie, viscously. And pretend to be on other people's sides when you aren't. And all that. The game's taught me what it must feel like to be head of a large corporation.

Oh, great job as always, pryo. Thanks for hosting.

Now, when's the next one? edit: oh. Next monday. Got it.

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild
Rule #1) The dead cannot speak about the living at all
1a) The dead cannot speak(or hint) the names of anyone living.
1b) The dead cannot speak(or hint) the roles of anyone living.

Rule #2) If you are dead you are not to dicuss gaming strategies with the living
2a) You cannot PM/IM the living with new information


feel free to add on to this

rule 3: if someone dead or anonymous pms you about the game, report to pryo.

Though I hope we can find some way to still allow dummy accounts next time. I rather enjoyed playing Iwata-san, and of course Big_Brother, everyone's favorite incompetent kaplan advocate.

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Awesome ending, though I think it would have been funnier if Kirby won, or died in a more hilarious way, and it needed more explosions.

If the polls had closed later, I was going to make up a story about voting for kirby because he was in a brain-dead coma and had given me a long letter begging me to kill him if that ever happened to him.

But I liked the Hefty bag suicide just as well.  

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NWR Forums Discord / RE:Mafia II: Dead Like Me

« on: February 26, 2006, 01:43:00 PM »

Well, here's what I sent to BlackNMild. See if you can find a flaw in my plan that I'd missed:

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No more games. I know you're planning on voting for me. Please, don't. Even if you succeeded in getting me voted off, shyguy would kill you, kirby would be left standing, and the townies would win. And neither of us want that.

I hope you'll agree that only one strategy makes any sense now: we both need to vote for kirby.

Then, once he's taken care of, I'll use my mafia powers to kill shyguy, and shyguy will use his vigilante powers to kill either me or you.

This way, we'll both have a 50/50 shot at winning. Which is better than nothing.

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NWR Forums Discord / RE: Mafia II: Dead Like Me

« on: February 26, 2006, 01:23:49 PM »

Bah. What the hell were you thinking, BlackNMild?

edit: also, I object to early poll closing time.

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General Gaming / RE: The Blue-Ray/HD-DVD DVI standard and how it could really screw the PS3.

« on: February 26, 2006, 12:49:10 PM »

I'd like to hope HDTV fails. The movie industry is betting that everyone will "need" higher resolutions, so they think they can get away with charging ridiculously high prices, and  forcing new technologies on us that try to prevent users from copying their media (so they have to buy new stuff when their old stuff breaks), while doing nothing to combat piracy. It's all bulls**t.

I hope hollywood collapses and everyone starts watching independently-created content over the internet.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: New Gameboy

« on: February 26, 2006, 12:40:08 PM »

What I meant was, the portable gamecube could feature a 3-d screen. Like those Sharp 3d monitors. So new games would be in 3d.  

[Reggie]

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NWR Forums Discord / RE: Mafia II: Endgame

« on: February 26, 2006, 12:14:06 PM »

Wandering sighed as he looked his empty cheezerium. He knew what he had to do. He hung a new sign on the old door:

"Reggie, Kaplan, vigilante, and townie, you're all invited to the cheezerium for one last, free meal."

And then he voted.

VOTE KIRBY  

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NWR Forums Discord / PSP > DS

« on: February 26, 2006, 03:30:15 AM »

Look at these amazing graphics!!!!

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General Chat / RE:Official Avatar Discussion

« on: February 26, 2006, 02:06:46 AM »

I hate your avatar forever, Dasmos.

If I didn't want to kill your wife so much right now I'd give you a long rant about how horrible your avatar instead of going to an e-meter session to work through my issues.

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General Gaming / RE: PS3 Facing Delays - 2007?

« on: February 26, 2006, 12:52:16 AM »

Oh, Sony is denying the report, as well.....

I still think the system will be delayed and ridiculously expensive, though...

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TalkBack / RE: Indie Studio Developing Rev Games

« on: February 26, 2006, 12:34:35 AM »

Oh. Nevermind, then. Nintendo sucks.