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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Official Sales Thread

« on: February 01, 2016, 09:38:03 AM »

Any word yet on how Minecraft for Wii U is doing sales wise? I get my internet hooked up at the house tomorrow and am seriously thinking of getting it just to give my PS4 a break.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Your guess is as good as mine EDITION)

« on: February 01, 2016, 09:37:09 AM »

Why not go all the way down to CD sized cases? Nobody had a hard time buying CD's when they were new, or cassettes back in the dark days either. Just saying casing isn't that important in today's digital world, it needs to stand out but they can afford to take risks here because they need to look as different from the other guys as possible, if they are going for different, or as similar to the other guys if they are going for just better. They cases should be black Blu Ray sized or CD sized cases if they are discs, or RED, red makes the most sense as Nintendo color, but whatever the packaging is the least important feature to worry about so thanks for putting it out there now Nintendo will fixate on the packing at the expense of everything else.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Is Wii U Nintendo's worst home console ever?

« on: February 01, 2016, 09:32:46 AM »

I think, regardless of where Zelda U and Star Fox land on the quality scale, Wii U is easily better than Wii at this moment and yes tied with N64 but close to knocking it off. N64 has a couple advantages, one slightly stronger 3rd party support gave it some favorites of mine like Shadows of the Empire, Mortal Kombat Trilogy (although I had it on PS1 also), MK4, and it had a pair of really neat Bomberman games and a Tetris, all things Wii U is currently lacking. If they could get MKT and MK4 VC N64 and an original Bomberman that makes use of the tablet and a decent Tetris it would surpass N64 easily. Without those things no matter how good Zelda U is it will be tough to beat Ocarina  of Time, original Mario Party (man I had so much fun with that game I am still confused/pissed it's not on VC when the crappier 2 is) and and Super Mario 64. It could also use a good Rogue Squadron type game, or any Star Wars games for that matter, but it is what it is.

As far as controllers go, I rank the tablet higher than anything on Wii even the Pro, higher than N64, higher than NES, tied with SNES (only because the tablet's buttons are too spread out it hurts my hands playing, opposite problem as NES being too small) but beneath Game Cube (including GBA connectivity and Wave Bird)


As far as extra features, I rank Wii the best, despite the lacking game library and the sloppy last-gen with waggle tacked on ports, the Wii had the most fun non-gaming apps when it was at it's height, sure Mii stuff got old after a while but damn those early days of Mii share or whatever it was called, that polling app, the Opera browser, the Mii TV or whatever it was called, the Nintendo channel, all those early channels/apps were actually worth owning a Wii for. They weren't good replacements for games and when the library started to feel thin they started to lose their charm but for a good year at least the channels/apps was where it was at, I will give the Wii that much.

Wii U didn't even try with apps, it was almost like they put everything into Miiverse and figured to hell with it good enough, even the Netflix app was better on Wii for the first few years into Wii U's life. In fact the only thing I don't like about Wii U b/c is that the Wii Apps either don't exist or don't work in it or anymore at all.

As far as design, Wii U is ugly, but not as ugly as N64. NES was different for the time, SNES looked like a toy, Game Cube was cool looking but it had a bad, but undeserved, reputation of being a lunchbox, and Wii looks only slightly better than Wii U only because it looks right, Wii U looks stretched and warped for what it is. Like they just let the Wii eat too many bacon wrapped bacon sandwiches dipped in bacon grease for a couple of months and then threw it out to market.

But as far as original games go, Wii U sucks, it has what, one game that can be considered original? It is great but that is it, one original game. Everything else is just a new spin on an old idea, Dr. Luigi, sure fun but it's just a new skin to Dr. Mario, NES Remix, sure fun but it's just the same old NES games I already own on dozens of platforms, Super Mario Maker, sure it's fun but its not new, or original.

The best thing I can say for Mario is the catsuit was so fun it better make a return, and Super Mario 3D World is still my favorite 3D Mario, and I recently went back and tried all previous entries except Sunshine because I don't have a Game Cube, and it still has me having more fun than I do with those. But Super Mario 64 is still very close in the fun factor even as ugly and outdated as it is, which is why that is the one HD remaster I want the most. Yes I do want original games too but the old games aren't going anywhere and revamping them, giving them a facelift, tweaking them, etc, how hard can those things be?

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Is Wii U Nintendo's worst home console ever?

« on: January 29, 2016, 12:45:42 PM »

Well I look back at the NES I despise the controller, same can be said for N64 I hated that thing too. So I am not 100 percent sure people will give the Wii a free pass either. I admit, at first motion controls were amazing I was hooked on Wii Sports, but then when it started popping into games where they didn't belong I started to lose interest and by the time I got Wii Play I was already over motion controls. Wii would have been a lot better if the classic controller had been mandatory and bundled either with the main console, or some "classic" bundle that gave you 2000 Wii points or pre-loaded VC titles, and, or, bundled with a game or two to get it out there and then having the option to use traditional controls would have made all the difference. Forcing motion and nunchuck was a mistake, even with a Nunchuck you get an analog stick tacked onto a really bad NES knock off. Actual NES knock-offs are usually better than the cheap Classic controller.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Your guess is as good as mine EDITION)

« on: January 29, 2016, 12:42:03 PM »

Nintendo has moved around their handhelds and other devices but have they ever released a home console outside of the holiday or Fall window? Closest I can think of was N64 that came out end of September. I am still not convinced NX has to be two separate machines, but I am convinced something from that initiative is launching this year for sure.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Is Wii U Nintendo's best home console ever?

« on: January 29, 2016, 12:28:11 PM »

That is what I was going for, discussing the Wii U on it's own merits, hey if you do that there are plenty of great things to say about it, no need to try and make it sound "better" by bringing up the Virtual Console service which if it satisfies you fine it doesn't do much for me. But I am a collector also so many of those old games I would rather have on the original hardware.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Is Wii U Nintendo's best home console ever?

« on: January 29, 2016, 10:16:45 AM »

I side with Evan here, I meant on it's own is Wii U library and features enough to make it the best home console/



Dragon warrior and Dragon Quest are the same franchise but they are not the same games, they stopped releasing Dragon Warrior games in the West and so what I mean was the Dragon Warrior branded games and the Dragon Quest branded sequels.


Also why bring up 3DS I was asking about Wii U can I play those 3DS games on my Wii U, no then how does having them on 3DS add to the Wii U?

Also you think waiting a few extra seconds and getting amazing CGI cut scenes and upgraded music is actually worse than bare bones copy of the game okay sure whatever.


I listed a couple of games but yeah the Square games are there but dozens, literally dozens of other RPG's that SNES fans often cite as reasons for it's greatness are still missing, where are the Mech games, the shooter games last time I checked there were maybe five SNES shooters on Wii U out of the 25 for the SNES.

There are over 700 games on SNES, 600 on NES, and 300 on N64 yet the total number of games on Virtual Console was less than 450 last time I checked, so that is what a third of what was out there and somehow having access to less than a third of a consoles library suddenly makes owning the original no longer relavant? If I want SNES games I am still better off just buying a SNES and getting the rare games on Wii U that are there but that is barely a little bit. Sure SNES had a ton of crap too, and seems to me like Genesis which was all over Wii, and PSN btw, is missing from Wii U, as is neo geo. Sure unless you want to go into archaic Wii mode which requires shelling out $40 extra bucks on a stupid waggle remote you weren't that impressed with ten years ago.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Is Wii U Nintendo's best home console ever?

« on: January 28, 2016, 06:07:34 PM »

Well those are your opinions, which I think is clear I disagree with. But whatever best most popular games on VC my ass, at best you get a couple of representatives to give you a tastes, Licensing issues are an excuse because a lot of the games that are missing from VC are on PSN and XBLA. I am not going to sit here and list them all but


Final Fantasy, you have which one on VC? I mean you have a pair of Breath of Fire games but where are the Dragon Quest? Dragon Warrior? Mortal Kombat (can't get the Arcade Kollection why can't they get the SNES versions?) People seem content with the SNES versions of the Street Fighter games, again you get vastly superior versions on Sony. Let me see what else is there?



So what if they can't be emulate or licenisng news flash if I want to play a game on SNES that isn't on Virtual Console then I don't need to worry about licensing issues so YEAH to me that makes the Super NES a better machine if it has the games I would want to play. So you can get some old Super Nintendo games on VC but there are dozens, hundreds more you can't, having a handful of Super NES games on Wii U does not make up for the lack of current gen games on the Wii U. As for the current gen stuff Wii U is a wasteland but PS3 is still getting a good chunk of it so even that is better.

I wasn't trying to say Wii U was a terrible machine or that PS3 is better but if you are going to make the claim that it is better than PS3 because of Virtual Console you are delusional when PS3 has the vastly superior library in terms of current gen, last gen, and retro (PS1 has far more memorable RPG's and arcade style shooters than SNES anyways and a lot of the better Super NES games were upgraded to PS1 and re-released on PS2 and then again on Ps3. Also when you do get a retro collection on the PS3 you sometimes get them with major enhancements plus the original game with VC all you get is the original game, flaws and all, with minor enhancements like save states, but you can still get most of those games on the original machines anyways so saying Wii U is better than Super NES when it can only play what, 75 or so of the 700+ games that were released on the machine? So it gets the top 50 and that is supposed to be good enough? What if the top 200 SNES games are better than the entirety of the Wii U library?

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Is Wii U Nintendo's best home console ever?

« on: January 28, 2016, 11:44:13 AM »

I used to think that way, especially in the early days of Wii when I had high hopes for the VC, but stop kidding yourself man, the virtual console is a mess, yo can get maybe, maybe fifteen games on VC that you cannot get elsewhere without paying a huge bundle but the amount of games NOT on virtual console vastly out numbers the handful of games present. Sure you get a taste of each franchise or genre, but more often than not you get some odd ball game that only pisses you off because they put that game up instead of the one you really wanted.


How is owning a machine that emulates SNES but leaves out the majority of top SNES games a good thing? I mean sure if you ONLY want Nintendo and Capcom games then sure but even then you are still missing out on stuff you can get elsewhere, especially via the real hardware or in many cases with add ons like Super Game Boy and Game Boy Player, etc.


I agree with your sentiment except in practice it falls short because Nintendo and their partners are terrible at releasing the games people want on the virtual console, the games people still flock to used game stores and shell out way more than they are worth to get because they refuse to release on Virtual Console.

At least with Ps3 you still have the option to play the physical discs when it comes to PS1 and most of the better PS2 games have been released already usually in HD remakes.

I would say Wii U best ever hands down if it had the output of HD remakes PS3 had, just give us the top ten GC and top ten N64 games as HD remakes and bam done best console ever when you keep everything else there. But most people will take a God of War HD or a Prince of Persia HD over Wind Waker HD anyday, not all obviously but most.

Plus as you just said in order to even play all the games you h ave to buy so many extra controllers, which was the real reason when you get down to it, that I had such a problem with Wii. With PS3 you get the controller you need bundled with the system the only games that use the optional sold separately are not even worth mentioning anyways.

Also Ps3 still has most of the current gen games Wii U didn't even get as a next gen machine.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Is Wii U Nintendo's worst home console ever?

« on: January 28, 2016, 11:36:18 AM »

Evan, I think I fully agree with your on the library part. I think one of the reasons I rank Game Cube so high and remember it so favorably is because between GBA-GC connectivity, e-Reader, and GameBoy Player, it had the most diverse and interesting software library. Sure most of the GBA titles were just ports or remakes of SNES games or derived from SNES games, but with so many people ranking the SNES in the top spot, not just among Nintendo consoles but overall too, I think there is a lot to be said of having those SNES-type games. I think that is why Wii and to some extend Wii U were so lacking, Nintendo is stuck on the NES-days and all their nostalgia is reserved trying to recreate those years, they forget that despite the battle with Sega, which in the end they pretty much won, they had some of their best, most memorable games ever released for that machine.

I think that is why people like Ian, no offense buddy but you are the most vocal it seems, hold onto the SNES era so fondly whereas maybe those years aren't as favorable for Nintendo because of Sega, Atari, Sony, Neo Geo, etc. I don't know why I fell in love with Game Cube maybe it was right place, right time, or maybe it was just it hit all the right notes following the major disappointment of N64 that forced me to also get a Playstation.

I think that is why Wii U e-shop doesn't do much for me, sure there are real SNES games on Virtual Console but none of the 2d made for e-shop games have that Super NES 16-bit magic they are all trying desperately to recreate the archaic, dark days of the 8-bit NES era. I think that is where Playstation is stronger, they are better at embracing change but also know what parts of their line up is nostalgic for their audience, hence why they embrace the old PS1 era as it was the closest to what we got with SNES and why I think some of the PSN digital games try harder to recreate that era. I think they both play on emotions really well it's just for me, NES takes me to my toddler years, SNES takes me to my fun years, PS1 takes me to the years my hormones were trying to tell me to stop playing video games and with GameCube I was finally an adult who could just appreciate games as what they were.

Maybe that is what matters, age more than anything? Seems like younger people prefer newer consoles or the one they played when they were the age I was when SNES was big. Maybe it is just something about those years.


As far as actual library goes, I love Super Mario 3D World and DKC Tropical Freeze maybe because they do sort of remind me of the 16 bit era more than recent offerings? I guess getting back to the whole Wii U 3DS being redundant but GC and GBA being complimentary seems to me it has to do with the games on GBA actually adding something to the GC library where with 3DS and Wii U you aren't getting anything really better or different just a bigger screen and better joysticks I suppose?

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Is Wii U Nintendo's worst home console ever?

« on: January 28, 2016, 04:11:19 AM »

The difference being those two consoles had far better 3rd party support than Wii U ever did.

Personally I don't think it is the worst console and when it is all said and done I think I will rank it slightly above Wii and maybe tied or even higher than N64.

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Nintendo Gaming / Is Wii U Nintendo's worst home console ever?

« on: January 27, 2016, 08:03:23 PM »

If we don't count the Virtual Boy does anyone thing that Wii U is actually Nintendo's worst console ever made? I remember back when GameCube was out I thought it was a contender for their best console ever, even beating out the beloved NES. I still think I would rank the Super NES as their greatest console but now I am torn about Wii U.

I think as a concept I like the Wii U and wish they could have done more with it. I also think that it does have quite a few really fun games. One of the biggest problems is most of the games are typical Nintendo but it seems like the games that were released are shining examples of their respective franchises. Also for the first time getting a Zelda game that focuses on action that isn't just some strange, pointless minigame being used to sell a useless piece of plastic was also very nice. (The fact they pulled that bullshit on us two generations in a row should have had people skeptical of Hyrule Warriors right up front) Oh wait I forgot about Amiibo... damn so close.

Well the games are fun anyways, even if they are short and lately do rely on shoving useless plastic accessories down our throats. (after reading about what has been deleted from Fire Emblem there are worse things they could be trying to cram down our throats.)

But does it really deserve to be hated as the worst Nintendo home console of all time? I know when Game Cube was knew there were people who felt it was premature to lump it in the running for greatest, to me I still think it beats even N64, but I never even considered if Wii would be one of the greatest or one of the worst, I think for me it is a tie between Wii and n64, they both fall short on potential but they have a few amazing gems that really stand out. With Wii U sure it gets compared to N64 a lot but I think it also should be compared to Game Cube too, it did try new things, it did try to improve upon the mistakes of the previous generation (something Wii didn't even bother acknowledging) and now it has giving us probably the greatest 3D Mario game ever, the best Mario Spin-off featuring a non-Mario game ever (Captain Toad), one of the greatest, if not the greatest Zelda Spin off ever, and one of the best DKC games since the original. Not to mention Super Mario Maker, Splatoon, and oh yeah those cool NES Remix games and good old Dr. Luigi.

I know it still has some life left in it, it's in a coma but Zelda could wake it up. If not for Virtual Console I would drop Wii just below N64 but that alone has it tied. N64 sticks around because Super Mario 64 is probably one of the top 20 greatest video games of all time. And now only the second best 3D Mario game ever.

If they do release a pretty good Paper Mario then Wii U could rise into a real contender, but should it be considered the worst console? I think it beats Wii but just barely (and mostly because frankly it is a Wii)


What does the rest of the Nintendo fans in the world think?

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Official Sales Thread

« on: January 27, 2016, 07:48:00 PM »

Oh no, Nintendo only has eight of the top twenty, they are doomed! Better get the N/X branded smart pedometers out asap if they want to stay afloat.

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TalkBack / Re: Mighty No 9 To Release In Spring

« on: January 26, 2016, 04:25:46 PM »

This is why I always thought the crowdfunding thing was a waste of time.

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TalkBack / Re: 'Petting' Minigame Removed From North American Version Of Fire Emblem Fates

« on: January 26, 2016, 04:23:45 PM »

And people wonder why Japanese game makers are going out of business while Western ones are ruling the world. For shame Nintendo, perverts and pedophiles confirmed.

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Movies & TV / Re: Official Star Wars The Force Awakens SPOILER DISCUSSION thread...

« on: January 26, 2016, 12:48:01 PM »

Earth is getting pretty crowded at 7 billion. We have probably eight or nine total planetary bodies in our solar system we could inhabit if we had the right technology. Suppose each star system in Star Wars could support roughly 50 billion humans per system, there are hundreds of systems in that galaxy that make up the Old Republic and the Empire. Under Palpatine there was a serious effort to erase all non-Human life forms so that was part of the Rebellions, non-humans fighting for their right to live and to be a part of the government they helped create.

Like Perm said, there are likely planets not hospitable to humans but with their technology they can over come that. Human nature is to expand, to explore, and to reproduce. Some of the longer living species, as pointed out, probably don't have that same desire so it was easier for the humans who build their Death machines to come along and leave their mark on the world.


As for the clones, they Storm Troopers in the Original Trilogy were not all clones, by that time they were already drafting people and phasing out the clones, in fact by A New Hope the clones were already De-commissioned and placed in their storage facilities or retirement centers whatever they were called. they were no longer active duty. The First Order was probably like the remnants of the Empire in the Legacy EU, they had access to clone facilities but chose not to use them for various reasons. I think there was a line in the film that suggested they could use clones and they dismissed that as an option or something to that effect.

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General Gaming / Re: What is the most obscure, retro console you own?

« on: January 26, 2016, 11:53:00 AM »

Well damn when you paint a crystal clear picture like that you destroy any chance I had at maintaining the illusion.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Paper Mario for Wii U: Time for Evan_B to freak out!

« on: January 26, 2016, 11:48:54 AM »

I don't think Miyomoto cares about what franchise Mario is in, he created Mario so I think he probably feels like he should have some creative say in any game that features his baby. I know I would push for that if I were him. It's the whole George Lucas vs. the people all over again, what right does the creator have verses the audience who receives his work.

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General Chat / Re: What are you hyped about today?

« on: January 25, 2016, 02:41:29 PM »

I am hyped for my new job. December was a nightmare for us and we were all working 60 hours a week. Well the boss finally hired two new ad reps to sell ads and that frees him up to build ads, meaning he wants me to take over building the pages and laying out the paper. It isn't exactly editor but it will eventually lead to editor once I get through my training and that is a step above staff writer. No word on $$$ yet but fingers crossed there is a bump.

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Movies & TV / Re: Rate the last TV show you've seen

« on: January 25, 2016, 02:38:01 PM »

I just started this new sitcom, forgot the title but it basically makes fun of people who work at Walmart stores, hilarious I love it I want to see more of this. I was a little turned off by the start of the pilot but by the end of the second episode I was hooked and wanted more.

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TalkBack / Re: Paper Mario Wii U Title In Testing?

« on: January 25, 2016, 02:36:20 PM »

I am not sure which I would prefer a complete remake of the original or a completely original game based on that games style? I didn't get into latter games they were just too cutesy for me. What appealed to me about the N64 game was it was still fresh switching from 2D to 3D gaming to getting a 2D style game on the N64 felt kind of refreshing in a lot of ways. Latter games though, especially with Wii pretty much being a nostalgia beast, just felt like there was nothing special about them the gimmick wore off for me. I don't mind the humor in a Mario RPG game but I wish they would revisit the SNES game's mechanics and do a proper sequel to that or a complete full on HD-Remake like FF7. For that, save it for NX though because Wii U would be a total waste.

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TalkBack / Re: Mighty No 9 To Release In Spring

« on: January 25, 2016, 02:33:07 PM »

I completely forgot this was even a thing, I thought it had been canned already. It might as well be cancelled it's going to tank anyways.

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General Gaming / Re: What is the most obscure, retro console you own?

« on: January 22, 2016, 10:18:16 AM »

Does my Panasonic Q with Game Boy Player, Broadband Adapter and Component video cables count?

I have a Magnavox Odyssey 2, but no power cord, so I can't play it.

I own an Intellivision, but that's not really that rare.  I love that thing.

Q doesn't count for what I was saying just like Xeye or CDX, those are just rare variants of a non-rare console.


But if you broaden the terms to most obscure retro gaming machine then sure, except Game Cube and Retro doesn't really fit in my head. Wow, has it really been that long?

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Your guess is as good as mine EDITION)

« on: January 22, 2016, 10:16:09 AM »

I, and I am sure a majority of Nintendo fans, would be more than happy of they exited the home console business entirely and just made a really kick ass handheld that ALSO allowed TV connectivity and that would be all they needed to do. But no they won't see that either. The console business isn't even MS and Sony, it's all Sony has been since 1995. Microsoft is just pretending to matter all they want is to use Xbox to keep their bigger name relevant.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Your guess is as good as mine EDITION)

« on: January 21, 2016, 10:35:08 AM »

Honestly their best bet, and they won't do this, is to just make a proper, Nintendo Tablet a true gaming tablet that runs just the apps a gamer needs, maybe a few media apps, a decent web browser, and something like Game Pad where there are buttons on the side and include HDMI output, then done a merging of the console and handheld division.

That won't happen though so we are right back to where we started, speculating on what is plan, what are we on no E, F, I lost count because they keep changing things.