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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 537: The Worst Idea in a Strategy Game since Conception II

« on: September 10, 2017, 01:01:03 AM »

Reminds me of the splatoon episode. The guys dumped **** on Splatoon and i came here and said the same thing about the negativity and it turned out splatoon was a great game that gave us great free content.


People got defensive in that thread too.


Sorry guys. Didn't mean to bring an opinion.

I really hope you don't take this thread as people trying to criticize you for your opinion.  We all love Nintendo here (why else would we be hanging out on a Nintendo-centric website?), but most criticism I've been trying to levy here has been from a position of wishing Nintendo could meet the potential of how good their ecosystem COULD be.

I mean, there's a decade of competent networks to draw best practices upon and mimic.  Why reinvent the wheel when there's a standard that exists, that works well, and makes customers happy?

Well said.

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 537: The Worst Idea in a Strategy Game since Conception II

« on: September 08, 2017, 05:30:10 PM »

Reminds me of the splatoon episode. The guys dumped **** on Splatoon and i came here and said the same thing about the negativity and it turned out splatoon was a great game that gave us great free content.


People got defensive in that thread too.


Sorry guys. Didn't mean to bring an opinion.

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 537: The Worst Idea in a Strategy Game since Conception II

« on: September 07, 2017, 07:18:10 PM »

Sure, I see your points. 


I think in respect to RFN, they've been playing Nintendo games, reporting on Nintendo, and chatting about Nintendo on a podcast for quite a while, which I imagine could add to the cynicism.  Additionally, Jon Lindemann has expressed displeasure several times at the gulf between Nintendo's online services and every other one, so it's not necessarily surprising he's as down on Nintendo about this subject as he was on the episode.


Only other thing I'll say on this - I hope they don't look to give a "both sides to the story" mindset to all the topics they cover on the show.  For the Super Mario Sunshine retroactive, they pushed hard against Jon and Soren's withering comments about the game and gave much more spotlight to the game's ardent defenders than the detractors. 


I think that's a fair thing to do for a retrospective that'll garner a lot of people revisiting a game they love.  I think the world demands too much "both sides to the discussion carry equal weight" mindset as it is.   

I loved the Sunshine episode. I didn't agree with all the points and they went hard at the game but it also had counter points.


You got to hear from both sides of it and it was all fair points.


Here it just felt lazy criticism without having good counter points. Mario Kart 8 alone on Wii U offered excellent online while providing incredible DLC.


Smash was great. Splatoon gave us free content for a year and offered smooth online.




Anyways i'm beating a dead horse.


Sunshine episode was so good. Wish we had more retrospectives. : )

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 537: The Worst Idea in a Strategy Game since Conception II

« on: September 07, 2017, 01:10:07 PM »

Kobeskillz, bear in mind, i'm not trying to pile-on any criticism at you personally.  And at some point, it's belaboring a point that isn't changing any opinions.  I don't think anyone here is looking for everyone to have the same opinion, otherwise conversation would be pointless.  That said;



Paying for a subscription for online services is a relatively new experience.  For PC players, it's still basically unheard of unless you're doing so as part of an MMO subscription.  Even when Microsoft did it for Xbox live on the 360, the trade-off was that the feature set and consistency of how well it worked was so much better than what Playstation 3 was offering with their free service that people could rationalize themselves paying for the service because the ecosystem was so much better than the alternatives that the value was worth it.  It's also worth remembering that Playstation Plus didn't start as them charging for online as a trade-off to improve their service to parity with Microsoft.  It started as a "free games" program where they gave subscribers a few free games a month on PS3 and additional discounts on other games.  It only became a required service with the PS4, where the tools ARE better than what the PS3 were for online capabilities.


The question to me, given all this, is "What is Nintendo offering beyond what they currently have to justify gating online multiplayer behind a subscription?".  We don't know for sure.  But what they have revealed IMO isn't promising - that it's going to be relegated to a separate app rather than built into the system hardware itself, vague promises of a Netflix-like service for a selection of NES games.  These, in my opinion, are somewhere ranging between a minor addition (NES games), an inconvenient system to enable online matchmaking (a separate app that hogs the usage of a separate mobile device), to big question marks (what does a netflix-style NES catalog mean for Virtual Console?).  It doesn't inspire confidence to me personally that we'll be paying for something that's an actual net-addition to their online service, given the little bit of example we currently have. 


I saw a rationalization for Microsoft and Sony charging for their services at the time they initiated them, I don't see the value-add justification from Nintendo, and it's partially a messaging fault on their end.


The core question in my mind - Which of the reasons is Nintendo starting a paid subscription service?

• Because they recognize the need for their online services to be closer in parity to their competitors?
• Because they know Microsoft/Sony are enjoying a revenue stream they currently aren't exploiting, and are trying to figure out how they can justify it to their customer?

Because they've waffled and tweaked what they said they're going to offer a few times, the cynic in me has started assuming it's the latter.  And because that's the end from which I believe they're approaching this, I don't have much confidence in the outcome.

No argument from me. Once they start charging if it's the same online plus a free game here and there then yes i would be right there with you guys criticizing them. I also have gripes with their past online efforts. I would be a fool to defend all their decisions.


But considering i didn't pay a penny for online other than purchasing the game in most cases (sometimes for a few bucks used or sale on amazon) i would argue that there has been a lot of positives as well.


I feel that just talking crap about their online without balancing it with positives is just low hanging fruit and feel the NWR crew could have done better in this instance.


Again i'm a huge fan of theirs and would not be here so passionately talking about this if i didn't care. I do and i hold them at a higher regard because they do so much quality work. I didn't agree completely with the sunshine episode but i respected their opinion (other than john who probably played an hour before the show) but on this episode i really feel they glossed over some things.


Especially since you have past episodes with them talking about how much fun they had with Smash bros and it's online and other games.

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 537: The Worst Idea in a Strategy Game since Conception II

« on: September 06, 2017, 08:11:57 PM »

You make a lot of solid points but to argue that online was "baked" into the price of the game is a bit of a stretch considering other companies sold you a game for the same price and in addition to that you also had to pay to play online.


Yes their past has been spotty to awful when it comes to online. No one is doubting this. But there are also some great examples of online and at times it even surpasses the experience on other platforms where you do have to pay to go online.


My brother used to live with me and we would have to pay for TWO Xbox Live accounts for him to play on the same system.


So yes is fair to criticize Nintendo for their approach to online and hair tearing decisions but it should be countered with the fact that it's been Free or "backed" into the standard price of a retail game and that there has been some great examples of online play in there as well.


Honestly i didn't come in here to "fight" the whole crew as i love your podcast but just wanted to bring up the fact that to me it sounded a bit one sided here and at times just unreasonably negative.




You don't want fans that are just yes men do you? lol.

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 537: The Worst Idea in a Strategy Game since Conception II

« on: September 06, 2017, 06:49:41 PM »

The only Wii U game I can think of that had good voice chat is MH3U.

Splinter Cell had voice chat. Games that had voice chat you could use the built in gamepad mic if i remember or a headset.


Either way i didn't mind since A) i would call my friends and B) it was free.


I pay for Xbox Live and still don't use voice chat so no big diff there.

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 537: The Worst Idea in a Strategy Game since Conception II

« on: September 05, 2017, 08:59:18 PM »

But hearing the conversation really felt like Nintendo was being kicked for the past when IMO it's been FREE for so long.

Counter point - what better way to make a guess on how they'll handle their online services for the switch than looking at every past system they offered online for?

Oh absolutely. Trust me I have my issues with their online as well.


I also understand that the conversation was looking at their past and trying to predict the future.


But in looking at this past they get way to much crap and not enough credit for providing a service for free. At times terrible to ok but other times absolutely fantastic.


Not having voice chat in their 1rd party games is more of a Nintendo thing.


I talked perfectly fine playing on other 3rd party games on Wii U. Splinter Cell on Wii U is a game i've logged in 70 hours online. Free. I also played tons of black ops 2 on Wii U and still this game has a small but active community. Free.


So I really do hope Nintendo gets their act together once they start charging but i did feel some more positive counter points could have come up rather than the low hanging fruit of just bashing their past and current online cause that's the cool and easy thing to do.


I'm kinda excluding Greg a bit from this as he did bring up some points here and there.

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 537: The Worst Idea in a Strategy Game since Conception II

« on: September 05, 2017, 08:00:29 PM »

Listening it came off as that at times.


I was playing devils advocate here somewhat.


Their online needs a lot of work in a lot of areas that's for sure. Once we start paying then they should absolutely be held to the fire if it's not up to snuff.


But hearing the conversation really felt like Nintendo was being kicked for the past when IMO it's been FREE for so long.


I know my opinion wont' be a popular one but again i was just listening to it and that's how it sort of came off.


With that said i don't think the service will see a drastic improvement once we start paying but if they add enough modern features along with the free games they promised then i can see the 20-25 bucks worth it for sure for a year.

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 537: The Worst Idea in a Strategy Game since Conception II

« on: September 05, 2017, 06:45:15 PM »

No it will not. If the service is this limited by the time we start paying then yes we have grips. Right now is still free. I can play MK8, Splatoon 2 and other games perfectly fine for free. FREE. Zero money.


Again lots of complaining for something that's been FREE. For 11 years on multiple systems. FREE.


Once the online paid service starts then lets start complaining about it.

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 537: The Worst Idea in a Strategy Game since Conception II

« on: September 05, 2017, 04:44:19 PM »

Ok so i'm gonna give a different perspective here.


All four of you (podcast members) have been playing Nintendo games online for free since what? 2006?


DS, Wii, 3DS, Wii U and now Switch.


That's 5 platforms with free online. Has it a always been great? No. Is it missing modern features? Yes.


But the fact remains that most of the time the basic feature of connecting online and playing with people or friends has been there and free.


Wii MK was smooth as butter and a ton of fun. Smash Wiu/3DS was smooth and insanely fun. Mario Maker, Mario Kart 8, Splatoon, DS MK, i can go on and on. Heck i spent almost 100 hours playing Tetris DS online and it was awesome.


So yes the online is steps back in a lot of ways. But it has been FREE. so far.


Last night i was playing starwars battle front with my brother and that game is a pain in the ass online. I pay MS money yearly and that experience is by far worse than Splatoon.


Hearing people complain about something free is like giving someone a barrel full of money and them complaining that it's too heavy.

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 536: Yoshi Facts Matter to Me

« on: August 30, 2017, 10:54:05 AM »

Saying that reviewers were bias is insulting. I'm sure all of you have reviewed a game in that time and look back now and can re review with the Benefit of time and perspective.

In 2002 this game was legit great. Hasn't aged as well as other Mario games but to discredit it when most of you were praising it back then is off putting.

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 536: Yoshi Facts Matter to Me

« on: August 29, 2017, 02:49:50 PM »

Screw you guys, Sunshine is the best 3D Mario game. I don't understand the control and camera complaints, I've never had any issues. In fact, I think that Mario controls better here than every other 3D Mario. The controls are so fluid yet tight when they need to be. Hell, during that secret mission in Delphino Plaza where you have to steer the lily pad down the poison river and collect the red coins, if I didn't get them all in one go, I just jump onto the ledge outside the river and run straight back to the start and get on another lily pad. That's how easy and precise this game controls. The only thing I didn't like about this game is the blue coin collectathon. Other than that, perfect game.

I'm with you on the controls. The camera betrays the controls though. But the controls themselves are tight and responsive. John musta been using a 3DS dpad ala Mario 3.

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 536: Yoshi Facts Matter to Me

« on: August 28, 2017, 04:51:08 PM »

I do agree the game needed more play testing. The biggest gripe with this game is the fact that you can’t reverse the horizontal camera control! How fudging stupid. They give you complete camera control but no camera options. Ugh.
 
The controls are butter but the camera is a huge obstacle.

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TalkBack / Re: Castlevania Review Mini

« on: July 02, 2017, 05:24:27 PM »

Hahahahahaha at this review!!!!' Save points. Hahahahahaha! Children have gotten soft.

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 524: Original Podcast, Do Not Steal

« on: May 30, 2017, 11:23:39 AM »

I don't think Nintendo wants any more DLC for Mario Kart 8.


Imagine the difficulties of developing Mario Kart 9 due to the content and how it will pale at launch compared to MK8 Deluxe.


The reviews will absolutely knock it for having much less content even though MK8 is a deluxe edition. Now add DLC to that and MK9 will look even worse as far as content.


So instead of Nintendo shooting themselves in the foot and dedicating more resources to an old game they are moving those dev teams to other projects.

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 521: Last.FM Towns

« on: May 11, 2017, 02:22:48 PM »

Mario land is a bad game.
Mario land 2 is a good game. Is flooty now but back in the day it was a legit Mario game on gameboy. It was good.
Wario land is brilliant
Wario 2 and 3 I just didn't like.

The first wario is the best and finest platformer in the og gameboy.

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 519: Heroes of the Pun Storm

« on: April 30, 2017, 09:40:36 PM »

Half hero was super awesome and the paltforming tight.

Dude you're trippin. Negative Nancy.

Wow looks like I'm in the minority regarding this game. It wasn't perfect but I enjoyed the hell out of it.

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 517: Survey Says

« on: April 10, 2017, 03:57:07 PM »

While I brought up Uncharted 4 I think it's funny that Bayonetta 2 gets brought up for its wonky humor and sextual style yet no one bats an eye at Drakes down right now mass murder rate in ea Uncharted game.


Drake kills more people in one death room than Arnold does in commando.


Yet that's cool. I guess bullet between the eyes isn't as bad as Bayo showing her ass. Weird.

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 517: Survey Says

« on: April 10, 2017, 03:18:51 PM »

mmm the writing in pokemon never really bothered me. I mean it's Vanilla sure but still it never kept me from playing the games.


Uncharted 4 has amazing writing and i'm playing it right now but god the gameplay is boring me to death.


So if I had my choice i rather have solid fun gameplay and meh writing vs great writing and meh gameplay.


Obviously i would love both!

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 515: The 22 Billion Yen Friend Code

« on: March 28, 2017, 04:21:45 PM »

send your joy con to nintendo. I sent mines and they gave me free over night shipping.


I got mines back in 3 days!


Also for Blaster Master Zero and pro controller. Sucks that there is a bug but why are you using the stick!!?!! lol. That d pad is freaking amazing!

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 513: Qbby in the Wild

« on: March 12, 2017, 12:54:49 PM »

James the joycon grip that comes with the system has no lights or electronics in it. The lights you see come from the joy cons that are reflected through small mirrors. Flash your phone light in the grip and you'll see the lights come through. Very clever and cost effective way by Nintendo.

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 513: Qbby in the Wild

« on: March 11, 2017, 01:49:52 AM »

The reason the switch version looks far better than the at times muted wiiu version is cause one the 900p and two and most importantly the switch supports full color range while wiiu is limited color. So the switch version is beautiful in its colors while the wiiu version does have a washed out look in comparison

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TalkBack / Re: The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild

« on: February 24, 2017, 07:29:44 PM »

Yeah i'm sorry that doesn't really feel like a huge issue. lol.

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 508: Co-Op Yourself

« on: February 07, 2017, 05:04:49 PM »

Switch details were cool.


The controls for Super Metroid on 3DS didn't seem to be a problem for me. Weird. I do wish they had custom buttons for sure.

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Podcast Discussion / Re: Episode 500: Wouldn't It Be an Auditory Rash?

« on: December 06, 2016, 01:33:09 PM »

I've enjoyed these shows for years now and its always consistently good to great.


You guys even poke fun of stuff like the Mario 3 thing which is funny.