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Title: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: Phil on October 21, 2017, 07:12:37 PM
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Q. What are spoilers?

Unknown kingdoms, boss fights, endgame stuff -- man, I don't even want to know what the main character's name is!

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Seriously, though! YAHOO! Super Mario Odyssey returns the 3D Mario series to a sandbox formula first introduced in the genre-defining Super Mario 64. The game comes out for Nintendo Switch this Friday, so let's have a hype topic and post our impressions of the in-store demo at various stores selling games (GameStop, Best Buy, Walmart, Target, etc.) as well as impressions once the game actually releases!

The game was but revealed a year ago during the Nintendo Switch reveal trailer, and its official unveiling at this past January's Switch presentation, so while it hasn't had as much time to generate hype like Breath of the Wild did, I'm still extremely excited and hyped for the game.
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Post by: Khushrenada on October 21, 2017, 07:49:00 PM
So, you don't want to know about the big lava world at the end of the game? [spoilers]I don't actually know if there is a lava world in this game or at the end but it's a Mario game so I think I have a good shot at being correct on that one. Lava, a Giant Castle or both would be my guess for the end.[/spoilers]


Like Phil, I'm going to try to avoid spoilers since, unlike BotW when I dived in on Day 1, I won't be playing this until next summer most likely so I'd like to try and keep some surprises in it under wraps.
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Post by: Phil on October 21, 2017, 08:58:53 PM
I'm just particular about stuff not shown yet. It's only a week away (sorry you have to wait for so long, Khush) so I want to try to have everything else be a surprise. :D
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Post by: Traveller on October 21, 2017, 10:22:37 PM
The game seems like its going to be massive, feels like it'll take a long time to finish..
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Post by: Khushrenada on October 21, 2017, 10:26:35 PM
I'm just particular about stuff not shown yet. It's only a week away (sorry you have to wait for so long, Khush) so I want to try to have everything else be a surprise. :D

Don't feel too sorry. It's by choice. I could buy a Switch and Mario if I wanted to in order to play it on release but I've got other stuff I want to focus on and considering how sucked into BotW I was on its initial release, I don't want to tempt myself by owning Odyssey right now.
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Post by: Mipha on October 22, 2017, 02:23:17 AM
With the game leaked and videos and screenshots everywhere, that's going to be hard.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on October 22, 2017, 10:11:16 AM
Alright I'm going to live in a cave now.  I already spoiled too much from the leak, but apparently the game is so massive they're not even close to finding everything so I'm going to quite now before all the content is revealed.

Watch out when viewing Youtube if you're used to watching Nintendo related video's.  Some asshats are already posting video's with massive spoilers in them that will show up on your recommended list.  Just the titles alone could be considered major for some people.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 22, 2017, 12:29:21 PM
I played the demo today at Target. It's amazing. Yes, I played for about 2 minutes...but, if I were to review it right now...10/10.
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Post by: nickmitch on October 22, 2017, 06:45:50 PM
Should we all decide on a date to start talking spoilers or just make a separate thread?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 22, 2017, 07:17:53 PM
There should be a spoiler thread.
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Post by: Phil on October 22, 2017, 07:22:58 PM
Well, I don't remember if the forums have spoiler tags. That would be neat-o sweet-o for people to hide text behind or image links while still being able to talk about unrevealed parts of the game like kingdoms, bosses and so forth. The stuff I mentioned is the only thing I don't want to get spoiled on. By hiding it in spoiler tags, it would make the topic a happy, cool, awesome place for everyone to talk about the second of the big Switch releases this year from Nintendo.

EDIT: Or a spoiler thread. Which ever is easiest! :)
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Post by: Khushrenada on October 22, 2017, 07:37:24 PM
Yes, we have spoiler tags.

I feel the way the discussion was handled in the BotW thread was really well done. The community can be proud of it. People were posting all kinds of impressions and experiences from the game but everyone seemed to have a pretty good grasp of what might be spoiler-y for others currently playing and put that info behind spoiler tags while the rest of the info and unspoilered text was in regards to general things that people were going to already know about or weren't of huge significance. After awhile, some of the early spoiler tags were no longer spoilers since a lot of people would have encountered them or the info about them was already being made known so we could stop spoilering some of the discussion and after the first two months, you could pretty much post whatever you wanted and it was other people's own fault for getting spoiled at that point.

I have faith the community here will be able to use that same level of smarts when discussing Odyssey whether it is in this thread or another thread. We could do a spoiler thread if you want to try out the idea. Any forum user can create such a thread if they want to.

With the game leaked and videos and screenshots everywhere, that's going to be hard.

Not really. I didn't even know there was a leak until I saw your post. I basically just get my Nintendo information from here or the Nintendo Directs these days. I still check in on IGN for its headlines and news but that's about it.

Watch out when viewing Youtube if you're used to watching Nintendo related video's.  Some asshats are already posting video's with massive spoilers in them that will show up on your recommended list.  Just the titles alone could be considered major for some people.

Same goes for YouTube. I hardly use it and, if I do, it's usually for a pop culture reference or to listen to some music. I don't watch Nintendo related videos on it. Honestly, the biggest way I often got spoiled in the past was with Nintendo Power. We'll see how blissfully unaware of game elements I end up being by the time I get around to playing it but, at the moment, I think I'm up to the challenge.
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Post by: Phil on October 22, 2017, 08:31:06 PM
NP would at least give you awesome walkthroughs as apologies for most of its life.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 22, 2017, 09:16:22 PM
I heard that after the starting area you can go right for Bowser, but you should probably free the four champions first. Also, the weapons are breakable.
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Post by: Khushrenada on October 22, 2017, 10:00:32 PM
I heard that there's a star that makes you invincible for 10 seconds but if you want to be invincible longer than you have to pay a dollar for every 10 more seconds you want to stay invincible.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 23, 2017, 10:29:32 AM
Peach dies at the end!

But really, I know next to nothing about this game, so it's gonna be pretty great going into it. Even the TV commercial showed me a few things I didn't know existed.

Should we all decide on a date to start talking spoilers or just make a separate thread?
I'd vote for a spoiler thread myself. Not everyone is going to start playing this on release, and people play at different paces, so there isn't really going to be a good date where everyone has played through the game.
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Post by: Phil on October 25, 2017, 10:43:37 PM
The review embargo is up 10/26 at 9 AM (EST).

Also, my Best Buy will be opening at 11 PM (CST) for both this and Assassin's Creed!
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Post by: Khushrenada on October 26, 2017, 01:16:28 AM
I'd vote for a spoiler thread myself. Not everyone is going to start playing this on release, and people play at different paces, so there isn't really going to be a good date where everyone has played through the game.

Ah, but will people show discretion in a spoiler thread? By it's title, does that not imply they can post whatever and not bother with spoiler tags? With the leaks and other players progress levels, maybe you want to check in to ask a question or see how people are doing yet you may not want to be spoiled on some later stuff. How will you be able to use the thread to do that and retain your ignorance (ha ha :D) when people can be posting anything about the game? At least with the Zelda thread, posters knew to use discretion and think carefully about the info they were revealing or not and it allowed players who bought it Day 1 or weeks later to be able to jump in that thread or peruse and still have a lot of the mystery left. Of course, there's going to be some info posted so people know that going in but a lot of discoveries were left hidden for people.

That said, let's test the idea of a spoiler thread out. This can be the non-spoiler thread for people to post in and I'll create a spoiler thread (which I have no intention of reading anytime soon so you can all talk behind my back as much as you want :( ) and we'll see if it is worth doing for other future releases and how well it works out.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 26, 2017, 06:12:01 AM
My copy of Odyssey just unlocked.  Looking very nice too. 
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Post by: that Baby guy on October 26, 2017, 11:00:52 AM
I've heard this game is a shot-for-shot remake of Super Mario RPG. Is that true?
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Post by: Mop it up on October 26, 2017, 11:49:42 AM
Ah, but will people show discretion in a spoiler thread? By it's title, does that not imply they can post whatever and not bother with spoiler tags?
First, to be clear, I think the Zelda thread went fine. I'm just curious how a separate thread will work out.

I was envisioning a spoiler thread as more of knowing it as a place where there will be spoiler-y talk, not necessarily that it will be unmarked. If you look at the Zelda thread, it has lots of posts, and someone beating the game later could have trouble going back and reading some of the thoughts about, say, the ending, and having trouble starting a conversation about it. Maybe a spoiler thread will make it easier for people to have discussions about later-game stuff without sifting through posts.

Whether people mark spoilers or not, I'm at least envisioning people prefacing their posts with the section they're going to talk about, so people know what they're getting into by reading it and know if they've played that part. Is that clunky? Maybe, I'm not sure. I know there are still some problems with the idea and we don't have to do it with every game, but we'll see how it works out and it may not be a bad idea to do with larger games like this. After all, I feel like some games are too large for just one thread, so it's more about sorting categories for a game.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 27, 2017, 05:45:47 PM
I've only just barely gotten past the title screen, and already I can say that this is easily the best game released within the past ten years.
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Post by: alegoicoe on October 27, 2017, 10:20:43 PM
This game is just amazing, contender for best game of all time easily. The sense of discovery and wonder tops even Mario Galaxy. Its so fresh and yet so familiar, Nintendo is back full force no doubts.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 27, 2017, 11:53:08 PM
I'll be your 1up girl...

This gives me the sense of adventure that Sunshine did, but even better!
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Post by: Phil on October 28, 2017, 04:38:17 AM
Got the game at 11 pm CST on Thursday night from Best Buy. Have since played 7 hours in two sittings! Help! I'm having too much fun! The final event in New Donk City was awesome!
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Post by: Adrock on October 28, 2017, 06:42:45 AM
I was feeling nauseated last night yet I continued playing for an additional 20 minutes before I managed to pull myself away from Odyssey last night.

The music is so good.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 28, 2017, 09:37:04 AM
This contains pretty much every element one could want from a Mario game.
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Post by: Adrock on October 28, 2017, 10:14:32 AM
This contains pretty much every element one could want from a Mario game.
I better see Princess Daisy then.
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Post by: alegoicoe on October 28, 2017, 10:20:46 AM
This contains pretty much every element one could want from a Mario game.
I better see Princess Daisy then.


We have Pauline though :cool;
On another topic, have you guys seen the video by Digital Foundry on the things Nintendo did to get the game running at 60fps while looking amazing? Its great, a lot of techniques other developers should be using on the Switch.
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Post by: that Baby guy on October 28, 2017, 10:28:48 AM
This contains pretty much every element one could want from a Mario game.

Pizza? Better not answer. No spoilers here.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 28, 2017, 10:39:28 AM
Mario's various outfits are just adorbs.
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Post by: alegoicoe on October 28, 2017, 10:47:20 AM
I am having a blast with the outfits, no doubt.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 28, 2017, 10:58:00 AM
I just realized that this game shows what a 3D Kirby game could be like. Make it happen, Nintendo / Hal!
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 29, 2017, 02:46:59 AM
Finished the main story campaign, loved every minute of it. Fantastic end battle, and a really cool surprise at the end. Still feel like there is still a ton to see and do.
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Post by: Evan_B on October 29, 2017, 08:42:34 AM
I just realized that this game shows what a 3D Kirby game could be like. Make it happen, Nintendo / Hal!
This is ultimately what is really upsetting about the game, to me. It would work really well as a 3D Kirby title (in fact, I think a lot of the collect-a-thon spirit could have been used for 3D Kirby and Mario could have stayed a linear 3D platformer), but I understand why you would want to have a mainline Mario as a highlight in 2017.

The game is gorgeous. So much to do, so much that I feel I haven't done, what the HECK is with these Kingdoms with 60+ Moons. There's something to be said about how easily obtainable they are, but that allowed the developers to put in a crap load.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 31, 2017, 01:03:16 AM
I was honestly worried in the leadup to this game that it would go too far in the direction of open world level design and take away some of the things I loved about the last few 3D Mario games, but I was foolish to doubt EAD Tokyo's abilities. This game somehow manages to feel open and explorable while still maintaining a real focus and leading you in the right direction, and weaves platforming just as good and satisfying as their previous games into that structure. It's almost Metroid-like in how it seems to combine all the best aspects of both openness and linearity at the same time.
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Post by: that Baby guy on October 31, 2017, 09:15:48 AM
I just realized that this game shows what a 3D Kirby game could be like. Make it happen, Nintendo / Hal!
This is ultimately what is really upsetting about the game, to me. It would work really well as a 3D Kirby title (in fact, I think a lot of the collect-a-thon spirit could have been used for 3D Kirby and Mario could have stayed a linear 3D platformer), but I understand why you would want to have a mainline Mario as a highlight in 2017.

The game is gorgeous. So much to do, so much that I feel I haven't done, what the HECK is with these Kingdoms with 60+ Moons. There's something to be said about how easily obtainable they are, but that allowed the developers to put in a crap load.

To be honest, I didn't get a Kirby feel from it. I got a Banjo-Kazooie or Banjo Tooie feel from it. Transformations, collectible coins in every stage, not leaving the world once you've collected the McGuffin, the jumping tricks to extend how far you can jump. This is the direction the Banjo games were heading in, but never quite reached.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 31, 2017, 10:38:52 AM
I'm not sure I like all the jumping tricks.
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Post by: Evan_B on October 31, 2017, 11:32:58 AM
Some of them seem very non-intuitive. Diving, in particular, is very strange. It can be used to break a lot of platforming sequences so I understand why it's a more complex input, but it also doesn't seem to work right at all.

Not having a dedicated run button like in 3D Land/World is a bit jarring, too. I hated it in 3D Land, and tolerated it in 3D World because the level design was so much better. Now that it's gone, its absence is noted. While I like rolling a great deal in concept, it's also very awkward because of the slope momentum the game often puts in place as a hindrance.

I'm about 300+ Power Moons in now, still enjoying the experience a great deal.
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Post by: Khushrenada on November 15, 2017, 11:14:38 AM
With the game leaked and videos and screenshots everywhere, that's going to be hard.

So, avoiding spoilers of this game has proved to be easier than I thought. (I know, I'm jinxing myself by saying this now.) For me, since this game has come out, there's been a few post made in this thread over that opening weekend and then nothing. It's like the enthusiasm for this game just died. No one really seems to be talking about it and the impressions seem to be shifting from greatest Mario game ever by reviewers to a good not great Mario game by the players. It doesn't seem to be generating many topics or discussion compared to, say, BotW when that came out.

Now, perhaps that might be the nature of Mario games compared to Zelda games in which one is a platforming challenge of getting from point A to point B so there's not really a lot to discuss or elaborate on besides levels or challenges one may like or dislike whereas with Zelda, there are a lot more layers to discuss like story, puzzles, combat, exploration. Thus, it just may be harder for a Mario game to generate more discussion. Yet, I am surprised at the silence this game seems to have gotten after release. Maybe it is just that people are too busy playing it to comment on it but it does strike me as a curious and a potential warning that perhaps the game has been overhyped a bit.

I was also surprised at how some people seemed to have beat the game over the opening weekend as well. I thought this was going to be a large Mario game with a lot of secrets and moons to collect but people seemed to finish the story so fast. My experience with the past few 3D Mario games was that it took me longer than a couple days to beat the story but then I like to look around in levels and explore them a bit rather than immediately rushing to the end point.

Thus, I wonder, what is the current perception of this game? Great, good, all-time best, so-so? Is it just that the NWR forums are a bit silent on the game but it's being talked about a lot more in other places? Are people playing something else right now and getting to Odyssey later? I know it's working out great for me in not spoiling anything but I'm just surprised at how very few waves it seems to be creating in the gaming community after the big splash it seemed to have on release.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 15, 2017, 12:05:59 PM
I'm also surprised at the lack of discussion for this masterpiece. Now I know you can (and will) blame me for that, but I've always been more of a responder than a topic starter so if no one is making comments then I'll have nothing to say. Especially when I can be playing Mario instead!

Earlier in the thread, I made a comment about this being the best game within the past ten years as a sort of joke-hype, but I would actually say it turns out to be true. It's way better than Zelda BotW for starters, but I don't think any other game I've played in the past decade has had the same breadth of variety and creativity as this game. It manages to blend new ideas with existing ones such that it feels fresh and familiar at the same time, a culmination of all the best parts of Mario without feeling like a rehash. Mario's movement versatility in Odyssey is the best it's been since Sunshine, I originally underestimated just how well he can get around in this game but after learning the tricks just finding ways to get through a world is fun. Like any game it isn't perfect, but it's every bit as good as the best Mario games of their times.

I wouldn't worry too much at the number of days people took to complete the story, for a variety of reasons. First, it doesn't tell you the number of hours people actually put into it, and second, there are plenty of moons you can't get until you complete the story. To me, the length of the story portion feels the longest of any 3D Mario game thus far, and that wasn't even a third of my total play time so far. If you try to collect every available moon in a kingdom before moving on to the next one, you'll certainly be at it a while.

I think one difference between this and Zelda BotW is the time that the hype had to build. We've known about BotW for years before it actually came out, and it was the first all-new main Zelda game in six years. Conversely, Odyssey was revealed about a year before it came out, though we didn't see much of it until later. And there had been no shortage of new Mario games on Wii U and 3DS. With that in mind, I could see more people rushing out to get Zelda on release rather than Mario.
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Post by: nickmitch on November 15, 2017, 02:32:05 PM
For me, I want to finish the game and dive into the spoiler thread.  With Zelda, it felt more like we were all playing together, sharing tips and discoveries, so the conversations were easier.

Also, this game is fucking up my sleep schedule.  It doesn't help I've been working 10-14 hour days. :(
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Post by: Khushrenada on November 15, 2017, 04:17:19 PM
I'm also surprised at the lack of discussion for this masterpiece. Now I know you can (and will) blame me for that, but I've always been more of a responder than a topic starter so if no one is making comments then I'll have nothing to say. Especially when I can be playing Mario instead!

I get that. There have been times I've felt the creative juices flowing through me but no new posts were being made to give me material to work with. At the same time, there are moments where I have meant to post more but it's just easier to think something rather than spend the time to type it out. With Zelda, because of the different experiences people could have based on how they played and travelled, it was kind of more personal making everyone's thoughts and adventures kind of personal even if you'll all end up seeing a lot of the same stuff eventually.

However, you may have something about the length of hype train. I think Mario 3D World kind of went through the same thing premiering at E3 and then realizing later that fall although people were less excited by its initial premiere and warmed up to it by its release yet I feel like it seemed to get more of a reaction or have people talk a bit more about it then what has happened with Odyssey. Of course, not having a Switch or having played the game I guess I'm part of the problem in limiting Odyssey discussion whereas Zelda was released on both Wii U and Switch allowing for more options to have people play it at the same time.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 15, 2017, 07:51:22 PM
Personally I still think BOTW is a superior game, but Odyssey is still fantastic, I think the lack of discussion, like stated before is that BOTW was more about discovery, everything someone found seemed like a big discovery that they wished to share with others. It was like being an explorer just waiting to share your newest discovery, and when you have a game as epic and as wide open with BOTW you are going to have a longer, more interesting discussion. Mario games, on the other hand seem less community oriented and more personal.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on November 18, 2017, 09:20:44 PM
Well after 3 weeks my Odyssey is finally over.  All objectives completed and maxed out my moons with 999.  The game was pretty awesome like I expected from Tokyo EAD.  It kind of reminded me of Wario Ware in a way with just the huge amount of different styles of gameplay it had all over each map.  The game never got old because of this and why it was so easy to just get completely addicted each night since I was always discovering something new and couldn't stop myself.

Of course the comparison to Wario Ware lead to my only real complaint, a lot of gameplay sections are kind of shorter then I would have liked.  Especially with some of the more linear platforming sections, right when the action starts to pick up the area is done and doesn't reach it's full potential I feel.  This is why I wouldn't mind an Odyssey 2 that's like Galaxy 2 and increases the complexity in it's level design and gameplay.  The game has a ton of great concepts and the controls are top notch, so I'd love to see Nintendo really go all out with what this style of Mario can do like Galaxy 2 did with many of Galaxy 1's concepts.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 18, 2017, 09:34:15 PM
I'm still really early in the game, but I've definitely been getting that impression too. Like you said it's a lot like Super Mario Galaxy in that it touches on a lot of different ideas, which is great because nothing ever overstays its welcome, but some things feel like they could have been fleshed out more.
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Post by: lolmonade on November 20, 2017, 05:59:03 AM
This game has been pure fun for me.  The frequency of the moons and how segmented each objective is in the level despite the levels being more expansive than the last couple of Mario games makes it great for someone like me who might have a spare 30 minutes a day right now to play this game. 


There are definitely some levels that are duds though, IMO.  Though to the games' benefit so far, if you're not feeling good about a world you're playing in, it's really easy to critical path your way to bounce to the next one.


Finally - the face Mario makes in menu when you put the selection on the save option makes me laugh each time.  Delightful.
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Post by: Phil on November 20, 2017, 07:17:46 PM
I think so many beat Super Mario Odyssey over opening weekend was twofold: 1) It's rather easy to do the bare minimum story-related Power Moons and some other things and beat the game quickly, and 2) This was it for me, I didn't want to ending spoiled since it was getting hyped upon the game's leak.

It ended up taking me about 45 hours to get every mission-related Power Moon in the game, and by the time I initially reached the ending, I had only a fraction of the total amount available. The post-game is immense with added Power Moons to collect in previous kingdoms, the already visited kingdoms have anywhere from 20-something to 90-something Power Moons to find in the first place (everywhere seems to be a new point of interest to investigate for a Moon), the platforming challenges are enjoyable, and while the game never gets Grandmaster Galaxy or Champions Road level of difficulty, it's a fun journey for the most part.


Things like certain assists with moves and capture abilities being motion control only hurt, and many of the Power Moons don't have much to them. They're simple challenges that most kingdoms seem to have, such as catch this rabbit, find Captain Toad, ground pound this specific spot, get this dog to dig up a Power Moon, and so forth.

Overall, however, between Super Mario Odyssey and Breath of the Wild, there's going to be a fight in my mind to choose which game to pick for my game of the year.
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Post by: lolmonade on November 21, 2017, 05:28:31 AM
Overall, however, between Super Mario Odyssey and Breath of the Wild, there's going to be a fight in my mind to choose which game to pick for my game of the year.


In my opinion, it comes down to whether you reward innovation (Zelda) or refinement of a master-class franchise (Mario).  I wouldn't blame anyone for making either choice.
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Post by: Evan_B on November 22, 2017, 10:26:51 PM
Fact: Odyssey is better than Galaxy
Fact: Odyssey 2 will be better than Galaxy 2
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 23, 2017, 12:31:52 AM
This is true. And I really like Galaxy.
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 23, 2017, 09:02:14 AM
I still vote Breath of the Wild for game of the year, but I won't be disappointed if Odyssey wins. Anything else will be a crime, though. It's a shame that PUBG is even being considered, game of the year is about a quality game, not a popularity contest.
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: lolmonade on November 28, 2017, 06:20:23 AM
I still vote Breath of the Wild for game of the year, but I won't be disappointed if Odyssey wins. Anything else will be a crime, though. It's a shame that PUBG is even being considered, game of the year is about a quality game, not a popularity contest.


If PUBG wins GOTY for any publication, all it means is that they gauge GOTY based more on how much fun they personally had than the quality of the game itself.  I don't personally have a problem with THAT - intent of a game is to have fun, right?


Giant Bomb has been not subtly implying that they would seriously give their GOTY to PUBG, which makes sense both from the fact they're straddling the middle ground between gaming news and gaming personalities, and they played a LOT of the game through the year, much like they did last year with Hitman. 


I don't think there's much sanctity in gaming "news" outlets anymore, but if they are ones trying to take themselves seriously, I don't think PUBG has an argument for that spot.
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: Adrock on November 28, 2017, 09:48:46 AM
Does Game of the Year really matter?

It’s a nice marketing buzzword, every company would take it. For Nintendo, I’m sure, more than anything, they’re glad Zelda and Mario worked out so well for Switch, and it has a template for launching consoles in the future. Overwhelming people with great content is critical in the first year. The bar has been set pretty high though.

Personally, I think Breath of the Wild is the better game even though Super Mario Odyssey has kept me far more engaged and ready to return to its world. Since progression is much more quantifiable in Odyssey, it’s easier for me and my gaming habits to stick with it. I can play for an hour and feel like I accomplished a lot whereas I need hours to feel that way in Breath of the Wild. I don’t always have several consecutive hours to devote to gaming, often because I’m busy begrudgingly dealing with real responsibilities and sometimes because I don’t have it in me at the moment.

It should be noted that I felt Zelda is far greater need of a change and that is playing a major role in my opinion of it. No other game has filled me the same sense of wonder which can’t be understated. I don’t want to take anything away from Odyssey as there’s still plenty of wonder. Even though I would have been happy with a mere sequel, I’ll gladly take the most refined 3D Mario I’ve ever played.
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: lolmonade on November 28, 2017, 10:34:19 AM
Does Game of the Year really matter?


No, not in the slightest.
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: Shaymin on November 28, 2017, 06:10:12 PM
If they did the Game of the Year stuff when they should (after 12/25 at the minimum, preferably in the next year) then we're not having this discussion, right?
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: ShyGuy on November 28, 2017, 06:33:59 PM
If they did the Game of the Year stuff when they should (after 12/25 at the minimum, preferably in the next year) then we're not having this discussion, right?

Early Thanksgiving, Early Game of the Year.
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: azeke on December 12, 2017, 07:22:57 PM
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: azeke on December 28, 2017, 03:14:42 AM
Nintendo of Russia has made this ad:


It's amazing.
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 28, 2017, 07:10:26 AM
That's pretty cool but also sad...I think?
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: azeke on December 28, 2017, 10:26:10 PM
That's pretty cool but also sad...I think?
Why.

I really-really love it. In 30 seconds they captured the tumultuous time right after the collapse so well and there are so many details that are so right, like the ugliest carpets on the walls, stupid boy-band posters, obligatory piano that seemingly everyone had back then for some reason to torture kids and neighbours.

You can even excuse artistic liberties like him playing videogames while at the post in the army.
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: Evan_B on January 14, 2018, 12:58:27 PM
Joseph Anderson posted a rather savage critical analysis of Odyssey that picks the game's "time-wasting bullshit" apart:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYJx5xt2cB0

It's rather lengthy, Anderson tends to err on the side of tediousness in order to prove his point, but I was curious to hear others' thoughts of this.
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: azeke on January 14, 2018, 07:58:19 PM
All videogames are time wasting bullshit.

News at eleven.
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: nickmitch on January 15, 2018, 12:02:14 PM
2 hours is a long time to waste on an incorrect opinion.

I did see one video about why the moons in the game were "worthless" with the gist being that you only need a small percentage of available moons to progress, and the moons you collected from previous levels have no bearing on whether or no you can progress during the story.  I thought the overall point was a bit asinine.
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: Evan_B on January 15, 2018, 05:16:17 PM
He has a point, however. Many of the Moons in the game require absolutely no usage of Mario’s movement options, making the game nothing more than a scavenger hunt with a number of ridiculous objectives.
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 15, 2018, 08:41:59 PM
He has a point, however. Many of the Moons in the game require absolutely no usage of Mario’s movement options, making the game nothing more than a scavenger hunt with a number of ridiculous objectives.

But most of those can be gotten pretty fast as you explore the world as you look for more advanced content which the game still has a lot of.  Many of these Moons being called time wasting bullshit are usually rewards for the player exploring the game and discovering something new, which I don't see a problem with for game that's suppose to be more exploration based.
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: Mop it up on January 16, 2018, 01:06:42 PM
All videogames are time wasting bullplop.
This is (just about) how I feel as well.
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: nickmitch on January 16, 2018, 03:32:18 PM
There are just too many moons in the game for me to be phased by a large number of them being easy to find.  If you're a completionist, the reward isn't going to come from each individual moon but from getting a wide swath of them.  And like Luigi Dude says, the easy ones are mostly rewards for exploring.  There's usually other stuff to do once you find the easy ones too.
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: Mop it up on February 26, 2018, 01:56:47 PM
Poor Luigi.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW8EKYlVQAACukW.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: Mop it up on March 02, 2018, 01:07:02 PM
Here is a photo I snapped with the new neon filter:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXQan3oVAAABHxw.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: Caterkiller on March 05, 2018, 10:44:04 AM
Hey I have 880 moons. I think I finished the typical last super hard level of 3D Mario games but I'm not sure. Is 880 it?
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: Mop it up on March 05, 2018, 11:15:51 AM
880 is the total number of unique moons across all of the lists, yes. To reach 999, you have to buy the rest from the shops.

Luigi's Balloon World is a great way to earn coins for those moons, and any remaining costumes you have left to buy.
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 13, 2018, 07:49:13 AM
So I finally just beat the game yesterday...well, I beat Bowser, I should say - and now I'm not so sure if I'd keep BotW as game of the year. I guess no one ever awards a tie, but if there were ever two games that deserve it, it would be BotW and Odyssey. The "final" possession you get to do is so awesome, and I actually laughed out loud a couple times during the cutscene that follows it. Hard to believe that I've only found around 1/3 of the moon and there are still more kingdoms to unlock.
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: Evan_B on May 13, 2018, 04:00:57 PM
I dunno. Whereas Korok Seeds are made as a sort of ancillary goal, something the player isn’t supposed to go out of their way to do but still has clever implementations throughout the world, Mario’s Power Moons are kind of haphazardly and lazily distributed across worlds, with only a fraction requiring real platforming skill and technique and even fewer being legitimately clever. It’s pretty disappointing in retrospect in ways that I feel Breath of the Wild succeeds at. And the latter of the two isn’t even a collect-a-thon platformer.
Title: Re: Super Mario Odyssey - No spoilers or I'll punch your face in!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 13, 2018, 05:39:40 PM
Yeah I'm not saying it's the amount of moons that makes it on-par with Zelda, it's just the whole experience of the game. Like, where the hell did Bowser get that dragon? Is it just a Dark Souls/Skyrim reference? Some of the 2D sections blew my mind too. Visually the game is pretty amazing, too. Makes me feel that they could have pushed BotW a little bit more (maybe adaptive resolution up to 1080p) on Switch.