Post by: notic on July 25, 2004, 09:33:01 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 25, 2004, 09:37:23 AM
Post by: GoldShadow1 on July 25, 2004, 11:15:47 AM
Post by: Jale on July 25, 2004, 11:21:34 AM
Post by: notic on July 25, 2004, 01:07:22 PM
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on July 25, 2004, 02:45:02 PM
Post by: Draygaia on July 25, 2004, 04:38:18 PM
I see it working if you can create your own worlds and have a dungeon master. Of coure play it like Four Swords.
Post by: bonestormer on July 25, 2004, 08:22:38 PM
BUT like hinted at above, I don't get how it will work? Prime doesn't have "normal" FPS controls unfortuently. It's based on a 'lock-on' system. How much fun can deathmatch be when you can lock onto someone and kill them without even trying? Well.... we'll see I guess.
Post by: Uglydot on July 25, 2004, 08:22:52 PM
"BUT like hinted at above, I don't get how it will work? Prime doesn't have "normal" FPS controls unfortuently. It's based on a 'lock-on' system. How much fun can deathmatch be when you can lock onto someone and kill them without even trying? Well.... we'll see I guess. "
Thing is, all of the weapons in metroid are delayed, you can do the dodge move, so there is still skill involved, just as much as when you fight a boss. I doubt Retro will let this out with a problem like that dogging it down.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 25, 2004, 08:42:38 PM
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on July 25, 2004, 11:23:01 PM
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No multiplayer was a complaint about MP1, so they addressed this. I see no point in it, but I do like it when companies listen to fans.
No, it was not because fans complained.
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GC Bloodworth: With the multiplayer, that’s a new thing for the Metroid series entirely. What led to the decision to do that? Was it a natural thing with what people are used to with first-person games or do you have some other creative ideas that you wanted to add to that?
Tanabe: You know actually, we wanted to have a multiplayer mode in the first Metroid Prime. However, we just didn’t have the time to do something that would be of sufficient quality. So our plan right from the beginning of Metroid Prime 2 was definitely to include a multiplayer factor. We also thought that’s something the fans wanted. That’s something we wanted to do as well.
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on July 26, 2004, 02:40:35 AM
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Does anyone else think that multiplayer Metroid is completely pointless and unnecessary? I think that unless they can do something that suits the style of the game - adventuring, upgrading, solving puzzles, etc - a multiplayer mode is a dumb idea. I just don't see any need for another deathmatch - there are already far too many FPS deathmatch games. Maybe if it was something along the lines of Four Swords, I'd be more interested - maybe.
Don't play the deathmatch mode, then. It's that simple. Deathmatch is just a nice add-on for those who are bored of single player, it's not a massive crucial part of Metroid Prime 2. I always welcome a multi-player mode to any game, it's something else to bust out at multi-player nights.
Post by: DrZoidberg on July 26, 2004, 04:17:08 AM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on July 26, 2004, 05:09:36 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldShadow1
Does anyone else think that multiplayer Metroid is completely pointless and unnecessary? I think that unless they can do something that suits the style of the game - adventuring, upgrading, solving puzzles, etc - a multiplayer mode is a dumb idea. I just don't see any need for another deathmatch - there are already far too many FPS deathmatch games. Maybe if it was something along the lines of Four Swords, I'd be more interested - maybe.
Note that I am unaware of any other such "FPS deathmatch games" that there are "too many" of on GCN.
Post by: Draygaia on July 26, 2004, 05:37:50 AM
So for MP2 we could feel a control more like Timesplitters 2 in multiplayer mode but a different one for single player mode.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 26, 2004, 07:56:23 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on July 26, 2004, 08:24:30 AM
Post by: ib2kool4u912 on July 26, 2004, 08:32:24 AM
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Thing is deathmatch is cool. But its really cool if its online. Now with no online you just kind of don't care. The controls aren't really FPS quality and when you lock on its like Link vs Link. Who will let their guard down first? It will probably be much worse than a deathmatch of the worse FPS ever.
I think i read somewhere that if you go into morph ball mode, you cant be locked onto. I thought that was a good idea, adding the whole "Do i want to be able to shoot someone but also get shot? or should I make it hard to hit me, but also very hard to hit someone else?". I'm not sure if this is true though, don't remember where i read it.
Post by: Berny on July 26, 2004, 10:28:04 AM
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Metroid isn't an FPS and if you want it to play like an FPS you aren't a Metroid fan and thus your opinion is worthless.
Ouch.
Harsh, but I agree 100%. The fact that they are spending any production time at all on a multiplayer mode just makes me sad. That time could be spent perfecting single player mode...although I really don't anticipate disappointment from Echoes.Post by: Draygaia on July 26, 2004, 10:37:17 AM
Post by: Qwerty on July 26, 2004, 12:05:40 PM
Post by: The Omen on July 26, 2004, 12:13:54 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 26, 2004, 02:08:04 PM
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As long as we dont end up with things like four swords, where it requires four poeple to play, then I'm fine.
I don't recall Four Swords ever needing four players...
Post by: Smashman on July 26, 2004, 04:49:31 PM
Post by: notic on July 26, 2004, 05:35:46 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on July 26, 2004, 07:28:49 PM
Post by: Cube_King on July 27, 2004, 10:11:07 PM
Post by: Urkel on July 27, 2004, 10:31:41 PM
See, when Prime 1 was first revealed to take place in first person, most fans freaked out. "Freaked out" is an understatement. It was more like "Oh no Retro is raping our beloved franchise! FPS? WTF!?! Burn in hell, Retro! Burn in heeeeellllllll!". All the Metroid fans KNEW Prime was going to suck. They KNEW that Metroid SHOULD have been a third-person action adventure. There was no way they could capture the "Metroid feel" in first-person, right?
Retro was smart to ignore the fans on that one. Instead of going with the potentially hazardous third-person shooter route, they went with what they knew worked. Now, they're adding a superfluous deathmatch mode because the fans asked for it, even though Retro probably knows it's not a good idea.
Am I saying developers should ignore gamer feedback? Absolutely not. But they should be smart enough to know when NOT to fulfill a request, when they know the request is unfeasible. They're going to get MORE complaints for the weak multiplayer mode than if they had just left it out.
It reminds of how Rare added pointless multiplayer modes to several N64 games just for the sake of having a multiplayer mode. JFG, DK64, Banjo-Tooie...
Before anyone calls me a hypocrite because I act like I know the multiplayer mode wont be anything special, I would like to point out the the E3 impressions were so-so, so it's not like I'm basing my opinion on nothing. I suppose anything could happen by the time the final product launches, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
The bottom line is, they're wasting time on a useless multiplayer mode that would be better spent on making the one player game more awesome.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 27, 2004, 11:38:18 PM
Good times, everyone.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 28, 2004, 05:38:39 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on July 28, 2004, 11:07:54 AM
I was one of those people that freaked out about Metroid Prime being 1st person, but I got the game anyways after word got out that it was't a 1stPerson Shooter. I never regretted buying the game, it didn't make me want to go out and buy actual 1st person shooters though.
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 28, 2004, 11:25:54 AM
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I don't play multiplayer games because I have no one to play with ;___;
Then buy the DS and play with me, nistu. ^_^
Post by: notic on July 29, 2004, 03:42:21 PM
Post by: Syl on July 29, 2004, 04:00:43 PM
They've been working on multiplayer since before the original prime, thats more than enough time to realize if its fun or not. I've been talking with some of retros staff (and exstaff), and none of the issues seem to have anything to do with multiplayer, I have faith in retro, they amazed the hell out of me before, i don't see why they won't do it again.
Of course, i suppose we'll find out on november 18th.
Post by: Rich on July 31, 2004, 09:11:21 PM
Post by: notic on August 02, 2004, 05:08:06 AM
Post by: Plugabugz on August 02, 2004, 10:00:08 AM
Considering Pikmin 2 has been on pre-order for over a year.....
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 02, 2004, 10:02:03 AM
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Is there anyone else like that guy who worked on good FPSs that are working in Retro now?
I don't know if they're still there, but I know there were some people at Retro who had worked on Doom, Quake, and Half Life.
Post by: Syl on August 02, 2004, 03:55:10 PM
this is a good article on the subject:
http://www.n-sider.com/articleview.php?articleid=325
Post by: nickmitch on August 02, 2004, 04:32:43 PM
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Good times, everyone.
Yeah, I like that show too.
Post by: OG_OriginalGamer on August 02, 2004, 08:47:56 PM
Picture this, your playing free for all. You catch a player off guard, he or she is attacking another player. You approach them from behind and you unleash a powerbomb. The powerbomb doesn't destroy them, but their energy light is blinking. He or she goes into morphball mode to avoid an imminent death, and search for energy.
How about someone is grappling across an area, you spot them and fire a lock on missile or a Chargebeam combo. Knocking them down.
I think there's so many unique scenarios that can occur when the different concepts of Samus world and weapons that lend them to unique level designs as well.
Post by: Plugabugz on August 06, 2004, 01:27:31 AM
For anyone in the UK, MP2 is now available to pre-order for £29.99 (Free P&P) at Play.
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
A release date of December 1st 2004 is being touted.
