Post by: Mumei on July 09, 2004, 07:51:56 PM
Does anyone else like the idea of being able to upgrade the Master Sword? It wouldn't necessarily have to conflict with the plot; it could be an extra option and in the "official" story, Link wouldn't have done the upgrade. But it could be there for people who wanted the option.
Post by: Forte on July 09, 2004, 09:30:42 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on July 09, 2004, 10:33:49 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 09, 2004, 10:47:21 PM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on July 10, 2004, 03:23:00 AM
Post by: Mumei on July 10, 2004, 05:34:25 AM
Also, play ALttP again if you don't believe that it had the Master Sword. I played through it last week, and it does have the Master Sword.
The Wind Waker did not truly upgrade the Master Sword. It took a very weak version of the Master Sword and brought it to the normal level. If you had truly upgraded the Master Sword in the Wind Waker, it would be 4 times as strong.
Post by: Gibdo Master on July 10, 2004, 09:35:02 AM
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Originally posted by: AiAi
IIRC, there was no Master Sword in LttP.
GOOD LORD! ALttP was the first game to have the Master Sword. Jeez.
Post by: Forte on July 10, 2004, 10:35:31 AM
Post by: Mumei on July 10, 2004, 11:34:54 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 10, 2004, 12:26:05 PM
LINK! DEFEATER OF THE SAXONS!
Post by: Mumei on July 10, 2004, 12:40:45 PM
Bravely bold Sir Robin, rode forth to Camelot.
He was not afraid to die, O Brave Sir Robin.
He was not at all afraid to be killed in nasty ways.
Brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Robin!
He was not in the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp,
Or to have his eyes gouged out, and his elbows broken.
To have his kneecaps split, and his body burned away,
And his limbs all hacked and mangle, brave Sir Robin!
His head smashed in and his heart but out,
And his lover removed and his bowels unplugged,
And his nostrills raped and his bottom burned of,
And his....
Yes, I ended it a word early...
Post by: Coarse_Limely on July 10, 2004, 02:30:20 PM
Given the current theology in the Zelda games, it is a bit odd that Link carried a Crucifix-bearing shield in the first title, but that's just hind-sight now.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 10, 2004, 02:58:11 PM
Minstrel: "Tooooo FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT, ANNNNNNND--....."
Post by: Mumei on July 10, 2004, 07:14:02 PM
Bravely ran away, away.
When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly, he chickened out. Bravely taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin.
He is packing it in and packing it up
And sneaking away and buggering up
And chickening out and pissing off home,
Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge.
. So.. no one else cares about the Golden Sword/ upgrading the Master Sword thingy?
Post by: salvorhardin on July 10, 2004, 07:53:28 PM
Post by: Mumei on July 10, 2004, 09:53:36 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on July 10, 2004, 10:20:52 PM
When you get a new sword in the 3D games they look quite a bit different from each other. Even in MM when the sword is upgraded it looks completely different, but you can't really change the look of the Master Sword because it wouldn't really be the Master Sword anymore. They worked around this by downgrading the Master Sword in the beginning of WW.
Post by: Mumei on July 10, 2004, 10:30:05 PM
Post by: Link_Up on July 11, 2004, 12:33:52 AM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on July 11, 2004, 12:38:56 AM
Post by: salvorhardin on July 11, 2004, 07:02:40 AM
Post by: Mumei on July 11, 2004, 08:10:14 AM
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Originally posted by: Link_Up
So, Mumie, you're talking of upgrading it like in Soul Calibur 2, stronger sword, shorter reach, longer reach, weaker sword, right? Still i think that having different swords has a point. You can't change the Master Sword, 'cause then it wouldn't be THE Master sword anymore, but if you want a stronger sword in OoT, just use the Giant's Knife/Biggoron's sword.
I take it you haven't played ALttP, have you? I am not talking about anything close to Soul Calibur 2, and this wouldn't be anything new for the series. They have already had a game where you could upgrade the Master Sword. And if they had the Golden Sword in the game, you could have a sword that is twice as powerful as the Biggoron's Sword, allows you to shoot beams at full health, and allows you to use a shield. Translation: Bad***
.Oh and about the 2x as strong as the Biggoron's Sword:
In ALttP, the Fighter Sword is 1x, Master Sword is 2x, Tempered Sword is 4x, and Golden Sword is 8x.
In OoT, the Kokiri Sword is 1x, Master Sword is 2x, and Biggoron's Sword is 4x.
So each sword is twice as powerful as the previous. And for all intents and purposes, the Golden Sword is far, far, far superior to any of the two-handed swords.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 11, 2004, 11:41:44 AM
Post by: Mumei on July 11, 2004, 05:57:53 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 11, 2004, 06:07:28 PM
Post by: Link_Up on July 12, 2004, 02:43:18 AM
But i guess you are right that there should be different one-handed weapons so that you can still use a shield. More like MM, but still being able to switch back to previous swords.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 12, 2004, 06:36:48 AM
Post by: Mumei on July 12, 2004, 07:24:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Link_Up
Well, mumei, i have played AlttP all the way to the end, and the only thing i noticed about upgrading your weapon was a different color and a stronger hit. What i meant was that there should be only 1 real master sword, and that you should be able to switch between different weapons like in OoT.
But i guess you are right that there should be different one-handed weapons so that you can still use a shield. More like MM, but still being able to switch back to previous swords.
But it would already be the one real Master Sword... All you are doing is making it stronger. And the Golden Sword could kill almost all normal enemies in one hit
. But I don't see why it is a problem to have the option to upgrade the Master Sword.Post by: Gibdo Master on July 12, 2004, 07:56:18 AM
Post by: Link_Up on July 12, 2004, 11:17:39 AM
You see, ever since OoT's Master Sword, there has been made shall we say "a standard" of what the Master Sword should look like. I don't want Ninty to screw this by making the golden sword something completely different than the Master Sword it has been made of. But i guess we both understand eachother now, right?
Post by: Jale on July 12, 2004, 12:14:56 PM
Maybe you should be able to imbue your blade with certain powers!
Fire- Blade burns and gem is red, sears foes, v. effective against woodland beasts, useless against water beasts.
Water - blade takes on a more bluey sheen, blue gem, good against fire, bad against wood, can be used underwater
Wood - Blade turns into wood, green gem, good against water, useless against fire, can be used like deku sticks (blade grows back)
Shadow - Blade turns black, purple gem, bad against fire, certain enemies only hurt by this
Spirit - Blade turns Yellow, Orange gem, kills ghosts with one hit, super effective against all weak normal enemies
Light - Blade burns with white fire and grows longer. Gem is White. Kills all with one hit.
At least then the people giving you their help in OoT would make sense.
Edit: Made some rubbish JPEGs of what the swords might look like. Check em out
. They are arranged in suggested abtainment order.Normal Sword
Forest Sword
Fire Sword
Water Sword
Shadow Sword
Spirit Sword
Evil's Bane: The Blessed Master Sword
Post by: Mumei on July 12, 2004, 02:16:29 PM
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Originally posted by: Link_Up
Can't argue with that, mumei, only thing i DO want is that IF they re-introduce the golden sword, you should still be able to see it is the Master Sword, not making it look more like the Gilded Sword.
You see, ever since OoT's Master Sword, there has been made shall we say "a standard" of what the Master Sword should look like. I don't want Ninty to screw this by making the golden sword something completely different than the Master Sword it has been made of. But i guess we both understand eachother now, right?
I'd never want them to change the hilt; that is actually the coolest part, in my opinion... It just wouldn't be the Master Sword without that trademark hilt.
Post by: Jale on July 12, 2004, 09:34:11 PM
I like the hilt. That's why I made the more spectacular powers come from the gem and the trforce rather than engulf the whole thing.
Post by: Mumei on July 13, 2004, 01:55:34 AM
So I got ALttP after OoT, and I guess I saw what I wanted to see ^_^;;.
Post by: Jale on July 13, 2004, 10:36:09 AM
Post by: Mumei on July 13, 2004, 10:42:20 AM
Post by: Jale on July 13, 2004, 10:48:17 AM
