Post by: notic on July 06, 2004, 05:57:58 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 06, 2004, 06:01:13 PM
"Did this ever happen before in a Nintendo game?"
This happens with almost EVERY Ninty game...
Post by: notic on July 06, 2004, 06:16:14 PM
I hope that there is a lot more flying in sm128. Remember the good times doing the tripple jump and guiding Mario as he flew through the air? I also hope the cape comes back and there are more secret levels to access by flying, having certain powerups, whatever.
Post here what you'd like to see or what you think is the big idea in sm128
Post by: theRPGFreak on July 06, 2004, 08:39:12 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 06, 2004, 09:16:23 PM
I hope they bring back the old items (mushroom, flower, feather but not that whole SMB3 overkill) and damage model. Oh, and of course the checkpoints, so you don't have to start all over again if you die.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 06, 2004, 09:39:29 PM
Post by: Mario on July 07, 2004, 01:23:52 AM
It doesn't exist
Post by: jmoe316 on July 07, 2004, 07:14:30 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 07, 2004, 09:46:45 AM
Post by: notic on July 07, 2004, 01:38:56 PM
That would add another dimention to sm128 since their's three ways of playing
n foot, underground, or in the skies.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 07, 2004, 02:01:58 PM
Luigi's Mansion. They had to keep it super secret so that other companies wouldn't steal their innovative "no replay value" design. It seems to have worked because no one has!
With Mario 128 I want to see a full 3D Mario game (no fixed camera angles) that isn't just a fetch-quest and feels like the classic 2D Mario games. That's going to be hard to pull off but I think if anyone could do it it would be Nintendo. The best way to do this would be to make levels smaller and have only one or two objectives each (ie: one regular exit and one secret one). Instead of finding useless crap you explore the overworld to find new levels. The Bowser stages in Mario 64 and the super hard "Secret of" stages in Mario Sunshine are a good template to work from.
As for innovation I'm a little worried about taking it too far. Mario Sunshine tried to be innovative by giving Mario a permanent water pack and having objectives based on cleaning up paint. It was innovative but it wasn't all that fun and didn't seem like a natural addition to the Mario formula. It seemed like change for the sake of change which I don't like.
Post by: notic on July 07, 2004, 02:11:20 PM
Post by: Smashman on July 07, 2004, 03:11:38 PM
SM128 better come out for GC next year, cuz if it doesn't, I am going to cry (no more systems for me) JK
Post by: notic on July 07, 2004, 03:31:08 PM
What are HAL Labs working on right now?
Post by: GoldShadow1 on July 07, 2004, 04:23:36 PM
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I don't really see a point for a SM128 thread since we have absolutely no info on it what-so-ever...
But speculating is fun.
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With Mario 128 I want to see a full 3D Mario game (no fixed camera angles) that isn't just a fetch-quest and feels like the classic 2D Mario games. That's going to be hard to pull off but I think if anyone could do it it would be Nintendo. The best way to do this would be to make levels smaller and have only one or two objectives each (ie: one regular exit and one secret one). Instead of finding useless crap you explore the overworld to find new levels. The Bowser stages in Mario 64 and the super hard "Secret of" stages in Mario Sunshine are a good template to work from.
I agree, that would be excellent. The linear stages in SMS were great. A whole game of linear levels (though with actual backgrounds grounded in earth) would be amazing. I want it extremely difficult, clever and addictive.
As for power-ups, I want power-ups that compliment the gameplay, not ones that are different to the point where they become a mini-game (like flying in SM64 - it was fun, sure, but only to a point). Fireballs, feathers/leaves/capes (to float, not to fly), hammers and whatever else would be fun.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 07, 2004, 04:31:58 PM
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I hope Nintendo spends more time on it and releases it for its next system because a new Mario game as a launch title for the Revolution or whatever it is will be wiser, to bring back the tradition. I hope Retro Studios and Nintendo will work extremely hard on their next Metroid and Zelda games for the next console.
What are HAL Labs working on right now?
I want Retro to work on a new game...particularly Raven Blade...
As for HAL, they are working on Mario Party 6 (great news for the series), Mother 3, and are also rumored to be working on the next Kirby console game...
Post by: notic on July 07, 2004, 04:40:54 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on July 07, 2004, 06:50:58 PM
Post by: MattVDB on July 07, 2004, 07:05:17 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 07, 2004, 07:18:13 PM
And from what I remember, Raven Blade wasn't really cancelled but put on hold while Retro went through rehabilitation...
As for Geist, there's info all over the place if you look for it...
Post by: MattVDB on July 07, 2004, 07:25:30 PM
Are Hudson and Hal possibly related? I hadn't heard that, but that could explain some confusion *while adding a ton more*
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 07, 2004, 07:46:13 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on July 07, 2004, 08:09:11 PM
Post by: Cube_King on July 07, 2004, 08:17:02 PM
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As for HAL, they are working on Mario Party 6 (great news for the series), Mother 3, and are also rumored to be working on the next Kirby console game...
Why do HAL even bother with Kirby titles?
Post by: Mario on July 07, 2004, 08:44:07 PM
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Luigi's Mansion. They had to keep it super secret so that other companies wouldn't steal their innovative "no replay value" design. It seems to have worked because no one has!
Luigi's Mansion, no replay value, are you insane? Luigi's Mansion is one of the most replayable games of all time, i've completed the game 8 times, just for fun, I can't say that about many other games.
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Why do HAL even bother with Kirby titles?
Because Kirby games rock, and people buy them?
Post by: Ian Sane on July 07, 2004, 08:57:16 PM
No I'm Ian Sane. Slight spelling difference.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 08, 2004, 03:43:41 AM
Wot? Maybe because HAL is the developer that came up with Kirby?
Post by: Infernal Monkey on July 08, 2004, 03:58:31 AM
I still wanna play Kirby Air Ride one day. I wanna know why Nintendo didn't add a 's after Kirby in that games title, either. It's very annoying, makes me go to the angry dome.
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on July 08, 2004, 04:59:25 AM
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"Hmmm has Nintendo ever made a game that was as covered up as this one?"
Luigi's Mansion. They had to keep it super secret so that other companies wouldn't steal their innovative "no replay value" design. It seems to have worked because no one has!
I thought Luigi's Mansion had okay replay value...I borrowed it from my friend for three days, and was able to beat it on the second night. All of a sudden I'm introduced to "Harder Better Super Mode" or whatever...I never played it, though, as I returned it the next day, but that's gotta count for something, no?
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 08, 2004, 05:42:52 AM
HAL is making the next Mario Party? If so, I may very well get it. I haven't bought one since 2 (and I didn't buy 1
), but my friend has four and five. Four isn't that great, and though five is fun the board actually has too many event spaces. It takes forever. Also, not enough awesome games like Penguin Stampede.I replayed Luigi's Mansion once. It hasn't got awesome replay for me, but it's not bad.
Post by: Mario on July 08, 2004, 08:55:46 AM
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I still wanna play Kirby Air Ride one day. I wanna know why Nintendo didn't add a 's after Kirby in that games title, either. It's very annoying, makes me go to the angry dome.
Do you wonder why Mario Tennis isn't called Mario's Tennis too?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 08, 2004, 11:26:54 AM
Post by: notic on July 08, 2004, 02:22:53 PM
Back to SM128. I just thought of something. If Mario somehow shrinks in the game inside an average house and was able to use a plumbing tool kit or something, there could be levels where he'd have to fix separated pipes so he can continue to the next area, or turn giant knobs to fill up a sink to swim out of it or w/e. Also the use of a plunger would allow Mario to (say if there was a level with shrunken Mario and he's in a bathroom) be able to choose different routes to the goal or completely different levels such as the bathtub (he'd use his plunger to pluck out the cork in the hole and drain himself in it), if he wanted to take the toilet route he'd do that pounding jump on the switch and jump in the swirling water and down the toile, and if he wanted to take the sink route, he'd hop down the drain. There would be more stuff about plumbing and sewers and stuff that makes it very faithful to the Mario Bros. game. Also imagine all the levels outside the house! Mario exits the house through a small crack in the window and runs into an antfarm then there would be an antfarm level with dirt mounds and small hills as platforms and then entering the holes in an antfarm to discover a queen ant and then a boss battle begins. That would be so sick all these levels that I'm thinking of. If Mario was in a sandbox there would be a pseudo desert level with those ball-worms that were in previous Mario games. Tell me some of your ideas and what you think of mine.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 08, 2004, 02:52:51 PM
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Post by: KDR_11k on July 08, 2004, 11:15:05 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on July 09, 2004, 02:19:02 AM
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Do you wonder why Mario Tennis isn't called Mario's Tennis too?
Actually, no.. oooooooh.. I do now.
Post by: DrZoidberg on July 09, 2004, 04:56:38 AM
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I also found out there's a Mario pinball game for the DS I think.
If by found out you mean read e3 news.
Post by: notic on July 09, 2004, 05:05:35 AM
Post by: DrZoidberg on July 09, 2004, 05:12:01 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 09, 2004, 06:44:56 AM
Post by: notic on July 14, 2004, 05:27:27 AM
I think the concept of Luigi's Mansion actually WAS copied. Remember the game Fatal Frame (PS2)? I think it's the same thing except you capture ghosts with a camera and not a vacuum. I'm glad it didn't get good reviews. Buncha copycats.
Post by: Mumei on July 14, 2004, 05:54:33 AM
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I'm not sure but that 2D Mario game for the DS looks pretty hot.
I think the concept of Luigi's Mansion actually WAS copied. Remember the game Fatal Frame (PS2)? I think it's the same thing except you capture ghosts with a camera and not a vacuum. I'm glad it didn't get good reviews. Buncha copycats.
I think the basic concept was similar, but the games aren't similar at all. And both games have an average rating of about 80%+. I don't see how they copied, the only real similarity is the ghosts and the way that the games play is different.
And the DS Mario game looks very cool.
