Post by: Windwaker on February 07, 2003, 05:46:04 PM
I recently read (http://www.gamecubenetwork.com/#2270) that Mr. Miyamoto said that the new Zelda for Gamecube has already been started.
Question for all ya'll Zelda fans:
What do you want in the next Zelda game?
What should they get rid of from Zelda games?
Thanks for reading...may the Tri-Force be with thee,
WindWaker
Post by: UberFlop on February 07, 2003, 05:53:02 PM
However, I don't think that Nintendo should release a realistic looking Zelda game until the next-generation system. One reason is that the graphics could be greatly improved over what we sat at SpaceWorld 2000, which I think we all agree was pretty fantastic itself. Another is that it could be optimized again to improve upon many other aspects, such as level design, sound, and length of the adventure. One thing I'm really hoping for is a long Zelda game, at least longer than Ocarina of Time or Majora's Mask.
Post by: Dr Synthetic on February 07, 2003, 06:11:08 PM
I was very displeased with the SpaceWorld 2000 Zelda footage. It looked cheesy to me, the characters looked plastic and fakish. Sure, they aren't real, but changing Zelda into just another game starring a guy with a sword isn't exactly the method they should take.
I'm pleased with Zelda GC, and look forward to the next one not just being the GC version of Majora's Mask (hopefully).
And Adult Link can stay on the shelf.
Post by: Attrox on February 07, 2003, 07:29:22 PM
Post by: Nile Boogie on February 07, 2003, 07:53:06 PM
Post by: LiveGame on February 07, 2003, 08:01:47 PM
Post by: RahXephon on February 07, 2003, 08:16:30 PM
Post by: GoldShadow on February 07, 2003, 09:37:24 PM
Anyway, I was thinking an interesting new design would be a 2D side-scrolling Zelda, or at least partially, in the style of Zelda II or the latest Castlevania games. I think it could be interesting. You'd have a control system that allows for more fast-paced, difficult battle systems without z-targeting. You could do cool sword moves, and still keep all the classic Zelda weapons. Hmm.
Realistically, though, expect the next Zelda game to be another cel-shaded adventure, similar to Majora's Mask compared to OoT, featuring the same Link character. Why let such a nice engine go to waste?
Post by: Koopa Troopa on February 08, 2003, 06:23:00 AM
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I heard about this earlier today too, and hey, I'll buy any Zelda game Nintendo decides to throw at me. One thing I hope they decide to do with this one though is have some high resolution graphics, instead of the cel-shading technology. Graphics as the same calibur of the ones we saw in Metroid Prime would be great.
A "High Resolution" doesn't have anything to do with the style of the graphics.
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but i can promise it wont be cel-shading this time, i read it some where or another that he wants to take the series into a NEW direction.
I don't think he was referring to "Graphics" when he said that. It would be foolish to throw out the WW Engine after only one use, especially considering it probably took a good year, to two years to create it.
Post by: Rellik on February 08, 2003, 12:39:38 PM
Often, having too much action in a game just serves to make you want to stop playing it, frustrate you, and trivialize the whole process. It can be pretty hard to have fun and enjoy the game when you're trying to fight for your life; of course, this has a place, but I think the action-aspect should stay moderate.
I don't see how you can think the SW00 footage didn't look good, but whatever. I like both now, although I like cel-shading a little more. The graphics type, not that it matters that much, that I'd like to see in the next game is cel-shaded. However, cel-shading that is more dramatic; with more complex shading, and harsher edges and smoother curves and all that.
As for gameplay, I want both linearity and non-linearity. I like linearity in the sense that you're not just loose to see what you feel like doing, and you can choose what you want to do it doesn't really matter (that's why I stopped playing Chrono Trigger when it became non-linear, as much as I loved the game) and you actually have a strong sense of direction and plot and what's going on. But I also like there to be many ways to accomplish the same thing; and many different options that will each lead in a definite and planned direction. So...
I'd also like to see less gimickry in the next Zelda. There's no reason why the whole game has to be focused on wind, or sailing, or batons... just make it all good, and it'll be good. I mean, of course there should be more than just running around with the same weapons and adventuring and stuff, but it doesn't all need to be based around the same thing.
Post by: Windwaker on February 08, 2003, 07:11:05 PM
What I do NOT like about Zelda:
*That I wasn't able to get the Triforce in Zelda OOT...lol, I beet that game inside out, outside out, upside down, every way posible but I couldn't freaking get the Triforce. I know it was meant to be that way, but I would have crapped in my pants if they would have made it posible to get it.
*Chee, this is hard, no wonder people didn't write much.
What I would like in the next Zelda game:
*This is going to sound wierd, but I want a multiplayer. Not like Shooter game multiplayers. I want something simple, something like "The 4 Swords" for Zelda "Link to the Past" on Gameboy Advance. That was soooo fun and simple.
*About the graphics, I would like a Space world type Zelda game, but I'm sure Miyamoto-Zan is going to blow our minds AGAIN with the next Zelda. It would be cool for him to do a semi cel shaded, the Space World Link cel shaded.
*That Zelda would actually be playable, to have part in the game. Not a big part, just a little something..I mean the game is named after her.
Well, I'll be back with more later. But for now I'll leave you with a little something to brighten your day:
Usefull things to do with your Xbox or PS2:
*) Ps2 makes a great stand to put your Gamecube on.
*) X-box's are so big they make good targets for people learning how to shoot.
*) If someone is breaking into your house you can throw your x-box at them and it will knock them out.
*) Ps2's make lovely bottle rocket launchers.
*) If you stand on your x-box in a crowd you can see where you want to go.
*) You can smash it to tiny peices and make a Mario model.
*) You put your Xbox a better use (not that anybody of you own one), take the Xbox apart and make yourself a computer instead..it comes with the Windows 2000 kernel already installed
*) There is never the need for sleeping pills anymore, just wait for your XBox/PS2 to load your game!
More XBOX possibilities:
*) You can put wheels on it, and safely fit an entire family inside.
*) Garbage Compactor. Simply place on top, and watch it flatten.
*) Use one or two to weigh down your hot air balloon.
*) sell it to a gym, they can use them as weights for the barbells
More PS2 possiblities:
* Use as kickstand for a bike
* Cut out the empty space for a hard drive, and see how well it balances, or just fill it with pudding
* Try to play a 3 -4 player game without a multi tap, then cry
Here is what a PS2 fan boy said about the Gamecube, thought you would get a kick out of it.
"well, I think GC is relly going down in popularity because game stores are selling them for bout $150 and XBox and PS2 are going for $200. But dont get me wrong... I dont like XBox. I only like HALO for it! PS2 has more to offer. We have a network adapter, harddrive add-on, etc. thats just my oppinian!"
The wind blew and the Windwaker has taken off. I'm out
Post by: Nile Boogie on February 08, 2003, 08:17:45 PM
Since the "Wind" is a major part of this game, maybe another of the goddesses powers that created the Triforce will be the focus of the next game. You know, one of the other principle forces: "Fire" and "Nature". Neverthought, let me just get my hands on The Wind Waker!!!!
Post by: RahXephon on February 08, 2003, 09:48:36 PM
Post by: Rellik on February 09, 2003, 08:41:21 AM
But you've got the specifics all wrong!
See...
The Zelda would just take place in the far future, corrupted corporations and decrepit slums and lasers and spaceships and all, WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION! It just opens like any other Zelda game... Link is just there, he's a citizen of that time, just like he's a citizen of whatever time he lives in in the other games. They aren't all the same Link... and it doesn't have to be "Link is reborn" it's just that this Zelda takes place in the far future. So, Link is a street-smart rogue of sorts, although he has a more steady lifestyle and a stronger determination and is less vicious and more moral than his peers. His weapon (everyone in this future carries a weapon, gotta defend yourself in these harsh times!) is a sword, but a really high-tech one. Thinner than the master/normal Link sword, a little less shiny and a little darker, but still silver in color with cold blue on the sharp edges, with an assymetrical handle of some sort.
And Zelda would be the daugther of the big boss of a very large and extremely powerful corporation, although far less evil and corrupted than most. Gannondorf would be the young leader of a gang of theives and con-artists... you get the idea
. It should take place over multiple planets (gorons and zoras have their own planets). Epona would be his trusty fighter-ship...Basically, mix the classic Zelda gameplay and style and goodness with Skies of Arcadia Legends and Cowboy Bebop
!!!!
Post by: GoldShadow on February 09, 2003, 08:41:42 AM
Post by: uwvark on February 09, 2003, 08:56:15 AM
New Link, last in the series. Ganon is still dead from AoL. Link manipulates time again. Gets to go back to certain scenes from all the current Zeldas and help old Links out. There are various science fiction shows that have done this (e . Star Trek). All the old games are redone in brillant beautiful 3D.
For example say you warp back to a temple, you hear a beast bellowing. You go thru the temple and see past Link slaying Aquamentus from Loz Dungeon #1. As he goes to the next room and picks up the Triforce, he disappears and warps out. You, however, are still there and notice that as he touched the Triforce another cavern opened behind the pedastal. A whole new dungeon is down there that you never knew about. !!! Save past Links from dangers they never knew about. At the end it turns out to be another one of Ganon's crony wizards (not Agnahim) trying to revive him or whatever. His fortress, in the present, is the final level.
There are limitless possibilities to use for this. I think it would be insanely awesome. Comments?
Post by: Lao-tzu on February 09, 2003, 11:38:44 AM
Someone said this, but it cant be stressed enough. Level Design!! No more fire water ice stuff. Make temples what they actually are. Temples. Candle Lighting and scrolls, lots of secrets passages and cool tricks to go to the next area... not as much fighting, but more problem solving ala Indiana Jones.
Also, in the overworld area.... more fighting. Redesign the fighting system, and have it action packed- but still easy. Have all sorts of cool moves, and stuff..
I think it'd be cool (Al though maybe wouldn't work) to have the c-stick control the sword hand.. and you could actually parry like that..
(Not to mention the A=attack that changes depending on how your sward and how your joystick is being held) (and b=the same except defensive moves)
WHAT I DON'T WANT:
The same old. The same weapons?? NO. The same story?? NO. Why must we always have the same music, for that matter.
Yes, it was all good.... but new is good too.
Zelda didn't become so great by sticking to some preset design.
The best game, OoT of course, totally reinvented the way zelda, never mind other 3D adventure games, worked.
So enough with the '...but still retains many elements from the series."
Post by: Marcus Arillius on February 10, 2003, 07:31:38 AM
Damn....Now I really want a "future" zelda game. I'm more excited about that then the "Wind Waker." Time to start a petition.
Post by: RahXephon on February 11, 2003, 03:34:32 AM
Post by: RahXephon on February 11, 2003, 03:54:37 AM
We always thought terrorism existed and that it happened alot, but we never thought that somehting as large as Al Quida was out there, in every country.
Sorry to bring up terrorism, but it seemed to follow what i am saying.
My 2nd reason for a double post is i am interested in Link's character design, characters like Gandorf and Zelda could dress very modernly, but link is another story. Do we keep the tunic. This is also where i believe a story line would come in. Make the triforce much more important than it was. WE know there is religion behind it, so make it a world order. But bigger, and that is where the whole "Use Link to pull out the Master sword thing would come in. By the way we could have it really rusted, then done over to a futuristc sword, like someone said in an early post. The "tunic" could be part of the seremony, it doesn't have to be the same tunic, but a tunic none the less(green of course). We could even see some new make overs to it, gold trim and stuff. Heres what i really like though, lets give him so awsome boots. We could have a grazity effect which would let him walk vertically or upside down, and his here would fall towards the floor. Also maybe we could do some "dash attack" stuff like a better version of the boots from LttP. One more thing, he always has something to help him and explain stuff, fairies fortune tellers, owls, so I say give him a futuristic forearm band, theres your grapple hook right there. And upgrades will alow it to lift boulders and stuff. OK i am done, i wanna hear some feed back.
Post by: Rellik on February 11, 2003, 11:06:22 AM
I'm glad somebody suggested that futuristic thing.
If it was set in the future, I'd like to see it as a futuristic parallel of the Zelda formula. Ganondorf is the leader of the powerful crime-syndicate/gang that cooked up th is plan to kidnap the daughter of the president of the most powerful corporation in the solar system. Zelda is still the girly-girl that she's always been, but there are some very interesting possibilities for some incarnation of Sheik, like in OoT. It would be cool just to see this whole, detailed world full of corruption, where people have to abide the corporations just to stay alive, either that or join one of the many gangs/crime-syndicates on the different planets. And Link is only a bit more righteous than the verage degenerate, immoral citizen of that time, but he will soon learn that he's different the hard way.
The whole thing is parallel to the old Zelda games. I don't mean they have exactly the same everything only futurized, but it's still parallel. If there's any venue where realistic graphics could be used, it would be in this Zelda game of all Zelda games: the bleak skyscapes and fantastic but rusty technology would be perfect for dark, realistic and shady graphics. Of course, it wouldn't be ALL depressing, but on the whole I would like it to be a very bleak game.
Post by: Marcus Arillius on February 11, 2003, 05:49:39 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on February 11, 2003, 07:04:05 PM
I would like to see that one of the islands has been taken over by whoever the bad guy would be and that it is sort of like the Dark World in A Link to the Past. Lots of nasty zombie monsters, Poes, dark atmosphere, dead trees, nasty terrain, and maybe a swamp like Misery Mire.
As far as the dungeon set up goes I would rather it not be plain to the player that they have to go to x amount of dungeons and collect x amount of these in order to get into the last dungeon. I think this game should be more of a mystery and that Link has to do more investigating by talking to town's people, elders, and other things to figure out what to do next. Also as far as why you would have to go into a dungeon it would be for immediate advancement in the game. You would be able to use the main item you found in the dungeon and have to use it to advance to the next area. Like maybe there is an ancient door you need to get through but it won't open unless you use a special spell on an ancient scroll. You would have to find the scroll in some dungeon and that would be the big reward for fighting the boss.
It would be nice if Link could find armour upgrades that would change his appearance too. Nothing that would have him buried in armour to were you couldn't see him but it would be nice to maybe be able to get a mail shirt or something like that.
Finally I would like to see spells used a lot more in the next game. Something on the level of Adventure's of Link spell setup. You would still be able to get items and upgrade them but there would be a lot of spells that would be just as necessary and used as often as the items.
Post by: Windwaker on February 14, 2003, 01:52:09 PM
You start out in the regular Hyrule and do some quest which lead you to travel through time to like year 2100 and you can also go to like 1,000,000 BC. Kinda like in Chronno Trigger. That would rock, and you still keep the Zelda feel for all the people that wouldn't have it any other way. I really like the idea of ridding a dinosaur and in the same game riding a floating car or something futuristic
But thats never going to happen..maybe the dino part will, but the future car thing...I don't think so. 
hehe, this has turned out to be a pretty interesting post. Keep em suggestions coming.
Post by: Mike-OPN2000 on February 14, 2003, 02:12:36 PM
Post by: Super Mekman on February 15, 2003, 06:14:46 AM
It all seemed too desperate (lasers, cyber cars, neon lights, robots and such, smog, buildings that are too tall,) sounds like a different game all together.
Though then again coming from the right hands it could be a real kick.
...but it would most likely take away from the simplicity found in nearly ("MM") all Zelda games. That kind of simple nature that never "distracted" us from the fun.
Post by: RahXephon on February 15, 2003, 10:23:39 AM
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Post by: Marcus Arillius on February 16, 2003, 09:59:25 AM
Post by: The King of red Lions on February 16, 2003, 03:00:13 PM
You people are fools to even discuss "Spicing" thngs up in Zelda. I do not want Zelda to be set when machines rule the world and some kill people for a living(Terminator), god that would be stupid. Or even a present day mafia Zelda, that would be even more stupid. All Zelda games are fantasy games and they will stay fantasy games as long as people have imaginations and buy the games, which will be a lllloooooonnnnngggggggggg time.
Post by: RahXephon on February 16, 2003, 04:49:25 PM
Of course they could make a game with ZELDA as the main character. Now that i think of it it would be very cool to use zelda on the field. Alot better than an RPG idea. It could be a whole new twist to the game. Have a cool "the hunter has become the hunted" and show link being captured by some "goons". Next say "the foe has become the fear" and show some cool bad guys dragging link away. Then say, "Payback has arrived" or something less cheesy, and then show some clips of zelda in action. Oh yeah, playing as super foxxy Zelda would be sweet. the name, The legend of Zelda, the Princess' Trial.
Post by: Chode2234 on February 17, 2003, 10:14:49 AM
Post by: Demonhunter on February 19, 2003, 02:13:44 PM
Gannondorf finds the triforce again. Oh no. But TINGLE followed him and touches it first! Poof. The world turns a-la-San Fransico.
Heh heh...
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Post by: Windwaker on March 01, 2003, 05:22:40 PM
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I think a lot of what makes Zelda games great is the fact that they aren't futuristic games, that there seems some sense of fansasy. We all have wanted to live in Hyrule, go and talk to the villagers etc. I don't think it would be much fun to be in some futuristic world, that just doesnt sound like fun to me. I want to ride horses, shoot bows and arrows, walk in ancient temples, learn the secrets of yesterday and use them to complete tasks, find the forgotten. I love the mostly traditional fantasy elements.
Well, it would be cool, if they had one part of the game furturistic (ala Chronno Trigger). Something where you're in the destroyed future, where robots have taken over. You don't have to have flying cars and all the junk.
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Post by: Marcus Arillius on March 02, 2003, 05:46:57 PM
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he also said if he does an adult link again it would not feel right to him with cel shaded graphics so if this darker version has an adult link then it most likely will mean spaceworld graphics if not even better.
Thank God.
Post by: Gibdo Master on March 02, 2003, 06:11:43 PM
Also for clarification Miyamoto has not started working on the 2nd GC Zelda yet and therefore has not decided on whether the game would be darker or not Windwaker. Aonuma made this clear in the DICE interview. Wherever you read that from it was just a very bad interpretation of the DICE interview mixed with some fanboy wishful thinking.
Post by: Windwaker on March 03, 2003, 12:52:35 PM
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Also for clarification Miyamoto has not started working on the 2nd GC Zelda yet and therefore has not decided on whether the game would be darker or not Windwaker. Aonuma made this clear in the DICE interview. Wherever you read that from it was just a very bad interpretation of the DICE interview mixed with some fanboy wishful thinking.
Sorry Gibdo Master but I didn't hear it from the DICE interview, but from the Gamespot interview. Check it out, very interesting stuff.
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Post by: Gibdo Master on March 04, 2003, 06:31:14 PM
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Since we don't what's going to happen with Link in the next Zelda game, we don't necessarily know if [we're going to use cel shading for the next Zelda game]
I don't really see how that statement is saying they have already started on the new game. In the DICE interview they also talked about how the type of game the next Zelda would be would determine if it were cel-shaded or not. They went on to say that they wouldn't decide on what type of game the next one would be until sometime after they had gotten started on the next one.
Post by: dannyjclark on March 04, 2003, 07:20:17 PM
traditional zelda game, not futuristic (although it is a pretty sweet idea) set in modern day hyrule, (modern day meaning a sequel to adventure of link). ganon has escaped death and is after the triforce once again. he steals the triforces of wisdom and power, but not courage. link must take back the crystals that he set into the stones in adventure of link; only then, will he be able to unlock the magic seal in ganons underground fortress. during the final battle, ganon tricks link into killing him. ganon somehow is able to come back and kill link.
but....zelda escapes hyrule with the triforce of courage and finds an ocarina washed up on a distant island. zelda then goes back through time to the final battle.
instead of just controlling link, you control zelda too. while ganon and link are fighting, zelda goes through the underground and steals the triforces of wisdom and power back. she comes back into the battle room to find link dead. ganon picks up the triforce of courage from links dead body and transforms into a monster. not the big pig-like monster cause by the triforce of power, but a different monster that is caused by the triforce of courage. zelda picks up the master sword, and fights ganon. during the fight, ganon destroys the ocarina of time. finally, zelda impales ganon with the triforce of power, he is then trapped inside the triforce of power forever.
despite her efforts zelda is unable to revive link, but is able to save hyrule.
Post by: StRaNgE on March 05, 2003, 06:04:44 AM
Reason is, wind they 1st showed the demo everyone fell in love, then we saw C el link, so many were shocked and angry, then we adjusted and learned to love cartoon link , especially after seeing video of him in motion. This cause a huge stir across the internet when it happened, it would cause an even bigger one if they went back to the demo footage style for the next game in the series.
Not sure about all of you but I'd pick up both versions for sure, and many many others would pick up the latter of the two for sure.
Would be a cheap and very effective marketing plan on Nintendo's part to do it the way they did, if the 1st Zelda release was what we saw at spaceworld then the buzz would be good but not as blown out of proportion as it is now about windwaker. Free advertising for Nintendo, they seem to have a great way to pull things like that off.
Post by: Locke Cole on March 05, 2003, 01:17:41 PM
