Post by: ruby_onix on May 15, 2004, 05:57:43 PM
PGC seemed to take a pretty good pounding around E3 (not that I'm complaining). Peer-to-peer systems like Bittorrent might be able to help out. I know there will always be some people who will try to beat the system and sneak out after they download all that they want, without uploading their fair share in return, but hey, some people helping out with the uploading should be better than everybody just leaving the effort all up to PGC all the time, right?
Of course, PGC seemed to be getting hit the hardest at the start of E3, when there was just "news" not "downloads" available yet, but making the media a little easier to upload can't hurt, can it?
I dunno. I'm not an expert on P2P systems or anything, but I just figured it can't hurt to ask (unless I just keep writing and writing), and there's a chance that using some kind of P2P system hasn't ocurred to you yet.
Post by: Pale on May 15, 2004, 06:23:07 PM
Any large files could be dispersed among us so each of our servers just took hits from one file.... I dunno...just a thought..
Post by: RickPowers on May 15, 2004, 08:27:50 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 15, 2004, 10:02:24 PM
Post by: Bloodworth on May 16, 2004, 12:09:24 AM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on May 16, 2004, 01:29:12 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 16, 2004, 06:33:08 AM
Post by: Pale on May 16, 2004, 07:32:27 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2004, 02:54:02 PM
Post by: RickPowers on May 17, 2004, 06:26:03 PM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on May 17, 2004, 08:18:59 PM
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Bit torrent downloads are generally very slow
Post by: Pale on May 18, 2004, 03:57:19 AM
Post by: Caliban on May 18, 2004, 04:00:37 PM
I myself have never had any problems with BT what-so-ever, which explains why I had to get a 2nd hard-drive. In fact, I've had such good experiences with BT that I made myself learn how to create a BT file, how to set up a tracker for it and any other BT file. It's quite easy and I've put some BT files up to share, unfortunately my maximum upload speed is 40Kb/sec.
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 18, 2004, 04:08:56 PM
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I can understand the complaining, about Bittorrent, from the 56k users but when the complaining comes from DSL or Cable users then in all honesty you really have no patience.
Caliban, I get excited if I get over 3 Kb/s on a bit torrent download (generally it's somewhere between 0 and 1 Kb/s)- I routinely get download rates in upwards of 125 Kb/s on normal downloads with my DSL connection. Am I really being THAT impatient?
Post by: KnowsNothing on May 18, 2004, 04:15:57 PM
I generally don't get the best DL speeds......perhaps I should seed more and see what happens....
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 18, 2004, 04:47:10 PM
Post by: Caliban on May 18, 2004, 05:37:21 PM
Mouse_clicker, what BT client are you using? I used to use the official client(Bitconjurer) and I had low download speeds so I decided to use another client(BitTornado) which has been very useful because I can at least control the upload speed.
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 18, 2004, 05:41:58 PM
It's still slow, though.
Post by: Caliban on May 18, 2004, 05:52:16 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 18, 2004, 06:29:04 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 18, 2004, 06:32:45 PM
Anyway, thanks for the help, guys.
Post by: ruby_onix on May 18, 2004, 06:44:06 PM
With the Kazaa-type system, your entire HD (or whatever portion of it) is shared, and no one file seems to take priority over another. Now that'd be fine for most of us PGCers, as we'd have mostly PGC stuff in our shared folders, but when a common-type person comes along, they'd ask for a PGC video, we'd give it to them, and then their system would "pay it back" by giving some of their bootleg Metallica and porn to the great and flowing sea of people asking for bootleg Metallica and porn. PGC gets nothing out of the contribution (aside from maybe the incrementally easier access to you-know-what)
Bittorrent is very specific and focused. One file. That's it. The one you're asking for is the same one you're giving out in payment. It means that when you have something really popular, there's an availability explosion of it on BT, but once that's died off, it's dead. Getting older "niche" stuff on BT is half impossible, because nobody else is downloading it.
Personally, every time I've used BT for something popular (coughPGSMcough), I've seen download speeds that completely blow away anything I've seen anywhere else. Actually, the biggest complaint I've heard about Bittorrent is that it causes some people's computers to restart. Do you know why? Supposedly, if the download speed gets extreme enough, your computer (depending on a lot of factors) might "crap itself" and force a restart. People just never saw that happen before Bittorrent.
Anyways, I've got an obvious suggestion. How about the next time a video someone likes gets updated (PGC just keeps doing business as usual), one of the first people to download it (who knows how) gets to make a torrent, upload it to something like SuprNova, and post it here. As long as nobody changes the filename, anyone who downloads the video from PGC can automatically become a "seeder", so you don't have to worry about "racing anyone" to make a torrent. We'll see how it works out. If PGC's still doing what they're doing, then 56kers have nothing to worry about, and PGC's servers might get some relief.
The only real catch is that I'm not sure if we're allowed to do that. SuprNova is chock-full of all sorts of illegal stuff. So I don't know if we're actually allowed to even speak of them.
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on May 18, 2004, 07:30:41 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 18, 2004, 11:28:55 PM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on May 18, 2004, 11:52:12 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 19, 2004, 03:19:41 AM
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Mouse: You're loading the wrong files. Depending on the file I can get 50kb/s constant, which is more than I get off most http/ftp servers.
Man, I've downloaded a LOT of stuff using bit torrent, and it's a magical day when I get a decent download at all. I have never gotten above 15 KB/s, and my bit torrent download rate has never been faster than my normal download rate.
My upload rates are always really fast, though, heh.
Post by: KnowsNothing on May 19, 2004, 09:21:37 AM
Post by: Caliban on May 19, 2004, 10:15:36 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill
Ah, your problem mousie is one KN and I always used to complain about...You need to open ports 6881-6889 through your router's config to fix your speed problem... ^_^
I knew it could be something about the ports but I didn't know which ones. Mouse_Clicker, I hope you have your problem solved.
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Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-R
Dude, we wouldn't need a middleman or site like suprnova, we could just seed it from our own machines and throw the torrent file up on the site.
Just like he said, as long as you know how to set up the tracker then everything will work fine.
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on May 23, 2004, 06:55:32 PM
1. Our current method of media distribution actually works quite well.
2. Offloading media distribution would not speed up the web server or really help the site in any way.
3. BitTorrent is a very high-level distribution method which often requires significant system tweaking before becoming effective. If we endorsed this program, we'd have to provide some level of support for it, which would be a nightmare.
4. If we seeded torrents from our media server, people would be legitimately downloading our media, through our bandwidth, without viewing our ads. I don't think our servers host or our advertisers would be very happy with that.
Once you have downloaded something from PGC, I don't really care if or how you share it around with friends or strangers, as long as the file is unaltered (e.g. you don't try to splice off our logo). So you can seed any PGC torrents you want to, or share them over Kazaa, or dump them all over IRC, and it's fine with me...but I don't think we'll be actively involving ourselves in any of those schemes.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 24, 2004, 06:35:19 PM
