Post by: RickPowers on May 11, 2004, 10:31:56 AM
Prepare to be blown away ...
The Legend of Zelda – Coming Soon
Graphics are like Ocarina in Style, but "1000 times better" according to our reports. Similar to Resident Evil 4 in graphic style. It was the very last game shown.
Miyamoto walked out in a green 1-Up t-shirt, holding the Master Sword and Shield, swinging the sword around. Miyamoto barely said anything.
Nintendo listening to the fans seems to be the theme of the show.
More to come!
Post by: nickmitch on May 11, 2004, 10:41:15 AM
NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Ecrofirt on May 11, 2004, 11:10:54 AM
Post by: Ecrofirt on May 11, 2004, 11:16:54 AM
http://www.nformant.net/zelda
Post by: BlkPaladin on May 11, 2004, 11:26:38 AM
Post by: NWR_Lindy on May 11, 2004, 11:29:07 AM
Brilliant.
silks
Post by: Kairon on May 11, 2004, 11:34:51 AM
The stonework on the castle and dungeon is the most lackluster part I see, but everything else looks neato. At first it all looked like a tech demo... ... but the horseback and mounted combat scenes look like they use in-game graphics... but are they actual gameplay? That's the real question: whether these scenes are scripted/FMV/Demo or whether they indicate real gameplay?
By the way, the new Bokoblins and Lizalfos (?) rock.
Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: RickPowers on May 11, 2004, 11:52:52 AM
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Post by: Caliban on May 11, 2004, 12:12:49 PM
Post by: theRPGFreak on May 11, 2004, 12:12:49 PM
Post by: Perfect Cell on May 11, 2004, 12:20:02 PM
Awesome....
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 11, 2004, 12:41:32 PM
"I love Nintendo art direction. The Namco Soul Caliber 2 Link was butt ugly... thought the SW2000 Link looked like a girl..."
This Link model has made me question my sexuality yet again...
Post by: gally on May 11, 2004, 12:42:49 PM
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Originally posted by: theRPGFreak
...its not cel-shaded? YES!!!
God damn it. The only thing I had against a "realistic" Zelda is the inevitable reactions of the "oh so cool" teens who hate cartoons.
I personally would love to see a Zelda with Dark Cloud 2-esque graphics, as I thought that game's look had the perfect balance. However, I am glad to see a Zelda that is likely to draw in a crowd. Now watch as the "OMG we need more games to be COOL and BAD-ASS" adolescent boys start crowing.
Post by: KnowsNothing on May 11, 2004, 01:09:45 PM
I don't like it. =\ I just don't want ANY realistic zelda anymore. =(
But I'll still buy it and love it.
UGGH, I finally got to actually watching the footage and I hate it even more. ;___________;
Post by: joeamis on May 11, 2004, 01:25:00 PM
Post by: Koopa Troopa on May 11, 2004, 01:27:23 PM
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God damn it. The only thing I had against a "realistic" Zelda is the inevitable reactions of the "oh so cool" teens who hate cartoons.
Amen. I don't think anything'll will piss me off as much as this will.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 11, 2004, 01:31:15 PM
As far as I know there is still WW2, as the guy who made that, I didn't see his name anywhere in association with this new "realistic style" Zelda.
Post by: Guitar Smasher on May 11, 2004, 01:48:41 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 11, 2004, 02:22:37 PM
That seems a little selfish. Those of you who prefer the toon style already got a Cube game. Plus The Four Swords and the new GBA game (which looks super swank by the way) are also in this style. You have THREE toon style Zelda games being released this gen. Those of us who want something more realistic get ONE. Every Gamecube owner gets both options. I can't think of a better situation. It's totally win-win.
Post by: Bonzeemer on May 11, 2004, 03:30:13 PM
Post by: DrZoidberg on May 11, 2004, 03:46:39 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
whether these scenes are scripted/FMV/Demo or whether they indicate real gameplay?
I'd wager that they're ingame scenes, Nintendo has never been one to pass off FMV as ingame graphics, also they hardly use it anyway.
Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 11, 2004, 08:28:18 PM
Post by: Shift Key on May 11, 2004, 10:06:18 PM
And expect the visuals to get a good old polish up between now and release.
Post by: Bloodworth on May 11, 2004, 11:16:39 PM
Oh and for those of you still looking for Wind Waker 2: this is it. The game is running on the same engine believe it or not.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 11, 2004, 11:33:15 PM
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Oh and for those of you still looking for Wind Waker 2: this is it. The game is running on the same engine believe it or not.
I had some doubt if it was WW2, but the same engine? F**KING CHRIST ALMIGHTY!
Post by: KnowsNothing on May 12, 2004, 01:35:13 AM
I completely agree. I just don't care. :cool:
Naw, I think this is the right decision for Nintendo. Even if I prefer cel-shading, it still looks fantastic and I;ll still buy it, and that's most likeyl the same for everyone else who prefers cel-shading. Plus, there are the people, the vast majority, that prefer THIS, and the realistic look will attract new gamers. It's totally the right way to go.
Post by: Shift Key on May 12, 2004, 01:57:40 AM
As for the DS, I'm still on the fence. Can't wait to hear how it plays and all that, but still on the fence.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on May 12, 2004, 02:25:04 AM
Lets just hope the difficulty level has been ramped up, making this Zelda the game to kill all games.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 12, 2004, 06:58:03 AM
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Originally posted by: joeamis
Now my question is who is the producer of this new Zelda, Miyamato or the guy who was supposedly doing the sequel to WW with the same graphical style?
Both Miyamoto and Aonuma are in the Producer's seat, while the Director has not been announced...
Post by: KDR_11k on May 12, 2004, 09:30:10 AM
Shifty: Here. Even though their site seems to prefer PSP for some reason (bribery? Stupidity?) he sounds very blown-away.
Hell, even IGN praised Nintendo this time!
Now imagine what if the secret director was... Peter Jackson!
Post by: MysticGohan24 on May 12, 2004, 10:45:23 AM
But wasn't it Wolves of Isengard that they were riding and not boars? Just a thought
Post by: Caliban on May 12, 2004, 12:07:25 PM
WW engine huh? Not bat at all.
Nice work Nintendo!
Post by: Shift Key on May 12, 2004, 05:28:57 PM
.And all the developer comments have me really interested (but not sold) on the DS concept.
DS + Stylus Pen + WiFi = portable drawing e-hilarity!
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on May 12, 2004, 06:36:23 PM
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Now imagine what if the secret director was... Peter Jackson!
That would make sense since he has finished the LotR trilogy.
Post by: vudu on May 13, 2004, 03:29:42 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 13, 2004, 03:56:53 PM
The buzz for the game would be NUTS!
But then PJ didn't even direct the LotR games....
Post by: Ocarina Blue on May 14, 2004, 04:23:16 AM
I was at first sad to find the new Zelda not to use the toon-shading style of the WW, but I was frankly amazed when I saw some of the screenshots. This not only is what most people seem to want from Zelda, it builds on their mental image as well. Has anyone seen the replies at Slashdot? Read some of the post and you´ll really see what I mean. After the arguments for toon-shading engine, it seemed to me like good games and games that apeal to the mainstream crowd in a major way are like two opposites, constantly struggling to overcome each other, But this has proven to me that EAD truly know how to produce the hype without bastardising their games.
The trailer, however, puts me off a little bit. Although the character models are spectacular, many of the textures on the ground look overly bland and generic. The score is worse, and belongs to some crappy fantasy-action or space-opera movie. I´ve said it before, and I´ll say it again: music in games has the natural ability to outdo its counterpart in movies. Screw this Conan crap, we deserve Kondo. Obviously, it is an early movie, but it still doesn´t impress me as much as I would like.
I think there´s a good chance the horse will be the major theme in this Zelda... so much emphasis was placed on it in the trailer. I just hope they don´t overdo it again. At the roundtable, Miyamoto mentioned an effort to keep the puzzles in the new game more original. One of my main gripes with WW is the fact that I felt that I´d essentially completed most of the puzzles while I was playing the game. Either that, or the new ones were so simple they felt more like a small jump on an obstacle course than anything else: their only purpose was to momentarily slow you down.
Has anyone else noticed that in the trailer, durning a built-up in the music and when Link brings his sword above his head, full cliché battle-cry sort of thing, there is absolutely no attempt to give him any sort of facial animation? Perhaps this was done on purpose, as a final example of toon-shading´s ability to produce much more than cheap and corny atmosephere playing on emotions invoked by primal instincts (ala Resident Evil), but much richer experiences demonstrating the ability to show rich and convincing emotion via a simpler outlet.
Honestly though, the fact that most if not all of the footage is someone actually playing game gives me the impression that once again, I´ll continue to play a game well past I´ve finished it, obtaining virtuosity in its mechanics. Simply because of the amazing Fresco-blend of art and technology use to create it; strangely blurred and not yet entirely consistant or coherrent, but providing an image that has not yet been depicted anywhere else; I will play this game.
Post by: Bloodworth on May 14, 2004, 05:22:47 AM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 14, 2004, 05:26:13 AM
Thats a BLOODY long time.
The reason why Nintendo used their version of that song from Conan the Barbarian is cause it's the same music they used in the Zelda Wind Waker trailer at E3 2002.
Hearing it before the trailer came on at the conference was a huge surprise to anyone who remembered that tune, cause that meant it was Zelda. Then BAM!
The song is epic in itself, and tons cool.
You SHOULD remember that all this isn't even finished yet - the FACT that Nintendo was making realistic Zelda was what took people off guard. And the fact that he looks MORE realistic (hair, clothing) than the 3D demo at Spaceworld 2000 is what makes it cool nonetheless. I really didn't see how having a bright green tunic would be as realistic as a tunic of dull green like something out of Lord of the Rings. The chain mail was a nice added look too.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 14, 2004, 07:27:46 AM
Ahahaha, silly Ocarina...That was just promo music that has been used to reveal Zelda games since OoT...
If you find Ninty's direct-feed trailer, the music that plays is more Zelda-ish...
Post by: Ian Sane on May 14, 2004, 07:33:22 AM
Yeah but the game would suck if Peter Jackson made it. Film directors have NO CLUE what makes a game great. Hell most people who make or play videogames have no clue what makes a game great. Do you know what you get when a movie director has a lot of input in a game? Enter the Matrix.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 14, 2004, 10:39:10 AM
I doubt this game is that far along, I mean, what have we seen? The main character and a few of the more popular enemies. A few trees. Everything else seems to be placeholders from OOT.
Post by: - NintendoFan - on May 14, 2004, 12:01:33 PM
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The reason why Nintendo used their version of that song from Conan the Barbarian is cause it's the same music they used in the Zelda Wind Waker trailer at E3 2002.
Well, it was also used in the OoT Trailer shown in movie theaters.
Post by: Koopa Troopa on May 14, 2004, 02:30:18 PM
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Has anyone else noticed that in the trailer, durning a built-up in the music and when Link brings his sword above his head, full cliché battle-cry sort of thing, there is absolutely no attempt to give him any sort of facial animation? Perhaps this was done on purpose, as a final example of toon-shading´s ability to produce much more than cheap and corny atmosephere playing on emotions invoked by primal instincts (ala Resident Evil), but much richer experiences demonstrating the ability to show rich and convincing emotion via a simpler outlet.
I noticed this, and if you look closely you'll see it isn't even the same face texture. It looked much, much more primitive than other shots of Link, i.e. when he is surrounded by baddies and he pulls his sword over to his right side for a big swing. My guess is the movie was spliced together using older footage as well as newer.
I think you need to settle down a little, I mean seriously, you're definitely going a little far with your analytics here.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 14, 2004, 03:29:16 PM
Post by: Ocarina Blue on May 14, 2004, 04:38:58 PM
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Hah hah ... talk about overanalyzing a game too soon
Yeah, I get what you mean. A few drinks + a new computer to play around with = hours of writing fun. Keep in mind I do realise that that was only a trailer, and that there is lots of development time left. Still, the trailer itself, while both being real-time and looking far more stylish than the older Spaceworld one, lacked the polish that older one rovided. Despite my drunken ramblings, don´t think I´m judging the actual game here: I once again wish to stress that I realise this was only an early trailer.
I´ve actually neveer seen anything more than screenshots from older Zeldas before they were released, but I realise that´s not in-game music. Once again, ignore my drunken ramblings.
Post by: RickPowers on May 14, 2004, 05:05:40 PM
By the way, just like in Wind Waker, Link will look at important things around him.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 14, 2004, 05:25:27 PM
Reggie like.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 14, 2004, 08:34:53 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 14, 2004, 09:00:49 PM
You know it's funny. Miyamoto hyped up that element of Wind Waker huge. He even explained that part of the reason they went cel-shaded was because it would make it easier for Link to have facial expressions and look at things. Yet I NEVER noticed it while I was playing and never once solved a puzzle because Link looked at something. It was just so minor. The only times I really noticed LInk's facial expressions were in very obvious situations like the super fun happy dance he did when he beat a boss. In other words the only times I noticed Link had facial expressions was when they appeared out-of-place for a Zelda game.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 14, 2004, 10:17:20 PM
Have a look at Link when the Deku Tree is talking to you for the first time, in Hylian. That look is GOLD hahaha.
The cartoon element definitely made it more charming, while the realistic approach here would add a more epic feel to it.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 14, 2004, 11:18:58 PM
I ran around the place for like 5 minutes then i simply got stumped. Hrrrmmmm, what to do.
So I had Link stand in the middle of the room and stare at me (into the camera).
All of a sudden he was like --
*o*
looking straight up into the heavens AND I'M LIKE HUH? HOLY SHHIT! IT'S THERE!
That's probably the first time Link ever helped ME out.
BRILLIANT!!
Reggie like!
Post by: KDR_11k on May 15, 2004, 09:33:56 PM
Post by: Ocarina Blue on May 15, 2004, 09:39:48 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 15, 2004, 09:59:44 PM
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Still, Link could turn his entire head to face the main object if too much time is spent in once room. Or they could just bring back the faeries
People complain enough about Wind Waker's lack of difficulty as it is- if Nintendo had done something like that people woul just complain that they were being given the answer and didn't even have a chance to come up with the solution themselves. If you never needed the help of Link's eyes, good for you. If you did, aren't you glad it was just a little push in the right direction rather than a blatan revealing of what you were supposed to figure out on your own?
Post by: Ocarina Blue on May 15, 2004, 10:36:34 PM
I can´t remember how many times I´ve solved a large puzzle several times over but not completed it because I missed a small part of it. Imagine trying to light a whole lot of torches: you run from the start to the finish, and by the time you get to the finish you presume the reason nothing´s happening is because the earlier torches have gone out, but the fact is you´ve missed one all along. That´s the sort of thing that Link´s eyes can tell you. What they can´t tell you is why you need to light the torches, or when you need to to turn the dungeon upside down, or how you need to defeat phantom gannon etc.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 16, 2004, 10:58:14 AM
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on May 16, 2004, 10:19:20 PM
Yup. Aonuma confirmed that one in the just-posted GDC roundtable, despite the denial of sex...er...darker Link.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 17, 2004, 01:07:12 AM
The way the characters turned/titled their heads in Eternal Darkness was also quite noticeable, and therefore functional.
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