Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on May 09, 2004, 11:19:58 AM
Working in the gaming business is more than a full-time job. But five talented Chrono Trigger fans are so dedicated to the business that they do it when they’re off payroll as well.
Chrono Trigger Resurrection is a fully three-dimensional, independent remake of the Super Nintendo classic Chrono Trigger made from scratch. This is no fan game like you’ve seen before, though. Director and Programmer Nathan Lazur and his team are creating professional-quality software using Xbox and GameCube development kits. Their goal is to recreate ten of the most memorable Chrono Trigger scenes for a Christmas 2004. They are well on their way, too—just check out some of these screens:
Not bad for a demo 25% complete! Luis Martins and David Ying’s graphical prowess are accompanied by a fully rearranged soundtrack! Be sure to check out the Chrono Trigger Resurrection media page for a sampling of Mathew Valente’s fantastic musicianship. Michael Demirel’s animation work will be showcased in a trailer when the project is closer to completion.
Since this is currently an independent project completely unaffiliated with Square Enix, console versions of the Chrono Trigger Resurrection demo will only be available to official developers with access to GameCube or Xbox development kits. Fortunately, a free PC version will be available for public consumption as well.
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 09, 2004, 11:27:37 AM
It kind of sucks the Gamecube and XBox versions are only available for developers, and that they're only doing ten scenes rather than the entire game, but this is much better than nothing. Looks magnificent, so far, too!
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on May 09, 2004, 11:44:39 AM
With any luck, they'll continue to work on this after they finish their goal of 10 scenes. They *call* their goal a demo for a reason! They're just keeping their targets realistic! (*shakes fist at Square Enix for seemingly staying on the sidelines and not offering publisher support*)
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 09, 2004, 11:48:56 AM
Anyway, I hope they are just being conservative now- what they have so far is simply incredible and it would be orgasmic to see the entire game given such treatment.
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I'd like to redirect discussion to the Talkback thread, since this thread hasn't grown yet. Feel free to repost your comments there.
My thread was bigger than yours.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 09, 2004, 11:55:17 AM
Upon seeing the talkback thread: "Holy sh!t! What the hell is this? Is this a leak about E3?!"
Upon reading the talkback thread: "Oh it's that thing MC linked to in "Other Systems". Dang."
Not that this is bad or anything but I was really hoping for a new Chrono game on the Cube from Square Enix.
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on May 09, 2004, 12:00:02 PM
It was in the teaser on the main page, so I didn't think I was tricking anyone!
Post by: ssj4_android on May 09, 2004, 12:03:31 PM
Post by: Koopa Troopa on May 09, 2004, 12:05:30 PM
I have to say... they've done a brilliant job so far. The recreation is near perfect, very little seems to have been lost in the transition to 3D.
And the lead programmer(only programmer, actually) has freakin awesome taste in games
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Post by: cloudstrife111 on May 09, 2004, 01:25:06 PM
this look good my windows 95 pc canot run it????????
Post by: Koopa Troopa on May 09, 2004, 01:54:41 PM
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Wow you had me for a second too bad nobody will ever get to play it
You don't have PC?
Post by: ruby_onix on May 09, 2004, 02:26:16 PM
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Bill wrote in Mouse's thread:
(Holy Crap! What an excellent remix of Corridors of Time!)
Yeah...
I normally "like" fanmade soundtrack remixes, but that's usually just because I liked the original. The remix usually tends to leave a bad taste in my mouth though, as it doesn't usually seem artistically "faithful". It's like, someone said "Hey, I can make something better than that", then they take the existing artwork, then add "20% more techno" and "a few bass waves", and then say "There, I just made something better". It just doesn't seem right.
But these songs (especially Corridors of Time) are really something else. Quite surprising. My only complaints would be that the "chorus" in Corridors needs a little work, and some of the "emphasis" on certain instuments in all three pieces seems a little off. Maybe that's just me. Or it's them. Of course, that's why you need to get the original artists onside when you're remaking something like this. What they intended is the opinion that matters. But at the very least, it shows that these guys are quite capable.
Of course, I think Yasunori Mitsuda had already remade "orchestral" versions of all his stuff, and he'd probably want to use those versions in any remakes (come to think of it, I think my brother has a Chrono Trigger soundtrack CD that came out in America).
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Post by: Djunknown on May 09, 2004, 04:44:45 PM
Its amazing they were able to keep the artwork intact, Akira Toriyama has a unique art style, they handeled the 2d to 3d transition very well so far.
It'd be interesting how Square Enix might react. They might think that gaijin making a demo on one of their franchises (which they haven't bothered to capitilize BTW.) would be blashphemy. Its been mentioned earlier (by Ian I think) that Square-Enix is adopting the Enix policy: Screw America, as hard as its legally possible.
I wouldn't be too optimistic if Square Enix decided to publish this and turn it into a full-fledged game. They would most likely scrap the 'Cube version, and the 'Box? Insert a big "HAH!". PC? probably, but I could wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
Post by: Koopa Troopa on May 09, 2004, 04:51:23 PM
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Remember Chrono Trigger came out on PS1, therefore they have a liscence.)
Ehm, no, I don't think so. I would be pretty surprised if Sony had any real share of Crono Trigger, short of the smalle % it owns of Squenix of course.
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Post by: Ocarina Blue on May 10, 2004, 01:48:39 AM
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I'm surprised that Square-Enix, Sony (Remember Chrono Trigger came out on PS1, therefore they have a liscence.) and Nintendo haven't fowarded a "Cease and Desist" order. On the other hand, Nintendo hasn't stopped the Oot2d project either....
I know copyrights on games become void after 5 years... I don't know when CC was released, nor do I know anything else about it. If it does not contain characters etc. from CT then I guess this would be entirely legal.
Perhaps they will be obliged to change the name. Judging from the quality displayed, however, I think it's pretty fair to assume SquareEnix will try to srt out anyone who picks a fight with these guys.
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on May 10, 2004, 02:59:26 AM
AIN'T WHAT SHE USED TO BE COMIN' LIKE WHAT.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 10, 2004, 03:01:06 AM
It looks like it would be possible to run those graphics on a PS2. However, look and reality often differ and since it was not specifically made for PS2 I think it'll kill the texture buffer of that thing unless you downscale all textures to N64 resolutions.
The style looks different from typical Toryama 3d conversions (i.e. most Dragonball models). It has a certain drawing-like style and in general looks like something that was more common about five years ago.
Having never played CT, I doubt I'd understand what's going on when playing those ten scenes, but hey, Indy project + one of the best games ever + RPG = WIN!
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 10, 2004, 03:26:02 AM
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Post by: tssf on May 10, 2004, 10:47:01 AM
I have a little bit of bad news. Our server is kapuut. No, it's not because Square Enix caught wind. We believe they've known about our project for awhile. (They were our number one visiter when we had that teaser picture up before the site's launch) No, because of increasing popularity, the inevitable has happened. We've been forced by our host to shut down due to extreme bandwidth usage.
We're currently looking frantically for a new host who can handle our load, and who won't charge us an arm and a leg (because of course, we have no financial backing). So sit tight if you're wondering what happened. The demo's still on!
Also thanks to all of you for your nice comments on my music for the demo. My philosophy for it is that I wish to keep the original feeling the original songs gave off, so I see no reason to change anything except for insrtumentation and some mild enhancements to the music, if any. The songs in their original form were pretty amazing in themselves. There's not much I feel I could do to improve them.
Anyway if you guys/gals wish to, you can hear the soundtrack as it was going to sound on the N64 before we axed it a couple years ago. They are in their original source files, so you need an Impulse Tracker player to play them. If you have a general installation of Winamp, they should play fine (though the plugin that comes with winamp lately has been buggy since I, and Jake Stine stopped development of it. On a slightly unrelated note, we can be found in the Winamp credits for our work, too hehe)
Anyway here they are: http://tssf.gamemusic.ca/Remakes/ChronoStuff/CTNew
Enjoy!
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on May 10, 2004, 11:46:14 AM
Post by: tssf on May 10, 2004, 01:39:48 PM
We're looking for a new host that will support up to 1 terrabyte of bandwidth (it can be lower, but not too much lower), and a maximum of 500 megabytes at a reasonable price. Nathan's got a viable temporary solution right now but I'm not sure if he's going to utilize it before E3.
Post by: MysticGohan24 on May 10, 2004, 02:53:11 PM
Love the stuff guys, what scenes are you planning to implement?
Again, AWESOME!!!
Post by: tssf on May 10, 2004, 03:46:57 PM
" scene which is also not going to be in there, for obvious spoilage factor.And TheYoungerPlumber, I just sent you an e-mail with a link that contains all the media files including music. So, if you are willing, can you upload at least the images? The music files aren't essential to be put up if you don't want them to be. (they're big files anyawy)
Post by: MysticGohan24 on May 10, 2004, 05:16:48 PM
So we'll see the trailer around august? can't wait. But Magus
( aka Janus ) will be in there ?
Post by: KirbySStar on May 10, 2004, 09:48:14 PM
I am really excited about this project. The graphics look perfect! I'm wondering how well the gameplay's going to work moving to 3D though, but hey they've been working on this for a while so I'm sure they know exactly what they're doing. Can't wait for the trailer and demo, guys!
I hope this is a wakeup call to Square-Enix. If they were smart they'd hire these guys to actually remake the entire game. I'm pretty sure everyone here would buy it.
Post by: Shinosuke on May 11, 2004, 02:22:50 AM
Post by: tssf on May 11, 2004, 11:54:02 AM
Shinosuke: Unfortuantely they are correct. The demo is the project itself. We don't have the man-power or the resources to be able to do a complete remake, unless you're willing to wait until Christmas of 2006. By then the current consoles will be obsolete, anyway. You know, it's more of a realistic goal, than say a complete game. The project originate on the N64, and we were planning an entire remake.. imagine our naiveness when we knew it just wasn't going to happen. I think 10 scenes is fair, it could be like the CT: Pre-Release demo in Japan and only contain 4.
At any rate, we're sticking to 10 scenes. And if there's time, we'll include one or two more. More scenes + more characters = more animation / items / story / backgrounds / etc to include, so..don't hold your breath (sorry to say).
Post by: MysticGohan24 on May 12, 2004, 03:12:30 AM
You guys must have their attention by now, considering the details and everything being put into this game.
This is how Chrono Trigger should comeback : )
Post by: joeamis on May 14, 2004, 06:28:29 PM
I must admit I'm intrigued by more than just your remake demo. I was wondering if you could give a little info about who's doing what on the project, and how it all came together or started, and your background... how you got into this line of work. Please keep us posted if you guys get the media back up on a site. Thank You!
Post by: tssf on May 15, 2004, 04:37:23 PM
The project for N64 died because we all pretty much got busy doing our own things. I got into Game Boy Color music, almost got published in a real game but the developer couldn't find a publisher, it's the age-old story.
Anyway, long story short, Nathan talks to me one day saying he was interested in starting the project up again. This was sometime last fall. We eventually began putting things together for a less ambitious project than what we had originally planned on the N64, and well, the rest you know. Hehe.
As for my background, it pretty much went that I heard a music remake about 8 years ago, I got into it myself and became really good at it. (If you google my name, you'll find a LOT of places that have a lot of my remakes and such). I was obsessed with trying to make things sound as accurate as possible, heh. I jumped from irc channel to irc channel, onto AIM , jumped from website to website, etc. It goes the same way.
Anyway, we're going to put the site up as soon as we can find a new host, we pretty much got our butts kicked in terms of bandwidth.
If anyone can suggest a host that has at least 500 megs of on-site space, and has 1 Terrabyte of bandwidth for under 100 dollars a month, we could really use that.I'll keep you posted about the site.. We've got everything backed up, things are going good I think.
Post by: PrestoChango on May 16, 2004, 08:16:12 PM
Post by: tssf on May 20, 2004, 09:49:35 AM
Let's hope Hostway keeps their promise towards "unlimited bandwidth."
Post by: tssf on May 22, 2004, 03:13:45 AM
Okay, that's about it. Hehe.
Post by: PrestoChango on May 22, 2004, 12:20:11 PM
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Post by: tssf on May 24, 2004, 08:59:48 AM
We were thinking about getting a new domain with it but, it hasn't happened. And KDR_11h, we've already been slashdotted.
lol
Post by: KDR_11k on May 24, 2004, 09:39:09 AM
Post by: TonyNinja on August 24, 2004, 04:58:36 AM
There is also a bunch of other sites like CT: Remake Project and Unofficial Chrono Trigger 2.
Though the screens from Ressurection, and Remake Project look nice i think they should leave CT alone for SE.
The CT: Remake Project site is interesting, makes me want to play the original deal on SNES...
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 24, 2004, 07:38:16 AM
Nah, Squenix is too busy twindling their thumbs as they arse up their new Final Fantasy "ideas"...They don't have the time to go back to their classics...
Post by: 3rdrocket on August 24, 2004, 12:00:58 PM
What these people are making is simply Godly!
Post by: joeamis on August 24, 2004, 02:29:36 PM
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Nah, Squenix is too busy twindling their thumbs as they arse up their new Final Fantasy "ideas"...They don't have the time to go back to their classics...
Final Fantasy is their most classic title... And they made a sequel to Chrono Trigger back in August 2000.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 24, 2004, 09:59:51 PM
Post by: 3rdrocket on September 08, 2004, 09:42:27 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 08, 2004, 10:06:32 AM
Ahahaha, no really...Maybe it *used* to be...And I just didn't enjoy CC as much as CT...
Post by: joeamis on September 09, 2004, 05:30:57 PM
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"They don't have the time to go back to their classics...
They're doing a new Brave Fencer game. FF series are classics (most of them). They're doing a new Mana game. They're doing FF7 spinoff titles for cellphones. They just did another Front Mission game, came out in June... I see trends here, going back to their classics... while trying out new ideas (Drakengard). They redid FFAdventure last fall, and went back to their cult classic FF Tactics. Now they're giving gba owners FF1&2 remakes. Errr, what classics do you want? =?
Post by: 3rdrocket on September 10, 2004, 09:49:40 AM
Post by: joeamis on September 10, 2004, 07:23:18 PM
As for another Chrono Trigger, the first came out in 1995, Chrono Cross came out in 2000, and the rerelease of Chrono Trigger came out in 2001. So, Chrono 3 will come out in 2005 at the earliest. I have a feeling the next Chrono game will come out next generation on Playstation 3. And there's a possibility of some sort of port, remake, or variation on the DS or PSP. I'd like to see FF6 and Chrono Trigger ported or remade as a bundle for the DS or PSP.
