Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2004, 02:46:53 PM
you tell me
http://www.nintendowatch.com/
Post by: Zeks on April 21, 2004, 09:03:57 PM
Why?:
-Duel-Processors would match what Iwata-san's been yapping about in regards to the DS as a "hint to the next generation of hardware".
-Yes the duel-cpu set up would be more difficult for developers. But it would still be more simple than what MS and Sony are doing. Plus, the minds behind the GC's architecture could come up with some engineous dev-kits to help developers alot with the duel-setup.
-#2 Specs may have slightly less RAM than #1, but it MORE than makes up for it, being GDDR3 compared to (slow)DDR.
-Heat disipation would be close(Cpus/Gpus), but being an ATi 9800 owner I know a 600mhz card would put off alot more than a 500mhz card(they run very warm already today). Not to mention the added transistors and the many possible uses they could be for, as pointed out in the article. But the heat would be less as the new card would be manufactured at a much smaller die size than toaday's Radeon 300/350 line, so its moot to argue this currently.
-In favor of #2 Specs: Price is close, but I think the price difference between the Duel-1.8Ghz G5's vs the 2.7Ghz would be more than the difference between 512MB DDR vs 256MB DDR & 128MB GDDR3.
We all have seen how important bandwidth and RAM speed are with the GC vs the XB. Not to mention Memory and bandwidth will do more for your system than a faster processor would(i.e. when upgrading). All in all, I think that if they can develop the dev-kits to simplify programming with duel-cpus to optimize performance, thus utilizing #2 Specs' memory and bandwidth advantage over #1 Specs, then they will go with #2 Specs or something close.
Post by: BigJim on April 22, 2004, 02:34:59 AM
I doubt they'll even make 15 GB hard drives in 2 years. It'd be cheaper to use 40 or 60 by then since 15GB would be a special-order product.
Post by: - NintendoFan - on April 22, 2004, 12:00:04 PM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on April 22, 2004, 12:40:08 PM
About the whole speed thing: that is relative to process size. Assuming in two years ATI will be on either 90 nanometer or 100, I doubt that it would be too difficult of a task. This time, power will be the issue. Dual cores still draws a lot of power, as does any high end GPU.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 22, 2004, 12:53:18 PM
Gotta love the potential for piracy there. That doesn't sound like something Nintendo would do and it's pretty impractical. Instead of including a hard drive thingy just use that physical space for a cartridge slot.
I LOVE the idea of having a hard drive in the N5. About ten years ago when I was a kid I designed my dream console and it had three main elements: CD medium, four controller ports, and a hard drive. Interestingly enough all three of those elements have been successfully incorporated into consoles. MS had the right idea in including a hard drive out of the box but they never really used it for anything beyond game saves or custom soundtracks. Sure it was more convienent but there aren't really any Xbox games that required the hard drive to work.
Nintendo on the other hand is much more creative than Microsoft so if they put a hard drive in as a standard you know they make some games that make full use of it. Afterall they did make the 64DD and have interest in rewritable capabilities. And best of all neither of the competiting consoles are rumoured to include hard drives which gives Nintendo an advantage. How funny would it be for MS to introduce something to the console market only to abandon it themselves and have a competitor adopt it and have an advantage doing so?
"I doubt they'll even make 15 GB hard drives in 2 years. It'd be cheaper to use 40 or 60 by then since 15GB would be a special-order product."
I agree. Plus Nintendo ran into third party trouble this gen because of smaller disc and memory card sizes. I mean 15GB SHOULD be enough but never underestimate the ability of third parties to create bloatware. I'm sure Nintendo will never need more than 15GB but those lazy bums at EA will so Nintendo might as well give third parties more flexibility in slacking off.
"Case design philosophy more like the N64, less like the GameCube"
Ahh, they've learned something. Consoles that look cool sell better than consoles that look like toys.
"Potential DVD playback"
That doesn't realy sound like something Nintendo would do unless they've either
a. figured that lack of this feature hurt sales so they might as well throw it in to be safe.
b. are using a DVD standard format this time and thus are including it since the technology is already there.
"Blue-laser disk technology"
Sounds cool and would match the rumoured PS3 specs. But what format would Nintendo go with? Blue-ray or HD DVD? Realistically it doesn't matter to me what format they use but if one costs significantly less they should go with it. Anti-piracy naturally should be an issue in the decision. Knowing Nintendo they might just go with their own original format. One thing I do want them to keep though is the physical size of the Cube disc. I don't really have a good reason for that I just find the smaller size really cool and convienent.
This stuff could very well be a bunch of BS but this is fun to talk about so who cares.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 22, 2004, 01:09:08 PM
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But what format would Nintendo go with? Blue-ray or HD DVD? Realistically it doesn't matter to me what format they use but if one costs significantly less they should go with it. Anti-piracy naturally should be an issue in the decision. Knowing Nintendo they might just go with their own original format. One thing I do want them to keep though is the physical size of the Cube disc. I don't really have a good reason for that I just find the smaller size really cool and convienent
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Due to Nintendo's relationship with Matsushita, it is my opinion that if Nintendo went with a blue laser format, it would go with the Matsushita backed Blu-ray standard. Of course, knowing Nintendo, it’s entirely possible they are using some other format, or even one they made up on their own (perhaps 5GB GCN sized discs?).
Post by: Zeks on April 22, 2004, 01:35:49 PM
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Post by: Draygaia on April 22, 2004, 01:50:25 PM
Post by: - NintendoFan - on April 22, 2004, 02:12:08 PM
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15GB is way small though - I don't see much in the way of downloaded content.
This is what I don't get, how is 15GB way to small? That is more then enough space for downloaded content, hell that's even more then enough for Soundtracks and music.
Post by: - NintendoFan - on April 22, 2004, 02:16:54 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 22, 2004, 02:28:32 PM
But knowing Nintendo they won't have a standard HD at all, and instead have suom sort of proprietary memory device, kinda like that prototype miniHD that IBM had made for the N64/GC.
Post by: Zeks on April 22, 2004, 06:35:12 PM
Besides they 'could' use their own format but who knows. As long as Developers have enough room they'll be fine, if theyre smart they'll 'create' their own format with just as much storage, maybe some creative/good encription techniques etc(Basically Blue-Ray/HD DVD with copy protection etc.). And I think the HD, if it will be included, will be upped to atleast 30GB or more. But this only gives us a good idea, if not true, if it is true Id bet it will go under a few revisions. Time for E3.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 22, 2004, 06:45:52 PM
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There are two major blue-laser formats being developed: the popular Blue-ray format, and HD DVD.
I was just stating the opinion of one of the editors who said if they were still aligned with Matsushita (Panasonic) they would probably go with Blu-Ray cause that is the format that Matsushita is backing.
Post by: Zeks on April 22, 2004, 06:49:15 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 22, 2004, 07:45:10 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on April 22, 2004, 10:19:25 PM
Post by: Zeks on April 23, 2004, 05:36:22 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
They wouldn't use standard HDs. They're too large, both in physical and storage size. Hell, what would you do with a 80GB HD? Store games on it. And Nintendo doesn't like that prospect.
Exactly, people whine and moan about HD size. ONLY argument I see is what the general dumb consumer sees:" Ooo lookie, a bigger HD than that one, I can store more stuff on there so ill get this console instead". Only problem is, like KDR said, theres nothing to freaking fill up 50-80GB with. Wont be games cause then theyre would be piracy out the wazoo. Game saves arent going to cut it, I dont care how big the damn game is. The biggest games these days are no bigger than approx. 3.2GB at MAX, updates/patches/extras/saves wont even take up anymore than 2-3 GB at best. And that would be for a huge ass(FF23 lol) game. If anything, 15GB would be for the choice of saving ur games there, extras, downloadble demos etc, stuff like that.=pleanty of space
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 24, 2004, 01:13:48 PM
Post by: Rich on April 24, 2004, 09:19:50 PM
Post by: Zeks on April 24, 2004, 09:50:52 PM
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Post by: - NintendoFan - on April 25, 2004, 04:47:34 AM
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According to the Blu-ray Disc Founders (BDF), Blu-ray Disc will offer by far the highest capacity of any optical disc storage format ever developed for consumers, and yet the production costs of manufacturing Blu-ray Discs is expected to be comparable to current DVDs when manufactured at mass volumes. "Capacity and cost savings were the major reasons HP and other industry leaders chose to support Blu-ray Disc," said Maureen Weber, general manager of HP's Optical Storage Solutions. "The PC business revolves around volume and cost; and, the fact that the most logical cost choice also offers far better quality - as well as a smooth transition plan that is both forward- and backward-looking - is icing on the cake."
Link: http://www.blu-ray.com/
I guess they are the same cost as a DVD.
Post by: Mannypon on April 25, 2004, 11:01:05 AM
Post by: Rich on April 25, 2004, 12:25:25 PM
Post by: Mannypon on April 25, 2004, 12:42:20 PM
Post by: - NintendoFan - on April 25, 2004, 12:55:28 PM
The cost of it just isn't realistic for Nintendo or Microsoft or Sony to do if they want to make the price competitive.
Post by: Mannypon on April 25, 2004, 01:08:11 PM
Post by: Rich on April 25, 2004, 04:53:01 PM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on April 25, 2004, 06:31:57 PM
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N-Sider has also written an article on the subject.... Exclusive: Potential Next-Gen Specs
Zuh? That article to me is pure BS.
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Games will come on mini-discs, as opposed to cartridges.
I have a hard time believing Ninty will use mini-disc in the next gen. GameBoy.
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The graphics will be slightly better than those found on the Sega Dreamcast.
I seriously doubt it. I cannot see a handheld being released in 2006 with graphics that powerful to be cost effective and under $200 at launch.
As for GCNext, I don't see Ninty using HD DVD or BluRay disc. Maybe, but I see them using their own propriety mini-disc or develop a new once for GCNext with larger storage space (just as the article stated). Not 15GB though. Who needs that much space? Besides Monolith Soft or Square!
Post by: Rich on April 25, 2004, 07:35:54 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 25, 2004, 08:49:36 PM
Ah but you're thinking like Nintendo with that statement. True, you don't think that much space is necessary and Nintendo probably wouldn't either but that sort of thinking is exactly why Cube sports games need an entire memory card and why FMV on multiplatform Cube games is grainy. In order for the N5 to truly succeed it has to be designed to accomodate more than just Nintendo. In theory encouraging third parties to be efficient and use less space is a good idea but it just doesn't work when the market leader is doing the exact opposite. Having less space to work with than Sony is a disadvantage. If they offer 15GB then Nintendo has to match it.
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on April 25, 2004, 09:18:20 PM
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Well, AiAi, why can't Nintendo use a propriety mini-disk that utilizes blu-ray technology?
Read my post again. I said "Maybe" ^_^
Ian Sane: you make a good point. And yes, I was thinking like Nintendo. (oh noes, they've brainwashed me). But we don't know how big the storage space will be on the disc next gen. Although I'm betting Sony will use at least 15GB or around that. Or 25GB.
Post by: - NintendoFan - on April 26, 2004, 12:16:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Rich:
NintendoFan, I don't think that they will have a specialize drive to rewrite, I was under the impression that the Blu-ray drive could do it without a special drive.
Ahh, if so I wasn't aware of such a thing. But, it will most likely cost more money nevertheless.
Post by: Syl on April 27, 2004, 06:06:07 PM
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xactly, people whine and moan about HD size. ONLY argument I see is what the general dumb consumer sees:" Ooo lookie, a bigger HD than that one, I can store more stuff on there so ill get this console instead". Only problem is, like KDR said, theres nothing to freaking fill up 50-80GB with. Wont be games cause then theyre would be piracy out the wazoo. Game saves arent going to cut it, I dont care how big the damn game is. The biggest games these days are no bigger than approx. 3.2GB at MAX, updates/patches/extras/saves wont even take up anymore than 2-3 GB at best. And that would be for a huge ass(FF23 lol) game. If anything, 15GB would be for the choice of saving ur games there, extras, downloadble demos etc, stuff like that.=pleanty of space
note: Unreal tournament 2004 is 5.8 gigs straight out of the box, no patches, no extra maps.
half life 2 and doom 3 are most likely going to be similar to that.
why? textures and sound.
likewise, those have nothing to do with HD space. but, just correcting your error.
Anyway, I was under the impression that the blu-ray was sorta OWNED BY SONY, so theres no chance that nintendo could use it, they would *HAVE* to use the HD-DVD, same with microsoft. (i could be wrong about that)
Likewise, as i stated in the other thread.
the GCnext specs all seem like very plausible speculation, but thats all they seem to be... speculation.
Nintendo seems to have far more unique takes on hardware than just going with the norm. Note how every part of the cube was basicly specially made for the cube, I'm sure theyre going to take that rigid, unique, hardware status for the next system.
the GBE specs sound like BS.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2004, 06:33:25 PM
Blu-Ray licensing press release Feb-2003
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 28, 2004, 02:49:18 PM
So if they are exploring the whole GCPortable concept, maybe the GBE specs really aren't BS afterall.[/wishful thinking]
Post by: PugGTI on June 11, 2004, 03:43:00 AM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on June 11, 2004, 06:17:45 PM
