Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Bigworm2004 on April 15, 2004, 12:45:53 PM
Title: Mario 128, Kid Icarus and more
Post by: Bigworm2004 on April 15, 2004, 12:45:53 PM
Over at Nintendojo, they are reporting that Mario 128, Kid Icarus, Golden Sun, and Kirby are gonna be shown at E3 for GAMECUBE. This is the only site reporting those games. I know these games are rumored/hoped for GAMECUBE. Does anyone know if these games are confirmed to be shown at E3 2004? I've been waiting for Mario 128 forever, that game will be so awesome.
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Post by: Smadte on April 15, 2004, 01:03:18 PM
Quote that game will be so awesome.
Actually, it's Mario 1-2-3. It's a counting game for younger players. Awesome.
Title: RE:Mario 128, Kid Icarus and more
Post by: Bigworm2004 on April 15, 2004, 01:26:10 PM
hey smadte, if you don't like Nintendo, then why are you on this NINTENDO website? Why ya gotta be a smart ass? If you are a nintendo fan, you will eat up the next traditional mario game just like everyone else.
Title: RE: Mario 128, Kid Icarus and more
Post by: Pale on April 15, 2004, 01:26:45 PM
Heh, i never read Nintendojo, but from every 'scoop' i see posted here, can you ever believe a word out of their mouth?
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Post by: jasonditz on April 15, 2004, 01:28:32 PM
Kid Icarus?!
Its about damn time.
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Post by: mouse_clicker on April 15, 2004, 01:31:13 PM
I hope you're just joking, Mike- you posted some great stuff back in the day, but your posts lately, when you've posted at all, have been really negative.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on April 15, 2004, 01:56:49 PM
Well I think it'd be obvious that the chance to see Mario 128 at this E3 is high, but the others are just pure speculation...Though Golden Sun is in fact leaving the handheld, there's no guarantee it will be shown(but I want it to!), and there hasn't been even a shred of proof of either KI or Kirby(a GC version, at least) at E3...
Title: RE: Mario 128, Kid Icarus and more
Post by: Pale on April 15, 2004, 02:00:31 PM
I'm confused...but thats ok....
Title: RE:Mario 128, Kid Icarus and more
Post by: Bigworm2004 on April 15, 2004, 03:20:59 PM
Here's a link to the E3 list of gamecube games....
Maybe games like kid icarus, mario 128, and golden sun will be show off for the nintendo DS....could be, never know....
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Post by: SatansNemesis on April 15, 2004, 04:37:23 PM
Umm...if you actually read the header the the nintendojo E3 list (easy to miss, i only caught it when I triple checked that I wasnt dreaming) you would see that all of the titles in red italics are rumored to be there, not confirmed. At least when I read it ealier today thats what it was like. All of those titles and more were in the red letters.
Title: RE:Mario 128, Kid Icarus and more
Post by: Smadte on April 15, 2004, 09:12:46 PM
No ... Guys ... Really I'm DEAD serious about this!
Title: RE: Mario 128, Kid Icarus and more
Post by: jasonditz on April 15, 2004, 09:18:30 PM
Actually IIRC Silicon Knights was the one rumored to be working on Kid Icarus.
Dammit
Title: RE:Mario 128, Kid Icarus and more
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 16, 2004, 03:20:25 AM
Silicon Knights working on Kid Icarus? Last I heard Capcom was rumored to be working on it in the form of the ressurected Dead Phoenix, which was very sikmilar to Kid Icarus in the first place.
I didn't mean serious as in you were telling the truth, Mike, I meant serious as in the sarcasm was meant derisively.
Title: RE:Mario 128, Kid Icarus and more
Post by: Smadte on April 16, 2004, 02:12:12 PM
I know what you meant. I guess I've just been grumpy about Nintendo's decisions lately, that's all.
Title: RE:Mario 128, Kid Icarus and more
Post by: Pikkcuber on April 16, 2004, 05:41:01 PM
I dont know you can look at this two ways if silicon knights was planning to make a kid icarus game. That the Silicon knights guy (his name escapes me) was so pumped about kid icarus and he already started that he decided to finsih. The other possiblity is that KID ICarius was in the planning stages and they dropped it, or maybe handed it off to another orgainization
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Post by: Nephilim on April 17, 2004, 05:50:50 AM
The list was fake, they admitted they got the info from the fake e3 Nintendo booklet Nintendojo from what Iv heard will be taken over by nintendo of America soon, making it the first ever offical nintendo fan site......there goes the rumor section lol
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Post by: Arbok on April 17, 2004, 06:17:06 AM
Quote Originally posted by: DeadlyD
Nintendojo from what Iv heard will be taken over by nintendo of America soon, making it the first ever offical nintendo fan site......there goes the rumor section lol
That was a April Fool's joke, they even admit it in their current poll....
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Post by: Pikkcuber on April 17, 2004, 03:57:28 PM
I bet thats a lie joe started too. But i dont blame nintendo from doing it if they did just to keep them out of their hair
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Post by: Kotula53 on April 18, 2004, 12:31:51 PM
I believe Him.
If you ever look at SSBM event like 20 or something it says mario 128
weird huh?
Title: RE:Mario 128, Kid Icarus and more
Post by: wei803 on April 18, 2004, 07:22:45 PM
really hope to see mario128, instead of the "cute" paper mario... what about the Kirby, is it the mysteriously missing Kirby Tilt n' Tumble? which feature GC > GBA link with motion sensor on the GBA cartridge???
... i keep wonder...
Title: RE: Mario 128, Kid Icarus and more
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 18, 2004, 08:10:04 PM
"really hope to see mario128, instead of the "cute" paper mario..."
Yeah, really...Everyone knows Mario is all about teh mature...I mean, in the original he kills hundreds of helpless goombas and kidnaps Princess Toadstool from her hubby, Koopa...Then you have those Toads that don't seem to have a describable gender, and that whole Communist Mario thing that was going around a while ago...Not to mention the hint towards drugs I mean reallly Mario eating shrooms that's so mature I don't see why Nintendo is making Mario all cutesy omg I starting to regress blarg *faints*
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Post by: joedaddy on April 18, 2004, 09:23:27 PM
right on brother! i remember "back in the day" when mario carried a glock at ALL times. these days mario is a total PANSY! he wears overalls. RED OVERALLS! the next mario game should feature the all new badass mario. for starters, he must be in normal human proportion. secondly, its time to lose the moustache, how are people supposed to believe mario is doing the "warp pipe shuffle" with peach (who will now be called felicia). mario will have 1 foot high spiked blonde hair, and sport edgy urban fashion. when mario is attacked by a goomba, he will first evade them in a matrix like manner, and then proceed to land a piece of hot metal between their eyes while whispering in a husky macho voice, "not this time goomsy..."
thats what I think mario should be all about man. *dies of sarcasm poisoning*
ps. i think its time for resident evil to grow up as well...
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Post by: wei803 on April 18, 2004, 10:30:41 PM
something come in my mind... what happen when a "human proportion" mario armed with flamethrower.... facing a bunch of zombie... my imagination gone wild, some1 please stop me...
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Post by: PaLaDiN on April 18, 2004, 10:54:34 PM
Why stop there?
Take Mario into 4-dimensional gaming! And I'm not talking about something lame like time control... it's up to Nintendo to revolutionize the industry again with the next Mario. They should find a way to squeeze 4 proper dimensions in there.
Anything less and people will be disappointed.
Title: RE: Mario 128, Kid Icarus and more
Post by: wei803 on April 18, 2004, 11:05:00 PM
oh yeah... 4th Dimention mean is to do with time. could it b a motion sensor?? read our movement and control mario? so next time i can exercise while play game.... gimme a 4th sense also will be good, now we have visual, sound, and force (rumble)... mayb a controller that will turn hot/cold depanding where mario is....
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Post by: Ocarina Blue on April 19, 2004, 12:55:10 AM
Well, time is a dimension we have a sort of special relationship with. Although a 4th dimension mentioned in a game could be time, it doesn't have to be. I think KDR once posted something about a game which forces players to move through a 4th dimension. It was on Underdogs I think.
BTW: You're avatar is just a little too big. 64x64 is the limit here
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Post by: KDR_11k on April 19, 2004, 07:01:28 AM
It's called Frequon Invaders. Search on Google or The Underdogs.
Title: RE:Mario 128, Kid Icarus and more
Post by: dapyroman.dk on April 20, 2004, 05:02:21 AM
i never heard of a new kid icarus...
Title: RE:Mario 128, Kid Icarus and more
Post by: mojorizin on April 29, 2004, 04:52:46 PM
I doubt we see one of them.
Title: RE:Mario 128, Kid Icarus and more
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 29, 2004, 05:24:50 PM
Quote Take Mario into 4-dimensional gaming! And I'm not talking about something lame like time control... it's up to Nintendo to revolutionize the industry again with the next Mario. They should find a way to squeeze 4 proper dimensions in there.
You're asking Nintendo to completely revolutionize not only gaming, but physics as well? You guys do have some high expectations.
Title: RE:Mario 128, Kid Icarus and more
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 29, 2004, 06:11:40 PM
I'm not sure if you caught my sarcasm, but yeah, I'll just say I was being sarcastic just in case.
Or was I?
Title: RE:Mario 128, Kid Icarus and more
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 29, 2004, 06:12:32 PM
I was being sarcastic, too.
Title: RE: Mario 128, Kid Icarus and more
Post by: ThePerm on April 29, 2004, 08:14:57 PM
the 4th dimention is time......ninty has done time travel.
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Post by: KDR_11k on April 29, 2004, 08:23:35 PM
The fourth dimension ISN'T time, why the hell do you think it is? (besides, time travel would be boring, why would you want to travel to a time the earth and everything else have left years ago?)
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 29, 2004, 11:36:34 PM
Oh, it's QUITE arguable that time is the 4th dimension. Especially given that time is often used as an axis on a coordinate system in the physical sciences.
Just as bundles of matter can have a physical position in space (3D), they can also have a position/status/condition/property in physical time. Grouping time & space together, you can get something that can be interpretted as a movie -- the contents of the frames may differ at different points in time.
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Post by: Ocarina Blue on April 30, 2004, 02:12:04 AM
Yes, but that's only what we can intuitively percieve. I don't even have the most basic of qualifications in physics, but I'm pretty sure Time has to 'have' a number of right-angle-thingies > 1 more than our intuitive dimensions (which we would say would have 3) in order for us to have such a relationship with it. e.g. time = 5-11 right angle-thingies. Sorry about my terminology, but I'm sure you get what I mean
For all practicle purposes such as when creating a movie etc, time co-ordinates would have to be recognised, as well as the 3 others of space. So while time would be the 4th dimensional-coordinate, it wouldn't be the 4th dimension. Or something.
Wouldn't the most logical form of time travel that we could complete in the near-future be just to move really fast arond space/time then measure the time lapse using two atomic clocks?
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Post by: WesDawg on April 30, 2004, 05:39:26 AM
The "right angle" word is orthogonal, although I have no idea what you're trying to say. They done experiments where they take jet planes fitted with atomic clocks high into the upper atmosphere and fly them in opposite directions around the earth, then measure the time difference between the clocks. They both read different, so in some sense I guess one pilot traveled farther forward in time than the other. Yay.
More interestingly alot of things in physics get described by their coordinates in momentum space instead of realspace. There might be some sort of intersting game in that, but probably not. I think I'd rather just have a water pack.
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Post by: KDR_11k on April 30, 2004, 07:17:10 AM
I'd say they just slow down, they don't move faster than everything else or anything (else they'd eventually overtake the rest...)
The problem with a movie is that if you look on the film roll, every object exists once per frame, however, unless we're vastly violating mass-conservation we can only have one object, which can only be in one place in the timeline (ergo, if you went back through time, there wouldn't be an Earth). Unless we assume that the mass of an object increases over time (which would be interesting, considering gravity supposedly extends into all dimensions) we'd have to assume a completely static universe (i.e. no time). Actually, the previous sentence makes no sense, since if time is dimensional, it doesn't pass and objects wouldn't increase in mass since they wouldn't do anything. That is possible, but pretty pointless to argue about, since time travel and the like wouldn't be possible, either (since neither you nor the rest of the universe does anything since time "stands still").
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 30, 2004, 03:01:35 PM
The water pack is fun, but definitely not a replacement for certain other more entertaining gameplay elements found in a certain predecessor...
The film roll is simply a graph, displaying instantaneous stages of existence in reference to a point in time. Give the film an infinitely large framerate, and you'll have physical(spatial) points in the frame be continually existant. Problem solved. A "point" in time is just a instantaneous slice of existence for us to look at."
And WesDawg's example is the real-world experiment to test Einstein's theory of relativity. One of the conclusions, in general terms, is bundles of matter (like a person, or even an aircraft) have different time frames, depending on their speed. The faster you travel, the slower your time frame becomes, relative to objects moving slower than you. So, if the pilot who travelled faster (very, very fast) watched his clock as he flew by, he/she would think was operating at the normal, usually perceived speed. But outside his craft, the rest of the world (or some other slower frame of reference) would seem to be moving faster, whose clocks would seem to move along faster. A minute on the earth would seem to go faster than a minute in the craft (according to the pilot). Conversely, if we're on the earth, a minute on his craft would seem slower than a minute we measure here; the pilot's clock slowed down, according to us. Therefore, from the pilot's perspective, he "moved forward in time."
For particles above the atomic level, the math works out just fine for the phenomenon mentioned above. For subatomic particles, and even smaller, things get CRAZY, and we haven't been able to measure it well.
Come again for another brain-busting episode of MR. WIZARD'S WORLD.
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Post by: PaLaDiN on April 30, 2004, 06:21:17 PM
Try both dragging and shift-dragging... press stereo for stereoscopy. If you have no idea how to do stereoscopy (it's a bit like Magic Eye, pretty fun), get some 3D glasses instead.
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Post by: KDR_11k on April 30, 2004, 08:25:14 PM
Profesional: That doesn't prove time to be dimensional. If you ask me, it's because the energy needed for movement reduces the amount of energy the particles would have at their disposal (a particle cannot get faster than lightspeed). Anything travelling on the moving object would move slower since it needs more energy to move (energy usage is exponential). Any actions would happen slower since things cannot move as fast anymore. Especially with clocks and such things, the movement speed of the electrons is critical for the result. Relative time doesn't prove a thing about dimensional time, though. Time is often claimed to be a dimension we move through at a more or less constant speed and maybe could even travel through. However, there's no reason for a dimension we're moving through to act as "time". If you're moving, you have one location. Anyone looking at a point where you previously were would not find you there (since you're somewhere else). Furthermore, for movement to happen, we need time to pass. If this time was dimensional, it couldn't pass (since it'd be movement). Also, if we believe the theories about time travel, time is like a graph. That means, no matter where you look, everything is already there and nothing ever changes. And everything has an infinite length. Now, if we said something is moving through time slower, how would it do so? By writing itself slower than everything else? Which means that it would 1, increase mass and 2, not be there if something wrote itself faster and looked for the slow object. The problem with a dimension is that things can only exist in one point in a dimension, not in every. And that things wouldn't move along it without some other form of time passing. Sorry for repetitions, bad explainations, etc. I have trouble putting my thoughts into words. I think there's some form of non-dimensional time that passes independantly of anything happening in space"time".
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 30, 2004, 09:14:58 PM
KDR: For clarity's sake, the bit about relativity wasn't part my argument, it was just another comment about another post. The film strip bit, however weak it was, was my shot at an argument. (I had NO intention of joining the two ideas) But you knew what I was trying to get at originally, right? "Creative" aspects people have theorized of time have shown to be practical in some gameplay. As time passes, we can move. If time [miraculously] reversed, the motions would occur reversed. I had games like PoP and maybe Blinx in mind. What we see on the screen as they're played for specified lengths of time may be regarded as movie(s). Whenever that neato "time reversal" trick occurs in gameplay, the "movie" plays in reverse and thus the objects and matter move in reverse to previous state/position. So, we've got "movement" back & forth thru time within the game's universe. Now I don't seem to know what my point is anymore, but you understand my background, right?
You seem to have a good amount of this stuff fresh in your head. When's the last time you studied modern physics?
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Post by: KDR_11k on May 02, 2004, 01:31:35 AM
Oh, I still have (err, had a few eeks ago) physics in school, but the last half year I haven't listened to the teacher anymore (too many formulas, too little explaination of which ones matter, what they do, grades no longer important anyway, etc). Sometimes I talk with friends about that stuff, though.