Post by: GrAyLaN on April 09, 2004, 10:41:12 PM
Anybody else care?-GrAyLaN
Post by: Koopa Troopa on April 09, 2004, 11:15:35 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on April 10, 2004, 04:08:37 AM
Post by: oohhboy on April 10, 2004, 04:33:52 AM
I don't mind 2D, but I like 2.5D better.
Post by: Smadte on April 10, 2004, 10:41:10 AM
I miss the magic those old 2d games had so much.
Post by: Berny on April 10, 2004, 01:06:40 PM
Oh, no one...heh. In that case....
*runs away screaming*
Post by: mjbd on April 10, 2004, 02:47:10 PM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on April 10, 2004, 08:59:20 PM
*shakes fist*
Post by: KDR_11k on April 11, 2004, 08:44:33 AM
Post by: novastar512 on April 11, 2004, 10:31:24 AM
The GBA has some good 2-d games, but there is too much emphasis on 3-d. I love fire emblem and tactics ogre, really good fun, with sprite graphics. But common, i NEED MORE 2-d GAMES.
Post by: GrAyLaN on April 11, 2004, 04:41:31 PM
-GrAyLaN
Hey...now I can't wait to see what 4D looks like....
Post by: DrZoidberg on April 12, 2004, 01:07:00 AM
this is just off the top of my head but.. the number of series' that have lost something in the transition from 2d to 3d
Donkey Kong Country
Super Mario Bros.
Metroid
Mortal Kombat cooking with scorpion was lollerskates however.
also the introduction of 3d destroyed two of my favorite genres, being top-down shoot 'em up and the point and click adventure.
-GrAyLaN
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 12, 2004, 01:07:54 AM
And it's not possible for the human eye to see 4d, nor do I see any gaming applications to it, so don't hold your breath... ^_^
Post by: Shift Key on April 12, 2004, 01:41:34 AM
As for losing 2D, I don't think it will disappear completely.
DrZ - Time to start up some angst O_^
I agree with you about DKC (1 and 2 still own my
, DK64 just broke it) and Metroid (good in 3D but different), but Mario Bros just makes me want to rant. Sure, 2D hooked me on games originally, but 3D just took it in new directions. 2D only does so much before it starts to repeat itself *points to GBA Mario releases* so its good that people have jumped off that bandwagon for the time being. Hopefully the DS has some new and interesting 2D games, regardless of who is involved with it.
Post by: oohhboy on April 12, 2004, 05:27:08 AM
While you can't see the 4th dimension, you can see it's effects. Of course to really see something happen in the 4th dimension happening in reality, your not going to see it unles yo got yourself a partical accelerator.
Post by: KDR_11k on April 12, 2004, 06:42:43 AM
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Originally posted by: DrZoidberg
also the introduction of 3d destroyed two of my favorite genres, being top-down shoot 'em up and the point and click adventure.
The top-down shooter is dying, yes. Even Kenta Cho's latest work is a sidescrolling shmup (oh noes!). But don't tell me you haven't played his previous works as well as Warning Forever (scroll down, there are even more games!), Cho Ren Sha or other works of the japanese freeware scene. Come to think of it, the top-down shooter lives on, just not on the store shelves of the western world.
The point&click adventure wasn't killed by 3d, it was killed by Lucas Arts' suits wanting more Star Wars crap. The freeware scene isn't that active in that area, even though the occassional indie P&C adventure comes out. Is it just me or are comercially produced P&CAs coming out more lately? Runaway, Tony Tough, Syberia... I'm seeing a lot of 'em on shelves lately.
oohboy: BS. Four dimensional games exist without using time as a "fourth dimension" (I still don't accept time as a dimension, can someone please explain to me why scientists are assuming it is one? Dimensional time just produces but not solves problems, while a lot of paradoxes, logical flaws, etc, don't occur with non-dimensional time). What you see in that game is a two dimensional field made of complex numbers (which are two dimensional as well). It's entirely playable and much fun.
Most 3d games use four dimensional numbers (quarternions) for calculating skeletal animation. A normalized quarternion is apparently the best representation of a rotation for game use.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 12, 2004, 07:30:23 AM
Post by: Nemo on April 12, 2004, 01:07:51 PM
I will be very sad if 2D games ever die, not that 3D games can't be fun.
Post by: DrZoidberg on April 12, 2004, 01:53:15 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
The point&click adventure wasn't killed by 3d
except for Monkey Island 4 being rather subpar, Kings Quest 8 being horrible, and Broken Sword 3 losing alot of the 2d charm.
Post by: GrAyLaN on April 12, 2004, 06:12:00 PM
Also...I miss my Monkey Island adventures... *sob*
-GrAyLaN
Post by: KDR_11k on April 12, 2004, 08:45:14 PM
Post by: CHEN on April 19, 2004, 10:03:36 AM
2D will always have a place in my
.
Post by: MysticalMatt517 on April 30, 2004, 05:58:44 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on April 30, 2004, 08:29:05 PM
The difference between frustration and failure is that frustration only occurs when you think there was no way you could avoid that failure. Even difficult games like Ninja Five-O aren't necessarily frustrating since it's easy to see what you did wrong.
Post by: couchmonkey on May 06, 2004, 10:06:14 AM
As for the gameplay, I'm not in the right thread here. I love 3D. That's not to say that I think 2D is dumb or should be done away with, I agree that it will be a shame if it ever dies completely, but I love 3D games too. Hopefully both styles of gameplay can live on for decades to come. I'm optimistic! Viewtiful Joe was a huge hit last year, and I have a feeling that if VJ2 is as successful, we'll start seeing a 2D revival.
Meanwhile, show your support by buying 2D games on your 3D consoles! That will send a message to those suits in Capital City!
Post by: MysticalMatt517 on May 08, 2004, 12:50:28 PM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Meanwhile, show your support by buying 2D games on your 3D consoles! That will send a message to those suits in Capital City!
Agreed. People don't understand that where they put their dollar is a vote as to what will come to the market in the future.
Post by: the_zombie_luke on May 09, 2004, 09:38:54 PM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Meanwhile, show your support by buying 2D games on your 3D consoles! That will send a message to those suits in Capital City!
There aren't too many of them. If Nintendo actually made more 2D games for GameCube I would get them. I don't think we should worry too much about the future of 2D games. If the industry heads in a direction that goes without 2D, there is not much we can do. I guess I would miss sprites, but I already have some of the best 2D games on the NES line, and also on GameBoy. I also don't think 2D gaming will get any better than Viewtiful Joe and Symphony of the Night.
