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Title: Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: GrAyLaN on April 07, 2004, 07:47:40 PM
Proud to own a GameCube:

For the past couple of months I've been regreting passing down the PS2 and the X-Box
for Nintendo's latest platform, the GameCube. So far the releases for the GCN have been
kiddie games...Animal Crossing...Mario Kart...and so on. Don't take this the wrong way...
all the games are fun but only to a point. Eventually I'm demanding the violence. It's like being
strapped to a chair and being forced to watch Telettubies for a month with no end in site.
GAAH. Finally I got a break when Nintendo released True Crime: Streets of LA. I played the
ever loving crap out of that game and demanded more. Then there were the new releases like
Wario Ware Inc and another Mega Man Network game...I was believing that I'd have to
repeat the circle of games all over again to wait for a good 'ol violent one. While PS2 was
getting Resident Evil: Online I was getting Legend of Zelda: The Windwaker (also a good game,
but not as good as the RE series) and when X-Box was getting Mortal Combat: Deadly Alliance
I was getting previews for PikMin 2. It was looking grim. I may actual have to save my money
for an X-box or a PS2...and at the age of 15...that'll take a while. But there is hope yet...GCN
is getting some great new games out for the "Mature" audience. Examples: Metal Gear Solid:
Twin Snakes, Resident Evil 4, Judge Dredd: Dredd vs. Death and there are even rumors about
a True Crime sequel. I also heard that RE4 will be exclusive to the GCN...EXCLUSIVE! It's music
to my ears. And if by any chance somebody at Nintendo is reading this...please...PLEASE...bring
us some more mature games soon...the T for Teen and E for Everybody just aint cuttin' it.

~GrAyLaN

Also: Anybody else here think that changing RE4 from city to forest was a great idea? I thought it was!
Title: RE:Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: ib2kool4u912 on April 07, 2004, 07:58:11 PM
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Originally posted by: GrAyLaN
While PS2 was
getting Resident Evil: Online I was getting Legend of Zelda: The Windwaker (also a good game,
but not as good as the RE series)

You do realize that currently there are 5 Resident evil games on the Gamecube right now, right? I wouldn't be too jealous of the PS2 Resident Evil situation.
Title: RE: Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: Mario on April 07, 2004, 08:21:58 PM
So the appearance of blood and gore enhances the gameplay experience for you? I don't understand. If running people over with cars and being entertained by the blood that pours out of the carcass is mature, then i guess i should go back to little school and take a maturity class, because i don't get it.

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and when X-Box was getting Mortal Combat: Deadly Alliance
I was getting previews for PikMin 2.

Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance was also released on Nintendo GameCube at the same time as the Xbox and PS2 versions, and Pikmin 2 will be an incredible game.
Title: RE:Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: Shift Key on April 07, 2004, 08:35:13 PM
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Eventually I'm demanding the violence. It's like being strapped to a chair and being forced to watch Telettubies for a month with no end in site.

That is just hilarious. Would you like us to give you a pity Xbox because you made the choice to buy a Gamecube or just respond with comments regarding how GTA is much more realistic compared to SMS.
I really do not like to hear minors demanding more violent games. Its just not right. It only justifies the concern about the ratings system and how easily these games get into the hands of youngsters.
Not that I'm making an example of you (I have a little brother too who could echo these comments), but when the media goes on the "video games being responsible for kids turning to crime" witch-hunt, it crucifies lthe companies and developers behind the games, not the retailers who sell them.

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I was getting Legend of Zelda: The Windwaker (also a good game, but not as good as the RE series)
You didn't seem to hate it, so I'll suggest you get yourself one of the Zelda collector's disks - play Ocarina of Time - it's one of the all-time best all-time games

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the T for Teen and E for Everybody just aint cuttin' it.
So you judge by rating, not content? Brilliant idea, lets all buy Dual Heroes again and have brain damage from its horrible everything! Hurruh!
Title: RE:Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: alvinaloy on April 07, 2004, 09:36:31 PM
I don't see what's the big deal about violent or mature games anyway. Unless you're one who gets a thrill out of breaking the 'rules' by buying/playing a mature game when you're still a minor.

But anyway, don't go red-eyed. Just go get a Xbox or a PS2 to complement your Gamecube then.
Title: RE: Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: Mario on April 07, 2004, 10:18:37 PM
Or buy a PC.

Oh wait...
Title: RE:Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: akdaman1 on April 07, 2004, 10:19:52 PM
Cut the guy some slack. He may have rolled himself there a few times but I sorta see what he means.

He wants a game where if you show it off to your mates you wont get bagged.

He wants more realistic/mature games on the cube. It has its share but on a ratio to ratio basis its not enough.

Heres a few suggestions on what to look forward too :

True Crimes 2
Far Cry ( possibly )
Geist ( This seems like an AWSOME game )
Killer 7 ( nuff said )
RE 4
Baten Kaitos
Tales of Symphonia ( I know the gfx are cartoonish but from what I hear its very mature )
VJ 2 ( bound to be an Awsome game )
Splinter Cell 2
WWE day of Reckoning

There are more but I cant be screwd naming them.
Title: RE: Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: Bloodworth on April 07, 2004, 10:20:19 PM
I'm sorry, but if you're complaining about Nintendo's line-up, you're just uninformed.  

On the one hand, Nintendo's own games have always had a cheery  attitude (you don't have to be a kid to enjoy a game with a bright or happy theme) with a few exceptions in series like Metroid and Fire Emblem.  Even the Wars series is cheery.  So really, you should have known better if cheery titles turn you off.

On the other hand you have plenty of second and third parties putting out more mature content.  You may have to look online for games like Red Faction II or Prince of Persia, but there are plenty of them on the system.  -- Heck my girlfriend is playing Splinter Cell right now.
Title: RE:Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: akdaman1 on April 07, 2004, 10:23:22 PM
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Originally posted by: Bloodworth
I'm sorry, but if you're complaining about Nintendo's line-up, you're just uninformed.  

On the one hand, Nintendo's own games have always had a cheery  attitude (you don't have to be a kid to enjoy a game with a bright or happy theme) with a few exceptions in series like Metroid and Fire Emblem.  Even the Wars series is cheery.  So really, you should have known better if cheery titles turn you off.

On the other hand you have plenty of second and third parties putting out more mature content.  You may have to look online for games like Red Faction II or Prince of Persia, but there are plenty of them on the system.  -- Heck my girlfriend is playing Splinter Cell right now.


Done well my friend. I was just about to edit for Metroid and Fire Emblem.
Title: RE: Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: Bloodworth on April 07, 2004, 10:26:27 PM
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when X-Box was getting Mortal Combat: Deadly Alliance


Wait, that's on GameCube too.  You need to do some research boy.  I get the feeling you've been shopping for games at Sam Goody or something.   Don't complain about not being able to get your fix if you won't look for the games.
Title: RE:Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: GrAyLaN on April 07, 2004, 10:33:01 PM
lol. Woah, this thing got alot of responses for a few hours of sitting here. I wanna' clear something up...I don't like games just because of the "spurting blood". I usually like a game based on crime where you're on the side of the law...like in True Crime (well, if you play it right). Also, most of the Resident Evil titles that were released for the GCN were just like the PSone versions I already owned ...didn't find that out 'till I bought RE2. I thought they were going to improve the graphics...but it was just like my other one. It was dissapointing. And I do play all those other games too (Zelda, AC, The Sims, RPG's...so on...so on...). Oh, and while I'm typing, if anybody has any tips for getting the GCN version of The Sims: Bustin' Out codes to work...PLEASE TELL ME. I've been entering the same code over and over...it's doing no good either. Later.

-GrAyLaN
Title: RE:Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: GrAyLaN on April 07, 2004, 10:36:25 PM
Topic Reply for Bloodworth:

When did Deadly Alliance get released for the GCN!? I feel ripped off...non of the places 'round here have it!  
Title: RE: Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: Bloodworth on April 07, 2004, 10:41:03 PM
I'm pretty sure it came out right about the same time.  Fall of 2002.
Title: RE: Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: Bloodworth on April 07, 2004, 10:42:04 PM
http://www.planetgamecube.com/games.cfm?action=profile&id=250


Oh and here's our games list sorted by rating, if you like:
http://www.planetgamecube.com/games.cfm?order=RatingSymbol
Title: RE:Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: GrAyLaN on April 07, 2004, 10:50:15 PM
Hey thanx man. It's hard to find good games around here. I have alot of stores but they all carry the same stuff. It's kinda' depressing. There's always eBay though. But I'm not all too good with waiting. Thanx again for the links.
Title: RE:Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: Shift Key on April 07, 2004, 10:57:36 PM
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Originally posted by akdaman1:
He wants a game where if you show it off to your mates you wont get bagged.
If that's his problem, he needs to get some different friends.
Title: RE:Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: GrAyLaN on April 07, 2004, 11:03:11 PM
lol. Yeah, I don't buy MATURE games to show off to my friends.
Title: RE: Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 08, 2004, 03:11:16 AM
I showed off Super Monkey Ball.  Everyone got hooked on Monkey Mini-Golf. *_*
Title: RE: Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 08, 2004, 04:02:22 AM
OMG NEED VIOLENCE!

Meh...RE is the only "mature" game that is worth anything to me at the moment...
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Post by: Aretak on April 08, 2004, 04:20:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill
Meh...RE is the only "mature" game that is worth anything to me at the moment...

I'm just going to pretend that you mentioned Eternal Darkness as well.
Title: RE:Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: The Omen on April 08, 2004, 07:23:18 AM
At that age , his friends will bust his chop about anything different.  Just deal with it.

I find it funny that so called mature games=immature gamers.  My friends are all in their late twenties and early thirties, and we all play Nintendo games, having grown up on the NES and SNES.  I guess when you get older, you care a lot less about what people say or think..

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Post by: Bill Aurion on April 08, 2004, 07:24:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Aretak
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Originally posted by: Bill
Meh...RE is the only "mature" game that is worth anything to me at the moment...

I'm just going to pretend that you mentioned Eternal Darkness as well.

I just didn't like ED's gameplay that much...*shock*...But I loved the story, so it's all good! ^_^
Title: RE: Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: Ian Sane on April 08, 2004, 07:28:36 AM
"When did Deadly Alliance get released for the GCN!? I feel ripped off...non of the places 'round here have it!"

My local Toys 'R' Us has tons of copies of that game in the bargain bin.  Though "bargain" to them means $10 off and they wonder why they haven't cleared them out yet.

I've found that the Cube lineup actually has a LOT of 'non-kiddy' games.  Sure Nintendo releases a lot of family friendly stuff but the amount of third party "kiddy" titles is actually quite low.  Most third party games I see in stores are rated 'T' or higher.  Most "kiddy" games this gen are on the PS2 or GBA.  There aren't as many 'M' rated Cube titles but 'M' rated titles on any console has become more rare these days.  Publishers have realized the 'T' is the ideal rating for selling to a wide audience and thus more games are designed to fit that rating.  Anyway the Cube does have a pretty decent lineup of "mature" content, Nintendo just hasn't marketed that image at all.  If they didn't promote PURPLE as the main colour and marketed their own mature titles better they wouldn't have a "kiddy" image.  For the N5 if Nintendo makes it look sleek and techy and markets it better it could easily be more popular even with a similar lineup of titles.
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Post by: kennyb27 on April 08, 2004, 08:50:08 AM
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If they didn't promote PURPLE as the main colour and marketed their own mature titles better they wouldn't have a "kiddy" image.
Now, now.  It's Indigo not purple.
Title: RE: Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 08, 2004, 09:27:25 AM
The color dilemma is the silliest one ever...It's like people think, "OMG It's purple!  Girly color!  OMG Don't want to have my cool friends think I'm ***!"  It's a person's insecurity that hurts Nintendo, not Nintendo's choice of color...
Title: RE: Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: Ian Sane on April 08, 2004, 09:51:17 AM
"The color dilemma is the silliest one ever...It's like people think, 'OMG It's purple! Girly color! OMG Don't want to have my cool friends think I'm ***!' It's a person's insecurity that hurts Nintendo, not Nintendo's choice of color..."

A lost sale is a lost sale regardless of how stupid of a reason one chooses not to buy something.  I think anyone who cares enough about a colour to not buy a console is stupid and insecure too but that doesn't make a difference.  Nintendo shouldn't give anyone an excuse to not buy a Cube even if it's as superficial as what colour is promoted.  If everyone thought like you and I do the Cube would be a huge success.  But not everyone thinks that way so Nintendo should take that into account.  No one wouldn't buy a console because it's black, some wouldn't buy a one because it's purple.  It's a no brainer which colour to promote.
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Post by: The Omen on April 08, 2004, 10:20:55 AM
Come on, Bill, surely you can see the color is a major marketing mistake?  I bought the black version, which wasn't even advertised at launch, and so did nearly every other person with me on launch day.  Purple didn't make me feel, like, "OMG!  I might be a girl!I'm so insecure!"   It was stupid marketing.  You should promote the most easily accessible option first, which Nintendo obviously doesn't understand.
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Post by: Hostile Creation on April 08, 2004, 10:30:01 AM
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Legend of Zelda: The Windwaker (also a good game, but not as good as the RE series)


Oh Christ, I can see we're going to have problems.

If you want a really cool mature game, Killer 7 is coming out in June or something, and that looks wickedly awesome.  It'll be the first mature game I'm getting for the Gamecube, as a matter of fact.  I considered getting Eternal Darkness, which looks very cool, but my television is a punishment from God and has horrible contrast, making dark games almost impossible to see.  So I got Kirby Air Ride instead, which my friends and I love.  More than Mario Kart, probably more than F-Zero.

Title: RE: Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: Ian Sane on April 08, 2004, 10:54:27 AM
"I considered getting Eternal Darkness, which looks very cool, but my television is a punishment from God and has horrible contrast, making dark games almost impossible to see."

There is a way to adjust the darkness in ED in the options.  You should rent it and see if you can adjust it to something visible on your TV.
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Post by: GrAyLaN on April 08, 2004, 11:07:57 AM
I demanded the Black GCN. The color purple was a bad marketing idea...no other system has ever come out as purple for the first try! Besides...with all the colors in my room, purple would be an eyesore. My room consists of blues and blacks. Purple just wouldn't do... Never Happening
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 08, 2004, 11:23:33 AM
The Super Nintendo was grey with purple highlights.

If you waited 5 or so years, the bottom half becomes spinnach green.

*_*
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 08, 2004, 11:36:29 AM
"The Super Nintendo was grey with purple highlights."

The Super Nintendo was also the best system ever made, had a sh!tload of exclusive third party releases including Final Fantasy and Street Fighter II, and it's first party lineup is a who's who of the best games of all time.  If the Cube was like that the purple colour wouldn't affect anything either.
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Post by: mouse_clicker on April 08, 2004, 11:41:13 AM
I think Professional's point was that the Gamecube being purple alone obviously was not a factor, just as it wasn't for the Super Nintendo.

Graylan: No one really cares that you had to get a purple Gamecube instead of black- maybe it'll teach you that color doesn't mean squat.

Also:

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I may actual have to save my money for an X-box or a PS2...and at the age of 15...that'll take a while.


I saved up for almost a year to buy my Gamecube when I was 13. I got a job as a paper boy to buy my PS2 when I was 14. I then saved up to buy a 20" flat screen TV when I was 15. With the exception of only a few, I have personally bought, with my own money all of the close to 40 current generation games I own. I plan to buy myself an XBox sometime soon. All it takes is commitment and some honest work- don't complain to US that you can't afford them. It's not my problem, and it's not Nintendo's problem, either. Get a job, save up, and stop complaining.  
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Post by: Retroyoshi on April 08, 2004, 12:06:04 PM
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and at the age of 15
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I'm demanding the violence
Does ANYONE else find this to be a disturbing trend?  
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 08, 2004, 12:39:26 PM
eheheheh, you both misread me.   I just wanted to comment that my Super Nintendo acquired the 3rd color of spinnach green.

A small initial factor why the Super Nintendo was a big deal was it was "Nintendo" and it was "Super," which makes you think it's pretty #@%#% amazing since we were building off of the NES era.

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The promotion of the Indigo color I'd say was a bad marketing idea.  I don't know why, but BRIGHT NEON GREEN is such an attention-getter.  This seems to make sense cuz for some reason I always see Xbox stuff close to the entrance of game stores/departments while the GameCube stuff is shoved far into the back.  What's up with that?

And yes, Super Nintendo's awesome line-up is responsible for its success.

I wondered why GameCube wasn't faring "remarkably" well at retail prior to the big price cuts.

Obscure launch commercials that didn't show enough beautiful gameplay footage, especially for a game like Rogue Leader?

Nintendo's initial insistence on promoting the name "Nintendo GameCube," putting focus on the company name rather than the product.  I don't remember seeing "Nintendo Game Boy Advance" publically touted as much as "Nintendo GAMECUBE".  I just plain see "Game Boy Advance."  What's up with that?

Nintendo's "slow" support of 3rd party developer/publishers (2002 was fairly dry in this respect), lacking in development and advertising support (much unlike the Namco/Square/Capcom/Konami deals we've got now)?  Then there's the sports games issue...

Early U.S. SHORTAGE SHORTAGE SHORTAGE SHORTAGE SHORTAGE of retail supply?  Competing game platforms were able to replenish their stock much sooner than Nintendo did in my area, as I vaguely remember.

Droughts of TV commercials?  Hey, even if the game isn't all that, commercials help the platform name get across, right?

Nintendo Power sucks?

Not enough demo discs (and other promo footage) that greatly help showcase 3rd party products (OH WAIT we wouldn't want that now would we, because that would just end up overshadowing Nintendo's first-party products, like Wario World)?

Nintendo Power sucks?

One more point I'd like to make is none of the above points are, I believe, dependent on violent game content.  
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Post by: Uglydot on April 08, 2004, 12:41:30 PM
I am 18 and I love my purple GCN with it's happy games.  I rarly play dark game and if I do it's generally on PC.  Nintendo's lineup is fine by me.

Title: RE: Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough!
Post by: Ian Sane on April 08, 2004, 12:49:44 PM
I think it's worth noting that when the SNES came out my friends and I all thought it looked REALLY cool.  Like tying an onion on your belt, it was the style at the time.  Anyone else remember that swank Nintendo Power print ad that showed the SNES frozen in a block of ice?  Man, the marketing department back then was ON.

I agree with the Pro in that console colour was just one of MANY problems with the Cube.  But you have to remember that seemingly insignificant little problems like that are really dangerous if they add up.  If Nintendo can't notice one tiny problem they can't notice 100 of them.
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Post by: mouse_clicker on April 08, 2004, 12:54:12 PM
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I agree with the Pro in that console colour was just one of MANY problems with the Cube. But you have to remember that seemingly insignificant little problems like that are really dangerous if they add up.


That's why I don't see the use in singling out something like console color- it contributes, among many others, to a much bigger problem, so I don't think it deserves special recognition.

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If Nintendo can't notice one tiny problem they can't notice 100 of them.


Just like how if you can't notice one tiny ant you can't notice 100 of them? Or how if you can't see one tiny grain of sand you can't see 100 of them? What kind of logic are you using here, Ian?
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 08, 2004, 01:10:50 PM
"Just like how if you can't notice one tiny ant you can't notice 100 of them? Or how if you can't see one tiny grain of sand you can't see 100 of them? What kind of logic are you using here, Ian?"

Well I can't see 100 grains of sand if they're spread across the Disneyland parking lot.    Okay that analogy doesn't work well if you use something like ants or sand but I think it still makes sense.

What I'm saying is that Nintendo neglected to notice a LOT of small problems with the Cube.  As a result they all added up and people had a whole lot of excuses to not buy a Cube.  If Nintendo paid attention to the tiny details these problems wouldn't have made it out the door and wouldn't have created the bigger problem: trying to sell a console that doesn't sell.

I think it's worth singling out the colour issue because it was SO obvious from the get go and could have easily been fixed.  NOA could have just promoted the black colour instead.  The "professional" videogame media was making fun of the purple colour from the get go and NOA didn't clue in.  They had months to see the problem and had a solution that wouldn't affect production yet did nothing.
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Post by: mouse_clicker on April 08, 2004, 01:15:30 PM
I completely agree with you that Nintendo ignored little problems, thinking they didn't matter, but ended up ignoring so many that combined they did matter. I was just pointing out that your analogy wasn't exactly water tight.
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Post by: ib2kool4u912 on April 08, 2004, 04:07:21 PM
Marketing and all that aside, does anyone one else besides me think that Gamecube actually looks better in purple then it does in black?
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Post by: mouse_clicker on April 08, 2004, 04:10:48 PM
I do! I was about 10th in line when I got my Gamecube at Wal-Mart, so there were plenty of each color and I went straight for the purple ones. I got their only spice orange controller, too- everybody said I got the ugly controller, and I reminded them that I got the only ugly controller!
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Post by: Beave on April 08, 2004, 06:07:17 PM
I went black, colour coordination is very important Nintendo should try black, silver, dark silver console next time, blue/ green led and make it more slim.

The PS2 is probably the best looking console.

We just need more racing, sport and fighting games. Maybe more mature theme adventure games too.
Aggresive positioning also. I went out a couple of weeks ago and there were xbox game demos up an a plasma at a night club.
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Post by: GrAyLaN on April 08, 2004, 06:16:47 PM
Woah, this is like 3 topics in one...

well, 1st I'm going to adress the fact that people are reading the first thing I said and not the second thing I said...I'm not some psychopath who gets his jollies from watching squiring blood on a video game and I'm not going to grow up to be some mass murderer. I like games that offer freeroaming in an environment where I can snage a car anytime I want...I like games that offer cool fighting moves (like MK) and I like the scary games like the RE series...If I could, I would restate the title to "Not enough MATURE games on the GCN".

Second...um...I don't own a purple gamecube...I bought the black one.

Third...SNES had a green color during later production!? Was that for the Japanese Famicon or Both American and japanese? And you guys were right! There is purple on my SNES...I never noticed!  

-GrAyLaN
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Post by: Shift Key on April 08, 2004, 06:19:05 PM
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Marketing and all that aside, does anyone one else besides me think that Gamecube actually looks better in purple then it does in black?
Hell yeah. I have a purple GC sitting next to a silver PS2 and a silver TV. Makes them all stand out too. I would have considered a spice system if it were out, but black is just too conservative IMO.
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Post by: mouse_clicker on April 08, 2004, 06:22:45 PM
GrAyLaN: The SNEs didn't come in green, it TURNED green over time.
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Post by: GrAyLaN on April 08, 2004, 06:26:31 PM
Conservative....as it sits in that place I call a room I see nothing conservative about it...
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Post by: The Omen on April 08, 2004, 06:30:58 PM
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That's why I don't see the use in singling out something like console color- it contributes, among many others, to a much bigger problem, so I don't think it deserves special recognition.



The color is the first impression of the console.  It's fine for blokes like us who'll buy Nintendo it no matter what they dish out.  But for the mainstream, Purple was , and is , a ridiculous color.   Mouseclicker, you brought up your spice controller.  Spice , even, is well ahead in terms of universal appeal.  If i'm Joe F'N Blow, and I see this purple monstrosity, then I see the sleek black and blue PS2, what do you think I'm going to buy?  Obviously, you think thats dumb, but thats the market Nintendo must grab to be a huge success, not a 'niche' market.
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Post by: mouse_clicker on April 08, 2004, 06:50:25 PM
I'm not arguing that marketing the purple Gamecube was a GOOD idea, just that I don't see why IT'S being singled out while none of the other contributing problems are.

And I hardly see how the PS2 has a nice design at all- why the hell is the base smaller than the console itself? People only like it because it's black with blue lettering. Same with the GBA SP- the things a friggin's square for crying outloud (I thought Nintendo learned their lesson on quadrilaterals with the NES controller), but everyone and their mom thinks they look great because it's shiny.  
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Post by: alvinaloy on April 08, 2004, 08:20:32 PM
I don't see why the hang up over it's color. I'm 27 and absolutely love my Indigo GC. Spice is wicked too. Black/Silver is such a boring and dull color. Then again, maybe cos I'm Asian (Chinese if you may)

Have you guys seen the Limited Edition Gamecubes available over in Japan? There's the White FF: CC, the Red Char Aznable, the Green one (forgot the theme), and recently, a gray MGS: TT. I believe there's still more.
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Post by: odifiend on April 08, 2004, 08:24:20 PM
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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker[/iI don't see why IT'S being singled out while none of the other contributing problems are.


As others have said, purple defined the image of the GCN early on due to Nintendo's advertising.  And the color purple is...salient (Being incredibly polite) and while it is by no means the worst problem the GCN has, it is the most obvious.

While the SNES had purple on it, it was not truly purple.  Also back then the competition was not as numerous and the market as superficial.  Also back then, as Ian said, the Nintendo ad campaign was so good they could take your garbage, and you'd want to buy it back from them.
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Post by: Rich on April 08, 2004, 09:14:53 PM
Well despite the poor choice of color by Nintendo they made me think that indigo looked better so I bought the indigo one. Then when my Gamecube broke I went out and I got the platinum one and i love it. the should have released platinum as the first color. Platinum with a cool blue or white LED light. Now thats what I call sexy.
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Post by: GrAyLaN on April 08, 2004, 09:36:01 PM
Hmm, Platinum with a blue light. I'm intruiged. However...if you want a nearly infinite color choice you can always get your platform game system painted. It's rather expensive but the results shine like the hood of a new car. *drool*

-GrAyLaN

Look at the paintjobs here:

http://www.colorwarepc.com/
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Post by: ThePerm on April 08, 2004, 11:36:17 PM
simplicity looks slick thats why rectangular objects win over rounder objects....gamecube is a cube..so i dont see how that works..but i guess cubes are more rounded then rectangular ps2s.....

im hoping the average consumer likes he next systems design..i personally dont care what it looks liek as long as its made bynintendo...but i think i want alot of other people to buy the cube so i can have my third party games with my first party games.
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Post by: Chongman on April 09, 2004, 04:01:54 PM

Though not completely necessary, I hope nintendo has learnedn and improved upong their console design after the success of the sp. What I'm really wishing for is an N5 that makes you stop in your tracks, drop everything you're carrying, and either mutter "Ki Rei" or "s-sweet." Something futuristic, you know? Platinum with blue rimmed lighting would be...sweet.

Black with blue rimmed lighting would be sweet. Heck! Purple with blue rimmed lighting would be sweet! AHHH!! BLUE RIMMED!!!
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Post by: GrAyLaN on April 09, 2004, 09:37:57 PM
Blue Rimmed lighting? Do you know what a sytem with rimmed lighting would cost!? But money aside...that would rock. Or...Red rimmed lighting! Black with red trim lights... *drool* Okay...now I don't care what it would cost.
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Post by: DrZoidberg on April 10, 2004, 02:22:42 AM
it would cost very very little.
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Post by: Jessmo26 on April 10, 2004, 11:17:12 PM
Ok Lets look for a sec *** means its not out yet ** means it not a good value avoid

RE0: Not a remake and the best looking game out on any console period

RE:1 remake: a remake but so difffernt with new areas puzzles weapons and creatures it only resembles the old version in story as for the graphics ^^^

RE:2 is the port you played its a rehash with no updated graphics**

RE:3 same^^**

RE:CVX supposed to be a good game but its a dreamcast and ps2 port ^^**

Eternal darkness ne of the bloodiest disturbing and mature Games out there

RE4: Not out yet but one of the Gcs most wanted***

so basically if you look at this list youll see GC dominates the Horror genere Not in quantity but quality wise RE:make RE0 RE:4 and eternaldarkness> any horror game out today and in developement

then you have
Metroid prime: not a bloody game but one of the best out
starwars RS series ^^
giest***
Metroid prime 2***
F-zero
die hard**
def jam vandetta

then you have great 3rd party games Like
mortal kombat DA
Soulcaliber 2
Bloodrayne (seem like somthing up your alley)
True crime
all the james bond EA titles
Turok evolution
Medal of Honor
Lord of the rings the return of the King
def jam vandetta 2***
serious Sam
baten kiatos***
blood omen 2 (another game youd like)
Bloody roar primal fury (if you consider a fighting game violent)
Buffy the vampire slayer?? I can assume theres blood in this game
Dead to rights (right up your alley)
evclave1,2 If you consider chopping people in half violent
enter the matrix (yes violent indeed)
splinter cell, 1
splinter cell 2
ghost recon
Ghost recon 2
rainbow 6 3***
x-2 wolverines revenge (yes violent indeed) here this is a link to reviews
Im sure there more but Im proving a point that GC has more than enough mature games

http://www.gamespot.com/gamecube/index.html





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Post by: KDR_11k on April 11, 2004, 07:21:30 AM
You know what? You wouldn't be screaming for blood if you were living in a country with enforced ratings. With fifteen years you wouldn't even be able to buy pretty much any FPS game.
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Post by: GrAyLaN on April 11, 2004, 04:21:59 PM
That's alotta' games. I did play Metroid Prime at a friends ... but we got stuck on the same area for 3 weeks. Now I hate it. RE4, Killer 7, Splinter Cell 1&2 and MK: Deception look promicing. And no, I don't expect any story line from MK...as long as they bring back Baraka like promised...I'm happy.

-GrAyLaN
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Post by: odifiend on April 11, 2004, 05:28:56 PM
Bad news, MK: Deception won't be on GameCube.  Right when they finally got away from stale gameplay...
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Post by: Shift Key on April 11, 2004, 07:23:03 PM
Graylan - Please tell me you faced Ridley in MP! That boss fight alone was worth the wait ^_^ so i suggest you go back and play it again until you face him.
*waves pitchfork menacingly in Graylan's direction*
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Post by: GrAyLaN on April 11, 2004, 07:56:50 PM
Yeah...we fought him. Then we got stuck in some tunnel somewhere. Aw well. Hopefully Metroid Prime 2 is really good. Let's look forward to that & Paper Mario 2 & PikMin 2 & Animal Crossing 2 & TrueCrime 2.. and *trails off*

-GrAyLaN  
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 11, 2004, 08:14:53 PM
You saw Ridley and... got stuck?  You gotta be kidding me.  Finish this game, THEN you can start anticipating Metroid Prime 2.  Keep things in proper order.
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Post by: GrAyLaN on April 11, 2004, 08:21:37 PM
U.U   *sigh*      Looks like I'm borrowing Metroid Prime again. Off topic but I just heard...Wierd Al's parents died.

-GrAyLaN
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 11, 2004, 08:36:26 PM
I mean, if you fought Ridley, then you've basically got 2 minutes worth of walking and jumping between Ridley and the final battle.  It sounds like you didn't beat the final portion of the game, which is kinda strange since there are no serious puzzles involved at this point; you simply just take Samus there when you're thru with Ridley.  I didn't/don't mean to sound mean.
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Post by: KDR_11k on April 11, 2004, 11:13:10 PM
Meh, never managed to kill Prime. Well, at least I was better in MP than in Super Metroid where I never managed to defeat Ridley...
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on April 12, 2004, 12:05:51 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
You know what? You wouldn't be screaming for blood if you were living in a country with enforced ratings. With fifteen years you wouldn't even be able to buy pretty much any FPS game.


god forbid

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Bad news, MK: Deception won't be on GameCube. Right when they finally got away from stale gameplay...


Nor will NARC. I think the GC really could have used it. I guess I'll just have to get it on by other systems :S

- GrAyLaN
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Post by: oohhboy on April 12, 2004, 05:35:09 AM
If a person really wanted to see blood and violence they should go to a slaughter house or get a PC with Postal 2. That is the only game I have seen that was mean to be totally, absolutly, 100%, with the utter most disregard for life in any form or shape.

Point is, you want mega blood and guts, all the consoles out isn't right for you, let alone the GC.
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Post by: GrAyLaN on April 12, 2004, 07:05:30 PM
!? Can't think of anything to say...there's so much to reply too ?!

-GrAy...no...something new this time...

-gRaYlAn  ....aw...that sux...

-GrAyLaN
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 12, 2004, 08:18:50 PM
The most utter disregard for life in a game is in Lemmings.

And Rainbow Six PC, multiplayer Co-op.

*_*
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Post by: KDR_11k on April 12, 2004, 08:43:10 PM
Nope, the Lemmings clone where you have to STOP them from reaching the goal by means of bombs, machine guns, etc.
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on April 12, 2004, 10:19:13 PM
I dunno about you guys, but I occasionally like to play a game where I go nuts and kill like 500 f'n people. GTA is a bit too slow paced for this, actually, I mean something fast paced like GunGrave or Quake III . The GC could use more games like this, actually, I think. I'm a little crazy, also.

- GrAyLaN
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 12, 2004, 11:16:47 PM
That's what Rainbow Six was good for... you and your online teammates storm an embassy in under 2 minutes flat, no good guys are hurt, 16 terrorists are dead, and all that's left is the terrorist with the bomb and 30 hostages in the foyer.  You all creep close the doorways, some take a peek to assess the numbers, and you're waiting for a GO Code to rush in, then -- you pop your partner in the leg with a silenced pistol, so he's limping and doesn't know who the hell hit him -- then you turn around and blast another teammate in the head with your sniper rifle -- scares the terrorists by luckily you kill him before he detonates the bomb!  The rest of the squad rushes in to clean house -- you drop a frag grenade in the room -- KILL EVERYBODY -- and have LOL good time!
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Post by: DrZoidberg on April 13, 2004, 04:21:06 AM
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Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-R
I dunno about you guys, but I occasionally like to play a game where I go nuts and kill like 500 f'n people. GTA is a bit too slow paced for this, actually, I mean something fast paced like GunGrave or Quake III . The GC could use more games like this, actually, I think. I'm a little crazy, also.

- GrAyLaN


i enjoyed carmageddon for that reason, more games need to realise how to be fun without some assinine dragged out story. needs more Metal Slug.

-GrAyLaN
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Post by: GrAyLaN on April 13, 2004, 02:33:52 PM
THANK YOU PEOPLE. You have seen the light. Ya' need to lose it every once in a while. I find games like SimCity,

Lemmings, GTA and True Crime...are GREAT stress releavers. (Spelled that wrong)

SimCity - Causes alotta' storms / natural disasters / Monster attacks

Lemmings - They fall off stuff...and you can fast forward them...super-fast-mass-lemming-suicide

GTA and True Crime - 'nuff said...I meen come on!

Other games are stress relevers too (spelled that wrong too) like PikMin...I love having them beat the ever loving crap out of random bugs...even the ones that don't fight back.

Okay...maybe we're all a "little" crazy.

-GrAyLaN
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Post by: Bill Aurion on April 13, 2004, 02:37:23 PM
Who says you need a violent game to relieve stress?  I find Zelda games to be great for it, as well as Animal Crossing...Nothing beats stress like a leisurely trek across Hyrule or decorating...I mean, how in the world can you relax in the such high-strung games that you listed?
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Post by: GrAyLaN on April 13, 2004, 02:48:09 PM
Easily! I can't get unstressed by AC or Legend of Zelda (I own AC and Zelda) ...their fun though. I just need to take it out with a fire fight or PikMin war attack!

-GrAyLaN
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 13, 2004, 06:02:53 PM
Rated "M" for "meh."

"Losing it" gets old, which is why I won't pay for a game where "losing it" is all you do.

I've noticed somewhere nowhere that the use of violent media to relieve stress leads to the yearning for more violent media.  How can some people, under 17 years of age, be so stressed?!

I like Zelda too, for the simple purpose of being immersed in a "living" active environment.  Stress or no stress.

Take karate or something.
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Post by: Catbus Is Taken on April 13, 2004, 08:21:12 PM
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Originally posted by: GrAyLaN
Easily! I can't get unstressed by AC or Legend of Zelda (I own AC and Zelda) ...their fun though. I just need to take it out with a fire fight or PikMin war attack!

-GrAyLaN


I get my stress releivers from playing VF4 for hours on end, untill whoever I am playing gives up and runs away.

~TaKeN
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Post by: KDR_11k on April 14, 2004, 12:06:29 AM
Soul Calibur II* and Counterstrike (I don't subject myself to CS voluntarily) are great to build up anger and hate, Serious Sam or Quake 3 Arena are somewhat acceptable ways of getting those emotions out again. For proper stress relief you need lots of enemies that die from little damage and good weapon feeling. The weapon must feel powerful. Sound, hit effects and visible damage are the most important factors here.

*My mother is pretty close to forbidding me to play that game since I'm really angry after a few rounds of Weapon Master.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on April 14, 2004, 10:37:51 AM
just play TS2 with falmethrowers as the only weapon thats always fun
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Post by: GrAyLaN on April 14, 2004, 05:44:07 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
How can some people, under 17 years of age, be so stressed?


Ya' know what's funny 'bout that...just today my health teacher brought in the school psychiatrist (not for me...for a class speech)...and he had us make a list of stressers. IT WAS HUGE. Something like:

chores-jobs-guys-girls-peers-gangs-homework-money-parents-siblings-tests-self appearance- self esteem-dating-health-sex-drugs problems-alcohol problems-friends-teachers-princibles-restricting school rules- rules on R rated movies - Problems with lockers-having stuff stolen-losing a loved one to death-losing a pet to death....

And that wasn't even 25% of the list...the thing was HUGE! And it was all stuff that all of us highschool teens face within a week...it's all stuff that makes us feel low...stupid and even unworthy of the friends that we DO have. I think I have the right to release some anger and stress on a video game when I'm not allowed (nor do I necassarily want to) take it out on people. I don't want to hurt people. It's not who I am. Granted some friends and I have been forced to the point of throwing fists...it's just not something I like to do...with the exception of videogames. Games are harmless to those of us who can handle them and know that they aren't real life...I happen to think games are a simple way to release stress. (OMG I spelled release right this time!)

-GrAyLaN


..also..another stressor..I have to be 17 to buy a game rated M and 18 to buy an R rated movie like T2!
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Post by: mouse_clicker on April 14, 2004, 05:55:12 PM
GRaylan, you have NOTHING to worry about- worrying is one of the worst things you can do, so I strongly suggest you take a more carefree attitude to life. If you think you're stressed I think you'll feel a lot better.
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Post by: The Omen on April 14, 2004, 06:18:01 PM
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GRaylan, you have NOTHING to worry about- worrying is one of the worst things you can do, so I strongly suggest you take a more carefree attitude to life. If you think you're stressed I think you'll feel a lot better.


Yes yes.  Become a slacker!

Kidding, by the way...

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Post by: GrAyLaN on April 14, 2004, 06:18:07 PM
Well, I'm not stressed too bad. Just got the normal stresses...nothing major. I'm just saying when I have "one of those days"...you know the kind...I just wanna go home, sit down, steal a car and mow over some gang members.

-GrAyLaN
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Post by: Mario on April 14, 2004, 06:30:48 PM
Play Viewtiful Joe, seriously. I find that game is the best way to relieve stress, the satisfaction of destroying enemy after enemy in that game is unparalleled. Don't try the hard parts or else you'll get really angry though, heh.

Timesplitters 2 and SSBM are also good, without needing a mature rating.
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Post by: GrAyLaN on April 14, 2004, 06:38:57 PM
Timesplitters 2? On the Cube!? REALLY!? OMG. I WAS SO UNAWARE! I'm going straight to eBay with my next allowence.

-GrAyLaN