Post by: StrikerObi on March 31, 2004, 04:52:40 PM
The latest issue of Famitsu Weekly has revealed that the popular Japanese gaming magazine will be unveiling the sequel to the Nintendo 64 title Paper Mario. The update to Mario Story (the Japanese title for Paper Mario) will be released some time later this year in Japan. It will feature the same paper-like 2 1/2 dimensional graphics its predecessor was known for. According to this article, Mario will even be able to fold himself up into a paper airplane to fly around. There is currently no news on this title coming to North America or Europe, but it is likely that this news will revealed some time closer to E3.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 31, 2004, 05:07:13 PM
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Post by: Mario on March 31, 2004, 06:21:17 PM
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Why does it have to be Mario?
Why not?
Post by: jasonditz on March 31, 2004, 08:49:55 PM
Post by: pyrokamileon on March 31, 2004, 09:07:33 PM
although referring to the "why mario" comment. I agree, why mario? I haven't had a chance to play a mario rpg but I'm working my way through the mario and luigi rpg and I think that a sequel to that would be much more impelling, oh well, this is only first word, here's hoping!
there are plenty of reasons for us nintendophiles to quibble and quabble over the little things, but it's stuff like this that reminds me why I love nintendo.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 01, 2004, 12:41:48 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on April 01, 2004, 03:51:13 AM
I will buy this game the day it comes out. I am ecstatic!
Post by: Ian Sane on April 01, 2004, 06:07:58 AM
Paper Zelda?! I like the idea of a Zelda RPG but not in the "Paper" style. That just seems too goofy for Zelda in my opinion. If you thought the Wind Waker backlash was big it would be nothing compared to that if Link could fold himself into a paper airplane.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 01, 2004, 06:35:34 AM
Post by: Selochin on April 01, 2004, 10:13:51 AM
Post by: pyrokamileon on April 01, 2004, 10:28:21 AM
on the paper mario thing, I haven't gotten a chance to get my hands on the cart, but supposing it is that good I guess I'd better hurry and try it out. I'm still not done with mario and luigi, but it quickly became one of my favorites.
Post by: odifiend on April 01, 2004, 11:39:52 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on April 01, 2004, 02:32:21 PM
I don't mind that the view maybe similar to the original, but I would prefer cel shading to the exact same paper technique. I thought cel shading was mostly inspired by Paper Mario's look.
Unfortunately for us they took the paper gimick one step too far. Paper airplanes? What's the boss? King Kutter? The Evil Scisors? The Big Book of Matches?
At least fire balls will seem like a real threat in this Mario game. Joking aside though, you guys are right. Why do they do this with every idea they come up with. They brainstorm behind a ninety foot tall bullet proof wall for three years until they come up with an idea that has nothing to do with Mairo or Zelda and then tack it on like we won't notice that it could have been an original game with real focus on back packs, or oragami, or sailing the open seas.
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Post by: KDR_11k on April 01, 2004, 08:00:24 PM
Post by: GoldShadow1 on April 03, 2004, 08:56:41 AM
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on April 03, 2004, 11:19:31 AM
And how can sports titles innovate without no longer being sports titls?
Post by: KDR_11k on April 03, 2004, 10:21:38 PM
Post by: GoldShadow1 on April 04, 2004, 06:10:34 PM
Don't get me wrong, though. I have high hopes for this Paper Mario 2. Come to think of it, I still need to go back and beat Paper Mario. What I've played of it was extremely entertaining.
Post by: Koopa Troopa on April 04, 2004, 06:20:25 PM
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Exactly, KDR. There's nothing that makes me want to buy a $50 sequel that hasn't made substantial improvements over an N64 game I can get for $15
I don't think KDR was talking about PM. So, what games do you like? Final Fantasy maybe? Dragon Warrior? They're bigger offenders than Paper Mario.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 04, 2004, 06:24:28 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on April 04, 2004, 08:50:20 PM
Either way, I doubt this is just a minor update (hey, noone complained about Jak II or III or all the other sequels that came out or will come out soon). Of course there will be elements from the first game in this, else they wouldn't use the title, but, like almost every sequel, it will have new stuff compared to the first.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 04, 2004, 08:55:09 PM
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(hey, noone complained about Jak II or III or all the other sequels that came out or will come out soon)
No one complained about Jak II or Ratchet and Clank 2, no, but everybody always seems to find the time to rail on Nintendo when they don't completely revolutionize a genre with every release.
Post by: Deguello on April 05, 2004, 01:40:23 AM
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Originally posted by: nemo_83
I've been waiting for a fully 3d cel shaded Paper Mario SEQUEL for a long time. I've been sickened lately by rummors that it might just be a ramake further solidifying GC's reputation of a game collector's system.
I don't mind that the view maybe similar to the original, but I would prefer cel shading to the exact same paper technique. I thought cel shading was mostly inspired by Paper Mario's look.
Unfortunately for us they took the paper gimick one step too far. Paper airplanes? What's the boss? King Kutter? The Evil Scisors? The Big Book of Matches?
At least fire balls will seem like a real threat in this Mario game. Joking aside though, you guys are right. Why do they do this with every idea they come up with. They brainstorm behind a ninety foot tall bullet proof wall for three years until they come up with an idea that has nothing to do with Mairo or Zelda and then tack it on like we won't notice that it could have been an original game with real focus on back packs, or oragami, or sailing the open seas.
Hey superguy. It's nice that you waited until you played the game to pass judgement, eh? "Unfortunately for us?" Who's "us?" And you seem to pass off the airplane idea as some kind of gimmick while at the same time wanting "origami" for Paper Mario. Which begs the question, isn't making a Paper Airplane technically origami? It seems like you don't know exactly what you want and just wish to be quarrelsome, even if you don't have a legitimate reason to.
Cel-shading was already in a couple of games before Paper Mario, so I don't see where get that Cel-shading is Paper Mario's "look." And unless I'm mistaken, the original Paper Mario was full 3-D.
I get the feeling you already have it out for this game, nemo, by your entertaining the notion that this is possibly a "remake:, when if you had even seen a screenshot or so you would know to the contrary.
Post by: joshnickerson on April 05, 2004, 04:06:10 AM
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(hey, noone complained about Jak II or III or all the other sequels that came out or will come out soon)
No one complained about Jak II or Ratchet and Clank 2, no, but everybody always seems to find the time to rail on Nintendo when they don't completely revolutionize a genre with every release.
HA! How true.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 05, 2004, 07:30:26 AM
Paper Mario 2 is hardly a result of sequel madness since the first Paper Mario came out three years ago. That's a perfectly acceptable gap. In fact I'd say anything more than that is too big of a gap. It just may seem less new since the last Mario RPG came out only last year but that game plays differently than Paper Mario and is on the a different system so it's okay.
And even if Paper Mario 2 isn't a really innovative game it doesn't have to be. As a sequel it merely has to improve on the original design or at least that's all I need. SSBM for example isn't innovative but it greatly improves on the original's design and sure enough it's one of the best games on the Cube. Quality is just as important as innovation or perhaps even more important. If a game strives to be high quality it will often turn out really good. Innovation however doesn't always guarantee quality. Nintendo tried to innovate with Super Mario Sunshine by adding the water pack elements. In the end that "innovation" didn't make a difference. The game was disappointing because Super Mario 64 was still better. I would rather have a REALLY good but generic Paper Mario sequel than one that's innovative but isn't as fun to play.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on April 06, 2004, 06:31:58 AM
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Avinash: How about new levels instead of only those stadiums that all play the same? Mutators? Optional weapons? If they can't add anything new they shouldn't make the games, simple as that. There's no law forcing them to make a new one every year
They make new ones on different consoles(except Mario party) who's going to go out and buy a snes to play Mario Kart when they can get it on the GC?
Mario party I'll agree is overused but meh, its one game so why should anyone care.
Post by: KDR_11k on April 06, 2004, 08:01:18 AM
Post by: NotRimmer on April 06, 2004, 02:47:03 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldShadow1
Exactly, KDR. There's nothing that makes me want to buy a $50 sequel that hasn't made substantial improvements over an N64 game I can get for $15.
Please tell me where I can find Paper Mario for $15
Post by: Mario on April 06, 2004, 02:57:29 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldShadow1
Exactly, KDR. There's nothing that makes me want to buy a $50 sequel that hasn't made substantial improvements over an N64 game I can get for $15.
Please tell me where I can find Paper Mario for $15
I thought he was talking about sports games, not Paper Mario? Because that's what KDR was talking about (sports games)... and then he said "Exactly, KDR".
confusion +1
Fire balls that burn paper would be cool.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 06, 2004, 03:11:52 PM
I would find this ironic if you like the Final Fantasy series...
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 06, 2004, 04:51:25 PM
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I would find this ironic if you like the Final Fantasy series...
Or Majora's Mask... or Wind Waker... or Super Mario Bros. 2 and 3, and World... or Super Metroid... or A Link to the Past... in all reality, some of the best games ever made basically take one game's idea and perfects it. All of the games I listed I think we can all agree are some of the best ever made, yet none of them really expounded upon their predecessors too much. That doesn't make them any worse, though- there's nothing wrong with taking what worked from a previous game and making it better. Goldshadow, I think you're just looking for reasons to write off Paper Mario 2 even now- hell, you don't even know what's going to be in the game besides the very little Nintendo's press release has told you!
Post by: KDR_11k on April 06, 2004, 09:42:47 PM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on April 07, 2004, 02:31:55 AM
My interest in RPG's = 0
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 07, 2004, 03:18:15 AM
Cubed: What a productive comment!
Post by: Ian Sane on April 07, 2004, 07:11:04 AM
I would also consider Majora's Mask a pretty big change up in the Zelda formula because of the three day thing. That's really unique and a fair bit of people have been turned off of that game because of that major change. I would consider MM to be the perfect example of an innovative concept being successfully integrated into an existing series.
Of course if you're really picky then you might not consider those significant enough enhancements. But if you're going to be like that then Paper Mario 1 isn't all that unique since it borrows the general design of Dragon Warrior or, if you want to go way back, Adventure.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 07, 2004, 11:14:09 AM
Post by: Catbus Is Taken on April 13, 2004, 08:24:44 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldShadow1
Exactly, KDR. There's nothing that makes me want to buy a $50 sequel that hasn't made substantial improvements over an N64 game I can get for $15.
Please tell me where I can find Paper Mario for $15
Not Rimmer? Not worth it.
Post by: Evan_G on April 14, 2004, 08:50:21 AM
