Post by: The Omen on March 09, 2004, 03:55:34 AM
"I am however working closely on Pikmin 2 and two other undisclosed titles alongside it. I hope we will be able to release both of those titles before the end of the year"
So, if they're undisclosed, that means its not Mario 128, and its not WW2. Could it be another Nintendo franchise? Maybe Earthbound or Kid Icarus? Or something completely new? Hopefully, he'll reveal at E3.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 09, 2004, 05:03:11 AM
Post by: Pinnacle on March 09, 2004, 09:01:13 AM
It could be a new stuff from Nintendo's newly formed japanese studio. ( the link contains info on new studio)
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 09, 2004, 10:31:55 AM
Post by: Rich on March 09, 2004, 11:02:08 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 09, 2004, 11:06:37 AM
My translation:
According to an interview with the official English Nintendo magazine, Shigeru Miyamoto declared that he is working on 2 new undisclosed games, and that they will come out sometime this year. [working on new zelda, mario, pikmin 2 blah blah...] There is a strong chance these 2 new games will be revealed next May in Nintendo's 2004 E3 conference.
Post by: Rich on March 09, 2004, 11:14:08 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 09, 2004, 11:27:37 AM
Post by: Smadte on March 09, 2004, 02:52:07 PM
He never says those kind of things!
Post by: The Omen on March 09, 2004, 03:07:46 PM
Post by: Pinnacle on March 09, 2004, 04:56:46 PM
Post by: Rich on March 09, 2004, 05:10:14 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 09, 2004, 05:49:58 PM
God I miss the old days.
The president has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president?
Post by: Chongman on March 09, 2004, 06:05:40 PM
what if we weren't bad enough....O_o;;
Post by: Uglydot on March 11, 2004, 01:52:04 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 11, 2004, 04:48:53 PM
The only games I've seen successfully pull off a deep story are ED, MGS1 and most old Lucasarts games. And it's nice when they pull it off... but most of the time their efforts are misguided.
If you ask me I'd rather developers who don't know what they're doing (Square with FF8 onwards, Konami with MGS2, pretty much any attempt to impress me with an "epic" story that makes no sense) work on making the games fun instead and half-ass the story on purpose since it's going to suck anyway.
Post by: Ocarina Blue on March 11, 2004, 07:22:30 PM
Post by: ThePerm on March 11, 2004, 07:43:12 PM
Post by: kennyb27 on March 12, 2004, 04:01:47 AM
QuoteThat's exactly what I was thinking when I read that.
wait what do you mean by ed having a low level story?
QuoteWow. Would that be incredible or what?
Pokemon RPG to launch the DS or something
Post by: Rich on March 12, 2004, 09:13:27 AM
I do understand what you guys are saying though, and if the gameplay is there I'll keep playing but its always nice to have a good story.
Post by: nemo_83 on March 12, 2004, 09:29:04 AM
I'll agree that developers are using story wrongly in games these days. For example in TLoZ OoT we don't walk up to the castle and get knocked down by horses racing out. We watched Link get knocked down by horses running out.
Developers need story, but they need to be wise to make it important to the gameplay. Make it the gameplay. If it cannot be expressed in gameplay then it may be too artsy or just too abstract and thus can be edited out. I just wish they would stop taking short cuts with lengthy cinemas.
A good example of modern story telling in gaming is Abe's Odyssey. Though it has its mistakes where we should have been playing but instead had to watch, but it always led to what we were doing; whether that was escaping Rupture Farms or rescuing our pals, we were doing it in the game.
The kind of story telling in LttP allows for pliable gameplay and replayability. The kind in OoT does not have as great a quality to LttP in intergrating story with gameplay.
Post by: Smadte on March 12, 2004, 02:23:41 PM
Truer Words have never been said! I don't like how you're held by the hand in games today. The player should be free to play and not jerked around by some narritive: "OK, now do this" (STOP - play story sequence). "OK, now do this" (STOP play story sequence)............
The player should play the story, not watch it.
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 12, 2004, 04:11:29 PM
It's why I hated PoP so much too.
"This is how you do the puzzle. Now go do it, then fight a little, then we'll resume our half-assed attempt at an epic story and then tell you how to do the next one. Don't worry, you can't die, all you have to do is press L. Unless you're in a fight of course, in which case... how lucky are you feeling today?"
And MP was perfect... the story wasn't intrusive. There was almost no story if you didn't go out of your way to read up on it, and if you did the story and background details were actually pretty good stuff. You rarely ever lost control of Samus. The only problem I ever had with that game was the last escape sequence.
But that's not all I meant. What I especially hate is when stupid developers try to pull off a deep story. It never works... MGS2, the FF series (especially FFX), Xenosaga are cases in point. Those storylines insulted my intelligence, not because they weren't deep, but because they tried to be deep and failed miserably. I'd rather have a story that makes no sense on purpose.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on March 12, 2004, 04:25:27 PM
Post by: Smadte on March 12, 2004, 04:36:26 PM
I really enjoyed POP, though. Even though the story was spoonfed to you as you went, it was very minimal, and it was more about gameplay than anything else.
Post by: mouse_clicker on March 12, 2004, 04:47:15 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 12, 2004, 05:15:55 PM
QuoteThe gameplay was spoonfed to you as well, which is why I hate it.
I really enjoyed POP, though. Even though the story was spoonfed to you as you went, it was very minimal, and it was more about gameplay than anything else.
I've always wanted to play ICO, just never got the chance.
Post by: Uglydot on March 13, 2004, 05:13:25 AM
Post by: Chongman on March 13, 2004, 09:03:04 AM
personaly i believe games are just there for fun. story can be fun. gameplay, deffinitely. coop play and multiplayer a big yes. flashy graphics, not always. complicated game mechanics, frustrating. clunky response times and repetetive ideas, heck no.
who's going to play doom 3 for the graphics? well...who the hell is going to play doom 3?
Post by: mouse_clicker on March 13, 2004, 09:15:36 AM
Quote
I've always wanted to play ICO, just never got the chance.
You really should- the cut scenes are such that they'll take over for a second to show you something, but then give you back control before it's finished. In some scenes it's quite breathtaking.
Post by: Bloodworth on March 13, 2004, 10:11:52 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 13, 2004, 10:52:06 AM
And it was still way too easy to figure out what to do next. There's always only one way to go forward, and once you find it there's always a fight and then a save point.
I guess my problem was that there was no thinking involved at all. And I could have forgiven this if the game was fun, but it wasn't. It was just following an obvious path and the fights were a pain.
But to get back on topic, one of the undisclosed titles is probably Buzz for the DS. I'm just hoping at least one title is for the GC.
