Post by: mouse_clicker on February 21, 2004, 08:45:02 AM
). What was really odd, though, was that she was wearing a shirt that said "I 
Nerds". That posed an interesting question that led my friends and me into a very in-depth debate- just how early are social classes emerging nowadays? I'm only a few years older than this nerd girl (as we have come to call her) and I distinctly remember that when I was her age, about 6th grade, school was filled almost entirely with sheep that followed the leader of the week- there were no "real" class distinctions beyond perhaps the preppy kids and everyone else. 7th grade was much the same way, as was most of 8th grade (which is probably why I hated middle school so much, because everybody was trying to find out where they fit in). It wasn't until about 9th grade when social classes really started to emerge and began clicking together. And something that makes this whole ordeal even more puzzling is that such a shirt as nerd girl was wearing implies a subclass, that of the nerd lovers, which most definitely did not appear until much later than 6th grade. I've debated this with many people, with their ages ranging from 16 to 21, and they all seem to have had the same experience as I did, in different times at different schools, with classes not really emerging until 9th grade- how is it that social classes between my generation and that of 6 years' my elder would change very little, but in a period of roughly half that time such a radical change would come about? Any thoughts on the subject would be welcomed.
Post by: ThePerm on February 21, 2004, 09:38:19 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 21, 2004, 09:42:39 AM
2. Blame Britney Spears.
3. Differing levels of mental maturity lead to differing times when the individual finds his/her "socio-ecological" niche. Some experience this during/after their transition to high school, others are delayed till that fictitious magical place called "college." The rest may be a mixed bag.
4. Blame Britney Spears.
Post by: PaLaDiN on February 21, 2004, 09:44:33 AM
"Nerd" was pretty much used to insult anybody who studied, and was countered with "moron".
I hope by saying that "I love nerds" girls are a subclass, you are talking about it in the Java sense of the word - inherits attributes from the parent class but does some modifications... and not as in, inferior to normal classes.
I've had a model love me, for heaven's sake. The counter-examples don't get more convincing than that.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 21, 2004, 09:49:17 AM
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3. Differing levels of mental maturity lead to differing times when the individual finds his/her "socio-ecological" niche. Some experience this during/after their transition to high school, others are delayed till that fictitious magical place called "college." The rest may be a mixed bag.
You have a very good point- everything clicked for me in 6th rade, so middle school was very surreal watching everyone struggling to do the same. But even the kids that were ahead of their time in 6th grade still weren't as developed as nerd girl.
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I hope by saying that "I love nerds" girls are a subclass, you are talking about it in the Java sense of the word - inherits attributes from the parent class but does some modifications... and not as in, inferior to normal classes.
Oh, of course. I called the "I love nerds" girls a subclass because the class can't emerge until the nerd/geek class does as well, which isn't until about 9th grade, so I've noticed.
I agree that the template for social classes existed in 6th grade, but they hadn't developed yet, as they have by high school. Hence my confusion over the 6th grade "I love nerds" girl. I mean, I've been playing videogames since I was 3, 12 years now, but the gamer class didn't emerge until recently.
Post by: PaLaDiN on February 21, 2004, 09:54:29 AM
I mean, I've seen kindergarteners drop the f-bomb in my brother's class, and my mom's already teaching him that they're "rude, bad boys". Shouldn't take many subsequent years for them to develop into the "cool group".
I blame the downfall of society, the trashification of the media and the disappearance of family values.
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 21, 2004, 09:55:33 AM
If you read my journal, you would have noticed that girl in my class wore that same exact shirt! (but you don't, do you?) She's either 13 or 14 (not cute, but hot. Big breasts for her age. =P). I was sad. See, i am one of the nerdiest kids in school. but do I look it? Not at all. Not to say I look cool, but unless you got to know me, you would think I'm a sk8er, not a nerd. I wanted her love. ;__; I wanted it REAL BAD.
Oh yeah. She's part of the "cool" group. I think she just wore it to be different. SHE LIES! She made all us nerds feel special only to shatter us LIKE A BASEBALL HITTING A CARROT STICK. I HOPE SHE DIES.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 21, 2004, 10:00:59 AM
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Well, yeah, the social classes are emerging and becoming more well-defined earlier these days.
But why such a sudden change? Like I said, there was apparently very little change for over half a decade, then suddenly now in half that time we have a huge shift of when classes emerge?
KnowsNothing: Heh, I've been mistaken for being both a skater and a stoner, but I've also been called on a number of occasions the biggest nerd in my school, the biggest geek in my school, and the biggest dork in my school. Looks truly can be decieving.
It's interesting you saw a girl almost as young wearing the same shirt, too- then again I guess we're both special cases as well, since we both started posting at gaming message boards when we were 12, which I guess would be no more strange than girls that age wearing "I love nerds" shirts- perhaps nerd girl is a special case such as we. It's still very odd, though.
Oh, and I don't read anyone's journal.
Post by: PaLaDiN on February 21, 2004, 10:11:08 AM
But then again, I'm in college now, so I see all kinds of stuff.
And I think one of the biggest reasons for your question is the internet.
Back in the day, you had to WORK to look at porn. Now all you have to do is fire up google or *****. There's no mystery anymore. And legal age limits never apply online. Especially not if you have an older brother.
Because of that, media outlets have been forced to resort to bigger shock value, thus letting kids see even more shocking stuff.
And because of the dysfunctional kids that develop, dysfunctional families form. Leading to more dysfunctional kids. It's a vicious cycle.
Dude, if you have a kid in this day and age he's guaranteed to be screwed up. My generation was one of the last few to even be able to resist corruption.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 21, 2004, 10:16:09 AM
It still all confuses me, though. You always think of society changes as being gradual.
Post by: Berny on February 21, 2004, 12:43:48 PM
And the coolness is spreading. Hollister is doing similar things. The manequins (sp?) outside their stores are skinnier than Barbie and Ken dolls and the "male" manequins are shirtless and ripped.
Abercrombie has set the standard for the clothing standard of cool by telling us to buy their clothes so we can get some ass, if you'll pardon the expression. I abhor A&F although they have taken a step in the right direction by cancelling their porn clothing catalogue (ironic? I think so.) But I still refuse to buy from them because I am so damn sick of seeing EVERY pair of pants and every shirt adorned with the letters "A&F".
I was at the mall the other day with my mom (shut up!
) and she ran into a friend who had a kid who could NOT have been past 5th grade. Gelled hair (that bothers me so much. I usually don't mind people expressing themselves, but they aren't expressing themselves. They are expressing what A&F tells them to), Abercrombie shirt (Abercrombie is the children's store. When you get old enought you get to see "& Fitch". Little ones can't handle the extra 2 syllables.), Abercrombie pants. This saddens me. When I was in 5th grade, I didn't own any "cool" clothing, didn't gel my hair (still don't), and certainly was not concerned with getting anything from the fair sex.As paladin was saying earlier about older siblings, another reason these little kids have entered the cool class is that they see their older siblings wearing these clothes and little kids love to mimic NOTHING more than they do their siblings. They also pick up on their older sibling's habbits of speech. My sister last year in the 4th grade had to put up with the A&F kids and and she often brought home tails of them dropping the f-bomb and other vulgarities. In the same year, she received a phone call late at night. My parent's picked up the phone at the same time she did. My parents won't even tell ME what was said on the phone, it was so vulgar.
OK, I may have gone off a slight tangent, but I think that Their speech is just as important to the "cool factor". I've added my 2 cents. Actually, since this is my longest post ever, its a good $1.38. I'm done for now.
EDIT: It has recently come to my attention (thank you mouse) that Hollister is owned by A&F. This really doesn't change my argument much, but I thought you might like to know.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 21, 2004, 01:03:31 PM
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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
While I was eating I saw a girl that looked about 12 years old (and was really cute, but I can say that because I'm 15 ).
Ouch, I feel a shot towards me...
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
I blame the downfall of society, the trashification of the media and the disappearance of family values.
My sentiments exactly...
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 21, 2004, 01:04:47 PM
In any case, I think you raise a very good point, Berny, although it's not Abercrombie and Fitch alone that is perpetuating such a stereotype that so many kids follow. It's also not A&F's fault that so many people shop there, although it appears they know what kind of power they wield. I still think A&F appeals to younger people for a reason, though- it all goes back to the sheep following the leader of the week I mentioned in my first post. A&F offers a template that kids will invariably follow- it's the younger kids that take such a bold stand against it that really surprise me. That kind of self awareness, that desire to go down your own both, generally doesn't develop until later, which is really the whole point of this ordeal, I guess. Social classes emerge when people get tired of modeling themselves after someone else and branch off from the main group, and from what I remember of 6th grade, most people were perfectly content in trailing in the wake of others.
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Ouch, I feel a shot towards me...
Not directly, no.
I actually made the comment to a friend of mine, who's 18. He said where he comes from that's called statutory rape, and I reminded him that I was only 15.
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 21, 2004, 01:06:59 PM
EDIT: Haha @ Bill.
It's also okay for me to think they're cute, since, well, I'm the same age. Bill though.........watch out for him.
Post by: Jale on February 21, 2004, 01:40:20 PM
At School:
Cool kids (bad grades)
Medium-popular kids (average grades)
geeks (good grades)
But at work
geeks (good job)
M-p kids (pretty good job)
Cool kids (rubbish job)
Therefore the whole class system gets turned on its head.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on February 21, 2004, 03:58:20 PM
And something I've seen all too often.
I've noticed that when I was at school, there was not really any 'social class' of sorts. We were all friends, but we didn't sit together in one huge group
In my group alone, we are in our little subgroups.
So we're all friends, we just don't go out together or anything.
And have you noticed all the schools that complain about having school uniforms? You don't get that here in Australia, but it's mostly the girls that complain. I, for one, love the school uniform, as do nearly everyone I know. Why? It lets you go to school without having to think about what to wear. Nearly all girls these days look like sluts when they go out anyway, so why the hell would they wanna look like one when they go to school. It would just encouarge more rebellionism (whatever
) and split everyone up further just cause they don't dress according to the fashions of the time. I don't have that much to wear to begin with, so thank God.At Uni, we of course don't have uniforms, and we dress however we want, cause we are passed the point where looks and trends matter, and frankly it's just stupid to tease someone who dresses 'weird'. Not all of us have clothes for every single day anyway, and I see all the hot girls wearing the same thing every week.
So school is perhaps the start of the dirty, rotton consumerist bastard/bitch in all of us.
When I was in primary school I never had trendy clothes or anything, just what mum bought me. And I never out gel in my hair until Year 12 when my old hair style just didn't look as good as it used to (it went all boofy).
My cousin who is in 6th grade now is almost the same, but he has 'some' good-looking clothes and my older female cousins say he looks like a stud when/if he gels his hair. They watch too much Queer Eye.
It's actually come to the point he seems to dress 'better' than me, and that disturbs me a lot.
My other younger cousin, his sister who's in Year 3, isn't slutty or anything, but she has clothes that are skin-tight, and she's been on a 'date' already. It may be cute, but the fact that my older cousins keep encouraging her makes it more obvious that they 'enforce' the new consmerist lifestyle on them.
And that sickens me to no end.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 21, 2004, 08:04:20 PM
That's just me, though.
Post by: ThePerm on February 21, 2004, 09:09:26 PM
Post by: Ocarina Blue on February 21, 2004, 09:20:42 PM
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...but what it's really doing is making everyone a faceless facsimile of eachother.
Nonsense, uniforms merely remove the medium of clothes as being one of expression. It's not like the expression is put to good use anyway - letting kids wear what they want is like giving a platoon of painters canvas, paint, and brushes only to see them all painting the same thing. The medium is abused. Nobody in uniform's going to get teased or spat-on by other kids because they wear geeky clothes. Even if many don't like them, they offer advantages many are unwilling to percieve.
I see your use of 'faceless' as rather ironic; clothes offer a rather easy - and superficial - method of judging a character, even if only on a subconscious level. Faces, on the other hand, offer information regarding general health, general temperment, and most importantly: an individual's genetic background.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 21, 2004, 09:32:51 PM
And why should the ability to express yourself be removed simply because you think some people don't use it as they should be? Did you read what I said? I may not agree with what they wear and for what reasons but it's there right to wear it and it would not only be immoral but completely pointless to restrict that right to such a degree as forcing everyone to wear the same thing. Clothes ARE a very important method of self expression- taking it away isn't turning everyone into a robot, no, and if you want to debate semantics, we can- it's the principle of the matter, that a school would actually intervene in a kid's right to wear what he wants simply because it will supposedly lessen how left out or alienated some people are. They think that making everyone look the same will tear down social barriers, which is complete crap. Should be encouraging kids to express ourself, not forcing them not to. Schools should be teaching us that everyone is different and we should embrace that instead of slapping one image on everyone. It may be easier but it's certainly the worse option. I find it funny that you point to the face in particular as an indication of genetic backround, when the idea that school uniforms operates on would be similar to making everyone the same genetic backround simply to get around our differences- it would be like making black people white instead of teaching people that racism is wrong. The act in of itself isn't a huge deal, no, but like I said, it's the principle of the matter.
In any case, we're getting sidetracked from the actual discussion at hand.
Post by: Ocarina Blue on February 21, 2004, 10:13:01 PM
First of all here, I did read your post. Secondly, opinion is universal within an individual; dismissing something because 'my opinion' differs from that of yours and/or other is of no logical argumentative use. Lastly, my personal opinion on the issue would fall vaguely in line with yours, I outlined only my perceived reasons that schools use uniforms - ones that I believed to be in some way related to your post.
I outlined the counter points to most of your other arguments in my last post, or you outlined them yourself, I think.
You seem to be mildly upset - sorry if I was too blunt or something, I am tired and mildly fatigued. No offense was/is intended
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 21, 2004, 10:19:33 PM
Even if uniforms make kids calmer, though (I'm really having a hard time believing this), is that really worth the cost of having a tool of self expression taken away? Do we really want kids watered down, as if we're inducing them with a sedative? Again, isn't that just a quick fix to a larger problem? Shouldn't we be trying to teach kids not to act violently or badly by explaining the negatives of such an action, instead of artifically reproducing the effect by forcing them all to look alike? Like I've said, the act in of itself isn't all that bad, but it's the principle of the matter, that schools would not only consider such a course of action, but would actually think it would make any difference at all.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 22, 2004, 03:37:12 AM
Post by: Jale on February 22, 2004, 04:59:27 AM
Good Points
1. You dont get teased for dressing wierd
2. There are plenty of pockets
3. Girls are more willing to take their clothes off
Bad Points
1. You all look stupid
2. You can't express yourself through your clothes
3. It is more efficient than a neon "kick me" sign at attracting townies.
People from my school are always getting attacked by townies just because of ur uniform. My friend Neb was confrontyed by some on the Common
Townie: Ya wanna take this outside mush?
Neb looks around the park....
Neb: We are outside.
Townie: Oh ya fink ya cleverer than me...
etc
Damn uniforms
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 22, 2004, 05:14:28 AM
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3. Girls are more willing to take their clothes off
We need school uniforms. Seriously.
But to add to the good points, you don't have to choose what clothes to wear in the morning (which can be a huge thing for some) and you'll probably save money on clothes since you only need different clothes for days when you're not in school.
And no, not all people look stupid in uniforms. Take......well........ALL JAPANESE GIRLS (*ahem) (and this imaginary girl in my head that is HOT. I've named her "Becca"). But really, I sometimes think I look better dressed up.
"Gimme your lunch money, punk!"
"But it's after lunch!" yyy
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 22, 2004, 05:18:49 AM
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3. Girls are more willing to take their clothes off
*sigh*
*shakes head*
Post by: thecubedcanuck on February 22, 2004, 05:55:49 AM
I know if I had a 15 year old daughter, there would be no way in hell she would leave the house in a cheek showing mini skirt.
Post by: ThePerm on February 22, 2004, 07:25:33 AM
http://www.tetrametrics.com/theperm/Avatars/thecubedcanuck.gif
also what mouseclicker wouyld look like in a uniform
http://theperm.tetrametrics.com/mouseschool.jpg
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 22, 2004, 10:27:07 AM
So who's up for having MC wear a uniform? I know I am!
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 22, 2004, 10:39:52 AM
Especially you, Bill.
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 22, 2004, 10:42:57 AM
Ya damn hippie.
Post by: Jale on February 22, 2004, 11:32:24 AM
In fact the only advantage is that if it gets wet the shirt gets see through and this is good when the girls are around
Post by: Termin8Anakin on February 22, 2004, 11:51:05 AM
Uniforms don't take away your sense of identity and make you a faceless, mindless zombie controlled by the headless dictator that is the Principal, contrary to what you and a certain Simpsons episode might make you think
There may be heaps of rules that must be followed when it comes to uniforms, but if you lived here, you wouldn't think uniforms were that bad either. And everyone here would agree that it takes away one more life-threatening decision from your mornings.
I dunno. I like our school system much better that the US system. MUCH more.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 22, 2004, 01:01:48 PM
No, a school having uniforms is not going to turn everyone, or really anyone, into a faceless zombie. It's the pretentiousness of the school to think that forcing everyone to look the same will solve any problem whatsoever that pisses me off- it's the motives behind the act combined with the act that I detest so much, not just the act itself.
Post by: The Omen on February 22, 2004, 01:16:49 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 22, 2004, 01:22:22 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 22, 2004, 01:43:48 PM
Post by: ib2kool4u912 on February 22, 2004, 01:58:51 PM
Post by: Shift Key on February 22, 2004, 02:45:44 PM
*puts on "CHILL" shirt*
Post by: ThePerm on February 22, 2004, 02:54:54 PM
Anyways im in college now and all they want is money. The rules are relaxed and its alot nicer...there is alot of BS in High School
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 22, 2004, 03:58:35 PM
Post by: The Omen on February 23, 2004, 01:35:58 AM
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I've never been one to be needlessly submissive, Omen, and I see no reason to change now. As for school shootings, just as you can't prove school uniforms don't stop them you can't prove lack of uniforms encourage them, meaning uniforms should never have been introduced at all, going by your logic.
I wasn't trying to say uniforms cause them, or dont cause them, i was saying those in charge seem to use that logic. Thus, tis not my logic, just me relaying what heads of education say.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 23, 2004, 02:22:29 AM
In any case, we have gotten quite off base with the discussion.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on February 23, 2004, 02:28:18 AM
Thanks a bunch, very cool.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 23, 2004, 04:28:42 PM
On the whole school uniform crap, it doesn't really make much of a difference to me, it's just funny for teachers to oggle a STFU shirt and never know what it means.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on February 24, 2004, 02:35:34 AM
We are told to wear our uniforms to show that we are proud of our school and it's heritage.
You know how you see English/Scottish/Irish lads getting together in one huge group at a rugby match and in school and chanting warcries?
I loved doing all that at school. It boosted school spirit, and you were all mates. All part of our heritage.
It's more wth private schools though, and our uniforms are more formal than say just simple catholc schools and public schools.
While it can get sickening, having to wear your uniform 'with pride' and having to practise the warcries, but we all knew it was what bonded us all together.
Anyway, I can't change the US school system, not the New South Wales system either. Whether uniforms breed dictatorship in some, or where casual clothes all the time encourages rebellionism and further, more obvious split in social class is totally up to whoever decides what they have to decide about these things. And I am totally fine with that.
Post by: Uglydot on February 24, 2004, 09:26:10 AM
Post by: ThePerm on February 24, 2004, 12:36:17 PM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on February 24, 2004, 01:42:38 PM
It looks like it stuck
PS, thanks again for the avatar
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 24, 2004, 04:30:52 PM
Social classes. For me, the distinction has actually become less clear over the years. In eighth grade, the seperation between certain groups was very well defined, but now, in grade 12, it's less clear. I mean, I can definitely point out specific groups; there are some people at my school that I never talk to at all. Not to say that we're all happy dandy here, one big grand spankin' family, we're just more mature and. . . unified now than ever before. My particular class seems special in that way, though. Something about my year always has.
I have a very tight knit group of friends, especially with three particular guys. We've always been really good friends, and maintain that friendship very much so, but we've expanded to other groups as well. I get along with almost anyone that gets to know me, that's in any of my classes, or that I spend some sort of time with. The four of us, and the group around us, will always be great friends, but we also mix very well with other groups.
More later, perhaps, if some thought strikes me.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 24, 2004, 05:15:23 PM
Nerds". This presents several possibilities- the first being that today's youth are indeed maturing socially much faster than we did. The second is that nerd girl falls within the very few that DO socially mature by 6th grade (I started posting on videogame forums when I was 12, which has to be the equivalent of wearing a shirt proclaiming one's love for nerds). The third and last possibility is I'm horrible at telling people's age and she's actually 14 or something.
Post by: Oldskool on February 25, 2004, 05:19:50 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 25, 2004, 10:21:21 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 25, 2004, 03:05:14 PM
Also mentioned a girl that has a "Talk to me nerdy" shirt that I've never seen, but that she talked about one day. Today she asked me to go to something, and I have no idea what it is. I think it may be a cult
Oldskool, your avatar is a few pixels over the limit, too. Just a heads up.
We have a rather lax uniform code at our school (white or blue polo shirts, khaki or blue pants, no blue on blue), but it's really easy to get away with stuff (no belt, no shirt tucked in, T-shirts, wrong pants, illegal jackets, etc., the list goes on). I dunno whether it helps or not, but it allows me to wear my awesome khaki jacket that people write on, and that I have torn the bejeezus out of. Burned in several spots, too. I love that jacket
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 25, 2004, 03:24:06 PM
I'm sure it was the best post ever!And does anyone else find it ironic that manunited has taken a liking to calling me a pervert and a pedophile?
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 25, 2004, 04:43:32 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 25, 2004, 04:52:22 PM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on February 25, 2004, 09:39:42 PM
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Mouse, the reason why every school in Australia has uniforms is cause it's a hike back to the country's British heritage. Even the state schools have uniforms, but they aren't as enforced as catholic and private schools.
Not all of Australia, maybe just NSW. Here in Victoria, a lot of state school have no uniform, it's mostly the private schools that do. Yeah, I had to wear a uniform to high school (coming from a primary school that didn't), and never really bitched about it. Only time I had a fit was in year 10 when we had to wear these stupid summer hats (thank god when I got to year 11 & 12, you didn't have to).
Post by: theRPGFreak on February 27, 2004, 09:21:00 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 27, 2004, 09:55:16 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 27, 2004, 10:53:08 AM
In any case, yeah, I'm 15 now, but I'll be 16 on Wednesday. I was 12 when I started posting on message boards. ^_^
Post by: ThePerm on February 27, 2004, 11:09:32 AM
prepares birthday song!@
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 27, 2004, 04:39:13 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 27, 2004, 05:28:19 PM
Really, though, this thread will get locked if we keep screwing around.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 27, 2004, 05:52:16 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 27, 2004, 06:09:15 PM
Post by: Shift Key on February 27, 2004, 10:03:48 PM
It's all got to do with context I guess. Having mouse say that is very different to having a 40 year old Siberian guy say it so there isn't a blanket rule for something like that.
And also, 'cute' has lots of definitions. My dog is 'cute' - she puts it on whenever she's hungry or wants attention - probably more similar to what I'd call 'female cute' now that I say that. Bleh, women are complicated. It doesn't get easier with age, Mouse.
EDIT: I don't make sense sometimes
Post by: PaLaDiN on February 28, 2004, 12:12:21 AM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 28, 2004, 05:51:57 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 28, 2004, 06:52:31 PM
What's your definition of underage, though? Under 18? Depends on what age you are, then.
Hmm. . . a girl I know turned eighteen recently and got asked out by her mom's 39 year old boyfriend. She said no.
My efforts, however, were not in vain.
And bestiality is gross.
Post by: Berny on February 29, 2004, 12:21:42 PM
I think the internet has contributed to this a lot. There is SO MUCH you can do here. (No not pr0|\|, ya dirty good for nothin'.) You can get interested in things you would never even have considered without it. Just look at us. We share a common love of video games and have created our own internet class. The once lower classes have united via the technological commincation advancements of today. They don't feel alone anymore; they don't feel that they need to hide their likes and dislikes from the cool kids, because there are others who share their affections and aversions.
I have to go. I may edit this to make it longer. Or I'll prolly just respond do your responses. Meh. Whatev'.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 29, 2004, 02:04:16 PM
There are a lot of people who are more open minded, but I honestly know very few that aren't adults. (A good deal of my friends are teachers/college guys, probably explains why I think that.)
Post by: PaLaDiN on February 29, 2004, 09:47:11 PM
Adults are worse. They're still close-minded, they just learn to hide it from experience.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on March 01, 2004, 10:04:33 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 01, 2004, 11:13:14 AM
I count myself into the select few that pay so little attention that they manage to get by without anyone noticing.
Post by: mouse_clicker on March 01, 2004, 01:41:47 PM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on March 01, 2004, 02:10:44 PM
On another note, god do I need a spell checker.
Post by: mouse_clicker on March 01, 2004, 02:26:44 PM
In any case, I've gotten entirely off subject. Sorry.
Post by: KnowsNothing on March 01, 2004, 02:50:36 PM
nerds" shirt again but I just happened to overhear a conversation she had that day during a fire-drill. It turns out her whole shirt is pretty much a joke. ;___;Damn her to hell, I say.
We, I guess that doesn't really thro out what we've been saying (or what we started to say). Even if it is joke, it still shows that in my age grou, similar if not the same as the one MC first mentioned, there are different social classes like nerds and the like.
Post by: odifiend on March 01, 2004, 03:10:07 PM
nerds" shirt is completely selfish. It is a conspiracy to lure unsuspecting nerds to ask the owner of the shirt out so that the owner can coldly reject him in front of her friends or other "popular' people and feel better about herself. Well at least she won't resort to bolemia or anorexia. to the "I nerds" shirt.girlfriends require money to keep them happy, therefore women = $$$
$$$ is the root of all evil. Therefore women are the root of all evil by identity. (A friend of mine did the proof better but I can't remember it all)
Post by: mouse_clicker on March 01, 2004, 05:32:15 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 01, 2004, 05:40:46 PM
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Therefore women are the root of all evil by identity. (A friend of mine did the proof better but I can't remember it all)
Yeah, guys are sooooooo much better!
^_^
Post by: odifiend on March 01, 2004, 07:29:09 PM
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KnowsNothing: I think wearing the shirt as a joke implies even more social development than otherwise.
Unless she's just following the A&F crowd (they make the shirt, right?). I think like everything this is a gray area. Maybe the girl M_C saw was socially conscious and likes knowing that somewhere on a video game forum, nerds are talking about her but likely she is a mindless drone who went, "Hey that manequin is wearing the shirt. The manequin is so beautiful. I can be beautiful too (or however else girls get fashion ideas)." Or she's in on the conspiracy.
P.S. if this thread every gets to 1000 posts, I call the 1000th which will be something to the effect of the t-shirt that launched a thousand posts.
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on March 01, 2004, 08:02:47 PM
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girlfriends require money to keep them happy, therefore women = $$$
$$$ is the root of all evil. Therefore women are the root of all evil by identity.
In honor of this quote I give you, sir, the one finger salute.
Post by: ThePerm on March 01, 2004, 08:12:21 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 02, 2004, 01:06:42 AM
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i havnt spent a dime on my girlfriend..but she doenst seem to care..i offer to get her stuff but she says no.
I was going to say something sarcastic but then you said she talks.
jk...
Anyway, yeah, we're talking about close-mindedness now?
It's not about listening to or accepting new ideas, it's about considering them.
Post by: Jale on March 02, 2004, 08:25:28 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on March 02, 2004, 10:22:55 AM
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Unless she's just following the A&F crowd (they make the shirt, right?).
Not exactly- I believe Abercrombie and Fitch owns Hot Topic, but Hot Topic puts out the shirt itself.
Jale: I heard a very similar story- in the 1880's, I believe, the head of the US Patents Office resigned, saying everything that can be invented already has. This was before the car, computers, airplanes, etc, etc.
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 02, 2004, 04:16:32 PM
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I was going to say something sarcastic but then you said she talks
Dis made me giggle.
Girls are awesome (especially you, Ms. Pikmin
). . . but I don't even technically have a girlfriend and they're already a pain in the ass. I'm sort of playing between two girls right now, something I never intended to happen, and though it's nice to be liked, I preferred it when no one seemed to like me.One of the relationships is long distance, though, and we generally only ever talk over ze internet (didn't meet there, but yeah), and the other lives around here. I'm hoping the whole deal will work itself out, but I've got this feeling that it's going to end up in a big freaking mess.
Oh well. *goes and plays Nintendo*
Post by: The Omen on March 03, 2004, 02:34:50 PM
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I'm hoping the whole deal will work itself out, but I've got this feeling that it's going to end up in a big freaking mess.
It always does.......it always does.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 04, 2004, 01:58:14 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 04, 2004, 03:18:36 PM
Yeah, I've changed a whole lot since then, but I had already basically decided what sort of people I wanted to be around. I don't know if goths think in any way like me, or if they even think, but that may be the sort of position she's in.
Sorry for making fun of goths, but. . . too bad. Ha, goth.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 04, 2004, 03:20:52 PM
That just throws a bigger wrench in the system because, as I hear it, my cousin is serious about being a vegetarian, which I think is something that a kid even in high school wouldn't be apt to make.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 04, 2004, 03:38:35 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 05, 2004, 03:49:13 PM
I enjoy. . . consuming meat products. . . had to word that carefully.
Post by: Berny on April 06, 2004, 07:30:01 PM
*eats a massive slab of ham and washes it down with cheese*
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 07, 2004, 08:42:21 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 07, 2004, 11:06:19 AM
You'd think there would be plenty of vegan restaurants in Berkeley, but they're not that many and all the vegan food is expensive... $5 for a salad, for heaven's sake.
I'd never be a vegan willingly for the retarded reasons they give. I couldn't care less if I kill animals in the most brutal manner imaginable.
