Post by: Mannypon on February 21, 2004, 02:14:59 AM
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Post by: Mannypon on February 21, 2004, 02:54:40 AM
lol, that'll be sweet.
Post by: DrForester on February 21, 2004, 03:11:46 AM
Source of Rumor There: "Guy at Gamestop"
Post by: Mannypon on February 21, 2004, 03:19:40 AM
Post by: SearanoX on February 21, 2004, 04:35:59 AM
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Originally posted by: Manny
hopefully that guy at gamestop was just blowing wind.
Wait, are you saying that people at Gamespot don't always blow wind?
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 21, 2004, 04:39:20 AM
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Post by: ruby_onix on February 21, 2004, 11:01:47 PM
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I haven't anything along these lines, but Square sucks at re-releases. The only good one I've played is Final Fantasy IV on PlayStation. The other games had big problems with load times and audio.
I found FF4 to be the second-worst one. It was buggy. The game locked up on me like three times in that Tower of Babel (or whatever it was called). About half the time, when I turned on the game, my PSone refused to believe that it was even a legit PSX game (and yes, it was a legit copy). FF4's only saving grace was it's overrated (but still cool) retranslation. It's nice to actually see, and know, why you won the fight on Mount Ordeals.
Crono Trigger sucked the most, because it's lack of a "battle screen" made it impossible for Square to hide the loading times behind a big swooshy fade. But, the load times were a problem because Square moved the games from carts to CDs. The GameCube is simply better than the PSX in every way (except for secondary L&R buttons).
Back to the main topic, I believe there should be some new announcement from Square, sometime soon.
FF:CC was made with Fund-Q. How Fund-Q is supposed to work is, Yamauchi made a giant pile of money. The game maker takes a bunch of the money, makes an essentially "free" game, then the first profits from the game go back to Yamauchi's money pile. Once the zero-interest loan is paid off, and the money pile is refilled, all the later profits go to the game maker, and they can take another dip in the money pile, assuming they're still a member of Yamauchi's exclusive club, and it loops around again.
Square (or rather "GDS") finished FF:CC. It pretty much has to have earned it's money back. So Square can probably start making their next free game anytime now (assuming the stuff we heard about Fund-Q is accurate).
There was an old rumor that Square was only making 2 GameCube-exclusive games, so that they would have permission to make all the SNES-ports on the GBA that they wanted. And this rumor seems to have picked up some serious weight with people. But I think it was just a rumor. Nothing more. Something Square fans (and IGN) made up to comfort themselves when Yamauchi first told Square to blow off, after they expressed interest in the GBA. Some "strategy" behind a "bad" (or just painful) decision. But there is a "strategy". A new one. It's called "Square's old president resigned" and "Fund-Q" and "free games".
Post by: Hybrid Hunter on February 22, 2004, 01:22:12 AM
If its true however, i know i'll be picking up FF VII for sure.
I heard a long time ago GDS had started work on their next game.
What other companies have used the Q Fund?
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 22, 2004, 05:30:19 AM
And I think Genius Sonority was based on Fund Q, but I'm not entirely sure...
Post by: savanna03 on February 22, 2004, 11:41:02 AM
but there are other companies that are appearing this days that NINTENDO seems to be the publisher like ALPHA DREAM (MARIO AND LUIGI SUPERSTAR SAGA), N SPACE (GEIST) and ZOONAMI (GAME ZERO). there could be more but we just dont know. also newer companies like BROWNIE BROWN (mostly SQUARE ppl who work with SECRET OF MANA series) and the new tokyo studio (SQUARE, ENIX, CAPCOM, NAMCO, KONAMI and SEGA ppl) so i think that FUND Q is working alot better than putting that all that money on one company like RAREWARE.
anyways, back to the topic, i would definetly picking up FFVII if they are remaking it for GCN because im a loyal NINTENDO fan who miss out all those games from other system. beside i already got RE REMAKE, gonna get MGS: TWIN SNAKE, so FFVII treatment would be no brainer.
Post by: Uglydot on February 22, 2004, 04:03:01 PM
Anyway. I really don't care for all the tons of remakes. I have an SNES with a few Square RPGs, I have my PSX and my DC, etc. So maybe it's just that I have plenty of RPGs for the time being. But when I see a remake of an old game, I always pick up a newer one. Asside from my need to own the original, I just prefer to play newer games on newer systems, and for the time being, that is all I have time for. I would love to see more support from Square, and I would love to see the sales of a few more games for the GCN, like any of us, but I probably wouldn't buy it at full price. Now if Square released a new RPG that was FF or anything else and included, say, Chrono Trigger(favorite RPG of all time) or an FF or such, with preorder, well, I'd get that.
Oh, and yes, Square is pretty bad at remakes, but that was the PSX, they can be a little sloppier with the SNES games on GCN.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 22, 2004, 04:34:49 PM
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Post by: nemo_83 on February 23, 2004, 05:30:45 AM
I want new games. I have nothing against remakes or franchises, but I really feel that the market is way too stale and in need fresh ideas. When they do come up with a new idea they just bend it into fitting one of their formulated franchises.
Look at last gen. One of the most acclaimed games was Goldeneye. This gen Halo. The gen before last Street Fighter, Sonic, Star Fox, etc. The gen before that basically established more franchises than any. There has been a continual dwindling of creation in the industry, and I find it very disheartening. The future may hold nothing for gaming for real for once.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 23, 2004, 06:20:35 AM
Wow, whoever sold you that copy sure ripped you off, cause I only payed 50 dollars...
Post by: nemo_83 on February 23, 2004, 06:26:02 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 23, 2004, 06:47:21 AM
And lol, let's hear it for pay-to-play...
Post by: Ian Sane on February 23, 2004, 07:10:29 AM
1. Ever since the merger with Enix they seem to be adapting more to the Enix policy of "market leader ONLY". Their Cube enthusiasm has been pretty much non-existent since the merger.
2. Square has denied the potential release of any PS2 remakes because the old PSX games are still playable on one console. Since every (traditional) FF game ever made except ff3 is playable on the PS2 I highly doubt they would suddenly release any of them on another console. Their focus is to make old classics playable on current hardware. They overall aren't very port happy since they haven't even ported their old games to the GBA which would be such an easy cash-in thing to do. FFVII is playable on current hardware so thus no remake.
I'm not expecting any FF remakes on the Cube. In fact I'm not expecting any more Square Enix games on the Cube period. FFCC only exists so they can make GBA games.
Post by: The Omen on February 23, 2004, 11:53:45 AM
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I'm not expecting any FF remakes on the Cube. In fact I'm not expecting any more Square Enix games on the Cube period. FFCC only exists so they can make GBA games
How true. But where are all those people who were saying Square/Enix would release even more GC games? The only way a FF game would be released on the GC, remade or not, is
1. Nintendo says get off the GBA gravy train until you give GC more than just FFCC(though they might just go to the PSP anyway)
2. SK or Retro do all the work and S/E get money for doing nothing
3. Nintendo becomes number 1 again next gen.(although i'd say screw you, but thats not good business, is it?)
Since most all of these are unlikely, ( i'd hope for #1) ,forget about FF. Go get a PS2, or better yet, go play the real FF games on an emulator.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 23, 2004, 11:57:56 AM
Either of them could easily do a better job than SE on most of their later ones... :puke:
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Post by: Mannypon on February 23, 2004, 11:08:41 PM
Post by: WesDawg on February 24, 2004, 04:37:53 AM
As for Square not liking to do ports, they just released versions of FF1 for mobile phones in Japan. They don't seem to mind doing them at all. And I still don't buy this, "Nintendo told Square if they wanted to make games for the GB they had to make a FF for the Cube" argument. There are plenty of big companies out there that release good games on the GBA and not the Cube, Konami being the biggest in my mind. I think we'll see something else. It seems like Nintendo and whoever made FFCC get along pretty well, and the man enjoys the Cube he said. I don't know why they wouldn't make something else. I sorta hope its just a new classic RPG more than a port. I'm sick of ports.
Post by: DrZoidberg on February 24, 2004, 05:16:18 AM
unless ofcourse you haven't played 7-8-9
Post by: The Omen on February 24, 2004, 05:21:45 AM
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They don't seem to mind doing them at all. And I still don't buy this, "Nintendo told Square if they wanted to make games for the GB they had to make a FF for the Cube" argument. There are plenty of big companies out there that release good games on the GBA and not the Cube, Konami being the biggest in my mind
And who has said Konami is the measuring stick? Everybody knows what Konami is doing. It doesn't make Square /Enix anymore unlikely to totally abandon the GC now. Konami has released games for the GC, just sh!t ones. Square released 1 okay game, and an offshoot at that. 1! If they decide to release another, great. But it looked obvious from the start that they just wanted in on the lucrative GBA market. I believe the contract/agreement stated they had to make an original game for GC in order to produce GBA games.
Post by: Mannypon on February 24, 2004, 09:34:58 AM
Also, leave it to nintendo fanboys ( dont flame me, I'm one too but I know how alot of us fanboys are quick to bash nintendo for their decisions) to complain bout ff:cc and all its requirements. I know it costs alot if you want to get the most out of it. But I dont you wont hear sony fanboys b*tchin when ff11 drops and they have to buy the game, plus harddrive, plus adapter to connect online plus monthly fees (and thats all assuming they already have an isp cuase if not, add monthly fees for that too) which in the long run will make it an even bigger investment than ff:cc.
Post by: kennyb27 on February 24, 2004, 10:22:13 AM
QuoteThey could. But one of the reasons Final Fantasy games sell is because they have the name Final Fantasy imprinted right on the top of the box.
Aren't there enough little dev houses with former S-E employees that could help in making similar games?
QuoteThis complaint doesn't make sense to me. If you don't want to spend the money on the game (yeah, singular) then don't buy it. I have two friends, both have GBA's, and when I bought FF:CC, I put down an extra $20 and picked up two GBA-GCN link cables (as I had one from SA2:B). That night my friends came over and we sat and played FF:CC for 5 hours straight. I can honestly say it is one of the most fun and addicting multiplayer games I've ever played (hopefully I can get a review up soon). So let's see if I can follow nemo's logic here, I spent $70 to play FF:CC and it was worth every penny.
Not only does it present the gimicky image, but it also paints a picture of Nintendo systems not being able to sale games just because noone can aford to play these $600 games.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 24, 2004, 10:29:30 AM
Post by: Uglydot on February 24, 2004, 12:53:29 PM
Post by: Nephilim on February 24, 2004, 02:18:23 PM
only one game from sqaure so far which is a true FF game, I hope they make another orginal FF game...
Maybe a overhall on FF64 and turn it into a orginal game (waits for lamers who "claim" it was only a vid/spec demo heh) Since that was it the making along time ago and they proberly have the code somewere in there warehouse
*hands square a dust buster*
Post by: Bloodworth on February 24, 2004, 03:44:50 PM
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