Post by: kovu_br on February 17, 2004, 04:23:27 PM
What I want to know is why didn't you? I mean, this game seems like a perfect fit for a Gamecuber's library considering the type of games that sell well on the NGC.
My objective with this thread is to understand why BG&E failed to sell - Was a marketing issue? Did people thought Zelda was enough to fill their craving for adventure games? Did you think it's box was uninteresting? - Call it a morbid curiosity if you will, but I just want to know.
Post by: ThePerm on February 17, 2004, 05:11:59 PM
Post by: Bloodworth on February 17, 2004, 07:18:21 PM
Post by: WesDawg on February 17, 2004, 07:43:50 PM
Post by: Shift Key on February 17, 2004, 09:18:06 PM
As for BG&E, I just haven't had much time for games in the past month or so. PoP was the last new game I bought, so its not like I've been buying other games. It was just a case of bad timing I think, and no real advertising (but its always like that in Australia ;______
Post by: PaLaDiN on February 17, 2004, 11:32:55 PM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on February 18, 2004, 01:20:31 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 18, 2004, 02:41:58 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on February 18, 2004, 03:09:39 AM
Post by: Aretak on February 18, 2004, 04:41:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Bloodworth
Companies need to learn that unless they're putting out something mind-blowing, they can't just stick a new game on the market against huge franchises.
It was the best game of 2003... that's pretty mindblowing in my eyes.
Post by: vudu on February 18, 2004, 05:10:08 AM
the first is i heard it was a short game with not a lot of replay value. this is actually the same reason i haven't picked up PoP yet--i'm waiting for a price drop.
the second reason was i just built a new pc in november. this is my first new pc since june of 1998. suffice to say, i've missed out on many recent pc games because my computer just wasn't powerful enough to play them. now that my pc is up to snuff, i've been borrowing games from my friends and trying to catch up on what i've missed out on.
Post by: Bloodworth on February 18, 2004, 05:40:44 AM
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Originally posted by: Aretak
It was the best game of 2003... that's pretty mindblowing in my eyes.
No, even if I agreed that it was, that doesn't necessarily make it mind-blowing. It's a good adventure game, but there was never a point that it really stood out from the crowd. I think it's similar to what happened with Eternal Darkness - the people that play it, like it a lot, but something about it just doesn't draw the crowds at a glance. Maybe it's the weird title or all the bizarre names or just the color scheme with miss green lips on the cover.
Post by: joshnickerson on February 18, 2004, 06:02:43 AM
But yeah, like Bloodworth said, it was just released at the really wrong time. You don't want to release a game without any established characters when you're going up against more recognizable games like Mario Kart and 1080 and even Ubisoft's Prince of Persia.
I feel if Ubisoft held off the game and released it around this time, when not too many high profile games are coming out, it would've done a LOT better.
Post by: Ian Sane on February 18, 2004, 06:10:04 AM
1. When it came out there were other titles getting priority. My birthday is in December so usually I get two games that month. In this case I got Mario Kart for my birthday and Ikaruga for Christmas. Even though these were gifts and I thus could easily afford to buy BG&E I just didn't have to time to budget three games in a month. To me there's no point in buying a game if I'm currently playing something else. It will just get ignored. Timing continues to be a problem since I just got Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles so again a title like BG&E is going to take a back seat.
2. It just wasn't available in my area. I swear I never saw a physical Gamecube copy of this game until about two weeks ago.
3. It's supposedly quite short so why should I bother to buy it when if I rent it for a week I can probably beat it.
4. The assumption is made that since it's sort of like Zelda and we Nintendo fans love Zelda that naturally we should love BG&E as well. Well that's sort of true but it's not like we play nothing but these games. I find that when I buy third party games I usually buy ones that are different from anything Nintendo makes. If it's anything like Mario, Zelda, Metroid, or Pokemon the "real deal" is getting priority. Since Wind Waker came out earlier in the year I'm not really in the mood to play another adventure title so soon after. If one was released this April then I probably would try it. Plus Ubisoft themselves released PoP around the same time and not only is it a similar type of game but it's arguably superior. There's a reason why Mario and Donkey Kong games aren't released at the same time. Ubisoft basically created their own competition by releasing two similar playing titles at the same time.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 18, 2004, 08:13:02 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 18, 2004, 11:24:10 AM
Post by: Draygaia on February 18, 2004, 02:28:04 PM
Post by: StRaNgE on February 18, 2004, 06:43:03 PM
it is a must play, has a great fun story so far which makes the game even better.
Post by: CaseyRyback on February 18, 2004, 07:55:47 PM
my main reason for not getting it was gamestops buy 2 get one free pre-owned deal. I literally cleaned house, and since then I have been trying to finish these before I move on and get these games.
Also I think that if sphinx and BG&E were GCN exclusives they would have sold through the roof. Personally I own very few non exclusives games for any system I have. Its not that I dislike 3rd party games, its that one title always gets the shaft, so I would rather support the people who focus on making a title for one platform and making it the best title they can.
Post by: ThePerm on February 18, 2004, 08:26:49 PM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on February 18, 2004, 09:28:54 PM
It's coming out in OZ soon, and selling for AUD $49.95. I'm seriously thinking of getting it. Even though I got pissed at the PC demo, which failed to start up the demo and crash my PC...
Post by: Mario on February 19, 2004, 05:40:26 PM
Post by: CaseyRyback on February 19, 2004, 07:03:24 PM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on February 19, 2004, 09:46:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Mario
plus it's got a crap boxart, boring looking characters
Ever heard of the phrase: "Never judge a book by its cover"????
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 19, 2004, 10:06:44 PM
Post by: Mario on February 19, 2004, 11:18:09 PM
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Originally posted by: AiAiQuote
Originally posted by: Mario
plus it's got a crap boxart, boring looking characters
Ever heard of the phrase: "Never judge a book by its cover"????
I don't care how good the game is, if it doesn't have a good boxart i ain't buying it.
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on February 19, 2004, 11:27:10 PM
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Originally posted by: MarioQuote
Originally posted by: AiAiQuote
Originally posted by: Mario
plus it's got a crap boxart, boring looking characters
Ever heard of the phrase: "Never judge a book by its cover"????
I don't care how good the game is, if it doesn't have a good boxart i ain't buying it.
That doesn't sound like you Mario!
Are you serious? So, lets say the next Zelda game has a bad boxart, you will not buy it?
Post by: Mario on February 19, 2004, 11:36:05 PM
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Originally posted by: AiAiQuote
Originally posted by: MarioQuote
Originally posted by: AiAiQuote
Originally posted by: Mario
plus it's got a crap boxart, boring looking characters
Ever heard of the phrase: "Never judge a book by its cover"????
I don't care how good the game is, if it doesn't have a good boxart i ain't buying it.
That doesn't sound like you Mario!
Are you serious? So, lets say the next Zelda game has a bad boxart, you will not buy it?
No i'm not. Yes i will.
But a lot of people would not buy it after looking at the boring boxart, and a minute later they would forget the game ever existed, which is what i'm trying to say in my wierd little way.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 19, 2004, 11:44:53 PM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on February 19, 2004, 11:46:30 PM
I agree with your point, but we are better than the average customer!
But of course, there is a much greater number of average customers. I didn't like the Mario Sunshine boxart, but that didn't stop me from buying it. Same for MK: DD. And Skies. And.......damn...I find too many boxarts to be crap! EDIT: typo
Post by: WesDawg on February 20, 2004, 05:54:44 AM
Post by: darknight06 on February 20, 2004, 07:47:33 AM
As for the cover to this game, I have to side with those who say it sucks. For the type of game and theme it's supposed to represent it completely understates it and doesn't strike out at you like anything worthwile.
Post by: Greedy8899 on February 20, 2004, 08:54:06 AM
Post by: Ocarina_Jedi on February 26, 2004, 01:03:59 PM
I agree that the boxart doesn't do anything to really promote the game. However, I would stop short of calling it crappy. It looks more like the cover of a Tom Clancy children's book rather than an action/adventure game.
As for the game itself I just picked it up two days ago. (I only had to dish out $4 when I traded in Jedi Outkast.) I haven't stopped playing it yet. I think Ubisoft is now my favorite 3rd party developer. First PoP and now this. The game has a very original story, which is a real plus in my book. Plus, the rhinos in the Mammago Garage are without doubt the best new characters in a video game. Graphics and audio are above par, and control is simple. The game actually leans more towards adventure rather than action, which is new for me, but its not half-bad.
Post by: WhoDey on February 26, 2004, 03:31:09 PM
In November I ended up buying Mario Kart for my birthday. Then EA ran an online sale that allowed me to get The Sims: Bustin Out for both the GC and GBA for around $35 total. So I couldn't pass that up. I also bought Harvest Moon for the GBA sometime in that period. For Christmas I gave my wife a list of games to choose from for me. Beyond Good and Evil was one on the list but she ended up choosing Viewtiful Joe. So I got that one with no complaints from me. Beyond Good and Evil was still on my list to get. Then, in January, Circuit City began having some deals on games so I got Hitman 2 (GC)for $15 along with Banjo-Kazooie for GBA and Breath of Fire for GBA for $10 a piece. On top of that UbiSoft ran the promotion that if you bought Prince of Persia (another game I really wanted) you got Splinter Cell (a game I was always curious about) for free. So I waited till the last day of the month and made the purchase. Oh yeah, I squeezed Mario and Luigi (GBA) in there somewhere in there too.
In February, I have bought no games. It's been a month that I've tried to actually play through some of these games. Beyond Good and Evil is still a game I want along with games like Tak and the Power of Juju and Sphinx and the Cursed Mummy. I think all are around $20 now so it has worked out well for me. Of course in a week or two Harvest Moon for the GC will be released and I'll have to get that one.
There are just too many games and too little time to play them all. Beyond Good and Evil just got squeezed out. I will still buy this game, I just don't know when.
Post by: Rhoq on February 26, 2004, 04:40:50 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on February 26, 2004, 07:08:16 PM
Post by: Nemo on February 27, 2004, 04:20:11 AM
2) I bought far too many games last year that I haven't beaten (or in some instances even played)
3) Because of #2 I made my New Years Resolution be to not buy any games this year.
Post by: Rhoq on February 28, 2004, 04:06:09 AM
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Originally posted by: Nemo
I made my New Years Resolution be to not buy any games this year.
I can get you passed that one on a technicality...
Beyond Good & Evil was released (on the GameCube) in December. It's been out for a few months now, so technically it's no longer a new game, LOL. I don't think you'd be violating the terms of your New Year's resolution if you made this one exception
Post by: Renny on February 28, 2004, 08:06:38 AM
It's a shame they weakened her charecter design, just to have the game flop. They could have given her the style she deserved, and given us a better game, and gotten the poor sales.
Post by: Nemo on February 28, 2004, 12:42:06 PM
Post by: Rhoq on February 28, 2004, 06:26:48 PM
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thanks for the idea, Rhoq, but it wouldn't work out.
Can't blame a guy for trying
Hey there's always next year, right?
LOL
Post by: Smadte on February 29, 2004, 10:35:57 AM
