Post by: WindyMan on January 27, 2004, 07:51:44 AM
Source: Nintendo
As the NPD Group released its 2003 industry figures, Nintendo decided to tell the world the rest of the story, namely, how well Nintendo has been doing in relation to the competition. Here's the official word from the company:
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DID YOU KNOW?
NPD Data Reveals Nintendo #1 in Several Categories
January 22, 2004 -- If awards were handed out today for the stars of the video game industry in 2003, Nintendo would walk home with an armful more than any other company. According to independent retail sales data just released by NPD Funworld, Nintendo was named No. 1 in the following categories by the nation's game players:
- No. 1 Selling System: Game Boy® Advance, with 8.1 million sold in 2003
- No. 1 Fastest-Growing System: Nintendo GameCube™, with a 40 percent unit sales increase over 2002 (compared to a 25 percent decline for Sony's PlayStation 2, and flat sales for Microsoft's Xbox)
- No. 1 Fastest-Growing Game Seller: Nintendo GameCube, with a 77 percent unit sales increase over 2002
- No. 1 Hit Maker: Four of the year's top seven sellers played only on Nintendo (Pokémon® Ruby and Pokémon® Sapphire for Game Boy Advance; The Legend of Zelda®: The Wind Waker™ and Mario Kart®: Double Dash!!™ for Nintendo GameCube)
- No. 1 Sales Growth: Corporate retail revenues increased 16 percent over 2002
- No. 1 Landmark: Game Boy Advance just sold its 20 millionth system in America!
Post by: Chode2234 on January 27, 2004, 10:02:02 AM
Does anyone out there invest in the big N?
Post by: Glenn2K4 on January 27, 2004, 10:03:17 AM
Show us the good @ E3 nintendo!
Post by: couchmonkey on January 27, 2004, 11:02:04 AM
Anyway...this is all good and well, but I think Nintendo should shut up until it has some NEW landmarks to tell us about. They've already said the exact same thing ten different ways. Nintendo: come back when GameCube surpasses Xbox for total sales since 2001.
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 27, 2004, 11:47:38 AM
Anyway, even if Nintendo's just repeating the same thing over and over again, and using percentages instead of actual news, they have to do something to combat all the negative publicity they've been getting. :/
Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 27, 2004, 12:10:37 PM
Post by: Games_analyst on January 27, 2004, 01:38:46 PM
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I once looked into investing in Nintendo, but I couldn't find them on any of the North American exchanges.
I actually have owned some Nintendo stock since sixth grade -- I got it as part of a class project at the time. It started at $8.00 per share and then hit a peak at $23 a couple of years ago. Today Nintendo (NTDOY) closed at $13.35. It trades on the Tokyo stock exchange but can be purchased through US brokers.
I think that this string of positive press releases should continue to push Nintendo's value upward. Especially if the new DS takes off later this year.
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silks
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Post by: nolimit19 on January 28, 2004, 06:36:30 AM
xbox, gc, and ps2 na number
http://www.the-magicbox.com/topten3.htm
euro cube numbers
http://www.cube-europe.com/news.php?nid=6013
euro xbox numbers
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/news/news_6087060.html
Post by: Ian Sane on January 28, 2004, 06:54:37 AM
I doubt it. Sony isn't stupid. They know competing with the GBA is going to be hard but they're probably banking on the popularity of the Playstation name and the superior specs of the PSP to give them an edge. If the specs are accurate a game designed to use the full hardware of the PSP could never be made for the GBA and that's an advantage for sure. The DS also changes things a lot. If Nintendo focuses too much of their efforts on this new portable it could hurt the GBA. If anything since the DS was announced Sony has become more confident. By introducing an experimental piece of hardware Nintendo is risking weakening their stranglehold on the portable market just as Sony enters. Sony may be betting on Nintendo screwing themselves over just like they did the last time Sony took the market out from under them.
Post by: nolimit19 on January 28, 2004, 09:56:44 AM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on January 28, 2004, 10:10:05 AM
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Originally posted by: jasonditz
Nintendo trades as a Pinksheet
wrong
and I wouldnt advise on buying Nin stock just quite yet.
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Post by: thecubedcanuck on January 29, 2004, 01:33:35 AM
You seem to be attacking nolimit based on his name and not nessasarily on his opinion.
I think the point he is trying to make is, by Nin having 2 seperate handhelds on the market it will no doubt limit the amount of possible sales of both, especially for people entering the handheld market for the first time.
If you want your first ever handheld next year, NIN will have 2 if they keep to word, I cannot see both of them selling like mad, one surely hurt the other, add in the PSP and they have 3 to choose from.
So I can see where he is coming from, but with the PSP coming out, I can also see why NIN sees the need for a new product as well.
Post by: vudu on January 29, 2004, 05:51:51 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 29, 2004, 07:18:23 AM
The PSP might have some problems. With that price I cannot see any "cool kids" (and by that I mean basically any organic waste up to the age of 25) pick it up, they don't have that much money to spare, they need to buy new clothes and lots of cigarettes. They can afford mobiles because of the contracts that make them as cheap as one cent, but the PSP cannot have those.
Post by: Kyosho on January 29, 2004, 09:46:59 AM
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With that price I cannot see any "cool kids" (and by that I mean basically any organic waste up to the age of 25) pick it up, they don't have that much money to spare, they need to buy new clothes and lots of cigarettes
don't underestimate the power of working, loans, and parent contributions.
Post by: nolimit19 on January 29, 2004, 10:29:08 AM
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I bet the DS will be backwards compatible as well, giving no reason to abandon the GBA market.
thats not what nintendo said. the psp is estimated to cost between $199 - $249...if it does cost that much, that is going to be what kills it. however, ea announced they have as many as 1 games already in developement for the thing. ea may not be everyones favorite deveolper here, but a lot of casual gamers do think that. i just dont think nintendo should be screwing around with expiraments when their greatest foe is going to try and get a piece of the handheld market. maybe it will all work for to nintendos advantage, and i hope it does, but i think it sounds like a mistake. think if sony released a "3rd pillar" and didnt make a ps3....lol it would nintendos and m$'s greatest joy. it just doesnt seem practical to try and support 3 "consoles".
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 29, 2004, 10:36:39 AM
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Post by: thecubedcanuck on January 29, 2004, 11:03:22 AM
You have to understand that he is simply making a prediction, and a prediction can be based on fact or simply a gut feeling.
I myself wonder how Nin is going to play this out, and just how the public will react to it. Personally, I dont see it taking off, as a good portion of the people who own GBA's will probably be satisfied with what they have.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 29, 2004, 11:12:00 AM
Someone has a short memory then. Aside from the familiar main character Warioware is a completely original game and came out only a few months ago. One could argue the since it was never released in North America Fire Emblem could also to considered original. Original to us anyway.
And since when did originality have to do with supporting multiple consoles. I REALLY doubt we're going to see Sony bust out some incredibly original content for the PSP. The launch lineup will likely be similar to the GBAs with lots of ports and everything else being a sequel. PSX ports are going to be as common on the PSP as SNES ports on the GBA. Original games aren't as important as GOOD games. Therefore I think Nintendo could support these three platforms at the same time. Afterall a lot of third parties are supporting three consoles now.
My concern isn't with Nintendo being spread too thin but rather the reasoning for making this a third pillar. From a pure technology point of view a dual screen portable should make a single screen one with older hardware obsolete.
Post by: nolimit19 on January 29, 2004, 11:32:27 AM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on January 29, 2004, 12:45:21 PM
I think if you turned down your tone a little and didnt come across as being arrogant, you may be taken a little more seriously and recieve a lot less guff in the process.
Just a thought from someone who has learned this first hand
Post by: odifiend on January 29, 2004, 01:30:01 PM
1) Nintendo has a portable and a console.
2) The console has two big competitors. Nintendo is fighting a close battle with M$ while Sony is miles ahead.
3) The portable will have hyped-up competition from Sony, who took away Nintendo's home console base last generation.
4) Nintendo plans to release a new portable that is to stand alone, giving further competition to its old portable.
-N.B. for those counting, that's two major competitors for the GBA and the new DS.
nolimit concluded that if Nintendo did not back the DS, it will fail due to all the competition.
There is nothing to argue about there, it's all logic.
P.S. the past is the best evidence to predict the future.
Post by: nolimit19 on January 29, 2004, 01:30:03 PM
lol yea i know, but thanks anyways. i try, but sometimes it is difficult....because i am arrogant. lol
also odifiend seems to have good common sense and logic. there really is nothing to argue about.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 30, 2004, 04:19:15 AM
They are calling the DS a hird pillar because the GBA isn't that old. It's old enough to lose against the PSP in technical comparison (not battery life, though) but still too new to replace it already. The DS will be capable of competing with the PSP, but I doubt it will see a successor. They said the DS is a taste of what's to come in the N5, the N5 and next GB will probably replace the DS.
Post by: odifiend on January 30, 2004, 10:47:57 AM
Post by: odifiend on January 30, 2004, 03:12:27 PM
If this is the case, the Nintendo DS has a very uphill battle if it hopes to be that new Nintendo medium. It has to use its two screens incredibly and have graphics to boot so it can even compete with the huge following of the preestablished GBA (and its ancestors). Along with this as nolimit said, Nintendo needs to push this thing. Probably harder than the GBA because it does not have the backwards compatiblity that endeared so many to the GBA.
The new DS though has some serious advantages. The new media has been compared to disc media in that it is easily writable and that will hopefully mean a proliferation (Playstation style) of games. We also know that the media has much more memory than the GBA catridges meaning longer and nicer games (potentially). Two screens by themselves aren't that great, but coupled with the above, it can only be a positive.
Writing this just now, I realized that if Nintendo wanted to put out new portable hardware as the successor to the Game Boy that wasn't backward compatible without the option of another backward compatible system, we'd lynch them... pretty hard. That attitude, making every thing backward compatible, is eventually going to limit Nintendo. In fact, now I'm confident that the DS is direct competition for the PSP.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 30, 2004, 10:11:41 PM
Also, I think Iwata meant 90% won't think it's a good idea upon hearing the announcement (which he was pretty right about), no that only 10% will enjoy the device hen it's out.
Post by: odifiend on January 31, 2004, 05:07:49 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on January 31, 2004, 11:57:05 AM
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