After Nintendo let the cat out of the bag, announcing the Nintendo DS, people started to wonder if anyone other than Nintendo would develop games for it. According to Japan's Nikkei Keizai Shimbun, we now know that there will be at least two more companies making games for the mystery system.
Konami and Namco have both said that they will create software for the Nintendo DS, though any sort of specific details weren't given. Naturally, since the system was just recently revealed to the public, it would be likely that other developers didn't know about it until not too long ago, and therefore very unlikely that any sort of games are in development.
As more developers pledge DS support, we'll be sure to let you know right away.
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Post by: odifiend on January 24, 2004, 08:12:21 AM
I'm glad we'll have Konami and Namco from the get-go on this platform- it's chances for success just raised 300%. But do I ever wish Konami would give the GCN a little more love before moving on to her younger, potentially more attractive sister... If the GCN would put a little make up on, Konami wouldn't even notice that huge memory card sticking out of her face.
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Post by: mouse_clicker on January 24, 2004, 08:25:08 AM
Konami's like a cat, they can be so fickle sometimes- first they actually work together with Nintendo to heavily remake quite possibly their best game as a Gamecube exclusive, then decide to shaft the Gamecube with DDR Ultramix and Silent Hill 4 (the XBox is getting both for some ungodly reason), THEN pledge support to a Nintendo console I doubt they know much more about than we do. Pleh.
Title: RE:Third Parties Start Pledging DS Support
Post by: odifiend on January 24, 2004, 08:45:59 AM
I think Konami knows that no one can touch Big N in the portable industry and that's why there are always Konami GBA games. The DDR Ultramix was a huge surprise to me because the game just doesn't go along with the Xbox rumors of being a "machoman's system", but I'm guessing that is M$'s desperate attempt to get the Japanese market to buy Xboxes. When is Microsoft going to run out of 'bribe' money? I know they are loaded but with the constant losses and the many under the table deals, they've got to be running low on Green.
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Post by: Behemoth on January 24, 2004, 09:00:41 AM
A new Castlevania with two camera perspectives would be sooooooooooooooooooo much fun.
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Post by: kennyb27 on January 24, 2004, 09:15:32 AM
Quote they've got to be running low on Green.
Yeah, sure.
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Post by: JB on January 24, 2004, 09:26:09 AM
Quote Originally posted by: mouse_clicker Konami's like a cat, they can be so fickle sometimes- first they actually work together with Nintendo to heavily remake quite possibly their best game as a Gamecube exclusive, then decide to shaft the Gamecube with DDR Ultramix and Silent Hill 4 (the XBox is getting both for some ungodly reason), THEN pledge support to a Nintendo console I doubt they know much more about than we do. Pleh.
According to rumours, several third-parties have seen the unit in action with Nintendo's own (finished) games for the system and are very impressed.
Title: RE:Third Parties Start Pledging DS Support
Post by: Rize on January 24, 2004, 09:26:18 AM
Konami has *always* been very generous with Castlevania. You can find Castlevania on pretty much every major system to date (and a lot of non major ones). Here's the list: MSX, NES, Commodore 64, Amiga, Arcade, Gameboy, SNES, TG16, X68000, PSX, Saturn, N64, GBA, PS2 and a cancelled Dreamcast game. The only notable systems missing from the list are the latest ones (GameCube and XBox). However, the DS being primarily a 2d system (count on it) I think we can expect a Castlevania game.
Unlike GBA/GCN connectivity which requires two systems and can be a real pain in the ass, I can really see a lot of developers being excited about working on this system. That would be good.
I can almost see another two castle game (like HoD) with one castle on one screen and one on the other. As for what gameplay purposes that would serve... I'll leave that up to IGA (but the possibilities are enormous (though some of my ideas are admittedly ridiculous and unplayable).
I think this will be a cool system.
Title: RE:Third Parties Start Pledging DS Support
Post by: kennyb27 on January 24, 2004, 09:37:29 AM
Quote According to rumours, several third-parties have seen the unit in action with Nintendo's own (finished) games for the system and are very impressed.
Well, since it's supposed to come out later this year, I would hope Nintendo (and maybe other companies) has at least a few (nearly) finished games.
Title: RE: Third Parties Start Pledging DS Support
Post by: Bloodworth on January 24, 2004, 10:02:39 AM
I think the idea phase would be the hardest to get past, but other than that, Konami can pump out GBA games pretty fast. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect GBA games from third parties at launch, even if third parties are just now getting kits.
Title: RE: Third Parties Start Pledging DS Support
Post by: Ian Sane on January 24, 2004, 10:43:25 AM
I wonder how Kojima feels about the DS. He's a really creative guy and I imagine some pretty neat ideas popped into his head the second he heard about this. If the guy can create a game that incorporates SUN LIGHT I'm sure he could create something that uses two screens. I'll bet even if this thing doesn't really take off a good deal of the elite Japanese developers (Kojima, Naka, Suzuki etc) will at least want to try something on the DS. The two screens idea is unique enough to attract those types of ambitious developers.
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Post by: Djunknown on January 24, 2004, 10:47:59 AM
Let's not forget Namco either. I can picture a few concepts:
A) A zany pac-man using two screens.
B) RPG's (Make Nintendo the official home of the Tales Series?)
C) Driving game (Will the real Ridge Racer please stand up?)
Great news indeed.
Title: RE:Third Parties Start Pledging DS Support
Post by: Procession on January 24, 2004, 02:05:36 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Rize Konami has *always* been very generous with Castlevania. You can find Castlevania on pretty much every major system to date (and a lot of non major ones). Here's the list: MSX, NES, Commodore 64, Amiga, Arcade, Gameboy, SNES, TG16, X68000, PSX, Saturn, N64, GBA, PS2 and a cancelled Dreamcast game. The only notable systems missing from the list are the latest ones (GameCube and XBox). However, the DS being primarily a 2d system (count on it) I think we can expect a Castlevania game.
Unlike GBA/GCN connectivity which requires two systems and can be a real pain in the ass, I can really see a lot of developers being excited about working on this system. That would be good.
I can almost see another two castle game (like HoD) with one castle on one screen and one on the other. As for what gameplay purposes that would serve... I'll leave that up to IGA (but the possibilities are enormous (though some of my ideas are admittedly ridiculous and unplayable).
I think this will be a cool system.
You forgot the Mega Drive (aka Genesis) one.
Title: RE:Third Parties Start Pledging DS Support
Post by: Smadte on January 24, 2004, 09:42:01 PM
You guys keep writing stuff like, "Oh, it would be great to have a Castlevania with 2 screens, or an RPG with 2 screens ect." But what the hell for?! Seriously think about it. If you have any ideas on how to utilize 2 screens WELL for a Castlevania game or an RPG, I'd like to know. I can't think of any. Having 2 screens seems more like a hassle than anything to me.
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Post by: mouse_clicker on January 24, 2004, 09:44:50 PM
That's why we're waiting to see how the games are going to use the two screens at E3. Until we see how they'll be implemented I don't think anyone can make an accurate prediction of whether or not it's useless.
Title: RE: Third Parties Start Pledging DS Support
Post by: whiffleboy on January 25, 2004, 12:22:17 AM
I thinking FINAL FANTASY 7!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8,AND9 SQUAREENIX
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Post by: jimmyl930 on January 25, 2004, 05:24:02 AM
Great news. I wish Namco would make a portable Soul Caliber w/ wireless multiplayer.
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Post by: Oldskool on January 25, 2004, 08:05:14 AM
I would buy an improved FF7 in an instant. Unfortunatly, one cartridge can't hold all that FMV, and I doubt Square-Enix will chop all that FMV off... so I don't think thats gonna happen.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on January 25, 2004, 08:38:12 AM
FFVII? Heh, heh...
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Post by: Evilmanman on January 25, 2004, 06:40:32 PM
Imagine Advance wars and fire emblem for the ds... *starts drooling* You could have 2 battles going at once one on each screen and to somehow have those battles interelated would be so cool. Apart from that I can't see how the two screen could be any use. It would work well for RPG's and strategy games but i can't see how they would use it for other types of games. I guess for multiplayer games a power up would be one screen would show what the other player can see.
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Post by: jasonditz on January 25, 2004, 06:54:46 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Smadte You guys keep writing stuff like, "Oh, it would be great to have a Castlevania with 2 screens, or an RPG with 2 screens ect." But what the hell for?! Seriously think about it. If you have any ideas on how to utilize 2 screens WELL for a Castlevania game or an RPG, I'd like to know. I can't think of any. Having 2 screens seems more like a hassle than anything to me.
Castlevania with two screens I don't get. But RPGs present several obvious possibilities.
In fact, it seems to me an RPG utilizing two screens just came out, it was called "Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicals". Seems like that was a decent enough idea.
Title: RE: Third Parties Start Pledging DS Support
Post by: BlkPaladin on January 25, 2004, 08:12:21 PM
RPGs are the bigest ones to benifit from the second screen. But it also has it advantages with Raceing games you can have the "mirrors" one the second screen. Also if the developer is industrous enough they more than likely can use the second screen as an extetion you you can have arcade like displays of games.
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Post by: Oldskool on January 26, 2004, 05:18:27 AM
Hey, what about Sniper Scope! You could have the regular view on one screen and the scope on the other! It would be more true to the arcade games than the PS2 versions. Well, except for the graphics. I think somebody may have already mentioned this, although it might have not been on these forums...
Title: RE: Third Parties Start Pledging DS Support
Post by: GaimeGuy on January 26, 2004, 01:24:08 PM
FFVII won't be possible. FFVII took up around 2 GB total with all the pre-renders and FMVs. the DS carts will be 128 MB (equal to 1 Gb.)
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Post by: kennyb27 on January 26, 2004, 01:27:16 PM
Maybe we'll get a first party RPG now...Then again, maybe not.
Quote the DS carts will be 128 MB (equal to 1 Gb.)
Yeah, I meant to convert 1 Gigabit to Bytes, but I am too lazy.
Title: RE:Third Parties Start Pledging DS Support
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 26, 2004, 06:35:14 PM
Don't forget about the power of compression
At one point or another Capcom would have never guessed that RE2 would fit on the N64 and only in a 64MB cart. Especially with all the FMV intact (albeit a little grainy).
They coulda fit FF7 on N64 if they put the effort, and if they want to they can squeeze it into 128 MB cart at a lower resolution.
The question is will they put the effort?
and.....
would Nintendo let them?
Title: RE:Third Parties Start Pledging DS Support
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 26, 2004, 06:40:36 PM
I also have an update w/ a little new info and a rumor on this topic (which I also mentioned in another thead) that I found in another forum.
Title: RE:Third Parties Start Pledging DS Support
Post by: Kyosho on January 26, 2004, 11:09:50 PM
Quote They coulda fit FF7 on N64 if they put the effort, and if they want to they can squeeze it into 128 MB cart at a lower resolution.
if they did that, then imo it wouldn't be worth it. Movies would be very grainy, and you will suffer a loss of graphical quality which I think is a standard these days for RPGs.
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Post by: Bloodworth on January 26, 2004, 11:43:14 PM
FF7 as a game would fit, but I can't imagine them shrinking down the video that much.
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Post by: whiffleboy on January 27, 2004, 12:17:07 AM
Well, this is how I see the whole Nintendo DS thing. I think nintendo wants a 2d and 3d portable. I think the Game Boy Advance successor is going to be for 2d games like mario and zelda. Where the Nintendo DS is going to be for 3d games like Golden Eye!!!! We all love the old school 2d games and if the Game Boy Advance successor is more 3d than 2d you can kiss your 2d games good bye. I mean how many 2d games do you see on consoles. what if the Game Boy Advance successor goes 3d all the companies are going to only make 3d games for it and all the 2d metroid games would be over. This is why I think the Nintendo DS is the "Third Pilar" and I can't wait for it to come out!!!!
~Whiffleboy Insider~
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Post by: DrZoidberg on January 27, 2004, 01:41:31 AM
i'm down for Konami to make some form of Bemani game for it, oh the hilarity.
Quote I mean how many 2d games do you see on consoles.
not nearly enough >=o 2d
Title: RE:Third Parties Start Pledging DS Support
Post by: Oldskool on January 27, 2004, 08:50:12 AM
Graphically, FF7 is laughable. (Except for the FMVs) While an N64 port would have had terrible quality FMVs, the graphics would have almost certainly looked better. Looking at it nowadays, virtually all PSX games had grain-arific graphics.
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Post by: Kyosho on January 27, 2004, 09:02:41 AM
my mistake, i've been using FF7 for PC as a comparison instead of the PSX.
Title: RE: Third Parties Start Pledging DS Support
Post by: KDR_11k on January 27, 2004, 09:41:00 AM
They should make a new FF (or better yet, something completely different) so they aren't tied to old material or storylines requiring too many impossible (i.e. prerendered) scenes.
Title: RE: Third Parties Start Pledging DS Support
Post by: nolimit19 on January 28, 2004, 06:48:04 AM
Title: RE: Third Parties Start Pledging DS Support
Post by: vudu on January 28, 2004, 09:34:49 AM
chances are ea found out about the ds at the same time you and i did. it's going to take them a while to figure out what, if anything, they want to do.
Title: RE: Third Parties Start Pledging DS Support
Post by: Ian Sane on January 28, 2004, 09:59:16 AM
EA's attitude towards the DS isn't very surprising. First of all they likely know very little about it. Second a lot of their success has been on Sony consoles so in regards to which portable they will be more dedicated to the PSP is the obvious choice. Finally EA isn't a very creative company and thus isn't going to think of some amazing dual screen ideas as quickly as some of the more quirky Japanese developers. It's no surprise that the first company to commit support is a Japanese company like Namco. I have a feeling that the DS is going to have much more Japanese support than American. American developers tend to not take as many risks and thus will want to go with something more tried and true.
I'll bet you though that if/when Nintendo announces that the DS can play GBA games EA will immediately pledge support.
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Post by: nolimit19 on January 28, 2004, 01:44:05 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Ian Sane Finally EA isn't a very creative company and thus isn't going to think of some amazing dual screen ideas as quickly as some of the more quirky Japanese developers.
yea thats for sure. i dont think they have ever done anything creative when i think about it. however, becaues of their lack of vision, they are very good at some of the games they do make. and they always seem to put out madden very quickly on new systems.
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Post by: mouse_clicker on January 28, 2004, 01:49:28 PM
Does EA itself actually make any games? They have a bunch of subsidaries that put out some great games (like Maxis or Westwood), and they're the publisher of two developers I like (Criterion and Free Radical), but I'm not sure if there are any games nowadays they make themselves.
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Post by: KDR_11k on January 29, 2004, 07:05:08 AM
m_c: EA has its own devs AND assimilates other companies. There's no Westwood, Maxis, etc, it's all just "EA Games". Also, they have EA Sports, of course (I'm not sure whether those were unified as well).