Post by: ThePerm on January 05, 2004, 10:12:49 AM
Post by: vudu on January 05, 2004, 10:49:26 AM
Post by: Renny on January 05, 2004, 10:51:25 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 05, 2004, 12:44:58 PM
Beyond Good & Evil is an action-adventure with similar "run around hit things and look for clues" gameplay mechanics to the Zelda series. It was designed by the creator of Rayman. It has a rather nice art style. It features a young woman and a pig-man trying to uncover the darker truth about the government of their homeland. The pig-man seems more useful than Tricky in StarFox Adventures.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 05, 2004, 01:23:40 PM
If Beyond Good & Evil is selling poorly I think it's pretty easy to see why. It's a completely brand new property and I haven't seen even one ad for it on TV. Why would the average person take a chance on a game they've never heard of? It just doesn't happen and if BG&E is a flop that is the reason.
As for POP well if it's not selling well I can't find a good reason why unless everyone is aware of it's short length. Sure POP isn't a really well known name but I did see advertisments and they were pretty good. Maybe people are scared off by the crappy last attempt to recreate the Prince of Persia.
If the Cube versions sell poor though I wouldn't be surprised. They both came out later for Nintendo's console ensuring that multiple console owners would buy the PS2 or Xbox version first.
It's possible that by releasing these games on every platform available UbiSoft has spread themselves too thin. An exclusive title may have received more hype.
Post by: Molobert on January 05, 2004, 01:32:21 PM
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Post by: rpglover on January 05, 2004, 01:59:59 PM
Post by: Berny on January 05, 2004, 02:02:11 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 05, 2004, 05:59:10 PM
Frankly, I'd like PooP to drop to $20 as well.
uh wait...
Post by: ThePerm on January 05, 2004, 09:05:30 PM
also i read about bg&e being 20 now!!! im selling summoner and buying bg&e
Post by: KDR_11k on January 05, 2004, 09:18:59 PM
Post by: StRaNgE on January 06, 2004, 04:45:59 AM
ever own a good book you read again and again?
i have a few games that have no real reason to play twice besides that they are enjoyable, story and gameplay. for example, mario sunshine, zelda, metriod prime, and so on.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on January 06, 2004, 04:56:22 AM
A freaking movie costs 10 bucks and most are only 90 mins.
At 12 hours of game play a video games gives you one of the best entertainment to cost ratios out there, when you look at the big name types of entertainment. I barely have time to play anymore and a nice game I can play in a weekend is well worth it to me. I think both of these games are wonderful and the perfect length.
Post by: Renny on January 06, 2004, 05:11:28 AM
Edit: I don't follow those other 'big' mediums. I read books, I watch educational TV, and play video games. My value standards are higher, I guess.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 06, 2004, 06:02:56 AM
Compared to other forms of entertainment it's a pretty good deal but compared to other games it's a rip-off. I think that's what most people complain about. If $50 gets me a game that lasts 30 hours I shouldn't pay the same for a title that's only 10 hours. Plus if you can completely beat a game in a rental period why pay $50 when you can pay $10 to rent it for a week?
Post by: ThePerm on January 06, 2004, 12:26:37 PM
Its really linear and its easy to remember what you did there before..but i like playing it over. People said the same thing about Eternal Darkness and man i have replayed that game alot. Also, i never heard PoP had bad sales...just BG&E...i bet PoP is causing a sales vacuum.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 06, 2004, 01:29:15 PM
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Post by: Moshimoro on January 07, 2004, 08:04:14 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 14, 2004, 12:25:20 AM
Horrible fighting: Jump over, hit, repeat. Can't jump over? Bounce off a wall, hit, repeat. Can't do either? Just slash. Get hit? Rewind time. Surrounded? Jump around like a monkey trying to get away until you get hit, then rewind time. Princess with you? Get ready to utter plenty of profanities as the bitch does everything she can to hit you and get killed as far away from you as possible.
Horrible linearity: Aside from glitches you can exploit, there's only one way to get to places.
Horrible replay value: Zero.
Horrible difficulty: Too easy except for the fights which are just a pain in the butt. Like getting to a place wasn't easy enough, they give you visions regularly which basically tell you "do this". What kind of difficulty is that? And then, to top it all off, you can rewind time, there's a save point every 10 minutes and there's a healing pool near almost every save point. Gee thanks... wouldn't want to die once or anything. And people complained that Zelda was too easy...
Horrible "bosses": Do I really need to explain this? Maybe I'd forgive the game if even the end boss wasn't weaksauce and highly disappointing.
I don't see why people like this game. It's horrible. Easily the biggest disappointment of last year... gives even Star Fox a run for its money.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 14, 2004, 01:56:58 AM
Post by: monk72 on January 14, 2004, 04:49:43 AM
I agree with the above post...only not quite as harsh as paladin put it.
I breezed through the game so swiftly that I dont even really feel like I play it. Nothing sticks with me at all.
The fighting is very much hack and slash, only slightly more fun, because it "looks cool".
Extremely easy overall. From the many save points to the rewind, to the giving away of ANY mystery (with those stupid "visions" that show step by step what to do).
For anyone that ever beat a tomb raider game back when they were prominate, this will feel like nothing at all. The puzzles are very basic, and disappointing, and they give you the answers before you even have a chance to think about it. Visuals are decent for a game widespread on every console, but the character models look like last generation, and many rooms are quite bare. There are some neat effects, but nothing like wind waker effects (remember seeing that flying dragon with all the ashes floating in the wind the first time, or the first time you approached the ice or fire islands?WOW)
The whole game is literally as short as 1-2 dungeon in Ocarina of time (for example).
Replay value: ABSOLUTE ZERO!!! Nothing at all changes, nothing left to see (not much the first time through either). To replay would become mindless runaround hack, jump, beat it 5 hours type thing. if that's your bag, have fun, but I personally am reasy to move on.
The story has been documented on many sites for being good and addicting. Well, that is not true, there is a only very brief outline of a "story", which is nothing more than a plot setting. Nothing unpredictable, nothing suprising, and nothing but...a mere video game.
Very overratted indeed. Although I think everyone was praising it because it is on all platforms...it is a game "everyone can enjoy" without bickering over what console it is on.
I do like UbiSoft, they have stepped up this generation, and this game is well done, only way over hyped, and way too easy, and way way way to short...although if it was any longer I would have been bored with the few things you do; for example: run across a gap, grab the pole, swing, jump, fight some pathetic -but annoying battles, deal with a camera system that is much worse than Mario sunshine (which some had a problem with and bitched about constantly), the beat one (!) I guess what you would call, a boss battle. End of game.
Only buy it used/cheap, or rent for a few hours and you will have sucked the life from the game in less than 10 EASY hours.
that's all folks...I am going to play wind waker again. or maybe major's mask. Something real, with some substance and depth.
Post by: Danman on January 14, 2004, 09:14:11 AM
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Originally posted by: monk72I agree with the above post...only not quite as harsh as paladin put it.... etc etc etc....
I've been playing this game for a few days and I have to agree with you 100%. Basically what I've concluded was that the game is like a big double-chocolate cake. It appears to be very good, tastes extremely good first few bites, doesn't last very long, and if you eat too much you get sick.
Definitely a one-time ride... go rent it
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 14, 2004, 10:13:56 AM
*Wipes tear from eye*
I thought I was alone... all alone...
Thank God at least one other person wasn't fooled by the hype. I can rest easy now... I'm not abnormal or anything.
Biggest waste of money I've ever spent on a game. Definitely rent it, if only to feel really good about not being suckered into buying it like I was.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 14, 2004, 11:40:41 AM
Post by: Ocarina_Jedi on January 14, 2004, 12:28:35 PM
I thought that this was one of the best games I've played since WW. Granted, the combat was simple, but I didn't mind that at all. That was balanced with the fact that you had to find about 20 enemies in every encounter. I loved the puzzles in the game, and that's what attracts me to games like this. Anybody can make a good combat system, but good puzzles are something entirely different. As for the graphics, I thought the in-game cutscenes were good enough, but the CG cutscenes were absolutely gorgeous.
SPOILERS
I don't really know what you mean when you talk about bosses. There was the Vizier at the end, and yes he was disappointingly easy. It just took a while to finish him off. The only other thing I would consider calling boss though would be your father. Other than those two, I didn't see any bosses.
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Post by: PaLaDiN on January 14, 2004, 01:22:44 PM
I didn't like the puzzles because the visions told you how to solve them. I ended up skipping all the visions and the puzzles were still too easy. And once you solve them, they will NEVER be hard again.
I didn't like the fights because of the 20 enemies each time thing, not because they were simple. Simplicity wasn't the problem with them... the amount of pain they inflicted upon your rear end was. It was like pulling a tooth out with a rusty screwdriver on fire every time a fight started. Every time I solved a puzzle I thought, "oh God, next room is fight time, it always is. Why, God... why?"... And I was always right.
I haven't even mentioned the glitches yet.
And the FMV cutscenes weren't that good. The Prince's hair and face looked a little off... threw me off the whole thing.
Post by: Ocarina_Jedi on January 15, 2004, 11:43:26 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 15, 2004, 12:03:28 PM
Princess keels over for absolutely no reason all of a sudden. All the enemies in the room were long gone. Maybe they tried to simulate a heart attack or something.
I somehow went into a save point during or right before a cutscene (don't remember exactly, the cutscene had something to do with it) and the game froze. Restarted the game, skipped the cutscene, suddenly see a black screen, then gameplay resumes as normal. I have no idea if it restarted from the proper place either.
Landed on top of a flag once, helped me get down... tried to do it again, dropping from the exact same place, pixel perfect and everything, but it didn't work.
And I forgot to mention another thing that really ticked me off about this game: no subtitles. I'm hearing impaired, so I understood jack from the whole story and the dialogue was totally lost on me. Would it have killed them to copy and paste the stupid script the voice actors read into the game? Screw you too, Ubisoft.
