Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on January 05, 2004, 04:04:05 AM
EGM is also saying that a direct sequel to last year's hit The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker will be out during the second half of this year. Nintendo plans to have this game at E3 as well; a trailer will definitely be available and a playable demo will most likely be available. This year's E3 will definitiely turn out to be one of the best gaming conventions ever.
*I can only guess that this is Mario 128.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 05, 2004, 05:24:37 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 05, 2004, 06:14:24 AM
How could fans have "loved it" when they never got to play it? Fans are going to get excited over ANYTHING shown that's Mario related so I hope Nintendo isn't working on this game just because of that. They better actually feel as if it's a solid enough design to pursue.
As for Wind Waker 2 I think there's no way in hell that Nintendo would release two Zelda games two years in a row. I don't think that's a long enough development time and they delay everything. Maybe they're aiming for that release in Japan but I doubt they'll make it.
Post by: Perfect Cell on January 05, 2004, 07:14:09 AM
The Mario thing seems logical though since its been 2 years.... I also hope we get some Metroid Prime 2, and some Too Human at E3 to make it an awesome E3...
Post by: Ncubeboy45 on January 05, 2004, 08:40:08 AM
Post by: The Omen on January 05, 2004, 09:40:47 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 05, 2004, 10:52:24 AM
Post by: akdaman1 on January 05, 2004, 11:45:44 AM
But I do think that MP 2 , 128 Marios and a WW2 will be shown ( most likley playable ) , All I am certain is that its gonna be 1 hell of an E3.
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 05, 2004, 12:02:52 PM
Post by: kennyb27 on January 05, 2004, 12:13:37 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on January 05, 2004, 12:22:31 PM
So yeah, I don't think it "turned into" Pikmin, but I can see where one would think that.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 05, 2004, 12:33:04 PM
Man I hate it when people throw around the term "true sequel". What was Super Mario Sunshine a fake sequel or something? Even if they're quoting something Miyamoto said the whole idea is pretty dumb. Kind of like the Street Fighter numbering system.
Anyway I always thought that 100 Mario's became Pikmin as well. If it wasn't at least as a tech demo it proved that Pikmin could exist which makes it even weirder that Nintendo would seriously work on making that tech demo into a full game. What's the point of this game's existence with Pikmin on the shelf? The whole "controlling hundreds of guys at once" thing has been done so unless Miyamoto can think of another way to implement that concept such a title seems rather redundant. I know I certainly don't want to see a Mario-themed Pikmin clone so it better be something else.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 05, 2004, 12:39:39 PM
HERE they COME!
EVERYWHERE!
hippity-hoppity..."
(guess what Disney film that's from)
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 05, 2004, 12:47:13 PM
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Man I hate it when people throw around the term "true sequel". What was Super Mario Sunshine a fake sequel or something? Even if they're quoting something Miyamoto said the whole idea is pretty dumb. Kind of like the Street Fighter numbering system.
Actually, I was quoting Miyamoto there, using his words, so don't come down on me, Ian. A lot of people felt SMS was little more than SM64 with a watergun, and even though I loved the game, that's really what it was. Apparently Miyamoto intends to offer something completely new in SM128.
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So yeah, I don't think it "turned into" Pikmin, but I can see where one would think that.
Well, I wasn't just using logic there- I seem to remember someone at Nintendo saying they were working the tech demo into a game, and that game turned into Pikmin.
Post by: WesDawg on January 05, 2004, 01:39:56 PM
Anyways, what was the time difference between when OOT was released and MM? Seems like it was about the same.
In conclusion, it sounds like EGM is just drumming up old rummers to fill up space and press.
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 05, 2004, 01:51:46 PM
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A lot of people felt SMS was little more than SM64 with a watergun, and even though I loved the game, that's really what it was.
WesDawg, I DID like SMS a lot- one of the best platformers to date, and I'm not faulting it for being a scantily upgraded SM64 (especially because SM64 IS my favorite platformer ever), I'm just pointing out the facts. Yes Majora's Mask was little more than Ocarina of Time with a different story, but it's still my second favorite game of all time (right after OoT).
Post by: savanna03 on January 05, 2004, 01:58:19 PM
PS... NINTENDO make ZELDA a challenge this time... jeezzz
Post by: Djunknown on January 05, 2004, 03:13:33 PM
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Anyways, what was the time difference between when OOT was released and MM? Seems like it was about the same.
Oot came out at the tag end of 1998, while MM came out in October of 2000 in the United States. So it was almost two years between them, give or take a few months.
Releasing two Zeldas in such a short period of time? Why not? They're using the same engine, and Nintendo won't degrade its one of its top franchises completely. Hopefully they won't skimp this time (Throw in at least 1 more dungeon.)
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 05, 2004, 03:22:08 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on January 05, 2004, 03:29:22 PM
That's why I don't get into many arguments or debate threads, I'm always wrong. I don't need somebody else to tell me that..
Post by: Mario on January 05, 2004, 04:18:42 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on January 05, 2004, 04:39:29 PM
Also I can't stand the double standards here. If they wait 2 or 3 years with several delays you will bitch about how it takes Nintendo too long to make games, but if they release new games within just a year you will freak out saying they won't have enough time to work on the game. They are using the same engine and graphics folks. It shouldn't take them that long.
Post by: Oldskool on January 05, 2004, 11:03:56 PM
Post by: DrZoidberg on January 06, 2004, 12:14:04 AM
and rock crushes scissors, but paper covers rock.. and rock cuts paper... KIF we have a conundrum
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 06, 2004, 12:48:08 AM
Instead of creating a thread about things we know/have nothing useful about, let's wait till we actually got something useful, like a trailer or a fake set of screenshots.
Post by: Jale on January 06, 2004, 09:58:14 AM
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Originally posted by: Gibdo Master
if they release new games within just a year you will freak out saying they won't have enough time to work on the game. They are using the same engine and graphics folks. It shouldn't take them that long.
I dont want it to be rushed. I want a nice long game with a great, deep plot like OoT that will tie in nicely to the rest of the storyline. I want it to be better that WW, because thats what making new games is about: improvment.
Post by: ib2kool4u912 on January 06, 2004, 10:24:58 AM
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Originally posted by: savanna03
2 MARIO games in what, less than 2 years seems weird to me. if they did that, that is just milking the franchise unless they decided MARIO wont make it during launch on N5 then MARIO for GCN would definetly makes sense.
On the NES: Super Mario Bros.-1985, Super Mario Bros. 2-1988, Super Mario Bros. 3-1990
Thats 3 games in 5 five years, and the one released only 2 years after the one before it is considered by many to be the best Mario game.
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 06, 2004, 10:47:18 AM
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and rock crushes scissors, but paper covers rock.. and rock cuts paper... KIF we have a conundrum
You weren't going to use those scissors to hurt the people of Nylar-4, were you!
Post by: Ian Sane on January 06, 2004, 11:11:29 AM
Plus those are 2D games and naturally one would assume that those titles would be much faster to make than a modern 3D game. Zelda games have come out in reasonably quick succession before (A Link to the Past in 1992 followed by Link's Awakening in 1993) but game development time is such that at least two years is required between major sequels. If Zelda is released in Japan this year it will be cutting it close. However there's no way that a new Cube Zelda will be released in North America this year. If that happens I will... well be really happy. Kind of lost my train of thought there.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 06, 2004, 01:30:52 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on January 06, 2004, 04:34:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Gibdo Master
if they release new games within just a year you will freak out saying they won't have enough time to work on the game. They are using the same engine and graphics folks. It shouldn't take them that long.
I dont want it to be rushed. I want a nice long game with a great, deep plot like OoT that will tie in nicely to the rest of the storyline. I want it to be better that WW, because thats what making new games is about: improvment.
Well you might as well forget about that because it's probably going to be a side quest type game in the same vain as Majora's Mask. It will probably be even shorter than Wind Waker. Besides we are talking about Nintendo here and Miyamoto's star series. They aren't going to release a half assed game.
Post by: Ocarina Blue on January 06, 2004, 05:15:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Gibdo Master
Well you might as well forget about that because it's probably going to be a side quest type game in the same vain as Majora's Mask. It will probably be even shorter than Wind Waker.
Remember they have two dungeons alredy planned out that they didn't put in WW. MM was hardly shorter than OoT, and it's beeen given around the same development time. Why would they release a shorter product? Unlike when WW was being developed, the Cube already has a decent library of games. A stellar game 6 months later would do more good than a mediocre game 6 months sooner.
EDIT: Thanks Bill
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 06, 2004, 05:17:57 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on January 06, 2004, 05:50:26 PM
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Originally posted by: Ocarina BlueQuote
Originally posted by: Gibdo Master
Well you might as well forget about that because it's probably going to be a side quest type game in the same vain as Majora's Mask. It will probably be even shorter than Wind Waker.
Remember they have two dungeons alredy planned out that they didn't put in WW. MM was hardly shorter than OoT, and it's beeen given around the same development time. Why would they release a shorter product? Unlike when WW was being developed, the Cube already has a decent library of games. A stellar game 6 months later would do more good than a mediocre game 6 months sooner.
EDIT: Thanks Bill
I don't know which version of Majora's Mask you played but the one I played was considerably shorter than Ocarina of Time. For one thing Majora's Mask only had 4 full dungeons while Ocarina of Time had 8 not counting the final dungeons. In fact Majora's Mask has the least amount of dungeons out of all the Zelda games. Also the over-world was about half the size of Ocarina of Time's. This was something that Nintendo themselves said. Just to make this clear I don't think Majora's Mask is a bad game. In fact I think in many ways it's superior to Ocarina of Time, but the fact is that it is a shorter game.
I forgot about them already having those two dungeons made that were cut from Wind Waker though. They should definitely be able to get this game out within a year with that in mind.
Post by: Ocarina Blue on January 06, 2004, 06:01:10 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on January 06, 2004, 06:10:15 PM
Post by: Ocarina Blue on January 06, 2004, 08:04:26 PM
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So you agree with me then?
Not about this:
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Originally posted by: Gibdo Master
It will probably be even shorter than Wind Waker.
The points I was trying to make were: a) two dungeons were left over from WW, which can be re-used, b) WW2 has been given about the same ammount of development MM was, and MM wasn't an incredibly short game, and c) because there isn't as much pressure to release as there was when WW was being developed (which is why it's quite short), it's more likley to be delayed to assure quality and lengh.
Sorry if I lead you astray.
Post by: Gibdo Master on January 06, 2004, 08:23:39 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 07, 2004, 06:41:08 AM
That's it! I always wondered what was missing from Wind Waker and that's it. Wind Waker is made in such a way that Majora's Mask could have never existed. One thing I really liked about MM was that it made extensive use of time. It went beyond night and day to having to keep track of every hour. I'm not expecting another Zelda game to use the three day thing but that sort of scheduling should reappear. In Wind Waker all there was was night and day and that didn't even affect much. Not as much as it did in Ocarina at least. Another element in MM that really made it deep was the transformation masks because they essentially let you control four characters. Again none of that was present in Wind Waker.
Anyway to get back on topic yeah I figure "Wind Waker 2" will be more sidequest oriented like Majora's Mask. Hopefully it will have more than four dungeons though. Following the usual trend it probably won't have Ganon in it and will follow a storyline that ultimately doesn't really affect the other Zelda titles. Aside from Zelda 2 the "second titles" in each grouping usually are side stories. I'm hoping it's more land based this time around. Those who have beaten the game will probably agree with me that the ending suggests the possibility of more land in a sequel.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 07, 2004, 10:02:47 AM
I love MM too, for the same reasons. I love WW for different reasons.
Post by: Gibdo Master on January 07, 2004, 10:03:37 AM
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Those who have beaten the game will probably agree with me that the ending suggests the possibility of more land in a sequel.
Yeah. More than likely Wind Waker 2 will revolve around Link and Tetra finding a new land.
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 07, 2004, 10:31:24 AM
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That's it! I always wondered what was missing from Wind Waker and that's it. Wind Waker is made in such a way that Majora's Mask could have never existed.
Are we going to have to get into this again? Majora's Mask created an alternate timeline, one in which no other Zelda happened. Wind Waker is made in such a way that Majora's Mask could never have existed because in Wind Waker's past Majora's Mask never did exist- Link simply left and never came back- that's why at the beginning of Wind Waker it says when Ganondorf returned, Link never showed up to face him, which is the whole reason Hyrule is flooded. Now that Ganondorf has been defeated, Hyrule does not have to remain flooded.
Personally, I loved the sailing, but I agree WW2 doesn't need to follow in WW's tradition in the sense that sailing is all you do- I'd rather have a healthy mixture of land and water.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 07, 2004, 10:59:23 AM
I meant gameplay additions made in Majora's Mask were not included. I don't care about the story.
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 07, 2004, 11:06:40 AM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on January 07, 2004, 12:02:44 PM
Anyhoo, I recall GCCafe, a month ago or so, reporting that Camelot is 75 percent done with Mario Tennis, and that 25 percent is just cosmetic, or something like that, so I wouldn't be surprised to see MT is Japan too much after E3. If not, it'll still defnitely be at E3, and maybe even the press conference on the 16th! (yeah, right)
MP2's another game I'm sure will be at E3, and if we all hold hands and wish really hard, we'll get Animal Crossing 2 and cookies.
Post by: Gibdo Master on January 07, 2004, 12:11:13 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on January 08, 2004, 12:20:48 PM
EDIT: I didn't realize it till now, but this makes it impossible for a new hard drive for the GCN to be the answer, or even a new online plan. Damn, that would've been cool.
Post by: MadMan on January 09, 2004, 03:39:13 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 09, 2004, 06:09:34 AM
As cool as that would be there still would be a lot of classic games that wouldn't be included because the publishers wouldn't agree to it or the original publisher no longer exists. While I love the idea of a classic gaming machine I would like it if they included three cartridge slots so you can play original copies of old games as well. It should also hook up to other controllers for multiplayer.
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on January 10, 2004, 09:01:38 AM
Post by: Guitar Smasher on January 10, 2004, 10:40:23 AM
Post by: odifiend on January 10, 2004, 01:29:39 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 12, 2004, 06:44:44 AM
I would rather likely never find an old game I want than absolutely never find it. If a retro machine only plays new re-releases of old games then a whole bunch of cult classics will just plain NEVER be playable on it. While I think re-releases should happen I for one don't want to have to wait around for re-releases of Tecmo Pro Wrestling and Trog that are never going to come. The option to play old carts should be there so I can play any NES, SNES or N64 game I want regardless of how obscure it is. If it's just going to be re-releases well then what's the point since the GBA is pretty much used for that already.
Post by: odifiend on January 12, 2004, 09:17:36 AM
Post by: Guitar Smasher on January 12, 2004, 10:22:26 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"The problem with 3 slots, as I've said before, is that you likely won't be able to find all the old games you want."
I would rather likely never find an old game I want than absolutely never find it. If a retro machine only plays new re-releases of old games then a whole bunch of cult classics will just plain NEVER be playable on it. While I think re-releases should happen I for one don't want to have to wait around for re-releases of Tecmo Pro Wrestling and Trog that are never going to come. The option to play old carts should be there so I can play any NES, SNES or N64 game I want regardless of how obscure it is. If it's just going to be re-releases well then what's the point since the GBA is pretty much used for that already.
Well I understand how a lot of games wouldn't be remade, but wouldn't somebody who found those old games have the system to play them on? Wouldn't it be correct to assume that whoever has the game, already has the system for it? I'm just in favour remakes, I guess, because no stores or anyone sell old games where I live.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 12, 2004, 10:30:46 AM
Not necessarily. Many old NES's don't work anymore in which case the owner may have a big game collection but no console to play them on. Plus having only one system to hook up instead of three is pretty sweet. Finally it's just a more flexible model if you can play both re-releases and old games.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 12, 2004, 10:35:23 AM
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Plus having only one system to hook up instead of three is pretty sweet.
Tell me about it...I currently have 6 systems hooked up and I'm completely out of room for another...
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Post by: Koopa Troopa on January 13, 2004, 11:21:37 AM
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Lookout... Lookout... there's *MARIOS* on PARADE
HERE they COME!
EVERYWHERE!
hippity-hoppity..."
(guess what Disney film that's from)
Dumbo!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 13, 2004, 12:26:09 PM
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Post by: kennyb27 on January 25, 2004, 12:19:59 PM
QuoteThat took some thought.
no
QuoteIt's called scrolling.
I haven't been tracking my thread, so I have no idea what y'all are talking about. WIll someone fill me in? Thnx
But I'll let you in on the secret anyway. Mario posted this link with some fake looking "screens." However, I'm secretly hoping that they make a 2D Mario.
Post by: Swordsplay on January 25, 2004, 07:55:12 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on January 25, 2004, 11:14:42 PM
A wacky Super Mario World in 3D is a great idea - leave the realistic environments to Zelda - since this is what Mario is all about!
I was getting sick of the tropical island shtick anyway - being back the lava worlds! The snow lands! The cliched platform worlds and make them cool again!
Post by: kennyb27 on January 26, 2004, 11:17:42 AM
QuoteKinda' like Viewtiful Joe, huh?
i bloody hope mario 128 isn'y a 2.5D game. That is such a waste of GC power and money, unique idea and gameplay or not.
Post by: odifiend on January 26, 2004, 11:44:11 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 26, 2004, 11:50:50 AM
I can tell you this, however...Do NOT expect the next Mario game to be ground-breaking in graphics...
Post by: Ian Sane on January 26, 2004, 12:39:45 PM
I find it funny how people assume that Mario games and ground-breaking graphics don't go hand in hand. What about Super Mario Bros 3 which looked so good for an NES game that it could have passed off as a SNES launch title? What about Yoshi's Island which was absolutely amazing looking from both a technical and artistic point of view? Despite what revisionist history has indicated good graphics and Mario games have traditionally gone hand in hand. Even the super ugly Super Mario Bros was incredible at the time of release.
The only pre-Sunshine Mario platformer that didn't look that great was Super Mario 64 but because it was such a new concept, was a launch title, and still looked better than any PSX game from the time, everyone cut it some slack. That's ONE Mario title that looked like crap and thus not enough to justify Super Mario Sunshine looking as underwhelming as it did. Launch games looked better than Super Mario Sunshine. While it very well might look just as bad the next Mario has no valid excuse for not having great graphics. It doesn't have to be super realistic but it should still look good. As least as good as SSBM. It probably won't and I'm going to justifiably criticize it if that's the case.
As for how the next Mario should play I think the full 3D exploration gameplay of Super Mario 64 still has some life left in it so there's no need to change formats. Super Mario Sunshine was a disappointing game but not a bad one and Super Mario 64 was a classic so it's not like the formula is broken. This isn't like the Sonic Adventure series which always had problems that needed to be fixed.
The problem with Super Mario Sunshine is that it changed a lot of stuff and removed stuff but didn't really improve very much. The result is no flight for Mario, no non-island themed levels, no collecting stars/shines out of order, and a new permanent water pack. Basically if for the next Mario they ditched the water pack, put flight back in the game, had a variety of levels, alowed us to collect stars out of order, improved on technical stuff (controls, camera, etc), and added some new power ups (ie: NOT permanent) they would have a sequel that although not really ground breaking would be REALLY good. Super Mario Sunshine tried too hard to innovate and the result wasn't so hot. Something similiar to Super Mario 64 that improves the formula is ideal. A Super Mario World instead of a Super Mario Bros 2.
Post by: odifiend on January 26, 2004, 12:48:06 PM
).Yeah I've learned this generation not to set the bar too high for Nintendo games on their surfaces. (But that is the reason I was blown away by Metroid Prime) Still Nintendo's mechanics have always been and, I hope, always will be solid.
Post by: kennyb27 on January 26, 2004, 01:12:58 PM
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Post by: Mario on February 07, 2004, 01:21:31 PM
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NOM UK - Why are you hiding Mario 128 from the public?
Miyamoto - I'm sorry that I have been unable to talk much about that title. With Mario 128 I have been challenging many unprecedented things, not found in existing video games. These new ideas are prone to lose their freshness or to be imitated once they go public, so we must be extremely careful when we discuss such things. I have been feeling the pressure that I have to complete this project. Would you please be patient?
I wonder if we'll even see it at this years E3. It seems like this game has been in development forever...
Post by: vudu on February 09, 2004, 07:18:22 AM
thinking back several months i remember miyamoto was saying they couldn't show off double dash to the public because it had "new, radical gameplay". and as we all know, it just turned out to be *gasp* having two characters in a single kart. yeah, it was great--but hardly revolutionary.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 09, 2004, 07:31:40 AM
And unless Ninty had been thinking of the DS around the same time the GC was first introduced, I doubt it...(Mario 128 has been in development since around the release of the GC)
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Post by: Bill Aurion on February 25, 2004, 03:12:22 PM
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Originally posted by: revolg_98
I just replayed and beat Zelda 1. Mayamoto isn't in the credits
Uh, yeah he is...
Just a simple translation error...
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Post by: odifiend on February 29, 2004, 08:41:02 AM
"Dear diary, I ate a mushroom today. Do you think Mario will notice."
No one is that pathetic!
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