Post by: dus on December 18, 2003, 03:40:22 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 18, 2003, 03:45:14 AM
No...Give me my genius "kiddy" games over crappy "mature" games anyday...
Post by: Ian Sane on December 18, 2003, 06:18:28 AM
Striving to be like the Xbox isn't a great strategy though since the Xbox is not in that much better of a situation than the Cube (and may be overtaken because of the Cube's new price). The PS2 is the market leader and thus if you're going to copy another console copy that one.
Post by: KDR_11k on December 18, 2003, 06:35:50 AM
Post by: ghostVi on December 18, 2003, 07:12:20 AM
actually xbox2 does struggle to be more like GC, because of it's success.1) Rumours are xbox2 is not going to have a HD and it'll use proprietary disc format.
2) For sure we know ATI and IBM will be doing it.
Come to think of it there's nothing more MS can do to make xbox2 GC-like. Buying Nintendo probably, which won't happen.
Edit: on the topic, I have to agree with KDR, "mature" alone doesn't make a game, but there are some games out there that need it to deliver the best possible experience.
Post by: dus on December 18, 2003, 08:09:52 AM
Kids want violence, and I know a few kids (*cough, cough, Logan, cough*) who can't handle that violence. You know what I mean? Games like Halo and Eternal Darkness: truly fantastic, lasting, classic games. They will last FOREVER! Three cheers to "aged" gamers! Hip, hip, hurray!
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 18, 2003, 08:53:22 AM
It's these kids that don't need to be playing these types of games anyway...It's sad knowing you live in a world that reeks of inhumanity...
Post by: mouse_clicker on December 18, 2003, 10:24:14 AM
Post by: The Omen on December 18, 2003, 10:31:21 AM
Post by: dus on December 18, 2003, 11:29:46 AM
Post by: Guitar Smasher on December 18, 2003, 04:59:58 PM
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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
If people are too shallow to recognize Nintendo's worth, that's their problem, not Nintendo's.
Don't be so ignorant! That is exactly Nintendo's problem!
Anyways, my opinion on the matter is that I think Nintendo should stick with making games enjoyable for all ages (or in modern gamer terms, "kiddie"). However, they should happily invite and encourage mature gaming on their console. I should also mention that my definition of mature refers to what mature actually means: empathic, insightful, concerned, etc. Truly 'mature' people, are ones who are not excited or entertained by killing/rape or whatever there is in video games. I think of myself as a mature person. But I'm not a hypocrite either for having played Halo; I enjoy the game for outwitting my opponents, and accomplishing goals, rather than for the means (ie: killing, brutalizing). I think this was voiced in previous posts, as in gameplay rather than exploiting antihuman nature. By encouraging these games in this manner, I think Nintendo would be making the best choice, because they give older gamers what they want, but also leave the option for parent's to buy harmless, kid-friendly games.
This interestingly reminds me of a book which I read and wrote a paper about. That book is "A Clockwork Orange" by Anthony Burgess. There is a lot of brutality and rape in the novel, but this is all overpowered by the book's themes and ideas on morals and good vs evil. A movie was later made of the novel, in which the violence seemed to be 'glorified' I have found it general consensus, though, that the book is better than the movie, because of its meaning, not its means. Why can't gamers be more like this?
Post by: dus on December 18, 2003, 05:04:16 PM
Post by: MysticalMatt517 on December 18, 2003, 05:10:06 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
The PS2 is the market leader and thus if you're going to copy another console copy that one.
In other words, allow anyone who ever had a game design idea written on the back of a napkin someplace publish their game on your system regardless of the quality of the final product.
Not that this is a bad thing.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on December 18, 2003, 05:25:01 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on December 18, 2003, 05:41:49 PM
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Don't be so ignorant! That is exactly Nintendo's problem!
Like I said- if Nintendo makes a game violent and bloody for the sole purpouse of getting sales, they've lost my business. I'll leave and never look back. If they happen to choose such a direction via a creative decision, that's great, but I won't have Nintendo compromising their morals and values just to get X more sales. Nintendo has always been about making the best games they can, and it's not Nintendo's fault if others don't see that. I'd rather them lag behind in sales with the best games than be the sales leader with half-assed games that ride on image rather than quality. There is a such thing as dignity, and it's no coincidence it seems to be only the Japanese companies that are concerned with keeping it.
Post by: NarmaK on December 18, 2003, 07:33:02 PM
If they made more mature games that just happen to be dark and violent then that would be great. Nintendo has talent, and only using that talent on kids games is pretty friggin annoying.
Post by: oohhboy on December 19, 2003, 12:11:15 AM
Post by: Ymeegod on December 19, 2003, 02:39:14 AM
Also, it doesn't need blood or guts to get marked as a mature game IMO. Driving & sports titles is what most adults play that I know. Nintendo used to Left Field as a developer of these titles but they left after Courtside 2002 which left a big gapping hole in nintendo's lineup. Nintendo should have done something about this years prior IMO especially giving that Nascar is now the fastest growing sport in NA. MS actually did step up to Sony's GT3 with it's own PGR2 game but so far the closest thing nintendo has going for it is F-zero which is almost like comparing apples to a orange.
That's why Sony exceeds--it doesn't leave a gap in geners.
Post by: dus on December 19, 2003, 04:38:06 AM
Is it wierd that I respond to my own forumns? : )
Post by: dee kay on December 19, 2003, 10:55:22 AM
Post by: dus on December 19, 2003, 11:12:00 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on December 19, 2003, 11:25:48 AM
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Nintendo's doesn't have to make the games themselves but they shouldn't allow multiplantform games like GTA not to appear on it's console.
They didn't- It was Rockstar's decision to not put GTA on the Gamecube, not Nintendo's. Similarly, a lot of people forget that the Gamecube version of BMX XXX (despite it in general being a horrible game) was the least censored of the three. In fact, it wasn't censored at all.
Post by: dee kay on December 19, 2003, 11:36:15 AM
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Post by: dee kay on December 19, 2003, 11:46:54 AM
i hope they bring it out on gc.. maybe then people will think twice about the gc
Post by: KDR_11k on December 19, 2003, 09:01:27 PM
Post by: NarmaK on December 19, 2003, 09:49:50 PM
Post by: dus on December 20, 2003, 04:20:35 AM
"I'll never buy an other console..."
End quote
Listen, I hapen to own a Gamecube, an Xbox, and a PS2 (and a Dreamcast, as if it matters). I am not afraid to admit that the GCN isn't my favorite system, per se.
I used to be a MAJOR hater of Xbox. Then, one day, I was at a friend's house, and he was having a LAN party (Local Area Connection!!). I started to pick up a controller and he told me this game was "Halo" (whatever that was!). So, I hate Xbox don't I? I 'm that kid who sits in the video game stores and tries to convince people against buying anything Xbox. Well, after that party, within seven hours I had my very own Xbox, extra controller, and, of course, Halo.
Bizarro...
I still love my GCN, but don't judge the other systems based on their games- that's why people aren't buying GCN.
Post by: KDR_11k on December 20, 2003, 04:49:26 AM
"but don't judge the other systems based on their games"
Do judge a console by its games, as they are what you'll end up playing.
If people judged the Cube by the quality of its games, they wouldn't have an aversion against it. People are judging it by its appearance and that of its games. That's the problem.
Never judge a system after only playing it multiplayer unless you will do so most of the time. LAN is infinitely more fun than Singleplayer (or online, IMO) but a rare experience. The effort associated with LANs make them a rare event and if you don't happen to have 10+ friends you'll end up with quite a small number of players (because usually half of them can't come). Believe me, I do that on a regular basis (on PC, though).
Post by: Guitar Smasher on December 20, 2003, 05:19:28 AM
Post by: dus on December 20, 2003, 07:09:02 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 20, 2003, 07:30:48 AM
Post by: dus on December 20, 2003, 09:21:01 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on December 20, 2003, 09:25:43 AM
Post by: dus on December 20, 2003, 09:35:19 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on December 20, 2003, 09:43:10 AM
And who are you to be saying Nintendo isn't producing original games, and then in the same paragraph claim Halo is genious? While Halo may be a very good FPS, that's just what it is- a FPS, no different than the hundreds of others available on the PC. What new features does it offer to the genre? Indeed, what FPS since Half-Life has done anything to change the genre?
Post by: dus on December 20, 2003, 09:55:09 AM
Yeah, there are tons of FPSs, and Halo didn't revoloutionize that genre. It evoloutionized it! That is excatly what Miyamoto does- evoloution, not revoloution.
Post by: mouse_clicker on December 20, 2003, 10:10:11 AM
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Yeah, there are tons of FPSs, and Halo didn't revoloutionize that genre. It evoloutionized it! That is excatly what Miyamoto does- evoloution, not revoloution.
So why downplay Nintendo and then say Halo is a work of genious?
Post by: dus on December 20, 2003, 10:53:14 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on December 20, 2003, 04:23:27 PM
Post by: dee kay on December 20, 2003, 04:38:04 PM
Post by: dus on December 20, 2003, 06:08:38 PM
I didn't contradict myself: my original point was "Should GCN embrace violent and dark games". Well, should it? I think yes, but only to a certain standard (no more BMX XXXes or GTAs, right?). However, I feel like I have seen the light, if you will- Nintendo has some strong-willed fanboys, and it kinda reminds me of me two years ago. I really repect that, actually. Anyways, let's get back to the topic, shall we? Besides, I'm obviously not as smart as you guys... I've only been in the forumns for two days, and feel like I've started a war or something! Sorry, dudes (or girls)!
Post by: mouse_clicker on December 20, 2003, 06:25:31 PM
And you haven't started a war, just brought up something that Nintendo fans don't like to deal with, yet have to very often.
Post by: KDR_11k on December 20, 2003, 09:33:26 PM
Post by: NarmaK on December 20, 2003, 10:21:13 PM
Well whatever, I think that nintendo should make games about as dark and violent as BG&E and SC2.
Anything more and they wouldnt know what the hell they are doing.
Embracing? wtf does that mean? Consoles dont embrace games, they dont make them, they just Fing play them. Should nintendo give certain breaks to developers so they will develop more mature games for GC?
If they feel like it, I dont realy give a damn. If developers want to give more mature games to GC then they will, it doesnt have all that much to do with nintendo.
Right now I cant think of any mature games I would rather have on GC. Maybe goldeneye2 or FFXIII, but those will probably be on the GC or NES5 anyways.
So uh, yeah. Everybody name a game other than GTA you would like to see on GC.
Post by: dus on December 21, 2003, 04:26:28 AM
Oh, and Mature games I'd like to see on GCN? Well, I praise Nintendo for not having GTA on their system, as that happens to dominate a systems image. So, I guess having the Final Fantasies and Fatal Frames (1 and 2). I guess that's about it, really.
Ps. I don't think you're allowed to start polls, ie. lists
Post by: KDR_11k on December 21, 2003, 05:45:00 AM
Post by: The Omen on December 21, 2003, 06:49:16 AM
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How dare you even suggest that games like Halo aren't genius! I personally think that Halo, among some other Mature games, is the most brilliant game of all time!
I think you need to expand your horizans. Halo is a good game. Thats it. Leave the genius sh!t out of here. I'm so tired of people riding this game. Is it a top FPS? Probably. But it is not revolutionary in any way. Stop thinking its the be-all end-all to gaming.
Post by: dus on December 21, 2003, 08:33:31 AM
Post by: Jale on December 21, 2003, 08:37:09 AM
Post by: Berny on December 21, 2003, 08:50:37 AM
As for FPSs I've never played Halo nor do I wish to. I'm not a big fan of the genre though mainly because I have no skill when it comes to those games. Metroid Prime however is NOT a traditional FPS. I played through the game twice and loved every minute of it. I'd never played a FP adventure before (I don't know how many there are actually) but Metroid Prime was a truly wonderful game.
Post by: Jale on December 21, 2003, 09:33:50 AM
Post by: dus on December 21, 2003, 11:35:32 AM
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Post by: SpeeDz on December 22, 2003, 07:53:41 PM
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Post by: KDR_11k on December 23, 2003, 10:16:30 PM
Post by: Guitar Smasher on December 24, 2003, 06:56:40 AM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on December 24, 2003, 12:25:24 PM
Goldeneye was revolutionary. PD was and always will be evolutionary.
I'm not sure, but Half Life seems to be revolutionary, and Halo evolutionary.
Super Mario 64 was revolutionary, MArio Sunshine evolutionary.
I'm very skeptical about calling Metroid Prime revolutionary, in that it's not a shoot-at-millions-of-baddies-in-gun-warfare, but rather an adventure much like Zelda. So i'm not that sure.
Geist may be called revolutionary, since you dont just play one person, but as many, but we'll have to see how well it's executed.
Perfect Dark was waaaaay over-rated. The fact that it was a Rare game in the mould of Goldeneye and '10000 times better' just made people talk of it in god-like terms with deathly amounts of exclamation marks. N64 Gamer gave it the rediculous score of 101% cause not only was it a great game with a great story, by allowing you to choose whether you want to risk the 2 frames per second multiplayer (4 players with 12 bots each), you could, where Goldeneye simply restricted gameplay if the framerate wasn't gonna be high.
Stupid, but true.
I was very 'wtf' about the rest of the game when i realised the scientist you had to rescue in the first two missions turned out to be a freakin computer that flies and talks in a ghey british accent. Rare's attempts at a hollywood blockbuster type game were stifled by Z-grade acting and plain crappy plot developments.
PD was good, but not great. If Goldeneye had voice acting and the graphics of today, then it would have been the gratest game of all time. The game could benefit from better frame rates - imagine how cool that would be in multiplayer
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 24, 2003, 02:45:52 PM
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What would become of the movie industry if everybody made violent movies filled with gore, rape and wanton violence?
I don't even want to imagine what would come about if THAT were to happen
Post by: dus on December 25, 2003, 09:31:28 AM
Post by: Chongman on December 25, 2003, 04:07:47 PM
ya ummm...i only read like the first three posts so bear with me, 'kay?
i'll try to be simple.
no, nintendo shouldn't change their ethics, their morals, or their style of games. Their goal is to create games that everyone can play (i think thats what they mean when they say "simple", not easy and boring like most people are taking it) and that are innovative and downright FUN. They should NEVER change that. I mean, c'mon, thats nintendo.
yes, nintendo should get more "mature" titles, if only for the sole purpose of drawing in a bigger chunk of the market. i dont mean games with just random violence but GOOD mature titles. It cannot be ignored that a huuuge percentage of the market are adults and if nintendo wants to make titles "playable to all ages" then they need to appeal to these gamers too.
No, giving mario a gun and link a side-kick with big boobs is not the answer (though it would be interesting...i mean no! not the answer!!) but bringing out new games that just simply spread the feeling of, "damn...damn thats cool." Geist, Custom Robo, and Viewtiful Joe (yeah! I realize it's 3rd party) come to mind at this moment. Damn thats cool.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 25, 2003, 05:54:49 PM
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Alot of movies ARE filled with violence and sex.
Yeah, and some movies have sarcasm in them, too, I hear
Post by: getupkids on December 27, 2003, 03:04:57 AM
how could a system do that? i think you meant: should nintendo embrace the dark.
i dont think nintendo should, though, 3rd parties can do whatever they want.
Post by: The Omen on December 27, 2003, 07:41:48 AM
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Post by: oohhboy on December 27, 2003, 11:59:15 PM
