Post by: joshnickerson on December 03, 2003, 03:58:32 PM
Post by: kennyb27 on December 03, 2003, 04:02:21 PM
Post by: Berny on December 03, 2003, 04:08:03 PM
That was rhetorical. I'm sure there's at least 5 people here who liked it. I just happen to dislike it. With an intense, passionate, undying hatred.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 03, 2003, 04:17:50 PM
*repeat*
*repeat*
Post by: the_zombie_luke on December 03, 2003, 04:23:50 PM
Post by: joshnickerson on December 03, 2003, 04:25:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Berny
I just happen to dislike it. With an intense, passionate, undying hatred.
Soooo.... you hated it?
Post by: Berny on December 03, 2003, 04:34:40 PM
...WGOTY... you figure it out....
Post by: Michael8983 on December 03, 2003, 04:36:23 PM
I think the games will be delayed until at least February which is when SA2B came out a couple of years ago. I do think giving the Gamecube version a headstart would make sense. Both Sonic Adventure ports sold well on the Gamecube afterall.
BTW, the Sonic Heroes demo is actually really fun. It just takes a while to get used to the crazy controls. The problem is people aren't giving it a chance. I hated the demo at first too but after I got over the learning curve it became by far my favorite Gamecube demo yet (beating out both the SC2 and VJ demos). The level design is amazing, the controls are intuitive after some practice, and the camera isn't as bad as in the Sonic Adventure games and there aren't anywhere near as many glitches. The only thing that really sucks is the voice acting.
Post by: Berto2K on December 03, 2003, 04:36:41 PM
Post by: Rich on December 03, 2003, 04:47:12 PM
Post by: Koopa Troopa on December 03, 2003, 04:48:16 PM
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Well, considering the game sucks hard core, I really don't care. I mean seriously, who here played the demo and LIKED it?
Yeah, I didn't care for what I played either... it seemed as though I was just holding forward on the control stick the whole time, I don't really remember having to jump or anything.
Post by: Berny on December 03, 2003, 05:42:19 PM
Oh yeah, and my cousin played that and he commented on how stupid the intro song was. He was like, "I could have thought that up in 5 minutes and the guy that did it first will get millions." I said, "He won't get paid if it doesn't sell. Which it won't, if this is what it will be like."
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 03, 2003, 05:48:31 PM
Post by: Berny on December 03, 2003, 05:51:49 PM
) for not hating Sonic Heroes. I personally like stress. And frustration. And VJ. And not SH. By the way, I think this thread should be re dubbed, SH discussion/bashing. Bill, get out of here. This is the place to BASH. Go start your OWN thread. You arent wanted here.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 03, 2003, 05:55:34 PM
Hehe...I just said that I didn't like the demo...
Post by: Berny on December 03, 2003, 05:58:52 PM
WOOOO! I totally did NOT read your post. lol. Way to go, Berny.*irons fists as punishment*
I'm gonna be quiet now before I do something REALLY stupid.
Post by: ThePerm on December 03, 2003, 06:17:30 PM
i loved the oldschool 2d ones but these 3d ones really suck ass.
Post by: MysticalMatt517 on December 03, 2003, 09:15:15 PM
Don't get me wrong, the Sonic games are still fun in their own way. Yet while Mario entered the 3D world with one of the most amazing games of all time (Mario 64), sonic seemed to have a harder time with the transition...
Post by: Ian Sane on December 04, 2003, 06:26:03 AM
Since the camera was always the biggest problem with the Sonic Adventure games the fact that it still sucks is going to doom this title to mediocrity which is too bad because it's a step in the right direction and seems like a legitimate attempt to improve. There's no more boring search or mech levels anymore which alone is a great improvement.
I think Sega has to realize what Konami and Capcom have been forced to learn the hard way: some classic 2D franchises don't work in 3D. I think like Mega Man and Castlevania, Sonic is going have to go back to being a 2D series where it may not be as high calibur of a title but will remain true to the series.
Oh and Sonic Team NO ONE LIKES AMY, ROUGE, CREAM OR ANY OF THESE OTHER LOSERS SO STOP MAKING US PLAY THEM!!
Post by: WesDawg on December 04, 2003, 11:55:35 AM
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You figure eight years after the release of NiGHTS that Sonic Team would have figured out how to make a decent 3D camera. It's not that hard. Make it so you can move the camera any direction you want and use one button to center the camera behind your character.
LOL. Ya' have to laugh at that. That's exactly what SMS did and critics hated it. I've come to the conclusion there's no way to make people happy with a camera. Unless it has some sort of magic ability to know exactly what you want to see and always show it, people will complain. If it requires any sort of intervention by the player, people will complain. If the computer controls it for even a second, people will complain.
Post by: Ian Sane on December 04, 2003, 12:28:06 PM
That's also what Wind Waker did and everyone loved it. And even if it was executed like in SMS it would be an improvement and would be tolerable. The problem with Super Mario Sunshine's camera was that it got stuck on objects and when Mario was behind something all you saw was a silouhette. I find the problem with most 3D cameras is that the designers treat it like a physical camera so it get's stuck when it swings around behind the main character. With Zelda they made it so that the camera instantly teleported behind which is the most "well DUH" addition to a camera ever and the fact that everyone hasn't copied it since (including EAD themselves!) is bizarre.
Make the camera go through solid objects and make solid objects become transparent when they block the main character and *POOF* instant usable camera.
