Post by: Termin8Anakin on November 05, 2003, 05:46:45 AM
Action was eye-ballingly fast, and the fight scenes are litterally not for the fait of heart, nor the epileptic.
I think the movie posed a few more questions imo, then it did answer, especially if you were confused in MAtrix Reloaded.
But it does have that 'resolution', that 'definite end' that the directors/producers/actors said that we would get.
I won't go into any details until other people get into this, but the movie is worth seeing, but please, prepare to turn your eyes into mush.
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Post by: Termin8Anakin on November 05, 2003, 05:53:47 PM
Why, do you ask, did I say that I wasn't fully concious?
Well, consider this:
I booked tickets to the MAtrix MArathon. The Matrix at 7pm, The MAtrix Reloaded at 10pm, and then The Matrix Revolutions, the simultaneous worldwide release, at 1am.
After it finished at 3:30am, I went home, and didn't sleep till like 7am. Was just talking to my friends until that time.
And I woke up like a couple of hours ago (it's nearly 4pm now).
ANYWAY....
What did you guys think of it?
Assuming I am not the only one here who has watched it.
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 05, 2003, 06:33:13 PM
First of all, I would like to say that I went into the movie with very low expectations. I liked The Matrix fine and dandy, although I didn't see it as the second coming of Star Wars, the way that many did. The second movie was a dissapointment to me. I liked the atmosphere and style with which the first movie was done, and the second one sort of went off on its own, and left the first one behind. It almost felt like the first movie should have been one of the films on The Animatrix, and I just found that wrong. The movie also seemed to be very strained, and like it was trying to be something that it wasn't. As a result, I had felt that the trilogy had completely lost its magic, and had become nothing more than a symbol of modern day pop culture. Thus, I entered the movie theater with low expectations, and expected to see more of the same stuff that was given to us in The Matrix Reloaded. It's just as well that I expected that I suppose. In a sense it WAS a continuation of The Matrix Reloaded, but it regained the atmosphere and feel of the first movie, and that was really the most important thing.
The Matrix has always had a very disjointed feel to it. Much of the dialog and events have always seemed a little forced, as if the creators had specific scenes that they wanted to show, and were willing to warp the natural order of things in order to present those scenes, and those lines. I have always considered The Matrix to be a very quirky story, as many plot elements just don't make sense, but the stylistic value makes up for the lack of plausability. The third movie is not any different. There was one scene that was supposed to summon deep emotion, and I actually started giggling at the horrible dialog and acting. But enough about that.
The movie contains a much more epic feel than either of the first two movies. Maybe that's what I really liked about it. But the whole time I was watching the movie, I felt a familiar aura. It seemed almost as if Star Wars, Xenogears, Silent Hill, and Chrono Trigger had all come to pay their respects. Those who know me well would know that this ranks quite high among my highest praise. One part during the movie, I could have almost sworn I heard the dialog spoken during the credits of Silent Hill 2. Another part struck a very familiar nerve with me, bringing images of the beginning of the second disc of Xenogears. Pure artwork. It could be that I am tired and losing touch with reality, but I honestly felt like I was watching and listening to those scenes again for the first time.
The Matrix Revolutions has it all, and it doesn't even really feel that rushed. It's got the same mythological environment and atmosphere present in the first movie, it's got epic battle sequences that would feel at home during the climax of Star Wars Episode II, and the story between Trinity and Neo for once didn't feel pushed and out of place. It felt like it would belong in Xenogears.
I guess that my closing remarks on this movie would be that the sum of the parts was truly greater than the whole. The ending wasn't that great, and the story wasn't entirely unexpected. But the imagery and craftsmanship involved in the movie more than made up for any other shortcomings that the movie may have had. If you were looking for the sequel to The Matrix in The Matrix Reloaded, and were dissapointed, then now is the time that you are repaid for the money you spent to go and see it. This is the sequel.
Formal scoring? I don't do that for movies. Just games.
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 05, 2003, 06:35:27 PM
Post by: DrForester on November 05, 2003, 06:56:57 PM
SPOILER BELOW:
I liked that they left the question at the end about if Neo lived or died. Thought it was a very good question to leave open.
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Post by: Termin8Anakin on November 05, 2003, 11:18:27 PM
I was confused by that whole darn ending. I mean, is that city a new one, rebuilt from the machine city, from the real world or is it the 'new' Matrix? And that HUGE spike head machine - is that the Architect? I think I get it, in that the Oracle, Achitect, Sereph and that little girl were not part of the real world or the Martix, so that is why they survived. When Smith takes over the Oracle, did that mean that she was the one that killed him in the end? Or when Smith took over Neo then NEO was the one wo defeated Smith in the same manner he did in the first movie?
I think the best part of the movie was when Trinity drives up through the clouds, and they see the real, sunlit sky for the first time. It just gave me goosebumps from that good feeling.
Did Neo really die? I mean, the deal with the 'Architect' was to destroy their common enemy - Smith - who could now take over beings from the real world as well (Bane). If he failed to defeat Smith, then the machines could kill him. So did he really die? All we see is this huge flash of light in Neo's 'fire-vision'.
You know, I was quite glad that some of our predictions that there would be another Matrix turned out to be wrong.
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Post by: Swordsplay on November 06, 2003, 04:38:41 AM
"NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! You spoiled the movie for me, you jerk!
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??????? Who? Me? How?
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 06, 2003, 06:02:58 AM
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This is ONLY for people who have seen the movie. If you read, and there are posts after this saying 'NOOOOOOOOO!' or any of your next posts directed toward me are filled with anger or rage, then you are a dick.
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 06, 2003, 10:16:39 AM
The first movie was great in the sense that Grey Ninja said it was. . . the sense of style, that sort of thing. It was also fun to watch, and had pretty good dialogue. The second movie was slightly less satisfying in that aspect. . . there were some additions I liked, like that Keymaker guy and the aspects of the plot that they added, but scenes like the kissing situation, the whole underground rave, and Neo and Trinity's relationship often seemed unnecessary and pressured. Also, I think part of the reason that it seemed less stylish is because a great deal of it took place in Zion. . . this made the setting somewhat less fantastic. . . the second movie was basically trying to tie the first and third together, I imagine.
The fight scenes in the second movie were incredible, though. I laughed aloud several times in surprise and appreciation during some of the scenes. . . the first was good this way, but the second was much cooler (though also much less realistic, but who cares?). If the third can pull those two positive parts of the two movies and get the better of both its predecessors, it could be very good.
Post by: thesos21 on November 06, 2003, 10:46:42 AM
Thanks
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 06, 2003, 10:54:41 AM
First off, thesos, you might want to put some spoiler tags up, or at least identify your post as containing spoilers.
Secondly, Neo is the 6th, not the 7th- there were 5 before him, not 6. Anyway, without having seen Revolutions yet, I'll try to describe why as best I can- the first 5 anomalies all chose not to destroy the mainframe and to instead let Zion be destroyed and rebuilt. Neo chose instead to save Zion- if he succeeds, Zion will be saved and the machines finally defeated. If he fails, not only is Zion destroyed, but so is the resistance to the machines.
Post by: thesos21 on November 06, 2003, 11:08:48 AM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on November 06, 2003, 11:29:17 AM
I just found it funny that you have actually spent the time looking into such a theological film, Mr. "I don't care for religion."
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 06, 2003, 11:38:58 AM
Hence, I really enjoy the story of the Matrix, and am interested by it's religious references, just as long as it's not preaching. I generally just ignore the double meaning of all the religious things anyway, though.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 06, 2003, 11:42:51 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on November 06, 2003, 01:18:45 PM
any reference to religion in the matrix shouldnt be taken too seriously imo. it does draw parallells....like neo coming back from the dead to save humanity. its like christianity meets secular humanism. if you are religious, you may consider it sacreligious. i know a few people who do. just dont think too deeply about it, because there is not that much there....but anyways the 2nd movie was a huge let down, which will probably lead to me loving the 3rd because i basically have no expectations for the final movie.
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 06, 2003, 02:40:33 PM
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I was confused by that whole darn ending. I mean, is that city a new one, rebuilt from the machine city, from the real world or is it the 'new' Matrix? And that HUGE spike head machine - is that the Architect? I think I get it, in that the Oracle, Achitect, Sereph and that little girl were not part of the real world or the Martix, so that is why they survived. When Smith takes over the Oracle, did that mean that she was the one that killed him in the end? Or when Smith took over Neo then NEO was the one wo defeated Smith in the same manner he did in the first movie?
The city at the end was The Matrix. Restored to it's former glory. It was basically to show that the people who Agent Smith had taken over survived, and were themselves again. The reason that Neo and Smith were both KILLED at the end of the movie is because it is exactly as the Oracle said. Smith was the negative Neo, Neo's polar opposite. When they existed in the same space, they cancelled eachother out. Much like a matter/anti-matter reaction.
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I think the best part of the movie was when Trinity drives up through the clouds, and they see the real, sunlit sky for the first time. It just gave me goosebumps from that good feeling.
Agreed. That part totally rocked. I remember clearly thinking something when that happened, but I don't remember what it was now. But that part was magnificent.
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Did Neo really die? I mean, the deal with the 'Architect' was to destroy their common enemy - Smith - who could now take over beings from the real world as well (Bane). If he failed to defeat Smith, then the machines could kill him. So did he really die? All we see is this huge flash of light in Neo's 'fire-vision'.
Yes, Neo died. It was the only thing that made sense to happen. If ever in some sequel they bring him back to life, I will be VERY upset for reasons I already mentioned.
Regarding religion in The Matrix... It was done in a Japanese style, treating religion as a mythos rather than an ethos. As a result, it becomes a STORY rather than a BELIEF. Therein lies the difference.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on November 06, 2003, 02:46:06 PM
In the first movie, Morpheus says to Neo that the Matrix was created with a man born inside, who could do and change anything. When he died, Oracle prophsized his return. So Neo is basically the 'Second Coming'.
The difference with Neo and the previous 'Ones' is that while they all had the basic human capability of choice (the two doors in the Architect's place), Neo would have been the first 'One' to choose going back to the MAtrix to try and save it instead of going back to the Source. His decision was based on his love for Trinity. The other 'Ones' knew what they had to do, and did it, and i reckon, with no questions asked.
Probably the underlaying message is that being human automatically gives you choice. You know what you have to do - you know what your purpose is - and every choice you make in life will ultimately lead to the completion of that purpose.
For example, if you want to be a 3D Animator when you grow up, every choice you make, the subjects you do at school/Uni/College will help you to achieve that goal.
Some things, however, do not go to plan and you try something else in order to achieve your goal.
Neo's basic understanding of his purpose was that he would end the war. HE went to the Architect, and found out that in order to end the war, he would have to end Zion, and create it again (be apart of the new MAtrix). BEcause that was not what he thought it would be, he went back into the Matrix to try again.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on November 06, 2003, 02:51:12 PM
One other thing I wanna ask is that
the Architect and Oracle discuss freeing the others from the MAtrix. The Architect says that he keeps his promises - does that mean everyone will be freed, and the machines will have to find another energy source?
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 06, 2003, 02:59:12 PM
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Ahhhh, thanks Ninja, I get that Smith-Neo bit now.
One other thing I wanna ask is that
the Architect and Oracle discuss freeing the others from the MAtrix. The Architect says that he keeps his promises - does that mean everyone will be freed, and the machines will have to find another energy source?
My interpretation of that is a line from the second movie. "There are levels of survival that we are prepared to accept." The machines kept their word, and spared Zion. The Architect will keep his word and free any people who do not wish to remain in the Matrix. Of course, there will always be people who wish to remain there, so it's not like the machines will be completely depleted of power. (Besides, I always wondered why they didn't use nuclear reactors. It would be ever so much more efficient than using people, but I guess that wouldn't make for a good story.)
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 06, 2003, 04:07:11 PM
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Actually, I don't think The Matrix was concentrating specifically on one religion, but rather on religion as a whole. The belief of a higher being in general, if you will...And it's that which caught my eye in the first place...
If anything I'd see it as a message AGAINST organized religion (although I know that's not true)- the whole idea of a small group of beings keeping you under control for their own survival. Like I said, I know that's not what the Wachowski's meant, but you could interpret it as such.
Grey: Nuclear reactors are very unstable and can have very horrorific accidents that result in radioactive contamination. Besides, a source of power that simultaneously energizes the robots AND enslaves the human is a good one- remember, the robots wanted complete freedom from humans, not just an alternate power source. That, and it would've been a boring story otherwise.
Post by: ThePerm on November 06, 2003, 04:11:04 PM
ok heres what i gathered happened. Did you wonder if neo died. Well he did. All things must come to an end....eventually. When smith copies himself he moves the controlling copy onto the next host. Inside smith was
the oracle and the little girl and serif...also neo would exist in soem realm of his mind. Neo was plugged into the machine
and was under the watch of the Face...not necassarilly the architect...the matrix as a whole. When smith got downloaded to neos brain harddrive that put smith in the real world and at a disadvantage. The matrix seperates all the personalities inside neo and deletes the master smith program. It is unclear whether neo dies or not......however it is unimportant.
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 06, 2003, 04:13:12 PM
Post by: thesos21 on November 06, 2003, 04:20:08 PM
So the Matrix still exists after the war. I thought one of the main things they were fighting for in all the movies was to free the minds of everyone from the Matrix. Wasn't a main point that humans are all slaves to the machines? I know the machines came together with the humans with the common purpose of defeating Smith, but the machines still hold humans as slaves. Could someone explain how this all ends up good for everyone?
Thanks
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 06, 2003, 04:36:59 PM
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So the Matrix still exists after the war. I thought one of the main things they were fighting for in all the movies was to free the minds of everyone from the Matrix. Wasn't a main point that humans are all slaves to the machines? I know the machines came together with the humans with the common purpose of defeating Smith, but the machines still hold humans as slaves. Could someone explain how this all ends up good for everyone?
Thanks
You can use spoiler tags by using the "[" square brackets, and typing spoiler within them, and closing them as appropriate.
The humans who wish to leave the matrix are free to do so. To those who don't wish to live in the real world, they are also free to do so. The humans win in the sense that they have the freedom to do as they wish.
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Grey: Nuclear reactors are very unstable and can have very horrorific accidents that result in radioactive contamination. Besides, a source of power that simultaneously energizes the robots AND enslaves the human is a good one- remember, the robots wanted complete freedom from humans, not just an alternate power source. That, and it would've been a boring story otherwise.
Yes, you hit it right on the nail with that last one. But machines are not sadistic overlorlds. Any intelligent AI will take in the variables, and analyze the best course of action by judging the cost to benefit ratio. Nuclear power is cheap, and the effects of a catastrophic disaster would have little effect on a world already ravaged by nuclear war. Radioactive contamination does NOTHING to a computer.
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 06, 2003, 04:40:16 PM
Post by: thesos21 on November 06, 2003, 04:45:47 PM
So I assume the real world is still dark and cloudy. Why would anyone want to live there? Will the machines and humans somehow make the real world better again?
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 06, 2003, 04:52:38 PM
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Huh, I figured the radioactivity would have done something, at least to the delicate circuitry. And while it's true that machines aren't sadistic overlords, they don't want the humans to retain their former status of dominance over them.
A dead human is a harmless human.
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So I assume the real world is still dark and cloudy. Why would anyone want to live there? Will the machines and humans somehow make the real world better again?
Realistically speaking, I would think that the surface of the earth would be much like Venus by that point. Raining pure hydrosulphuric acid, and temperatures that would melt steel in a couple of seconds.
But speaking in terms of the movie, I say, yeah sure why not?
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 06, 2003, 04:57:20 PM
Also, I'd imagine Earth being more like a nuclear winter- from the look of the sky, I don't think it would act as a greenhouse, but rather as a shield, blocking out heat altogether. I could be wrong, though.
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 06, 2003, 05:00:37 PM
I suppose you are right about the sky though. I have had a lot to drink, so bear with me. I guess that the earth would be more like Titan.
Post by: thesos21 on November 06, 2003, 05:02:24 PM
So would humans go back to living there? If not, where do all the free humans live. It seems the Matrix would be the better place even if you're not free.
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 06, 2003, 05:04:10 PM
But some people seem to like realism or some crap like that. Personally, I would pick the Matrix any day of the week, but whatever.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 06, 2003, 05:06:19 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 06, 2003, 05:14:54 PM
I meant ythat you said they weren't sadistic overlords. Sorry. Titan? As in with gas lakes?
I suppose Titan would be the best comparison, though.
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 06, 2003, 05:21:06 PM
Post by: nolimit19 on November 06, 2003, 05:21:47 PM
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SPOILERS!!
If anything I'd see it as a message AGAINST organized religion (although I know that's not true)- the whole idea of a small group of beings keeping you under control for their own survival. Like I said, I know that's not what the Wachowski's meant, but you could interpret it as such.
well i dont mean to burst your bubble but i think the people that belong to a religion are in the majority. any effort against religion is a group of small people going against the majority. there are over 4.6 billion christians, islamic, jews, hindu, and buddist alone....out of 6 billion, and thats not including a lot of the smaller religions.
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 06, 2003, 05:37:22 PM
Post by: nolimit19 on November 06, 2003, 05:39:41 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 06, 2003, 05:43:46 PM
Seriously, though, Ninja explained it pretty well, although the main point I was trying to make was about organized religion itself rather than God, although that's very fitting as well. Organized religion is ruled by a select few who tell all its followers how to live, what to do, how to dress, etc, etc. It's really more an allusion to Catholocism than anything else.
Also, Ninja, doesn't nuclear fusion generate infinitely more power than nuclear fission? We've already employed nuclear fission as a means of power, but not nuclear fusion yet. The sun works by nuclear fusion, and its power will last many billions of years.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 06, 2003, 05:53:13 PM
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Post by: Grey Ninja on November 06, 2003, 06:03:59 PM
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I don't see how the machines could be analogous to God...It wouldn't make much sense for Jesus(Neo) to fight God(Machines) now would it?
Come on. It's not a precise depiction of Christianity.
Mouse Clicker, Fusion power produces a lot more power than fission (but not infinitely), but from the explanation given in the first movie, I don't see how that's possible.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 06, 2003, 06:06:32 PM
I think Neo died, just as the Christ died for everyones' sins...If you look at it from a religious point-of-view the ending isn't so open afterall
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 06, 2003, 06:08:32 PM
EDIT: Mouse Clicker, I really want you to listen to "The Miracle" on the Xenosaga OST, and tell me what you think. And if you have played Xenogears or Xenosaga, PLEASE PM me your impressions of the game. I would really like to know.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 06, 2003, 06:11:48 PM
Post by: nolimit19 on November 06, 2003, 06:14:13 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 06, 2003, 06:15:29 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 06, 2003, 06:17:34 PM
Also, why are you asking me about Xenogears/Xenosaga- I don't own either, although I'd like to change that as soon as I get a little money. Is it because of its religious message? Speaking of RPG's with religious messages, Grandia II had a great one- just had to get that off my chest.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 06, 2003, 06:17:53 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 06, 2003, 06:26:21 PM
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Also, why are you asking me about Xenogears/Xenosaga- I don't own either, although I'd like to change that as soon as I get a little money. Is it because of its religious message? Speaking of RPG's with religious messages, Grandia II had a great one- just had to get that off my chest.
Xenogears had a VERY distinct religious interpretation. "The Miracle" on the Xenosaga OST is one of the finest pieces of music I know of, and obviously I am listening to it right now. I am seriously going to miss Yasunori Mitsuda in the next episode of Xenosaga, as his music is REALLY good, but I suppose it can't be helped.
But I would really recommend playing Xenogears ASAP. (I am almost done Xenosaga Episode I, and Xenogears is undeniably the better game. If you REALLY want to play it, PM me with your MSN name.)
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 06, 2003, 06:41:49 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 06, 2003, 06:49:46 PM
Nevertheless, I am on AIM right now (via Trillian, as I hate AIM more than MSN surprisingly enough). ANSWER ME!
Post by: Swordsplay on November 06, 2003, 07:23:59 PM
***WARNING!***Will contain a spoler to the Revolutions (third installment of matrix)*****
In a way, neo didnt die, he was the sixth remade program of "the one". The matrix means (i think in latin) "the womb."
The first movie, was supposed to resemble birth (where neo first finds out he has powers)
the second movie, to resemble life (where he kicks a lot of 8ss and uses a lot of his powers)
the third movie, to resemble death and rebirth (where he starts to slack, and after he dies, he is supposedly going to be remade in the future, when the architect takes over again, in which case the next Neo will be the seventh installment of the neo program. In other words, the matrix is never ending and it keeps repeating itself.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 07, 2003, 08:32:15 AM
because their going to constantly recreate him and his line of genes in the same environment will have similar results...not necassarilly the same results...but for every choice he makes there is another set of choices...it is possible that the computers(oracle) calculated every choice he could possibly make based on the environment presented(to a point..outside the matrix such a control is harder....as it is random on how the non clones will reproduce and how their children will affect neo) and how the first and second neo's made choices similarly...also there were probably other trinities and morpheus'. Also the program Smith threw things off heavily for the sixth neo. Aw reminds me of Zelda.....
Post by: thesos21 on November 07, 2003, 10:57:19 AM
Did anyone feel there was a purpose for Neo to be blinded?
Post by: Oldskool on November 07, 2003, 11:11:18 AM
UBER SPOLIERS FROM HECK BELOW:
I was actually suprised by some of the parts of the movie, like Neo being blinded but getting the "second sight", and the fact that both Trinity and Neo snuffed it. (I am damn sure Neo died)
Pay close attention to the scene near the end where the little girl created that lovely sunrise, saying she did it for Neo. Neo means new, and a sunrise indicates a new day... hmm....
Post by: Oldskool on November 07, 2003, 11:28:32 AM
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***WARNING!***Will contain a spoler to the Revolutions (third installment of matrix)*****
In a way, neo didnt die, he was the sixth remade program of "the one". The matrix means (i think in latin) "the womb."
The first movie, was supposed to resemble birth (where neo first finds out he has powers)
the second movie, to resemble life (where he kicks a lot of 8ss and uses a lot of his powers)
the third movie, to resemble death and rebirth (where he starts to slack, and after he dies, he is supposedly going to be remade in the future, when the architect takes over again, in which case the next Neo will be the seventh installment of the neo program. In other words, the matrix is never ending and it keeps repeating itself.
I disagree that there will be another Neo. The 5 Neos beforehand had chosen to let the machines destroy Zion, and then choose to rebuild it with 11 men and 9 women (the KFC man... I mean the architect gave a number close to that) and all that stuff. The 6th Neo chose the other path, and (!!!Spoilers!!!) the war ended with peace on both sides.
Some extra spoilers: Also, the architect tells the oracle that he would free all the humans from the matrix. It would be more likely that the Machine's empire-like thingy falls apart to lack of power, as they would probably not be able to reclone humans fast enough before they run out of juice.
One more thing... I was wondering what "the machines" were doing with Neo's body in the end. They put it on a moving platform, but thats all we see... anyone got any clues as to what they were doing?
Post by: thesos21 on November 07, 2003, 11:39:41 AM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on November 07, 2003, 08:49:57 PM
Because the Architect said the the role of the one was to make a new Matrix, and choose some people to come along.
HE probbaly dies from something (Morpheus: When the Matrix was first built there was a man born inside...after he died, the Orcale prophesized his return), then they find his reincarnation in the Matrix again.
Post by: DarkRockerX on November 08, 2003, 08:27:23 AM
Neo did die, like evryone has said, there is no reason for him to live, he did his job. Trinity's dead, end of story. That was the Matrix at the end of the film. The Oracle and The Creator dude are just programs. Programs which has no use, are deleted, or erased. That french bastard's name is Merovigan, for those who didn't remember. The fighting scenes were unbelievable..a great movie indeed.
One more thing, that spike headed machine is the real creator and command of the Matrix and the real world. As you can see, those octopus things obey the big machine, that creator is just ONE of that huge machine's programs. That big machine could not beat Smith, so he made a deal with Neo that he would save Zion if Neo beat Smith. Smith is a virus in the matrix, which is why he could duplicate himself. He is Neo's negative, Neo is positive, thats why both died.
If Matrix means "birth" in Latin, than there is a "new Birth" of the one every century.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on November 09, 2003, 03:19:29 AM
. Anyway, Smith and Neo were opposites, so when Smith took over Neo, they cancelled each other out. Simple Algebra (eg -1+1 = 0: Smith + Neo = Nothing).The new 'Matrix' is just the old one, but that anyone who wants to leave it (be freed and live in Zion) now has the freedom to do so. Like morpheus said in Matrix 1, there are some that are so dependant on the Matrix, and they never free a mind after a certain age, cause it had trouble letting go.
I also liked that little deja vu cat at the end of the movie, when the Matrix changes back to 'normal' - a nice touch.
EDIT: Whoops, forgot to close the spoiler tags
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 09, 2003, 04:40:40 AM
Oldskool, for that part I just think that it was a funeral barge or something, like heroes of old used to have.[\spoiler]
