Post by: nolimit19 on October 31, 2003, 02:25:48 PM
Post by: Shift Key on October 31, 2003, 02:38:07 PM
Penny and Hill were two players who had the potential to make others around them better. I am still a Magic fan, and have been since a young Shaquille O'Neal was drafted by the Magic. Despite the hard times recently (although McGrady has been one of the best in the league), hopefully Hill can string together a good part of the season, even off the bench, to take the Magic beyond the first round of the finals.
My tip for this year is San Antonio again. I haven't followed the off-season trades, but if Karl Malone (who went to the Lakers I think?) can bring back his All-Star form, the Lakers will win it. Unfortunately for the East, there is no one dominant team apart from the Nets, and they have lost the Finals the last two years.
QuoteMore like if he doesn't get thrown in jail.
if kobe leave the lakes
And there will only ever be one Michael Jordan.
Post by: nolimit19 on October 31, 2003, 02:55:07 PM
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And there will only ever be one Michael Jordan.
well said, but the media is still looking for someone that can dominate. and shaq (big men in general) doesnt really excite people. mostly because he has a 5 foot shot range and VERY generous calls from the refs. i think lebron could do it....that is be that next legit dominate player. obviously a lot can happen, and most would say that im not exactly going out on a limb by saying that, but i have never seen someone that has impressed me like that. consider that he came strait from high school. also consider other players first years when they came strait from high school....amare stoudomire has was the first rookie to come strait from high shcool and succeed his first year. and lebron looks better then he did a year ago. still a long season to go obviously, but VERY impressive so far. i just wish he didnt get so much hype from the media. its so rediculous. we see many over rated players in the nba because of all this type of stuff.
Post by: Pale on October 31, 2003, 06:42:09 PM
Post by: kennyb27 on November 01, 2003, 04:37:21 PM
Back to LeBron. My biggest gripe against him, like was said, is the hype. For example, when the Magic and Knicks were playing the other night and they switched to the Cavs' game, the announcer (I forget who it was) said that he was worried they would have to watch another 5 minutes of the Magic, Knicks game. Now, the Magic game was about to go into overtime and was a great game to watch, but they had to change the broadcast so we could all make sure we saw Lebron step onto the court for the first time. Ridiculous.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on November 01, 2003, 05:08:17 PM
As for Lebron, you know people say that there was only one pele, only one babe, blah blah blah, but honestly, times have changed and there have been many players who dominated just like they did; but what you guys are doing is a little early.
Does Lebron have talent? Do you honestly think ANYONE throws out 100 million on hype? Hype goes a while but when you are getting to the point where you are wagering what they are hoping to be a quarter to a half billion people on one person, I think its safe to have some confidence in him. He started off strong, and even if he didn't get a triple double, he was still fairly impressive.
Post by: nolimit19 on November 01, 2003, 06:06:52 PM
Post by: rpglover on November 01, 2003, 06:27:53 PM
the best player in the nba is Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Post by: nolimit19 on November 01, 2003, 06:36:44 PM
Post by: cheers69 on November 01, 2003, 08:04:10 PM
Post by: Doerr on November 01, 2003, 09:31:37 PM
Post by: kennyb27 on November 02, 2003, 05:14:24 AM
I'll reserve judgement on "King James's" greatness until playoffs.
Post by: nolimit19 on November 02, 2003, 06:33:44 AM
Post by: Shift Key on November 02, 2003, 12:56:35 PM
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Do you honestly think ANYONE throws out 100 million on hype?
Quite frankly yes. The companies will buy into the hype to sell their product, the public sees the product and said sponsorship, increases curiosity and sales of product, and the snowball effect starts. It happened with MJ (think where McDonalds and Nike would be if it weren't for the star power of MJ - certainly not retaining huge popularity today).
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a good game or the start of a bright career?
It's the hype thing again.
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Carter has impressed me this year.
Wow! So your a fan of injured benchwarmers too? I thought I was the only one
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kobe is the best player in the nba!!
Best INDIVIDUAL player perhaps. But he's just not the great clutch player he was hyped to be. They were calling him the next MJ, but MJ was great while making everyone around him great too. Whoever can do that on a regular basis will be the next dynasty. I can't see any of the current teams (aside from Duncan) being able to do that.
And what do you Yanks know/think about Shane Heal? (the Aussie backup guard for the Spurs) I think he's all mouth personally, but he has a freaky outside shot which he can hit from practically anywhere.
Post by: nolimit19 on November 02, 2003, 04:40:57 PM
Post by: cheers69 on November 02, 2003, 11:18:24 PM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on November 03, 2003, 01:16:33 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on November 03, 2003, 03:23:46 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 03, 2003, 03:31:59 AM
Post by: Pale on November 03, 2003, 07:49:59 AM
(sorry I'm too lazy to look the spelling up...)
Post by: manunited4eva22 on November 03, 2003, 12:23:43 PM
I will take it to a sport I am more familiar, soccer.
David Beckham is probablly the best known soccer player on the face of the planet, but he is far from the best player in the world. Even without him Manchester has been a powerhouse, and honestly they haven't added anyone new, except letting Tim Howard play in keeper more. Beckham still dwarfs merchandising of most other players, everyone is probablly more true.
The point is, your saying 'he's not that good,' and your working from 2 or 3 games. Give the guy some time before you say 'He's not worth it, blah blah'
Post by: nolimit19 on November 03, 2003, 05:03:09 PM
Post by: cheers69 on November 03, 2003, 08:56:10 PM
Post by: Shift Key on November 04, 2003, 01:24:41 AM
*points cheers to the topic title*
And I don't see ManU and Chelsea playing in the NBA at the moment!
Check the topic before you flame away.
Post by: The Blue Baron on November 04, 2003, 12:39:48 PM
and LeBron James!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Omen on November 04, 2003, 04:14:23 PM
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As for Lebron, you know people say that there was only one pele, only one babe, blah blah blah, but honestly, times have changed and there have been many players who dominated just like they did; but what you guys are doing is a little early
Nobody has come close to Babe Ruth, in all areas, unless they played a lot more games.
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Unfortunately for the East, there is no one dominant team apart from the Nets, and they have lost the Finals the last two years.
Nets dominant? Please, they have been the best in the east, but they havent dominated anybody.
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I can't stand kobe and the lakers....they are a plague on the league just as the yankees are in mlb. Its disgusting when teams can buy a championship...it cheapens everything else and I hope to god they are like the yankees and their losses continue...
Ummm... you do know theres a salary cap in the NBA, right? Malone and Payton took significant pay cuts to go to the Lakers. How is it the Lakers fault? I'm not going into the Yankees again, except to say that their core is from their farm system, and how can you fault Steinbrenner spending whatever it takes to win, when any team can do the same thing? There is NO cap in baseball. I personally love having dynastys because it gives you something or someone to despise.
About Lebron, i'm tired of hearing about him, but he looks to be the real deal. But really, who cares? He didnt split the atom, did he? Hes a B-ball player for God sake! Go Sixers!
Post by: nolimit19 on November 04, 2003, 05:02:31 PM
Post by: Shift Key on November 04, 2003, 09:47:28 PM
QuoteNo, I'd just say the standard has risen over the years. Not many players were professional athletes back twenty years ago, because they couldn't afford to only play sport.
times have changed and there have been many players who dominated just like they did
QuoteI meant no-one else in the East has a chance, and look how the Nets have fared in the Finals. I haven't followed the NBA in a while (except for hearing about LeBron on the news a few times) so excuse my inaccuracy. Hopefully Mouring can stay healthy and be of benefit to the team.
Nets dominant? Please, they have been the best in the east, but they havent dominated anybody.
QuoteNo, they can't. That's breaking the cap, which they should be penalised for. I can't remember an NBA team being fined for that, but it should happen in that case.
but certain teams can afford to go over the cap
Post by: The Omen on November 05, 2003, 05:23:50 AM
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No, they can't. That's breaking the cap, which they should be penalised for. I can't remember an NBA team being fined for that, but it should happen in that case
Thats right. I think Nolimit is thinking of the ability to sign your own players for more than anybody else can. Which again, any team can do. As for big market teams, Nolimit19, what about the Mets? Phillies? Cubs and White Sox? Dodgers? Astros and Rangers? Theres five of your biggest markets right there. How are they doing? I'll tell you-my Phillies have 1 world series win in 120 years. 1!!!! You know how the Chicago teams are doing. The Dodgers spend a lot, as do the Mets, but they dont win. So your analogy if wrong.
Post by: cheers69 on November 05, 2003, 08:06:10 PM
lebron played bad today
Post by: getupkids on November 05, 2003, 08:22:55 PM
Post by: Shift Key on November 06, 2003, 01:25:03 AM
And even MJ had his off-days.
Post by: nolimit19 on November 06, 2003, 01:08:37 PM
Post by: Doerr on November 08, 2003, 10:49:33 AM
Either way I hope Vince has a good game and Carmello has a good game because they are both on my fantasy team.
