Post by: nemo_83 on October 31, 2003, 10:58:12 AM
I found this at xengamers.com
I think that they should make a Castlevania game since Konami has neglected the Cube once again with a major franchise. I think SK could do an original or remake Castlevania. Of course the next project could be ED2, Too Human, MGS2 and/or 3, or Kid Icarus.
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Post by: Grey Ninja on October 31, 2003, 03:44:33 PM
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If Dyack and the rest of the SK team doesn't want to make the game, then yes, it would be a waste of their talent. But when Dyack outright says that he was incredibly excited to be working on the MGS remake, then I disagree with your view. Talent is hardly wasted when the team wants to do the remake...
What he said.
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Post by: the_zombie_luke on October 31, 2003, 11:17:09 PM
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why not have konami get off their asses and develope for the cube themselves rather than have one of nintendo's greatest potentials go to waste on another remake.
Agreed. They could port Contra and Lament of Innonence at the very least.
Post by: Gup on November 01, 2003, 06:12:50 AM
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Gup tends to favor games he has played over ones he hasn't. It's just something that you have to understand about him. Personally, I think he would be more happier playing the same game repeatedly for the rest of eternity.
Umm. . . yeah. So now you're psychic. Just for the record, I've never touched a Castlevania game.
Edit: Whoops, I've rented Castlevania 64 before and I LIKED IT!
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 01, 2003, 06:45:51 AM
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Post by: mouse_clicker on November 01, 2003, 08:54:57 AM
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If Dyack and the rest of the SK team doesn't want to make the game, then yes, it would be a waste of their talent. But when Dyack outright says that he was incredibly excited to be working on the MGS remake, then I disagree with your view. Talent is hardly wasted when the team wants to do the remake...
But I'd rather see something original out of Silicon Knights- maybe wasting talent was the wrong way to put it, but if all Silicon Knights ever did was remake old Konami games, even if they put all their heart into it, they'd never be doing something of their own, which is what I want them to do. It's great their remaking Metal Gear Solid, and there's no doubt in my mind that they're going to make that game the best it can be, but I think Silicon Knights really shines when they're creating their own world and their own game, rather than basing it off of an older one, and I think Blood Omen and Eternal Darkness are excellent examples of this.
Gup: So you'd prefer one game you've never played before over another game you've never played before. Fair enough. At least there's no bias involved.
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 01, 2003, 09:42:29 AM
That, and I think that the remake of Metal Gear Solid will go down in history as one of the finest games ever made. Silicon Knights really needs that boost to their name. Sure, we all know and love them, but the casual gamer doesn't.
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 01, 2003, 09:58:39 AM
And there's other ways to build up a name than just doing remakes for another company- Eternal Darkness would have made them a name had Nintendo advertised it more (ie at all).
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Post by: Grey Ninja on November 01, 2003, 10:36:38 AM
Bona Fide masterpieces such as Valkyrie Profile, and Dragon Quest also sell very poorly in North America.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 01, 2003, 01:25:56 PM
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Post by: Grey Ninja on November 01, 2003, 03:36:44 PM
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That's not the point, Ninja- FFX probably has more cut scenes than the whole lot of them and it took me forever to get into the game, and that sold extremely well. The simple fact is, if people don't know about the game, chances are they won't buy it, either. I can't remember the last time I bought a game blindly.
That's because by this point Square has a million little fans who go out and buy every piece of crap with their name on it, and that goes double for Final Fantasy. It's not like Eternal Darkness wasn't advertised, because it WAS, and quite heavily I might add. The problem was that everyone saw it as a crappy Resident Evil clone, and there's just no way to show how untrue that is in an advertisement.
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 01, 2003, 03:38:31 PM
And saying Eternal Darkness was heavily advertised is a boldfaced lie and you know it.
I didn't see ONE commercial, much less any other type of advertisement, for the game, and I watch TV ALL the time. Don't even try to convince me that Nintendo advertised the game, because there is no way in hell even you believe that. Any sort of commercials Nintendo quickly rushed out was shown very late anyway, just like those Conker's Bad Fur Day commercials.
Post by: Cap on November 01, 2003, 03:39:09 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 01, 2003, 03:41:32 PM
EDIT: I watch TV VERY seldom, and I saw the Eternal Darkness ad at least 3 times on TV.
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 01, 2003, 03:42:21 PM
What a great day and age when the people I'm debating against prove my point.
And don't try to tell me FFVII only sold because people saw the FMV- that's another boldfaced lie right there. It's not like the same people brought the game home and hated it.
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 01, 2003, 03:43:21 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 01, 2003, 03:45:00 PM
REGARDLESS of why Eternal Darkness didn't sell, the whole idea of this thread is about Castlevania's rumored remake at the hands of Silicon Knights, which I don't like. If we can, we should probably get back to that.
Post by: nemo_83 on November 01, 2003, 05:18:41 PM
Eternal Darkness was not that hard to get into, perhaps harder than WW or Prime, but not nearly as bad as Nintendo makes it seem. I didn't expect ED to get off the ground fast, but it got moving a lot faster than say Final Fantasy. This attitude in Nintendo makes me worry that they may also not advertize FFCC or any other RPG because the games are supposed to be story driven like ED was. ED failed to sale because of lack of advertising. I would definately make part two easier to jump into, but I wouldn't simplify the experience any.
I want ED2 to be harder, deeper, and darker. I want to have to summon small armies of creatures in fights. I want to summon creatures that can summon creatures.
I want ED2, WW2, and Prime2 to all be easier to get into. Metroid wasn't any fun till you got to the planet (sounds like the same situation with Halo). WW had WAY too much instructional bordom in the beginning of the game. Whatever happened to starting the game and learning as you go rather than trying to read everything in the first hour. The beginning of WW was redundant. I already knew how to do all of that stuff. There were days of old when they put the instructions for the slow people in the instruction booklet. As for Eternal Darkness, the first parts may have been integral for the push off of the story, but they were boring untill the game reached the Middle Ages. I wish Nintendo would invest more time making more sincerely difficult games than making so many scavenger hunts.
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I want ED2 to be harder, deeper, and darker. I want to have to summon small armies of creatures in fights. I want to summon creatures that can summon creatures.
I want to be able to dance around in a chicken suit in MGS:TS. If I cannot dance around in a chicken suit, or other things like having a chicken suit, but no dancing, or being able to make Solid Snake dance, but no chicken suit option, MGS:TS has disappointed me in my completely reasonable, totally specific, and undisputedly possible expectations, and shame on Silicon Knights for making video games without my input.
"Disappointed" is the most dangerous word in the English Language.
Post by: nemo_83 on November 01, 2003, 07:13:39 PM
Post by: Urkel on November 01, 2003, 09:33:14 PM
Regarding this whole SOTN thing... it seems pretty unlikely. Not gonna do it. Na ga da. I think Ninja hit the nail on the head as to why SK is remaking MGS. Hardly any of those reasons would apply to a SOTN remake. SOTN isn't a story driven game. It's not like the kind of games SK makes.
Too many people are starting to make the assumption that since SK remade one game, then they're going to remake a whole bunch of other games. Honestly, I think the only remake SK will ever make is Twin Snakes. I think that some of their biggest reasons for remaking the game are still secret, and if you read between the lines in several interviews, you just might see what I mean.
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 02, 2003, 07:32:33 AM
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I'm really starting to get a little tired of Nintendo being blamed as the reason for ED's less than stellar sales. It was not a very mainstream game.
What wasn't mainstream about it? It had guns, it had monsters, that's pretty mainstream, isn't it?
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It quickly got labeled as a Resident Evil knockoff.
Shouldn't that HELP sales, considering how popular Resident Evil is and how many people want games like it?
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The early impressions from the stripped down demos lead people to believe that it was a mediocre hack'n'slash.
Name me ONE casual gamer that read one of the demo impressions- only hardcore nerds like us do that.
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As for it not getting enough advertising, I think it got way more than you're average Nintendo game. I saw the ED commercial AT LEAST 10 times.
Why is your "ten times" trumps my "jack diddly squat"- I watch TV nearly all day when there's a big gap between games, like last June, and I failed to see even one mention of the game.
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Maybe the reason the ads weren't very effective was because there wasn't a good way to present ED to the public in 30 seconds. Seeing a skeleton talk to a giant lobster is completely confusing out of context, but if you were actually playing the game, it makes perfect sense.
Like I said, look at how well some RPG's sell, and there's no way to present THEM in 30 seconds. Eternal Darkness sold very poorly despite being an extremely good game, and other games of it's type have sold well in the past. What went wrong, then?
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 02, 2003, 09:24:30 AM
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What wasn't mainstream about it? It had guns, it had monsters, that's pretty mainstream, isn't it?
It had a storyline too deep, and references too subtle to appeal to the casual gamer UNLESS they sat with the game for a few hours.
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Shouldn't that HELP sales, considering how popular Resident Evil is and how many people want games like it?
Nobody likes a cheap imitation. Like when Pepsi Vanilla came out, I don't know one single person who thought that Pepsi wasn't just ripping off Coke. I know about as many who actually drink the crap.
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Name me ONE casual gamer that read one of the demo impressions- only hardcore nerds like us do that.
There were Cube Clubs in the US, and there was a bit of talk about it before the game came out. Most of it was pretty negative.
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Why is your "ten times" trumps my "jack diddly squat"- I watch TV nearly all day when there's a big gap between games, like last June, and I failed to see even one mention of the game.
The point here is that 2 out of 3 of us say that we saw it on TV all the time, and I know that I know casual people who noted the commercials. You can't just say that it was a bald faced lie just because you never happened to notice any.
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Like I said, look at how well some RPG's sell, and there's no way to present THEM in 30 seconds. Eternal Darkness sold very poorly despite being an extremely good game, and other games of it's type have sold well in the past. What went wrong, then?
The ONLY RPG that sells well in North America is Final Fantasy. It doesn't need to be advertised. It's got 50 million little fanboys running around who will buy it regardless. And I was around for the rise of the Final Fantasy era. It happened with Final Fantasy VII. They showed clips of the FMV, and magazines showed artwork. The focus was on making the game seem really massive, and to show the FMV as being actual gameplay graphics. Back then, people didn't know any better, and bought into it. In a sense, Square advertised something completely different than the product. People bought the game because of that, but it was a pretty good game in its own right, and easy to get into, so they gave good word of mouth on it, regardless of the fact that it wasn't what they expected.
Now I am sick to death of fighting over this.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 02, 2003, 11:20:53 AM
the crazies!
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 02, 2003, 12:44:07 PM
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It had a storyline too deep, and references too subtle to appeal to the casual gamer UNLESS they sat with the game for a few hours.
RPG's have incredibly deep stories- why do you continually ignore this?
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Nobody likes a cheap imitation. Like when Pepsi Vanilla came out, I don't know one single person who thought that Pepsi wasn't just ripping off Coke. I know about as many who actually drink the crap.
Yeah, and guess what- almost everybody I know now drinks Pepsi Vanilla constantly.
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There were Cube Clubs in the US, and there was a bit of talk about it before the game came out. Most of it was pretty negative.
In about 10 or so big cities in the US- how many people do you know that not only played Eternal Darkness in a Cube Club but decided not to buy it as a result? Even if this is true, it's now Silicon Knights' fault that their game didn't sell, because in their effort to keep spoilers hidden they ruined people's impressions of the game, according to you.
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The point here is that 2 out of 3 of us say that we saw it on TV all the time, and I know that I know casual people who noted the commercials. You can't just say that it was a bald faced lie just because you never happened to notice any.
And you can't say Nintendo advertised the game properly simply because you saw a few commercials.
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The ONLY RPG that sells well in North America is Final Fantasy. It doesn't need to be advertised. It's got 50 million little fanboys running around who will buy it regardless.
Then tell me, how did Final Fantasy get 50 million little fanboys that will buy it regardless?
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 02, 2003, 12:54:50 PM
You win. Can we stop fighting now?
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