Post by: Rob91883 on October 15, 2003, 04:49:05 PM
People dont understand that good, original games that are good should be supported by ca$h. That I'm too poor to buy new games anyway excuse is old too, If you can't afford to buy new released games, dont be selfish and wait! More powerful computers are coming out, and if piracy becomes as popular like it is in China, there wont be a game industry!
Well, if that happens maybe arcades will come back.....but thats beside the point.
Post by: Grey Ninja on October 15, 2003, 04:53:56 PM
It's currently recommended that you play without a memory card though, and it can be a BIG pain in the butt to actually set up. I have been thinking about buying PSO and a BBA adaptor myself for the purpose of software development, but it's going to be a royal pain to manage, and I'm just not sure it's worth the effort at this point in time. Besides, I am having fun with the GBA still anyways.
Post by: Locke Cole on October 15, 2003, 05:15:02 PM
Post by: Djunknown on October 15, 2003, 09:18:22 PM
While it seems to be the classic case of "let's tinker with technology and see what we (Internet programming/hacking community) do with it." Unfortunately while their intentions are simply out of curiousity, its just letting the door open for lamers to ask for ISO's and run games on their PC without paying for it. Nintendo's been raped by piracy for a long time, it appears there's no end in sight.
As Locke mentioned earlier, the low price of the 'Cube outweighs the price of a high-end PC to emulate it. Hopefully that will discourage "Laming" when emulators (I'm still in shock that they pulled it off) get more refined.
I see emulation as a form of preservation of past games that time forgets, not as a source of free-loading (no accidental pun intended). Hopefully it will stay in the curiousty stage where it won't bleed into Nintendo's profits.
Post by: PIAC on October 16, 2003, 12:50:15 AM
Post by: Uglydot on October 16, 2003, 01:32:52 AM
Post by: honda_insightful on October 16, 2003, 04:22:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Rob91883
More powerful computers are coming out, and if piracy becomes as popular like it is in China, there wont be a game industry!
I think you're over-reacting. Do you remember the old Commodore=64?
Probably not.
Well anyway, it was the most pirated system ever made. As soon as a game was released, it was cracked and copied. And yet, the Commodore=64 lasted 10 years (1982-92), and became the world's most popular computer ever (30 million units according to Guiness). Piracy will not kill the GameCube. Or the Box. Or the PS2.
So just calm down. It's not the end of the world.
Post by: BlkPaladin on October 16, 2003, 08:24:58 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 16, 2003, 08:33:05 AM
The answer was, "What puts the smaller companies in jeopardy."
Those that don't think the videogame industry will be hurt by this most likely have similar views on piracy in the music industry. Sure, one person burning cds won't hurt, but millions will. Sure companies are still making money, but not nearly as much as they deserve...
Post by: thecubedcanuck on October 16, 2003, 08:33:21 AM
3 cheers for common sense.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on October 16, 2003, 08:36:57 AM
the key word here in my opinion is "DESERVE", they make more than they deserve already. I look at the music industry, and bands that for years have said "we are in it for the music, the money means nothing", then what is all the bitching about now a days?
I could care less about piracy, doesnt bothet me one single bit.
just my 2 cents
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 16, 2003, 08:48:16 AM
Those that make videogames make much less than those who make music...
Post by: eldiablo on October 16, 2003, 08:52:59 AM
Courtney Love about piracy:
http://www.cdbaby.net/articles/courtney_love.html
Post by: CaseyRyback on October 16, 2003, 10:18:37 AM
Post by: GaimeGuy on October 16, 2003, 12:05:38 PM
Post by: GaimeGuy on October 16, 2003, 12:14:20 PM
Post by: Yuji Miyamoto on October 16, 2003, 12:25:56 PM
Piracy DESTROYED the Dreamcast, it's trashing the X-Box, and the web is swamped with GBA Roms sites.
Piracy SUCKS, plain and simple. It is and will be one of the main contributing factors in the next Video Game Indstry crash.
I know the "10 year olds" think it's cool to get something for free. But in the end, piracy hurts EVERYONE involed in the gaming industry, including players.
However, I must say this. Casey has a valid point about dead systems. Once they are long dead, they are fair game. Emulation will one day help us preserve the important games of video game history. Even Nintendo has written their own emulators.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on October 16, 2003, 01:19:35 PM
This really doesnt bother me as I can then play the 100's of games I dont have time to play now.
I simply dont give a crap about the industry as a whole, same goes for the recording industry. If it means they dissapear for a while, then so be it. I have a lot of other things to do.
Post by: honda_insightful on October 16, 2003, 03:58:59 PM
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Originally posted by: Yuji Miyamoto
Piracy DESTROYED the Dreamcast.....
Back up that statement with some proof. I've always heard that Sega killed the Dreamcast (and Saturn) due to stupid business decisions. Do you have any proof that piracy was the DC killer?
I doubt it. Just paranoia and foolishness.
Anyway, I earlier said "Piracy will not kill the GameCube. Or the Box. Or the PS2." What WILL kill these systems? Simple:
- Nintendo Console #5 (GC2?)
- X-box 2
- Playstation 3
They will die because of their own obsolecence NOT piracy. Go study videogame history if you believe otherwise. The *2nd* most pirated console was the PS1, and it has sold ~110 million units (and counting). Hardly hurting from piracy, wouldn't you say?
Post by: Yuji Miyamoto on October 16, 2003, 08:34:49 PM
Also, another FACT, is that the DC was the only system to be fully cracked. It could play burned games without a mod chip. That was a serious blow. The same thing is happening to the X-Box now, and truthfully I think it will only get worse.
I know people who own an X-Box system and yet they do not own a single, legitimate game. The same thing happened with the DC, and it seriously shortened the systems life span. 10 year olds could get ISO's off of freakin' Kazaa. Your'e telling me that didn't hurt the system?!
Post by: honda_insightful on October 17, 2003, 04:17:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Yuji Miyamoto
Piracy raped the Dreamcast. It's common fact. Yes the DC was eventurally canned by Sega for other reasons. However piracy delivered a MAJOR fatal blow to a system that was at equal to, if not better than the Ps2.
You're still offering opinion. Give me some facts. Show me numbers to prove that Dreamcast was hurt in sales by piracy.
Anyway, I've got some numbers for you from November 2000:
Millions
of
Units Generation Console
---- 128-bit GameCube (not released)
3.0 128-bit Playstation 2
5.0 128-bit Dreamcast
As you can see, the Dreamcast was doing quite well... piracy was having no effect on sales. DC was killed by PS2... pure and simple. Piracy had NOTHING to do with it.
The most pirated machines in the world, Commodore=64 and PlayStation 2, are also among the most successful. "Piracy kills machines" is a myth along with unicorns. It doesn't happen.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on October 17, 2003, 05:24:02 AM
your avatar is still way to big and I would hate to see you get banned. It cant be bigger than 64x64, yours is currently 120x90
Post by: honda_insightful on October 17, 2003, 06:51:01 AM
Also, my file was only 2K in size... hardly huge.
Post by: ExtremeGcube on October 17, 2003, 09:53:13 AM
1) Developers in the past have ben leary of developing for the gamecube because third party games tend to sell less on the gamecube.
2) With piracy will come a loss of revenue due to less game sales.
3) Developers will lose even more money on a system they were worried about in the first place
Developers will make fewer and fewer games for the gamecube. This can happen to the other systems as well but nintendo is the only one having problems holding developers attention.
Secondly this is a form of piracy, because once the image files are made, they can be transferred. I wouldnt be surprised if the image files make their way onto kazaa, Im sure they are on IRC already. Once one downloads the image file they can load it. Thus circuventing the actual paying money for a game. About the only ones who can gain from this piracy is video game rental stores. People will go to rent in order to capture the image file.
That is all
Post by: Uglydot on October 17, 2003, 10:15:54 AM
You may add a custom avatar (also called a "author icon") to your profile. It should be no more than 64x64 pixels in physical size, and no more than 20KB in data size. It should not contain any offensive graphics or needless animation, and you agree to remove or change your avatar if requested by a moderator.
Hond, you agreed to this, just letting you know.
Anyhow, yeah, piracy hurts sales, you are a moron if you don't realize that. There AREN'T hard facts on losses, who is going to go around asking all the pirates if they would buy the game. No, they systems aren't going to die. Yes, they could do better if everyone had to buy the games. The end.
Post by: Yuji Miyamoto on October 17, 2003, 12:58:00 PM
Here's one last thing, since you THINK that you know the numbers so well. Why don't you compare the number of X-Box systems sold to the amount of sofware sold per system? That ratio is much lower than it is for the GameCube. Why? First, Nintendo makes better games, so people buy more, and second, because the X-Box has been totally cracked and no-one's buying games when they can easily download them just about anywhere.
Oh, and by the way, piracy raping the Dreamcast is not my opinion, it's a fact. One that every 10 year old knows and yet you seem to be blind to.
Post by: eldiablo on October 17, 2003, 01:13:14 PM
Many people buy the games they have downloaded because they like it but absolutely not all games. And sometimes you just can't afford to buy a game even though you wan't to support the game company. Best way to solve piracy is a CD-key system. It works just look at Half-Life, all Blizzard games, Alien Versus Predator 2 and so on. Nintendos solution is pretty good cos piracy is still not easy accesible and it has been piracy-free for quite a while now.
Post by: GaimeGuy on October 17, 2003, 01:23:57 PM
Post by: Yuji Miyamoto on October 17, 2003, 02:46:28 PM
Myself and about a dozen of my friends, all of whom are hardcore web fanactics, are starting a search for every GameCube piracy website, Mirc channel, Direct Connect Hub, and more searching for folks offering pirated GC software. Everyone can make a difference.
I know you pro-piracy folks wont like what I'm saying. Well, thats just tough
Post by: cheers69 on October 17, 2003, 02:55:00 PM
Post by: PIAC on October 17, 2003, 03:40:01 PM
1) this loophole ISO loading system they have set up IS NOT 100% unfallable
2) average joe gamer WONT be able todo this
i say well done to the people who actually got it to work, but in all reality it wont effect cube sales/game sales one iota, not untill you can go upto some guy and go HAY I WANT GAMEZ! its just not going to happen.
Post by: Mario on October 17, 2003, 03:47:45 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on October 17, 2003, 04:36:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Yuji Miyamoto
Here's a good solution. If you see a website that hosts or talks about NGC ISO's or other piracy related issues, report them to Nintendo.
Myself and about a dozen of my friends, all of whom are hardcore web fanactics, are starting a search for every GameCube piracy website, Mirc channel, Direct Connect Hub, and more searching for folks offering pirated GC software. Everyone can make a difference.
I know you pro-piracy folks wont like what I'm saying. Well, thats just tough
I'm with you in spirit. But just in case.... is there like an email address specially for this at Nintendo?
Post by: honda_insightful on October 17, 2003, 05:05:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Yuji Miyamoto
Honda, your'e not even worth arguing with. Seriously. Even ten year olds know piracy devestated the DC. You are pro-piracy.....
Ahhhh... you can't win the argument, so you attack the person and make false accusations. Very lame.
Post by: honda_insightful on October 18, 2003, 04:13:54 AM
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Originally posted by: Uglydot
...no more than 64x64 pixels in physical size, and no more than 20KB in data size. ...Hond, you agreed to this, just letting you know...
Sorry, I don't remember. Where is this info posted? In the sign-on agreement?
Anyway, my current avatar is only 64x59x1 kilobyte in size. Sorry for my previous idiocy.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 18, 2003, 06:19:11 AM
This kind of piracy isn't dangerous. The dangerous kind of piracy are counterfeiters. And you cannot deliver a fake that says "put into your PC, hook up GC, fire up PSO and start playing".
Post by: Yuji Miyamoto on October 18, 2003, 02:57:47 PM
Again, for the last time, here's a FACT that proves ,my point. The Dreamcast was the only system in recent history that DID NOT require a mod-chip. That was a serious blow. Then there is the FACT that 10 year olds could get DC ISO's on freakin' Kazaa!
Also, since you claim to know the numbers, why dont you post the ratio X-Box's systems sold compared to the number of game purchased for each system. After the X-Box was fully cracked, the number of games bought per system has gone WAAAAAAAYYY down. I know people who own X-Box's and yet do not own a single legitimate game. All facts here.
Post by: PIAC on October 18, 2003, 05:04:55 PM
either way we are ment to be talking about piracy on the Gamecube, not dreamcast.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 18, 2003, 10:05:04 PM
Post by: ExtremeGcube on October 19, 2003, 02:13:51 AM
I am against pirating, but I do agree with some on this site who claim that this is not going to hurt the gamecube. I have been reading a lot about how this is done and how to actually do it. It truely is difficult to use the current hacking system. One must know how to change info on their computer, as well as on the gamecube in PSO. The current hacking solution requires tricking the gamecube into thinking it is connecting to the online server when it is really connecting to a pc on the network or using a crossover cable connected directly to the gamecube. Once this is done a small program must be run on the PC to allow uploads to the GC. Then Once that is done a program called animaloader 1.1(I think) is uploaded. This allows the uploading of game image files. It really is quite an involved process, most people will probably not be able to or care enough to learn how to go through this process. If you check www.maxconsole.com you will find that many of the game crass, and many dont allow saves. I'm sure this is probably due to the infancy period of the Gamecube's Hacking, but it may prove to be difficult anyway.
Another reason why this wont catch on is because of the difficulty of burning the copies so that they can be read. So far it cant be done. Until this is possible most people will not pirate games. I have a feeling that because the gamecube has lasted this long without being hacked it has really stemmed the negative affects. In a year or two people may have the ability to burn the images and have them read on a modified gamecube, by this time it will be just about time for the next generation. When that happens it will not be as big of a problem.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on October 19, 2003, 04:46:50 AM
I mean, two YEARS after launch, someone comes out and screams
OMFG! I HAXORED INTO GAEMCOOB! PRAYSE MEE 4 AI AMM KING!
Either no one will care or so little people have Gamecubes that no one will care anyway.
But it is pretty disgusting.
Post by: Caliban on October 19, 2003, 04:57:09 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 19, 2003, 06:48:26 AM
Termin8: There are people who hack things just for the challenge. Most likely they don't do that to warez stuff, but just "because they can". Scientists rarely think of the possibilities before making an invention. Maybe those hackers just wanted to write their own games that run on the GC, who knows?
Post by: Qbric on October 19, 2003, 09:06:14 AM
KDR has a point with the RIAA. fact is that even if people couldn't copy a single album, and had to pay, sales would still be down. Piracy is a problem, but its far from the only cause of decreasing sales. The cost of a CD is exorbant; RIAA isn't releasing as many albums as years previous; CD burners have pushed a grassroots movement in production, namely, independent artists; and just becuase someone downloads a song doesn't mean they were going to buy it, and also the economy is down. These are all factors. I also think that exposure from file sharing will on average increase sales of an album. All the industry has to do is switch to DVDs and they have a good 3-5 year window b4 the broadband catches up. More likely is that the RIAA is waiting to leapfrog DVD because this will be a big year for DVD burners. They will not only save money by hanging on to an old (and outdated) medium, but they can invest in new DRM to deter the swarm.
Concerning DC's death: Hype killed DC, not piracy. Broadband was not nearly as prevalent 4 years ago as it is today. A high speed cable connection cost about a $C/month, and distribution was limited. And again, not every pirate is a lost sale, but yes, it doesn't help one bit.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on October 19, 2003, 10:56:43 AM
I agree, pirating does and always will hurt a company. Look on the front page of this site, and look a few months back, nintendo lost 1 billion off of piracy. If you can honestly say that doesn't hurt, let me see your tax report, I have 50,000 dollars of unexplained taxes to add.
On the other hand, this ain't going to do much. People will start figuring it out eventually, but its going to take a cd or hard drive loaded onto the gamecube to really make a big difference. Oh well, as for the sight that it linked you to, they seem more concerned with pirating games than the actual research of the console.
Awhile back I stumbled onto Andrew "Bunny" Huang, a MIT student who had documented hacking xbox, and honestly, he was there to figure out how it works, not get free games. Guys like that are the ones you should like, not these guys.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on October 19, 2003, 11:52:53 AM
Post by: ExtremeGcube on October 19, 2003, 12:41:41 PM
Post by: oohhboy on October 19, 2003, 02:46:32 PM
But then that is what demos are for right?
Post by: manunited4eva22 on October 19, 2003, 04:00:15 PM
Post by: honda_insightful on October 19, 2003, 04:22:55 PM
Same applies to videogames. 99% of the games I've downloaded (NES & Super NES) are trash that I would not buy. Nintendo's claim of $1 billion lost is a wildly inflated figure.
There's a difference between free downloading and buying. I'm the kind of person who, even if piracy did not exist, I would not buy. I'm more careful with my money than that. So are most persons.
Post by: honda_insightful on October 19, 2003, 04:30:40 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Yuji: But you still haven't proven that piracy was the most important blow [to the Dreamcast].
Yes, that was my point exactly. Most people say that the Dreamcast died because of poor timing/competition from the PS2. *That* was the most imporant factor.
And as I said before, previous systems like Commodore=64 and PS1 and PS2 have been heavily pirated, but they were not killed. On the contrary, they were wildly sucessful: #1 computer of all time, #1 console of all time, and #1 console of the 128-bit generation (respectively). This seems to suggest that piracy HELPS a machine to succeed, rather than hurt it.
So I return to earlier position: This little bit of piracy will have virtually no impact on the Cube. It's not going to die.
Post by: GaimeGuy on October 19, 2003, 06:21:53 PM
Also, it wasn't Ps2 hype that really killed the DC, either. More than piracy, more than Ps2 hype: the thing that killed the DC was Sega's past console failures. They had taken such huge financial blows from the multiple past failures (ex: Sega Saturn, Sega CD, Game gear), that they simply didn't have the money to continue to support the DC financially.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 19, 2003, 09:43:51 PM
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Originally posted by: ExtremeGcube
I feel that the cost of a BMW is to high, and I wouldnt go out and buy one anyway so i might as well steal it. Its no loss of revenue for BMW because I wouldnt have bought one anyway. The same argument pertains to games as well.
That is the propaganda sold by the RIAA. Downloading games is not like stealing a car, but building your own one with a copy of the blueprints. When you steal something there's a loss caused by the removal of the stolen object, which needs to be replaced. You can't tell me the RIAA has to make a new CD each time somebody downloads a song.
Post by: ExtremeGcube on October 19, 2003, 10:05:23 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
That is the propaganda sold by the RIAA. Downloading games is not like stealing a car, but building your own one with a copy of the blueprints. When you steal something there's a loss caused by the removal of the stolen object, which needs to be replaced. You can't tell me the RIAA has to make a new CD each time somebody downloads a song.
No but thats not really the issue, if you use the song, or software for that matter without giving money to those who created it is stealing. Yes, downloading music doesnt take away someone elses abilty to use the song but it does take away money that would go back into the industry(again whethere or not the prices are high is not an issue because that is the standard of the industry).
And it is perfectly normal for the RIAA to convert a single song download into a loss of money because in the past it would have been more difficult to get that one song without buyng the cd or a single. Therefore it is a loss of money, you dont have to pay for a song that you listen to. It ties into my last post of single songs selling whole cds. If you wouldnt buy the song then you didnt like it to listen to it. I think that apples imusic is a great alternative to buying cds. It works out to be the same price at $1.00 a song and you can do anything with the music once you download it.
Post by: oohhboy on October 19, 2003, 10:15:54 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 20, 2003, 05:14:05 AM
iTunes already had a big impact on P2P downloads, simply because of the one-song-per-album problem and the prices per CD. Had the RIAA reacted sooner and turned Napster into a pay-per-song system, they'd have a lot less piracy to deal with today.
Post by: ExtremeGcube on October 20, 2003, 06:45:36 AM
Post by: honda_insightful on October 20, 2003, 04:14:04 PM
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Originally posted by: ExtremeGcube
Yes, downloading music doesnt take away someone elses abilty to use the song but it does take away money that would go back into the industry
That statement is only true *if*you buy the songs. Most of the songs on my hard drive are crap (think Britney Spears & other one-hit wonders) who I would not pay a single dime to own. So the Music Industry loses nothing on those songs, because I will not buy them. I refuse to pay for trash.
Post by: cheers69 on October 20, 2003, 04:30:20 PM
Post by: ExtremeGcube on October 21, 2003, 02:45:01 AM
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That statement is only true *if*you buy the songs. Most of the songs on my hard drive are crap (think Britney Spears & other one-hit wonders) who I would not pay a single dime to own. So the Music Industry loses nothing on those songs, because I will not buy them. I refuse to pay for trash.
Then why have them on your computer at all? If it weren't for piracy you wouldnt have those songs on your computer unless you had bought them. There are othres that do want those songs and download them, they may have bought the CD and they didnt. Even the money issue aside it is unethical, because you are using something without permission and without giving credit to where it should go, credit being money.
This will make some upste, but I applaud the music industries attempt at curbing music piracy and for that matter any industries attempt at curbing piracy. Even thought their attempts have been ill forged, people just act like the music industry is doing something horrendous for making people actually pay for music that they listen to. OH NO!! How dare they.
OK a conterfitter makes many copies and sells them. Big problem. There are still people that do not buy from counterfitters, they still make their own copies. After all Im sure that anyone who wen through the trouble of modding a system in order to copy games will make their own. Either way money is not given to the developers of those games. I dont undestand how one can differentiate between the two because they are both parts of a widespread problem that do damage.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 21, 2003, 03:50:48 AM
Erm... A standard internet pirate gets the games for free and might share it with his friends.
A counterfeiter will make those copies to make money. Some sell them below price because it's obvious those are fake, however many will attempt to make the perfect copy and sell them for full price, making the customers think they bought an original. Have you ever looked at all the security mechanisms Microsoft puts on its products? Holographic labels, cerificates, etc? Those are there to prevent counterfeiting, not warezing.
Also, the legal difference is Copyright Infringement or Copyright Infringement and Fraud. That's quite a few years.
And remember: Never buy a GBA game off eBay, it's very likely counterfeit.
Post by: honda_insightful on October 21, 2003, 05:15:57 PM
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Originally posted by: ExtremeGcubeQuote
That statement is only true *if*you buy the songs. Most of the songs on my hard drive are crap (think Britney Spears & other one-hit wonders) who I would not pay a single dime to own. So the Music Industry loses nothing on those songs...
Then why have them on your computer at all?
I have my own private radio station. But would I buy the songs? Absolutely not. I'd rather erase every last song, and just tune in the FM radio. I will not hand over money for casual listening.
Now "the Eagles' Greatest Hits" that's a different story. I'll buy the Eagles. I won't buy Britney.
Post by: Kyosho on October 21, 2003, 05:56:40 PM
as far as the RIAA is concerned.. i think where artists really make up their money is in their live performances. I've personally only bought 1 CD the last year and it was cuz i saw that band performed live and they signed my CD. If they want to encourage ppl to buy their CDs.. they should have more concerts and signings going on instead of basing their income on CDs alone.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 21, 2003, 09:58:18 PM
Post by: eldiablo on October 22, 2003, 07:36:56 AM
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Originally posted by: GaimeGuy
CD-keys? There's key generators all over the damn place. Some "solution" that is.
CD-keys is one of the best solutions, find a cd-key generator that generate CD-keys that work on Battle.net or makes you play Half-Life online, Dark Age of Camelot, NeoCron etc. Only downside is that you need to be able to connect to the internet or else you can just take your friends or generate a cd-key, it's not that hard however, I'm sure if you offer bonuses/online multi-player to the people that connect to the internet and verify their cd-keys.
Edit: I notice how many people say that credit is not given to creators of songs etc, but thats not piracys fault, in the music-buisness the labels are the real pirates. I refer to this link yet again http://www.cdbaby.net/articles/courtney_love.html if you read it I'm sure you'll think twice before standing on the CD-labels side, cos they dont care about the artists.
Post by: AERO on October 22, 2003, 11:43:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Yuji Miyamoto
Here's one last thing, since you THINK that you know the numbers so well. Why don't you compare the number of X-Box systems sold to the amount of sofware sold per system? That ratio is much lower than it is for the GameCube. Why? First, Nintendo makes better games, so people buy more, and second, because the X-Box has been totally cracked and no-one's buying games when they can easily download them just about anywhere.
Just want to clear up the misconception and clear up that whole attach ratio thing being lower. Thats BS.
BTW, by "toatally cracked" are you referring to the one method that doesn't reqiure a mod chip where they can hack in through an agent under fire game save? The one they havent really found out how to make anything you might expect to be working, like and xbox game for example, to run?
BTW, just want to mention that while you may know a few friends who don't own any games on and pirate them, that really isn't a good way to think an accurate representation of everyone else. Also next the sales numbers come in that proof that no games are selling, send them my way.
