Community Forums => General Chat => Topic started by: DarkRockerX on October 10, 2003, 10:56:56 AM
Title: Band Talk 101
Post by: DarkRockerX on October 10, 2003, 10:56:56 AM
The first topic I'd like to get across is about bands which have changed for the better. What do you guys think of Limp Bizkit? I think their new change is really good. I like their new rock feel to their music. I think they've changed for the better. Fred Durst is still sort of a stuck up person, but you start to see what his feelings are actually like on Results May Vary. They've definately matured.
Another thing is...what the hell happened to grunge rock? Grunge rock is so rare to find now, its frikkin amazing.
Just in case you guys didn't know, I'm the old GCNMasterX. I decided to change my name because I got a new email address.
Title: RE: Band Talk 101
Post by: Ian Sane on October 10, 2003, 11:26:05 AM
I think Limp Bizkit has gotten better but they're still far from what I would consider a decent band. That's more of personal opinion then a serious critique of their talent though. I find that most current rock music just doesn't click with me. Most current songs come across as generic noise carefully marketed to make teenagers think they're cool if they listen to it. There's also way too much overproduction and as a result nothing sounds like a real instrument. It's kind of depressing because I'm only 21 and already I'm not "with it". I'm like Grandpa Simpson.
As for grunge I think the reason it's not so common anymore is the same reason that nobody makes music like they did in 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s. Times change, the audience changes, and certain types of music doesn't sell anymore. I'm perfectly cool with it since I don't want a bunch of wannabe acts pissing on the legacy of bands like Nirvana and Soundgarden anyway. Everything has it's time and place and once the originals take their bow that style fades out. Otherwise you get a situation like in the 80s when everyone was still trying to be Led Zeppelin.
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: manunited4eva22 on October 10, 2003, 12:29:17 PM
Blah, I am an older music fan.
I tend to listen to music that has its own sound, not just a toyed with sound. I think music as a whole has gone down since the massive record companies have taken over. They spend so much time trying to find out what we like that they forget that the best bands in history did so on their own. Just put their talent out there and look what happens.
Blah, I just got electricuted can't really talk, I will be back.
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: nolimit19 on October 10, 2003, 05:37:31 PM
reject the main stream. well i dont like most main stream stuff. jack johnson owns. dashboard unpugged, something corperate, yellow card, unwritten law, and mozart all own. lol i kind of have a weird taste.
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 10, 2003, 05:49:12 PM
I don't think mainstream music has gotten better at all...If fact, it's gotten worse...
The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Kansas, Joe Jackson, Styx, REO Speedwagon, etc...Now that's the good stuff...
*leaves to pull out his dad's old LP's*
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 10, 2003, 07:50:29 PM
I like many bands. . . yeah. I don't feel like making a list. I've done that here already.
Title: RE: Band Talk 101
Post by: Ian Sane on October 10, 2003, 10:30:41 PM
"The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Kansas, Joe Jackson, Styx, REO Speedwagon, etc...Now that's the good stuff..."
Styx? Oh man. The only band I find more irritating is Supertramp.
Speaking of old LPs I've noticed an interesting thing while searching through my parents records. All of the best stuff (Beatles, Doors, Led Zeppelin, Elton John, Neal Young) is my Dad's while all the REALLY crappy stuff (disco, Jodie Mitchell) is my Mom's. Oddly enough after having a whomp ass record collection my Dad's CD collection is nothing but classical music while my Mom's tastes have improved beyond belief and she basically listens to the same stuff I do.
Title: RE: Band Talk 101
Post by: PIAC on October 10, 2003, 11:49:27 PM
joe jackson is awsome. limp bizkit on the other hand blech, i used to like them 3 dollar bill yall got alot of play time in my cd player, as did their next releaes, the name of which escapse me, i wasn't really interested in them much anymore when chocolate starfish came out, and then i read about this 'contest' they were running to replace wes who left (and rightfully so) and that just sickened me, basically they went around america holding auditions for new guitarists, sounds harmless enough yeah? except for the clauses that you had to sign before auditioning, one of them being 'no covers' sounds harmless enough still, yet the fact was once you had played your music you no longer owned it, it became the property of limp bizkit. way to scam up 1000's of free riffs limp bizkit, that whole 'contest' turned me right off them, and now i no longer listen to them out of spite.
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 11, 2003, 04:11:01 AM
This is sort of my list from before, in no particular order: White Stripes Beck They Might Be Giants Weezer Poe Misfits Nirvana System of a Down Jethro Tull Aphex Twin Radiohead Weird Al
Also I sometimes listen to Incubus, Cake, the Hives, etc. I'm listening to Otherside by the Red Hot Chili Peppers now. . . but I also listen to 70s and 80s music, too. I have a broad range of likable music.
Title: RE: Band Talk 101
Post by: PIAC on October 11, 2003, 04:16:34 AM
thats an awsome list hostile! you better have dogs in the midwinter by jethro tull, analogue bubblebath by aphex twin, and err i dunno.. ego brain by system of a down
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 11, 2003, 04:22:18 AM
Thanks! But actually, I don't have any of those songs Except maybe the Jethro Tull one, since I have a greatest hits CD. I will take a gander at those other songs, though. Thanks for ze suggestion.
Title: RE: Band Talk 101
Post by: Mario on October 11, 2003, 04:23:09 AM
People who hate songs or bands because they are popular or mainstream really piss me off. What if the song sounds good? Im not gonna stop myself from enjoying it because the record company has used savage marketing tactics to turn me into a zombie, i have nothing to do with the record company, i dont know or care what goes on there, and i dont give a crap if its "mainstream" or not. If a song sounds good to my ears, i like it. Screw not liking things because they're popular.
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: Shift Key on October 11, 2003, 04:23:33 AM
The mainstream is something I have steered clear of ever since I can remember. I find it really satisfying to come across a band that no-one's ever heard of.
As for the older music, I work in a department store that plays a mixture of 70s 80s and 90s music. While there are some bad songs, there are some awesome songs that I almost forgot. Like "Feel Like Making Love." I can't remember who sang the original, but I love the Goldfinger cover, and when that came on I couldn't help but air guitar.
As for what I'm listening to at the moment, its either Butterfly Effect (an Australian heavy rock band who are a great live) or A Perfect Circle (very moody heavy rock, just bought their latest album).
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: Shift Key on October 11, 2003, 04:25:01 AM
Aurgh, damn threads switching on me. Ah well, time to bash Mario. By mainstream, I mean the stuff they show on Video Hits. I haven't watched much MTV so I can't speak for them. The only videos I will watch are the ones on Rage occasionally. The Living End are guest-programmers tonight so I'll probably watch that!
Mainstream sucks at the moment. Too many rappers, dance tracks, and popstars. That's why I stopped listening to the radio a LOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago. If you find a nice song, that's fine by me. But to me, I can't stand 99% of them.
I remember hearing Evanescence BEFORE they were flogged in the mainstream, and then everyone proclaiming them as the next best thing. And then they disappeared off the face of mainstream music. And to me, that's what mainstream is, people in search of what is popular or cool. Like a song has a use-by date or something.
Title: RE: Band Talk 101
Post by: PIAC on October 11, 2003, 04:40:16 AM
i prefer the ned greblanzki version of feel like makin love
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: Shift Key on October 11, 2003, 04:44:10 AM
I'd probably need to hear the original again before I'd argue it. But I'm a huge fan of covers, especially when done right. Example: Uptown Girl by Weezer.
Title: RE: Band Talk 101
Post by: Mario on October 11, 2003, 04:56:13 AM
Fair enough Shifty. Im just hate it when i say "You know that *random mainstream song*, i really like it", and some jerk comes up and acts like ive been brainwashed by MTV, says the song is crap and that all modern mainstream songs sound the same, which most dont. Meh.
Title: RE: Band Talk 101
Post by: KnowsNothing on October 11, 2003, 05:04:31 AM
I listen to mostly VG music now, but I also like Phish, Bob Marely, the Beatles, only a few songs from the Eagles or Monkeys, and stuff like that. I like techno, but I wouldn't just sit there and listen to it unless it was really good, it has to backround music to something, and that's why I love F-Zero's music so much.
I'm starting to get into rock now, especially after the movie School of Rock. They must sell the soundtrack to that movie! No particular bands I can think of right now.... I'll have to poke around my Dad's old CDs and find something good. He and I share similar tastes in music.....except that he likes country and I despise country and all it stands for WITH A PASSION!!!!!
UPDATE: How could I forget jazz? I don't like jazz as much as I used to, but I still like it. I have this awesome winton marsallis CD of him playing the songs from Peanuts (the comic). Freeform jazz is cool.
I also like a few songs by Coldplay and the Gorrillaz.
Title: RE: Band Talk 101
Post by: PIAC on October 11, 2003, 05:14:00 AM
oh i LOVE ambiant techno, its so relaxing, almost like a drug, mmmmm spacey, problem is i don't really know any artists, except for Astral Projection, and they are more trancy than ambient... anyone care to tell me stuff to get?
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: DarkRockerX on October 11, 2003, 05:27:37 AM
Limp Bizkit did a cover for The Who's "Behind Blue Eyes", which is actually pretty good, in my opinion. I like a lot of the stuff which they don't show on MTV, they rarely have any good bands on there anymore.
Evanescence is still a really good band, but that song "Bring Me to Life" got onto my nerves after hearing it so much, but im ok with it now. If you want to hear an underground band like Evanescence, listen to Lacuna Coil, they're an italian rock band which has a male and female lead singer; in my opinion, they're harder than Evanescence.
Some of my favorite bands include:
- Disturbed - Nirvana - Rage Against the Machine - Evanescence - Staind - Seether - Smile Empty Soul - Linkin Park - Limp Bizkit (newer them) - Fuel - Godsmack
..Just to name a few
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: The Omen on October 11, 2003, 05:35:05 AM
Quote People who hate songs or bands because they are popular or mainstream really piss me off. What if the song sounds good? Im not gonna stop myself from enjoying it because the record company has used savage marketing tactics to turn me into a zombie, i have nothing to do with the record company, i dont know or care what goes on there, and i dont give a crap if its "mainstream" or not. If a song sounds good to my ears, i like it. Screw not liking things because they're popular.
I agree with Mario to an extent. For example, i like Korn. Now people say they're too mainstream and they sold out. But what if i've been listening to them since '93? Am i then supposed to stop because people jump on the bandwagon? Becoming mainstream just means you've been discovered, and i'll never fault a great band for that. On the other hand, you have manufactured bands, put together strictly to make money. I'm talking Puddle of Mudd, for example. A super group put together for the sole purpose of $$$. I'm not saying you cant like them, but know what theyre about. Anyway, thats my old man rant. Here is some music i enjoy.
Metallica Korn Iron Maiden Faith no more Beastie Boys David Bowie Beck Zeppelin Black Sabbath ELO The Clash Ice Cube NIN Rage against the machine Sinatra Billy Joel (pre 1980) Bee Gees PJ harvey Tool Devo Soundgarden Alice in chains System of a down Rolling Stones Styx The Doors and many more
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: DarkRockerX on October 11, 2003, 05:42:17 AM
Can't forget about Soundgarden, Metallica or Korn...they're frikkin awesome. I haven't heard too much of System of the Down or Iron Maiden, I should.
I heard Korn was producing their next album, and it's going to be their raw best they said. I can't wait.
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: Shift Key on October 11, 2003, 07:25:28 PM
I'm all for bands making mainstream (kudos to Evanescene for reviving goth rock) but the value of a mainstream hit has been devalued greatly because that part of the industry is now flooded with styles I hate, suck as rap and dance music.
For all those who haven't really listened to Weird Al yet, find Poodle Hat. It has "Angry White Boy Polka", a medley of hard rock and alternative songs, such as "Fell In Love with A Girl", "Chop Suey", "Youth of the Nation", "Hate to Say I Told You So", "Last Resort", and a few others, all done to accordian music. Very awesome in a strange kinda way.
My other music of the moment: Less than Jake Area 7 Magic Dirt Grinspoon Audioslave Weird Al Linkin Park Sum 41 Powderfinger Coldplay
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: mouse_clicker on October 11, 2003, 07:45:58 PM
In no particular order, these are my favorite bands:
Pain At the Drive-In Less Than Jake Mad Caddies The Ataries Enya The Beatles Sparta Finch Queen Reel Big Fish
I like some things from Something Corporate, Blink 182, Simon and Garfunkle (particularly Sounds of Silence), The Pixies, Mustard Plug, Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Operation Ivy, Verve Pipe, Weezer, and Metallica. Really, I like any style of music besides rap, country and pop- I have neither interest in nor respect for anyone faling under those three categories.
And although my list of favorite bands is in no particular order, Pain is at the top for a reason- to do this day I have found to band I like even a hundredth as much as Pain. In my opinion no band has a better sound, better lyrics, or more talented musicians than Pain. It quite simply isn't possible. That's all I have to say.
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: nolimit19 on October 11, 2003, 07:50:15 PM
well 1 out 0f 50 main stream songs is good....similar to how a lot of mainstream video games suck, but are very popular. all mainstream games follow a check of things just like all mainstream songs. well not all, its a generalization. you see the same thing in any branch of entertainment. movies are like this as well. you have total crapfests known as triplex and fast and the furious 2 getting more props then movies like a beautiful mind. every once in a while you have a mainstream movie win best movie, but more often then not, its one that isnt the most popular. and like it or not it is because of brainwashing. lol
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on October 11, 2003, 09:00:09 PM
Wow, Omen, you like Devo? Really? They are my husband's all time favorite band. I cannot believe the amount of Devo I have listened to in the last 14 years. Part of he and I starting to date was because I was one of the few girls who would listen to Devo with him.
They have quite a bit of good music. Some of it is really freaking weird but it has grown on me. It's too bad that people remember them mostly for Whip It.
Title: RE: Band Talk 101
Post by: PIAC on October 11, 2003, 09:35:42 PM
devo are awsome, weird is good! i really should get into more stuff by them, ive only heard 4-5 songs tops, but hey i liked every one of them
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: Shift Key on October 11, 2003, 10:49:10 PM
Whip it? I know I heard of Devo somewhere!
*hums Whip It tune*
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: The Omen on October 12, 2003, 05:40:54 AM
If anyone is to get into Devo, start with the '76 to 83 era. Especially the releases produced with Brian Eno(who also pro. the late 70's Bowie albums.). Some weird sh!t, and i love it. Good party music too.
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: mouse_clicker on October 12, 2003, 07:04:40 AM
Why are you all still posting when you should be listening to Pain. Seriously, if you like anything remotely close to punk or ska (although they're not ska, and don't like it when people call them that), you'll love Pain. Look, they're not that popular, and I'm doing my best to support the band here- at least work with me, people.
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: The Omen on October 12, 2003, 07:39:11 AM
Quote Why are you all still posting when you should be listening to Pain.
I don't like them.
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: manunited4eva22 on October 12, 2003, 11:22:57 AM
idioth, yous forgets group x!
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: >X< Kitten >X< on October 12, 2003, 11:49:48 AM
Ok I feel very stupid that I have no idea who any of these bands are. Well I know a few, but for the majority, I haven't heard of them in my life. Maybe it's because I have no life and I listen to untalented artists...
YES!! Britney Spears is releasing a new album! YES YES YES!!! (I seriously am excited for this)
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 12, 2003, 11:53:04 AM
ewww...
Now this is what I was talking about!
Title: RE: Band Talk 101
Post by: KnowsNothing on October 12, 2003, 01:36:22 PM
Oh yeah, and thanks to Infernal Monkey and Louie FM, I am now a fan of Saint Dragon
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: Plugabugz on October 12, 2003, 01:47:07 PM
I notice most people here are Rock types of people.
I'm more of an R&B Person (don't confuse this with rap): I like groups like Destiny's Child (including all their solo work), Monica, Alicia Keys and stuff liek that. Being from the UK, I like most of the R&B stuff thats come out over here: Sugababes, Mis-Teeq etc.
Title: RE: Band Talk 101
Post by: KnowsNothing on October 12, 2003, 01:53:08 PM
what was that song that was #1 in UK a while back, it was called "Whatever!" or something? They showed it on the Screensavers (tech tv) a while back, and I really liked it. anyone know where I can get it? (or what I'm talking about?)
Oh yeah, check the song in my sig
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 12, 2003, 03:26:27 PM
Whip it? As in, Whip it Good? Funny. I might have to try listening to them, Devo. . . some of these other bands sound good, too.
Title: RE: Band Talk 101
Post by: mouse_clicker on October 12, 2003, 03:49:35 PM
Quote I don't like them.
That's no excuse! You'll like them whether your like them or not!
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: PIAC on October 12, 2003, 05:50:54 PM
Quote Originally posted by: manunited4eva22 idioth, yous forgets group x!
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on October 12, 2003, 07:17:53 PM
For a minute there I thought you guys were talking about X. I was like, wow, these younguns have heard of X? Now I feel out of it again as I have no clue who Group X is/are.
Title: RE: Band Talk 101
Post by: Ocarina Blue on October 12, 2003, 08:13:56 PM
I enjoy almost all generes of music, but I especialy like live music. Bob Dylan was in my area earlier, and he put on a pretty good show. I have a dislike for overly commercial music, because I've never heard any that I like. Idiots trying to get kids to buy their album by swearing and singing/talking about drugs just make me laugh.
All around the world, there are many brilliant musicians, who don't recieve any interest from recording companies because their style of music isn't popular. To me it's important that I try to listen to as much different music as I can, and not let record companies dictate my tastes.
On another note, I found a good orchestrated version of the Goron city theme from OoT. If anyone wants it or can host it, just e-mail me at caillan@operamail.com.
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: blackfootsteps on October 13, 2003, 09:54:04 PM
my favs:
pearl jam the smashing pumpkins zwan alice in chains jeff buckley nirvana u2 guns n' roses
My dad's influence:
paul simon dire straits probably heaps more i can't think of.
Title: RE: Band Talk 101
Post by: The Dark Tower on October 15, 2003, 02:03:03 PM
All of them are pretty good.
But the eternal question is...
who is better? Stevie Ray Vaughn or Eric Clapton (Answering Jimi Hendrix doesn't count.)
Title: RE: Band Talk 101
Post by: The Blue Baron on October 15, 2003, 06:26:07 PM
50 cent got shot nine times.
actually i think clapton is better but hendrix is the master of them all.
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: Shift Key on October 15, 2003, 06:54:41 PM
Gee Blue, thanks for the useless fact. Nine times? What did they do, shoot his shadow or something?
And Hendrix forever!
Title: RE: Band Talk 101
Post by: DarkSloth on October 15, 2003, 07:23:32 PM
My Favorite favorite band is My Bloody Valentine. I love them. I've based my whole life around them... kinda. They make an awesome blend of noise and guitar. I Ebayed most of their Eps because they are non existant anywhere else. Its pretty sad everyone forgot about My Bloody Valentine.
From their first album around the mid 80's to their last album 91 they've grown amazingly. It all started with Ecstasy and Wine basically. Their songs just started to sound better. Then in Isn't Anything they totally go crazy (in a good way.) And finally, with Loveless, they blew out the whole shoegazer field. There is rumour that they are going to make another album, or rather finish Glider. Until then, i hope Stella Luna and Pia Fraus start going strong too.
Title: RE: Band Talk 101
Post by: thecubedcanuck on October 16, 2003, 08:40:45 AM
zwan
the version they do of iron maidens number of the beast is simply one of the greatest songs I have ever heard.
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 16, 2003, 12:04:41 PM
Nine times? Good for him. . . something told me not to like that guy.
Hendrix is cool, though
Title: RE:Band Talk 101
Post by: blackfootsteps on October 16, 2003, 04:44:30 PM
Quote Originally posted by: thecubedcanuck zwan
the version they do of iron maidens number of the beast is simply one of the greatest songs I have ever heard.
i agree awesome song. Too bad Zwan are gone now. I never got to see 'em seeing as they never toured Oz.