Post by: bmfrosty on October 01, 2003, 12:25:55 AM
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Post by: KDR_11k on October 02, 2003, 11:13:39 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on October 02, 2003, 02:12:17 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 02, 2003, 04:53:56 PM
I really don't think disks are the best solution. This is mainly because it would suck up battery life and the hardware wouldn't be as durable. Also I really don't care to deal with possible load times either. Besides from comments that Iwata has made I doubt they will use disks. They will probably find an alternative that gives them the pros of cartridges and of disks without the cons.
Another thing if the next Game Boy does have N64 graphics or better I can't wait to hear all the bitching due to all the N64 ports we will get. Personally though I would be perfectly happy getting to play Mario 64, Zelda 64, and Majora's Mask on the next Game Boy.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 02, 2003, 05:21:43 PM
*hugs his 2d sprite games*
Post by: Grey Ninja on October 02, 2003, 07:04:11 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 02, 2003, 07:24:50 PM
I too am a little nervous about hand helds going 3D. I love the setup Nintendo has going right now in which one system is dedicated to 2D games and the other is dedicated to 3D games. That's a big reason why I think the idea is dumb in the first place. If you are going to spend around $300 (what a lot of people are speculating the PSP will cost) on a hand held that has 3D graphics but they aren't as good as the latest console why don't you just buy the latest console? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Unfortunately though Nintendo really doesn't have any choice but to go 3D if they want to compete with the PSP and they really need to compete too. I would really hate to see Sony do what the PlayStation did to the N64 in the hand held market. Of course like I said early I wouldn't mind getting to play portable Zelda 64 and Majora's Mask either though.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 02, 2003, 10:48:42 PM
Discs eat too much power. The PSP has an estimated battery life of 3-6 hours! I don't consider it portable if I have to have an outlet nearby all the time. Heck, I bet it's cheaper to just equip a GC with battery and LCD if you don't care for battery life!
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 03, 2003, 05:37:53 AM
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Just because 3d is possible doesn't mean you have to use it. N could make a separate GPU that gets powered off if the game doesn't want to use 3D. That way you'd have a reason to still make 2d games...
The problem though is stupid main stream gamers who know that graphics are the most important thing about a game. We could end up in a similar situation that we have with consoles in that anything that isn't 3D is considered crap. This would end up forcing the developers to make 3D games.
Post by: ThePerm on October 06, 2003, 10:14:40 AM
Post by: Rich on October 07, 2003, 10:35:43 AM
The thing about disks is that they do take up a lot of power and incur load times but also, being disk based would take out the possibility of backwords compatibility, something the Game boy has always had, and one of the reasons, i believe, the game boy has been so successful.
Post by: Grey Ninja on October 07, 2003, 08:12:21 PM
A wise man once told me that the GBA was likely to be the last console EVER in which it would be worthwhile to program in assembly. When the GBA is rendered obsolete, the torch will likely be passed on to cel phones, but we are still losing a piece of our history with the GBA. Whatever happens, I want you all to remember the GBA with fondness and love in your hearts.
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 07, 2003, 09:34:46 PM
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A wise man once told me that the GBA was likely to be the last console EVER in which it would be worthwhile to program in assembly.
Sorry but I have no idea what that means. Could you explain?
Post by: PIAC on October 07, 2003, 11:06:29 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 08, 2003, 03:53:10 PM
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assembly would be a language, and er its... good.. for... *waits for grey ninja to post something more understandable*
Good idea
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 08, 2003, 04:33:30 PM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on October 08, 2003, 04:58:10 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 08, 2003, 05:37:53 PM
In other words using a non-disk media for the Next GB won't be a problem as long as it's cheap to make and has a lot of space. Since Game Boys have so far been known for being very durable I don't want to drop the Next Game Boy and realize it's ruined because the disk drive got f'ed up in the fall. I also won't like the idea of having to recharge the batteries every few hours and having to have a secondary media for saving my games will be quite the turn off too. The biggest thing though is I don't want to be playing a game and all of a sudden see "Now Loading" on the screen. Loading times are bad enough on consoles but the idea of it happening on a handheld is about 10 times worse.
Post by: Grey Ninja on October 08, 2003, 06:16:32 PM
Assembly is an OLD programming language. It's used very little in this day and age, although I would be willing to bet that a few very small parts of Doom 3 and Half Life 2 are programmed in Assembly. The reason for this is that Assembly is as close to programming in binary as is practical. Assembly allows a person complete control over the hardware you are coding for. It's as low level as you can get. The reason it's not used a lot anymore is that coding in it is a nightmare. The code is unreadable, it will take you FOREVER to code anything, coding something really big, such as a game is almost unthinkable, and it's just not nice to work with. The upside is that you have complete control over your code, and it's FAST, and makes a very small executable.
But think of it this way. To a programmer, coding in assembly is much like driving a race car. You have no CD Player, you have no anti-lock brakes, no automatic transmission, no air conditioning, no leg room, and no gas mileage. But is it ever fun driving that car anyways.
The problem is that both the race car (assembly), and the production cars (high level languages), have evolved at a fast rate, and now the regular car drives at 2000MPH, and the race car drives at 3000MPH. Which is the better choice? The GBA takes us back to a day when Race cars drove at 200MPH, and the regular cars drove at 100MPH. In this case, there's a clear gain to be seen in using a race car to get from point A to point B if you really need to get there fast.
Does that make sense?
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 08, 2003, 06:50:19 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 09, 2003, 09:50:08 AM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on October 09, 2003, 11:26:07 AM
Post by: the_zombie_luke on October 10, 2003, 08:02:42 AM
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The GBA isn't a dedicated 2D system. It's possible to do 3D graphics on it, and many games and demos prove that. The problem is that the GBA isn't a very powerful system, meaning that 2D graphics are the best way of making a good looking game. What's really great about the GBA though is that IMHO, it's about the most fantastic system EVER to make a 2D game on. The hardware design is just a masterpiece.
A wise man once told me that the GBA was likely to be the last console EVER in which it would be worthwhile to program in assembly. When the GBA is rendered obsolete, the torch will likely be passed on to cel phones, but we are still losing a piece of our history with the GBA. Whatever happens, I want you all to remember the GBA with fondness and love in your hearts.
I agree! The SNES is like a Super NES, only more Super! I really like how Golden Sun looks. It's like 16 bit meets 32 bit. I just wish Nintendo would make more new software for the GBA rather than porting SNES games. I want to see a new 2D Zelda on GBA.
Post by: bmfrosty on October 12, 2003, 04:28:19 AM
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