Post by: The Omen on September 20, 2003, 07:45:40 AM
Bottoms up!!!
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 20, 2003, 08:31:33 AM
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Post by: PIAC on September 20, 2003, 02:56:55 PM
funny story, went to EB yesterday to get FFTA, and while i was there i was annoyed by no fewer than 5-6 kids saying things like 'nintendo sucks' 'nintendo is for kids' and yet there was me and a few other people around 17-25 looking at the cube games on display, yeah nintendo is for kids allright
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 20, 2003, 03:03:17 PM
). I see people checking out Gamecube games everywhere. Only a few days ago I had to wait in line to play the Rebel Strike demo my Wal-Mart just got. This kid kept playing and wouldn't give it up- I eventually had to leave because I was waiting too long.Anyway, I completely agree with you, Omen. Being a Nintendo fan is one of the few absolutes in my life, but it's definitely one of the strongest. And I think that holds true for just about every Nintendo fan, as well. "Devotion" doesn't even really begin to describe how most of us feel about Nintendo. Sure they have their faults, they've made a few bad business decisions in the past, and will do so in the future as well (there's no such thing as a perfect company), but what they bring to the table far outweighs what they take away and while this may sound more like wishful thinking than a factual statement, I think Nintendo's here to stay. This is but a down in a glorious and illustrious history of Nintendo that's only just started.
Can you guys believe AgentSeven actually said I hated Nintendo?
Post by: Grey Ninja on September 20, 2003, 03:10:41 PM
I am really speechless right now. That doesn't often happen to me, as I will usually have SOMETHING to say, but I really don't. It's just that I don't often feel that I fit in with any group of people these days, and all 5 people who posted in this thread today have said exactly what's on my mind, and in my heart.
Post by: nemo_83 on September 20, 2003, 03:30:48 PM
Post by: Koopa Troopa on September 20, 2003, 03:42:27 PM
Post by: PIAC on September 20, 2003, 03:50:22 PM
oh for everyone that hasnt' allready check out my room, its been updated! see my sig for the linky.
Post by: kennyb27 on September 20, 2003, 04:41:58 PM
.Anyway, I too have to agree with the thread. It's way too often I see some 12 year olds saying Nintendo games are "kiddy" but others older than them (including me) picking out a game to buy. Who starts these stereotypes anyway? But I would pick my Cube over any other system any day of the week.
Post by: NintendoFanGirl on September 20, 2003, 06:13:59 PM
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Originally posted by: The OmenYou go to EB, and ask for Madden 2004, and they hand you the PS2 version, and you get agitated.
Funny you said that. This exact thing happened to me today at Gamestop. The thing was, we had been talking about Nintendo and the guy KNEW I was a GameCube gamer, yet when I asked him about an upcoming game, he asks "for the PS2"? Was he not listening?? Very frustrating. One of these days I think I'm going to have a stroke because of the stress this so-called "console war" has caused me.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 20, 2003, 06:33:33 PM
I know of no real GC haters around here. . . my own friend owns one (and a PS2) and all of my friends play it and love it, even the Xbox guy. I've never gotten into any kind of argument with anyone about consoles, either. Ah, and one time at Sams some dudes were playing the Gamecube. . . little kids fighting over the controllers, some teen playing WW, another guy play some RPG. Brought tears to my eyes.
Post by: Mario on September 20, 2003, 06:34:09 PM
I love being a Nintendo fan, and no matter what anyone says about them, i will defend Nintendo, i will defend what is right! I am happy having a console that many idiots look down upon, if they dont like it it's their loss, not mine. I dont care what anyone thinks about the GameCube or Nintendo, i dont let anyone change my opinion, i am happy with Nintendo, and the fact that i know im getting a better gaming experience than most people.
I have 17 games for my Nintendo GameCube, thats more games than i have had for any other console, ever. I see many, many, many high quality games coming out in the future for our my purple little cube, and F-Zero GX, Soul Calibur 2, Viewtiful Joe, Mario Kart, Billy Hatcher, Rebel Strike, Pikmin 2, Animal Crossing, Mario Party 5, Mario Tennis, Starfox 2, Metroid Prime 2, Wario Ware, Pokemon Colosseum, Pokemon Channel, Resident Evil 4, Killer 7, Tales of Symphonia, Baton Kaitos, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Zelda: Four Swords, Zelda: Tetra's Trackers, another Zelda, Mario 128 are just a handful of them. Nintendo, i am one freaking happy customer. I can think of... two exclusive PS2 games that im interested in and... one Xbox game. And dont get me started on the GBA, what an awesome little thing that is, i have about 11 GBA games and heaps more that i plan on getting when i get enough cash. I love my GBA. I love my GameCube. Ever since i got my GameCube at 9am on launch day, i have loved it.
Nintendo fans, take a stand! If anyone is dissing Nintendo, set them straight!
Nintendo for life!
Post by: Molobert on September 20, 2003, 06:41:08 PM
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Post by: D-Mac Double on September 20, 2003, 06:49:59 PM
I remember countless times when my sister's "cool", "thug" friends would badmouth the Cube. They saw me play Mario64 and thought it was a GCN game!
As we all know, "Mainstream gamers" believe games like Smash Bros, Zelda, and Viewtiful Joe are, dare I say, "Kiddie" and consider Tomb Raider, GTA, Max Payne, and The Getaway to be greatest thing since sliced bread. This is a joke.
I certainly hope Viewtiful Joe wins Game Of the Year. As Bill said, Something like this could show the mainstreamers that "Videogaming is an art, not a way to control the violence and sex appeal they see on tv"
Post by: Termin8Anakin on September 20, 2003, 07:29:56 PM
I find that my love for NIntendo is just in my mind, cause i have neither the money nor the time, nor the energy to keep up the act. But not that it matters, cause i at least love Nintendo.
I just haven't been bothered lately. Uni is just tiring me out.
Just wait till I get a job in the future. I'll review my attitude to Nintendo Fanboyism then
Post by: Mannypon on September 20, 2003, 08:29:40 PM
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Post by: Bishman on September 20, 2003, 08:48:09 PM
Post by: TOY on September 20, 2003, 09:02:18 PM
You know I agree with just about everything I've read here, as I can relate. I've been a huge Nintendo fan ever since my wife bought me the Nes for christmas years ago. I have EVERY system that nintendo has made. Yes even Virtual Boy. And I will be in line on launch day to pick up my N5 and a couple games. I'm curious, how old are you guys? I'm 39. I have a feeling there are no youngn's in this post. Common sense comes with age. Give the rookies time and they will see the error of their ways.
TOY
Post by: Grey Ninja on September 20, 2003, 09:09:13 PM
I've been around since I got my NES back in 1990 for Christmas. I started out late, but I made up for it by getting all Nintendo consoles from NES - GCN, and no others. (except a GBA, and a nice PC)
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 20, 2003, 09:19:51 PM
15 years of Nintendo bliss and counting
Post by: Djunknown on September 20, 2003, 09:49:23 PM
I think we're simply suffering a generation gap here. Back in our day, there was a good chance that Nintendo was the first console we ever saw. (Lest you go back to the Atari days, my question for you is how did you get hooked to Nintendo?) I'm going on a limb and say Nintendo single handedly saved the video game industry back in the day; its a damn shame a worthy rival like Sega isn't around to balance it in this day and age. (Though their collaberations today are merely a hint of what these companies can do together, I can see them making the next AAA must-have title if things work out right.) These kids today have so much to choose from, even PC games which back in 85 were simply nothing more than text based games that appealed only to the geekest of the geeks. Back then, it was all about the games; our minds were not filled with how boobies make games 'cool', beating Super Mario Bros w/o using warp pipes was.
Unfortunaltely, those days have vanished; forever ingrained in our minds, but will probably never be repeated. Society has now an age of where children are capricious, and are pushed to grow up faster. Kids in their preteens now have cell phones, and young girls are dressing sluttier, but that's getting off topic. The point is that I believe kids are a little trendier, and that 'kiddie' Nintendo isn't 'it.' I can only hope that there will be enough members of the Nintendo army to keep it afloat in tough times. With out it, many publishers will be content to get their piece and be out, leaving no legacy behind.
Thanks for listening; my bed is calling me. (Or is that SC2?..)
Post by: KDR_11k on September 20, 2003, 09:49:29 PM
Honestly, saying XY is for kids is definitely the dumbest thing anyone can say. It's usually just to dis something you have no real arguments against. I guess the average kid just needs something to patch its ego.
If you hear someone claiming N is for kids laugh at them in the most humiliating way you can. That is VERY effective in shutting up idiots.
Post by: Mannypon on September 20, 2003, 10:18:26 PM
Post by: PIAC on September 20, 2003, 11:41:35 PM
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Oh, PIAC, that's one pimpin' room you got there, all it needs is a fridge and a bathroom and you have little need to see the light of day...
look again, next to my PC and under my 2nd tv, it has a Rayman and Veiwtiful Joe poster on it, that would be my fridge
and the bathroom is just up the... hall i guess (basically my room is a giant empty space on the bottom floor of my house) also all my windows are blocked up with sheets and tarpolans, no sunlight for me (too much glare)so basically my room is a shrine to nintendo, allthough i have seen alot better rooms, i do my part. i do want a giant pirate flag though....
oh yeah im 18
Post by: Fish on September 21, 2003, 12:55:23 AM
But it also make me sad, my Lord of the Rings fanboy(Yep, I am both Nintendo and LOTR fanatic) That this point is like ending in The Two Towers(Movie ending, although I think they screwed it up, if they would have had Shelob in TT, they would have had the best cliffhanger ending ever) That this is like the point where Nintendo fans(Frodo and Sam) Talk about great tales, the past and stuff, while the rest of the world is swarmed with orcs and evil.
"There never was much hope, just a fools hope"
And I have had pretty much all Nintendo consoles, expect original GB and GB Pocket. And some Game & Watch games. Also, what proves to me Nintendo systems offer much joy, is my older brother. He bought an PS1, and played it now and then, but always came to play Goldeneye or Mario Kart with me on my N64, and still claimed "Nintendo is for kids". Also, he bought and PS2, and few months later he had 5 games on it, and then sold it. meanwhile I have 17 games for 'Cube, and probably about 25 before end of the year.
And I just turned 16 today.
Post by: Plugabugz on September 21, 2003, 01:41:46 AM
I have a slightly different situation. Where I've bought/pre-ordered exclusive games - Mario Kart: Double Dash, F-Zero GX, Super Monkey Ball 1/2, Animal Crossing, Metroid Prime, Rogue Leader - All of my friends have bought largely multi-platform titles like Nightfire, various American sports games and others I can't remember.
I like what nintendo has, and I like it's entertainment value. Enough said!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY FISH!!!
Post by: Uglydot on September 21, 2003, 06:08:42 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 21, 2003, 09:01:18 AM
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Hmmm... Heaven forbid there be another gamecrash; that's the last thing we need.
Actually, it might be the best thing to happen to the industry since the LAST crash. As much as I dislike AgentSeven, he is right that Atari screwed home videogames when they sold themself and flooding the market with so many games, the public just gave up. Nintendo came along and completely revived the industry single handed and created a glory age of gaming. And as much as I like my PS2, AgentSeven is right again that Sony is doing exactly what Atari did and another gaming crash is loomnig on the horizon. Yet what a crash entails is not the death of videogaming (I can't fathom such a thing happening) but rather a weeding out of the bad while the good stick around. The industry will again be revived, perhaps by Nintendo, and we will once again have a glory age of gaming.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 21, 2003, 09:54:03 AM
"Survival of the fittest..."
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 21, 2003, 02:40:31 PM
PJ said the reason they pushed Shelob into the next movie was because they didn't want Return of the King to be 3 hours of Frodo and Sam going up a mountain (they're cutting out the Scouring of the Shire 
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I do agree with Fish's analogy.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 21, 2003, 02:44:58 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 21, 2003, 02:56:54 PM
PJ said the reason they pushed Shelob into the next movie was because they didn't want Return of the King to be 3 hours of Frodo and Sam going up a mountain (they're cutting out the Scouring of the Shire ). The only problem I had with the TTT movie was how quickly Faramir succumbed to the Ring while in the book he resisted very well.Anway, I don't want to get this thread off topic, so forget I said any of this.
I do agree with Fish's analogy.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 21, 2003, 03:03:39 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 21, 2003, 03:06:47 PM
And LotR was MUCH better than The Hobbit- the Hobbit's still better than everything else, but it was also more of a kid's story and didn't delve near as deep into the lore of Middle Earth as LotR did.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on September 21, 2003, 03:56:17 PM
), I have to say that I am an 18 year old Asian Leo, got hooked on NIntendo from the NES, first console owned was SNES, got jealous of sister when she got a clear Game Boy for her birthday back in 1994, so I got Super Mario Land 2 for my birthday, sold my SNES to get a Gold Controller N64 pack with Mario 64. In 1999, my N64 got stolen with my three games (Mario 64, OoT and Rogue Squadron), and borrowed my uncle's PlayStation for a month before my parents bought me a second hand one with three games (Mario 64, MArio Kart and Goldeneye), built up N64 game library and now currently have 9 games.Bought Rogue Leader for Christmas last year cause it was only AUS$29. BOught my Gamecube in January this year, and now have 9 games.
Will buy a further 6 games, but have no money.
Still have my N64.
And such is the watered down version of the story of my gaming life with Nintendo!
Post by: Termin8Anakin on September 21, 2003, 03:58:49 PM
), I have to say that I am an 18 year old Asian Leo, got hooked on NIntendo from the NES, first console owned was SNES, got jealous of sister when she got a clear Game Boy for her birthday back in 1994, so I got Super Mario Land 2 for my birthday, sold my SNES to get a Gold Controller N64 pack with Mario 64. In 1999, my N64 got stolen with my three games (Mario 64, OoT and Rogue Squadron), and borrowed my uncle's PlayStation for a month before my parents bought me a second hand one with three games (Mario 64, MArio Kart and Goldeneye), built up N64 game library and now currently have 9 games.Bought Rogue Leader for Christmas last year cause it was only AUS$29. BOught my Gamecube in January this year, and now have 9 games.
Will buy a further 6 games, but have no money.
Still have my N64.
And such is the watered down version of the story of my gaming life with Nintendo!
Post by: Asimov on September 21, 2003, 07:28:55 PM
GAYCUB SUX!! LOL!
Post by: ThePerm on September 21, 2003, 08:38:40 PM
. Anyways I was a big mario fan...and um then i went to target and saw mario 64..........WTF.we all have mario 64 memories...that game was just revolutionary. People would just crowd aroudn hte game waiting to play. People would sit and play in the store for hours....people wanted to play and people wanted to watch too. Anyways beign a big mario fan i could only become a mario zombie. whats a playstation?
anyways iv boughten my friends the book game over a few times having read it a few times myself and am going to college in hopes that i will be an artist in a video game company. Im hoping to work at a ninty second party. I feel zeal towards Nintendo. I want the best for them. I want them to crush the competition.
i want to say more...but this thread is so right...so right...i feel the same way. Also id say im in the same position as termin8...i am really a fanboy in my mond...but i have no time to play games and no money to afford them.
Post by: MysticGohan24 on September 21, 2003, 09:13:09 PM
I'm very good at shutting people with my vast knowledge of all thing's Nintendo and the media as a whole ( I've kept uptodate on news )
Sony is annoying and Microsoft is errrrr..... hmmm. . . . . what would described that? Fugly? or butt ugly?
Anyway, I see Nintendo Climbing up the ranks in the times to come.
Isn't sony in Finacial trouble? Since the only branch doing anything profitable is PSX2 and the whole PS brand. I don't see them lasting much longer at that rate.
PS3 from what I've heard will be twice or more harder to work with than the PSX2. I remember a quote about ps2 from a devloper ~ PS2 is a bigger B!tch than your wife. Something to that effect, I found it amusing
Nintendo has been a favorite of mine since I heard they're name ( Arcade Mario & Donkey Kong ) and my True Love was the Nes and all the way up to present GC & GBA and GBP. I even still have My Nes, Snes, N64 and of course GC and you know the rest
It's just sad that most people are idoits and don't know what a *true* game is.
Ack I don't want more garbage than the Atari and PSX combined, That's freightening.
Respect Nintendo for they will kick @$$ and I'll Buy the System to see it
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 21, 2003, 11:55:55 PM
Well where should i start, ummm.....I'm 18 and the first game i remember getting into was the original MegaMan game on NES.......then followed up with Duck hunt, mario 1-3, and etc...................Then i got my SNES and i ended up getting like about 18 games in that systems lifetime, GOD that was the best era in videogames!
N64 was a revoultionary system for me though, thnks to mario 64, goldeneye, thq wrestling games, etc.
GCN still reigns supreme with me though.....even though ive boughten a xbox and ps2..........my ps2 broke in 5 months (got full store credit though). Used the full store credit to get xbox. i currently own 7 xbox games and 4 of them i got 4 free (Halo, shenume2, fuzion frenzy, and MechAssault), and yet i barely play any of them at all.
So far i own 13 games for GCN, 7 of them being 3rd party!
lol, i even own a zelda shirt *caption* "Dont Make me go Zelda on you", another shirt that has a NES controller on it, a duckhunt shirt, and another with a GCN logo on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i cant wait till the next system comes out so i can get up at like 8am and wait for my N5 just like i did for my GCN!!!!!!!!!!!
PS hey Perm i live in AZ too! lol
Post by: UniversalJuan on September 22, 2003, 12:11:10 AM
Had to add a plug....Henshin A-Go-Go Baby! Viewtiful Joe is coming! Get ready!
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Post by: egman on September 22, 2003, 04:28:39 AM
I have always bought a different machines, but always found myself satisfied with Nintendo consoles. But I think my dedication towards Nintendo has increased of late because of their underdog status and my fear that Sony and Microsoft's direction towards convergence will somehow impact the videogames negatively.
It makes quite sad to see the bashing that GC has recieved. The console is an example of brillant engineering, surpassing the PS2 and keeping up with or surpassing some aspects of the X-box at the fraction of the size and cost. On top of that, the console is increasingly becoming the home the quirky, taking over the spot the Dreamcast held before its death. There is just so much going on for the GC it have to shake my head when I see the bashing. I think of lot Nintendo's issues are not just image, but also their refusal to do work the same way that Sony and Microsoft do.
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Post by: KDR_11k on September 22, 2003, 06:58:18 AM
Later on I got a C64 (favourite games: Katakis (R-Type rip off by Factor 5) and Giana Sisters (Mario rip off), both games were killed by lawsuits filed by Irem and Nintendo respectively), after that a Gameboy and somewhen later a 386 ("evolved" through some steps to my current Athlon XP rig). But then I got the glorious, shining goal I always wanted: The SNES! (with Super Gameboy and Super Mario World, IIRC) I was and am a firm believer of Murpy's Law, so I was afraid during the whole trip home that I would accidentaly drop it and destroy it, but luckily that didn't happen. Damn, I NEVER felt so excited before. Fast-Forward to last christmas (well, actually the time before chistmas): I got so bored by the always-the-same games on the PC that I decided I needed more selection. I thought back and noticed that many genres appear only on consoles these days. Well, therefore I needed to get a console. What did I know about the current generation? Close to nothing. So I looked back on my experience with the SNES (and the maximum spending my parents were willing to do) and decided the games that come out of Nintendo are most representative of the console world. Result: Cube. Oh, yeah, somewhere in between I also got a GBC (about the time the Pokemon craze hit first) and a GBASP (May, I think).
I doubt the definition "cult follower" applies to me, but whatever...
Post by: UniversalJuan on September 22, 2003, 12:01:13 PM
Henshin A-Go-Go Baby!
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 22, 2003, 12:30:13 PM
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Their response "If I win a GameCube I'm going to sell it to buy an Xbox".
You shoulda decked them right then and there. I can't stand blatant Nintendo bashing like that, especially at a Nintendo event.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 22, 2003, 12:45:02 PM
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Post by: Grey Ninja on September 22, 2003, 07:25:38 PM
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anyways iv boughten my friends the book game over a few times having read it a few times myself and am going to college in hopes that i will be an artist in a video game company.
Want a job as a sprite or tile artist that pays $0?
I am currently in need of talented artists for a GBA game, and if you have some free style samples, I would love to see them. I would just like a sample of an animated gif to see if you can handle animation or not. 64x64 pixels in 8 bit color is the most you can have.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on September 22, 2003, 07:38:06 PM
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Their response "If I win a GameCube I'm going to sell it to buy an Xbox".
You shoulda decked them right then and there. I can't stand blatant Nintendo bashing like that, especially at a Nintendo event.
Well, thing is, even with the gamecube money, you STILL wouldn't be able to afford a Xbox (by itself). Hahaha.
And THAT's the truth.
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Post by: Koopa Troopa on September 24, 2003, 08:16:42 PM
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Want a job as a sprite or tile artist that pays $0? I am currently in need of talented artists for a GBA game, and if you have some free style samples, I would love to see them. I would just like a sample of an animated gif to see if you can handle animation or not. 64x64 pixels in 8 bit color is the most you can have.
Hehe, GBA is fun to work with. Its like DOS... only better.
Post by: Rancid Planet on September 24, 2003, 08:27:09 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on September 24, 2003, 08:27:18 PM
I'm really going to miss the GBA once it's gone. I think it was GBAGuy who said that the GBA would probably be the last console EVER in which it would be worthwhile to program in assembly. It might very well be the last console ever where one man working alone can make a really good game as well.
We should really value the GBA while it's here, as I think it's very likely that we are seeing the end of a generation with the GBA. We may never see such times again.
Post by: Koopa Troopa on September 24, 2003, 10:01:27 PM
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Personally, I don't see the similarity with DOS. DOS never gave me the power that the GBA does.
They are actually pretty much equivalent in "power"(386/486 anyway). The correlation is drawn in that both DOS and GBA allow (and even require) low-level work. And they are most certainly similar to program. (when I say DOS I'm more referring to the hardware, which wasn't blocked as it is today).
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I'm really going to miss the GBA once it's gone. I think it was GBAGuy who said that the GBA would probably be the last console EVER in which it would be worthwhile to program in assembly. It might very well be the last console ever where one man working alone can make a really good game as well.
Well you can still benefit from programming in Assembly on today's computers (SSE/SSE2). I also can't think of any games that have come out in recent years, that were any good AND made by one person.
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We should really value the GBA while it's here, as I think it's very likely that we are seeing the end of a generation with the GBA. We may never see such times again.
This is I agree with... It will, if nothing else, herald dark times for 2D games. But then again, maybe not.
Post by: Top Ramen on September 25, 2003, 02:21:37 AM
I buy every system each generation. This generation was especially incredible, from the Dreamcast to the current triad of systems. Look at the hardware pushing our games these days...it's really amazing! I appreciate the competition among hardware manufacturers...it drives innovation and gaming to new heights. That's the great thing about market capitalism. Shame on those who pooh-pooh the Cube VS Xbox jockeying for #2. Is it better to have a single company shape the gaming landscape according to IT'S vision, as opposed to the demands of the consumer market? No! I'm having the best gaming experiences of my life these days, in fact, there's just TOO many great games coming out on all the systems that I simply don't have time for them all anymore, and that's really something in my eyes.
I bought 67 games this year so far for all 3 systems. Call me a cult fan of gaming...period! Best of luck to Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony, and here's to looking to next generation! Bring it on!
Top Ramen
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 25, 2003, 10:35:28 AM
