Post by: AgentSeven on September 17, 2003, 02:20:34 PM
Anyway, the article mentions connectivity plans for the upcoming $ony Psp. Here's a quote from the article.
"Connectivity was emphasized as playing a large part in the PSP's lifecycle..."
Gee, isn't it great when a company filled with no talent hacks steals your'e best ideas?!
Hmm, I predict that the very same magazines and websites that said Nintendo's GBA to GC connectivity was a bad idea, will now say that the PSP's connectivity is a brilliant idea.
I guess this is one of the MANY reasons I hate $ony. Instead of coming up with their own innovations, they just steal someone elses. (all of this talk will probably get me flamed, but heck, if you can't take the truth, you know what you can do...)
Well, here's a couple of little know facts to end my rant. First the PSP is having massive production difficulties. Second battery life is about 3 hours or less according to various sources. Third the psp's hardware power is more akin to a low-end psone and NOT equal to that of the PS2. Any 10 year old kid with half a brain can figure that one out just by looking at the hardware specs.
One last thing, it's very, very odd that developers are recieveing PSP emulators to make their games on, rather than actuall development kits. I have already spoken to a couple of developers here in Los Angeles who find this aspect extremely troubling.
I guess I shouldn't care as GB"Future" will be twice the machine the PSP is. I also find it funny that this is the one time where $ony's faith in optical storage mediums will backfire in their faces. Expect those "disc read error" messages to begin soon after launch.
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 17, 2003, 02:38:32 PM
BTW, your opinion isn't the law- try to make a note of such instead of blatantly saying you're right and everyone else is wrong. You might also want to reserve judgement on the PSP until you actually use it.
Post by: AgentSeven on September 17, 2003, 02:52:40 PM
Secondly, what I said about the psp procution problems and the battery life issues are all FACTS and not opinions.
I truly expect the psp to be the same low quality tech junk that the walkman, discman and the minidisc have all been. Do a websearch for "defective sony products" and you get an avalanche of responses.
There is even a class action lawsuit pending against $ony because of it's massively inferior and possibly, purposely defective products. (Planned obsolesence strikes again!)
Even $ony's own European president said that "they don't expect it to compete directly with the GBA because you can't treat it as roughly as you would a gameboy." Hmm, sounds like early damage control to me.
Seriously though, the point of this thread isn't to flame Mouse Clicker or even to tell everyone that I hate $ony. It's about exposing the no-talent hacks over at SCEA. It's this lack of original ideas that truly worries me as a gamer and as someone working in the game indutstry. I speak to many people on a daily basis who worry that if $ony has no competition, they will run the industry into the ground. Just like Atari did in 1984. My stores have dump bins filled with bad PS1 and PS2 titles. All racing games,"look-a-like clones," and bad sequels. It truly reminds me of the "video game crash years." When my local toy stores would be filled with dump bins overflowing with bad titles they could never possibly sell.
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 17, 2003, 03:00:48 PM
And I know it's not the point of the thread, but it kind of hurts your case when you bash Sony throughout the entire thing, because it becomes blatantly obvious that you're not giving an unbiased view of the situation.
And I don't see how your opinion on what I've done in any way justifies the fact that you're doing the same thing.
Post by: AgentSeven on September 17, 2003, 03:15:42 PM
Second, my opinions of GB "Future" come from friends that I have in the game industry. Especially those that reside in Washington state. As I have said in other threads, I'm a huge fan of Nintendo and I try as much as I can, to pry secrets from the most secretive company in the business. It's my personal opinion that the GB "Future" has been in development for quite sometime, much longer than we have been lead to believe. Also, I feel that Nintendo knows that it has to "show-up" the PSP in order to survive. This is one thing I know for certain, they have something very,very special up their sleves. (Other than that Zelda RPG or the Paper Mario made by Square)
Still the point of this thread is to expose $ony's lack of original ideas and to bash the media for being the sell out whores that they are. As soon as psp launches, I expect to hear how "brilliant" the connectivity is. (Sigh) Just like how the media bashed Sega for going online and then turned around and praised $ony for doing the same damn thing. Funny, you know who helped $ony set up their online structure? It was SEGA!!!!!
By the way, this is a Nintendo fourm. I will bash $ony as much as I possibly can. It's good for business. We need healty rivalries and serious brand loyalties. Copetition is a good thing.
And besides, $ony sucks
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 17, 2003, 03:18:37 PM
Post by: AgentSeven on September 17, 2003, 03:32:07 PM
Anyway, to those who are late to this thread, make sure you make note of the facts and opinons presented above.
(p.s. did I just call you "dude?" I've been in California too long.)
Post by: Cap on September 17, 2003, 04:46:50 PM
as for battery power of the psp, i believe sony themselves mentioned that it will be 3-6 hours.
Post by: AgentSeven on September 17, 2003, 05:41:02 PM
Still connectivity really began with the Dreamcast and the Neo Geo pocket. However, the feature never took off until Nintendo began to re-thinik the concept with the development of the GBA. I know some people who will tell you that Nintendo had the idea first, and that Sega just beat them to the punch when they teamed up with SNK and the Neo Pocket. Still, that's besides the point.
As soon as Psp hits, you will probably see games that utilize features like those found in FF:CC and Zelda:Four Swords. Both of those titles are an EXCELLENT use of the connectivity feature. I'm sure psp will utilize 4 person link play, another feature as old as the original GameBoy.
Then their is also the idea of connecting your handheld to your p.c. I've been linking up my GBA and my PC for a while. I own a flash cartridge, not for playing illeagal downloaded roms, but to play NES emulators on my GBA. It's a brilliant device. I've even heard that Nintendo is developing an SD card adapter for the GBA that lets you run pocket emulators on your GBA. Giving the public a legal alternative to the "Flash Cart." PSp will also probably utilize these features as well.
Really all I'm saying is this. As heartless, evil, nazi-esque $ony begins to develop it's handheld system, they will look to one company for their best ideas. Nintendo. The press condemns connectivity as a gimmik, even though FF:CC, Zelda 4 swords, and downloadable GBA demos have proven otherwise. A year for now they will be praising $ony for doing the exact same thing.
It's like Dreamcast online, first it was widely criticized by the press. Then 2 years later $ony enters the online scene with the EXACT same plan as the DC once had and everyone says it's "brilliant."
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 17, 2003, 06:33:10 PM
1) The PSP will last 3-5 hours, according to sources. That is still not a good amount of time. In fact, I think that isn't much more than the Game Gear could do...
2) You can't blame Ninty for using the GCN-GBA connectivity as they have. Now that they are making games that use it exclusively, people go out and ***** about having to buy a GB(See FF:CC and Four Swords...). Sony is blatently ripping off Ninty here.
3) I don't want to pay 300 bucks for a handheld...period. I'm guessing Ninty's next GB will cost 100-150 dollars at launch...half the price
Post by: Mannypon on September 17, 2003, 07:18:21 PM
agent, what do you mean by that lol, I never heard anything of the sort. When you say Zelda RPG do you mean an rpg in the tradition turn based way? and the paper mario by square is that for gba or gamecube? dam lol, these 2 things should be topics on the board lol.
Post by: Mario on September 18, 2003, 12:35:25 AM
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Even if $ony manages to put connectivty to a better use, they'd still be ripping off someone else's idea.
Still connectivity really began with the Dreamcast and the Neo Geo pocket. However, the feature never took off until Nintendo began to re-thinik the concept with the development of the GBA.
Haha, you just contradicted yourself right there genious. So connectivity began with the Dreamcast, but its ok that Nintendo 'copied' it because they made it take off and become a little popular. But now Sony are coming in, they will most likely make it even more popular (never underestimate the Sony hype machine), and all of a sudden you have a problem with connectivity taking off? *rolls eyes*
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Really all I'm saying is this. As heartless, evil, nazi-esque $ony begins to develop it's handheld system, they will look to one company for their best ideas. Nintendo.
Oh yep. Nintendo invented games. Huh? Atari? Who? Nintendo didnt copy anyone... of course not, they are NINTENDO, they would never do such a thing. SONY on the other hand copy everything they see, i mean just look at Jak and Daxter, a blatant ripoff of Super Mario 64, and Eye Toy, the biggest E-Reader ripoff since Gran Turismo.
Another thing, stop the assumptions. Its not a fact that the press will start praising connectivity as soon as Sony uses it, maybe that will be bad publicity for Sony?
Personally i think the PSP is a good thing. For the past 10 years the Gameboy has evolved very slowly. In ten years we've gone from black and white, to colour, to slightly better graphics, to a lit screen. Now all of a sudden a major contender emerges, the PSP. Nintendo are starting to release new model Gameboys almost every year. GBA in 2001, SP this year, and the new gameboy supposedly for next year. The leap in technology handheld consoles make will be much larger from this gen to next gen, and thats thanks to the PSP. The PSP will make, or is already making Nintendo work harder to make sure they are still number one.
AgentSeven, if you dont like Sony, then dont buy their products, but dont try to convince everyone else to do the same. I dont really like Microsoft but im not telling everyone to hate them. And as for your sig, my 2 year old PS2 works fine thank you very much.
Post by: Ymeegod on September 18, 2003, 02:46:49 AM
The DC should get the alot of the credit with it's VMU, hell even the ole Playstation a similar product (though I think it was only released in Japan).
A few things the VMU did.
A.) allowed you do DL mini-games
B.) allowed you to unlock special items in the game (SoA for example--pikmia quest).
C.) steam in stats from the game, quite a few sports games as well as others).
What has the GBA done that seperates it apart? :0
Post by: KDR_11k on September 18, 2003, 09:07:51 AM
Post by: AgentSeven on September 18, 2003, 11:19:41 AM
Secondly, when Nintendo entered the market in 84, they re-invented the video game. When $ony entered the market in 95, they copied just about everything that Nintendo did. Including coloring the original PSone grey so that it would remind people of the SNES. This is a FACT. Psp just continues this trend.
Finally, I hate $ONY and I encourage everyone here NOT to buy their crappy, inferior, and purposely defective products. Don't waste your money. If you own a GameCube already, buy an X-Box or a Dreamcast. If can't afford one of those systems, and you own a computer, look into old school emulation. There are 10,000+ great games for all of the "legacy" systems out there. Not to mention all the great arcade emu's.
I must say that the VMU and the Pocket Station don't count as true connectivity. In fact Pocket Station was WIDELY DEFECTIVE that it was never released outside of Japan. How do I know? I'm informed and I own one. It's a peice of crap. I will give Sega credit for the VMU however, it was a brilliant idea that was way ahead of it's time. Sega was and is Nintendo's only true equal.
Now in my next post, maybe I'll explain what I mean by "The Zelda RPG" and the "Paper Mario Sequel" by Square. Also what about Super Mario RPG for GBA and those crazy re-writable cartridges for the GB"FUTURE." There is some crazy stuff going around in the rumor mill....
Post by: AgentSeven on September 18, 2003, 11:23:19 AM
Secondly, when Nintendo entered the market in 84, they re-invented the video game. When $ony entered the market in 95, they copied just about everything that Nintendo did. Including coloring the original PSone grey so that it would remind people of the SNES. This is a FACT. Psp just continues this trend.
Finally, I hate $ONY and I encourage everyone here NOT to buy their crappy, inferior, and purposely defective products. Don't waste your money. If you own a GameCube already, buy an X-Box or a Dreamcast. If can't afford one of those systems, and you own a computer, look into old school emulation. There are 10,000+ great games for all of the "legacy" systems out there. Not to mention all the great arcade emu's.
I must say that the VMU and the Pocket Station don't count as true connectivity. In fact Pocket Station was so WIDELY DEFECTIVE that it was never released outside of Japan. How do I know? I'm informed and I own one. It's a peice of crap. I will give Sega credit for the VMU however, it was a brilliant idea that was way ahead of it's time. Sega was and is Nintendo's only true equal.
Now in my next post, maybe I'll explain what I mean by "The Zelda RPG" and the "Paper Mario Sequel" by Square. Also what about Super Mario RPG for GBA and those crazy re-writable cartridges for the GB"FUTURE?" There is some crazy stuff going around in the rumor mill....
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 18, 2003, 11:45:17 AM
Post by: AgentSeven on September 18, 2003, 12:01:02 PM
Heck, the only reason $ony partnered with Nintendo back in the early 90's was so that they could do two things. First, they wanted to stage a hostile takeover of Nintendo using stock they would recieve in the partnership deal. Second, they wanted to see how Nintendo ran it's business.
I won't say that their are no decent games on PS1 or PS2. However I will say, that NONE of them are made by $ony. Now if anyone mentions GT or Jak I'm going to puke! (And I don't care about ICO, it bored me, Zzzzz) Also, it seems like the original PS had more good games than the Ps2 does. I think this is the begining of a trend. Especially as $ony loses it's best franchises to other systems...
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 18, 2003, 12:16:42 PM
And why should it matter about corporate policies or anything like that when it's interfering with palying good games? Nintendo and Microsoft both had monopolistic practices, so why do you not care if people buy a GBA or XBox? At least Sony hasn't cornered a market and taken advantage of it yet.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on September 18, 2003, 12:32:36 PM
As for his post, it looks like a fanbotish rant against a company whom sells more products than the company he likes. I hate seeing stuff like, "IF YOU KNEW WHAT I KNEW YOU WOULD THINK OTHERWISE" crap, it is nothing but rumor, with a hearty dose of BS thrown in for good measure.
The PSP will either be good or it wont, we wont know until it gets released, until then every last word about it is SPECULATION.
As for the companies themselves, they are equal in many regards, both have screw someone over at one point and both have some good products.
My PS2 is from launch and it still works fine, so is my cube, my sony TV is also working great, so go figure.
Post by: AgentSeven on September 18, 2003, 12:37:51 PM
I won't even get into the FACT that at the PS2 launch, $ony secretly bought one of it's own systems off of E-BAY for $5000 just to drive the hype surrounding the new system.
Then there's the classic "disc read errors...."
Also, although common history states that Nintendo asked $ony to "help them out" with their own optical storage device. What is not publically known, at least not by many, is that half way into the project Nintendo realized that $ony was up to no good and they panicked and broke the deal.
By the way, they didn't "screw" Phillips. Phillips screwed themselves with those disgusting Zelda titles.
Don't buy $ony products. You're only hurting yourselves. If you own a GameCube and you wan't another system, buy an X-Box or a Dreamcast. Don't foget console and arcade emu on PC. It's all good stuff.
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 18, 2003, 12:42:50 PM
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Also, although common history states that Nintendo asked $ony to "help them out" with their own optical storage device. What is not publically known, at least not by many, is that half way into the project Nintendo realized that $ony was up to no good and they panicked and broke the deal.
What proof do you have of that? It sounds like fanboy BS to me.
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By the way, they didn't "screw" Phillips. Phillips screwed themselves with those disgusting Zelda titles.
Do you even know what went on between Nintendo and Phillips? Nintendo contracted Phillips, one of the pioneers of CDs, to help with an SNES CD add on. Nintendo then backed out of the deal and broke the contract. Since Nintendo had gone against their agreement, Phillips sued Nintendo and forced them to hand over the rights to make 3 Zelda games. Those Zelda games are a direct result of Nintendo screwing Phillips over.
And flooding the market with crappy games is an opinion and far from a monopoly. The NES was a monopoly. The GBA is almost a monopoly (Nintendo's acting like it is). Tomb Raider is a horrible example, too, since Nintendo let Superman 64 and Universal Studios slip through on their consoles.
Post by: AgentSeven on September 18, 2003, 12:49:15 PM
Finally, let me end with this. Everything I said about $ony stealing other peoples ideas is true. It's fact and it can be confirmed by almost anyone.
Why is it that the lazy and the uninformed automatically dismiss anything they do not agree with, without trying to confirm the truth of what they are hearing? This must be a by-product of the decline of the worlds educational systems.
By the way have I mentioned that I own an Atari 2600/7800, Colecovision, Intellivision, Atari Jaguar, SMS, Genesis, Sega CDX, 32x, Saturn, Nes, Super Nes, N64, GameCube, Turbo Duo, Turbo Express, Neo Geo Pocket, Wonderswan, PsX, Ps2, X-Box, VirtuaBoy, GameBoy, GameBoy Pocket, GBA, GbaSP, a Mame Arcade cabinent and a PC that hooks to my TV and plays emulators?
I'm hardly a fan-boy.....If anything, I'm a fan boy for good games, reguardless of what system they are on. I just don't like $ony. I don't agree with their policy of running their business like Atarti did in the 80's...I work in this industry, I don't need abother crash. Many, many people agree with me.
ps, I have only one identity in this forum and this is it. Unlike some of the other date-less wonders in here...
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 18, 2003, 12:50:46 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 18, 2003, 12:55:11 PM
Post by: AgentSeven on September 18, 2003, 12:55:30 PM
Oh and what about the defective systems? Shall I start posting links to the 1000's of complaints made against $ony and it's products?
Actually Mouse, everything you say sounds like whinny fan boy BS. Seroiously, you just seem to hate Nintendo, yet your'e always here chatting in this forum. Why?
As for what I know about the Nintendo+$ony deal. Well, as I said before, I WAS THERE!
You can that is BS if you like. But the intelligent readers of my posts know otherwise. I am well informed and my posts are well articulated and come with a great deal of info that can be confirmed by almost anyone. Do some research before you dismiss the truth...
Finally, one last thing. Mouse, I hate you and you hate me. Why bother responding to my posts?
Seriously??
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 18, 2003, 01:00:32 PM
Anyone who's supporting this guy should quit right now- I don't see how I've EVER come off as a Nintendo hater.
Why do I both responding to your posts? Because I think there's hope- I used to be exactly like you, bashing Sony whenever I got the chance. Until a guy on IGN flamed me for it. I PMed him to flame him back, we got in a very in depth discussion, and I realized nearly every reason I hated Sony was completely unfounded. He's now one of my best friends.
Post by: AgentSeven on September 18, 2003, 01:03:05 PM
Also my arguments are clear and articulate. Unlike your'e own style of saying "that's not true" like some ignorant 10 year old. If I'm wrong PROVE IT! Seriously, show us what you've got.
Mouse, from this point on, I will not respond to anything you say. Insult my Mother, say Nintendo sucks, do whatever you wan't. I will not respond...
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 18, 2003, 01:05:02 PM
And you guys should stop fighting...Both your arguments have turned this topic into a flame war...
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 18, 2003, 01:07:29 PM
Post by: AgentSeven on September 18, 2003, 01:14:38 PM
So what do you do? Instead of proving me wrong with FACTS you resort to childish name calling and blasphemy. Wow, don't you seem intelligent?
Bill makes a great point about the Phillips deal. Very smart and well informed.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on September 18, 2003, 01:26:25 PM
Dont let this clown get to you, it really isnt worth it.
I honestly wish the moderators would do their jobs and filter out garbage like this as it does not lead to discussion, it is simply someones bitter rant filled with a combination of lies and imagination.
It is highly unlikely that this person works in the industry, a better guess would be that they arent even old enough to enter the workforce or if they indeed were in the industry, were let go by none other than Sony for whatever reason. Either way I could care less, as the methods they use to prove their point are both childish and ineffctive.
If these things are indeed fact, then provide links to the facts, verify them for us to show that you are indeed on the up and up, not just another fanboy with a bone to pick. It is not up to us to prove your points, if you are as sure as you say and had proof, you would no doubt post it. Not doing so shows me exactly how true your revelations really are.
CAll me stupid for not believing you, but the "FACTS" in this case are pretty clear.
As for having the right to post a fanboyish rant, I believe if you read the rules you will see otherwise, and that my friend is a FACT.
toodaloo
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 18, 2003, 01:37:11 PM
Post by: AgentSeven on September 18, 2003, 01:39:19 PM
Secondly, this is a Nintendo forum and I can bash the competition all I wish. I love how someone with a loyalty to their favorite company is automatically called a "fan-boy" on their own turf. Your'e darn right that I have a bone to pick with heartless, evil $ony. They are running my favorite industry into the ground! Exactly like Atari did years ago.
Third, I do in fact work in the gaming industry here in Los Angeles. In 1995 I just graduated college and was offered an internship with Columbia/TriStar, otherwise known as $ony Pictures. It was the worst job I ever had! That's where I found out exactly how evil $ony really is. Ever since then I have been working as a retail buyer for certain music+multi media chain here in LA.
I'll try to provide a link to some photos of me at the pst 5 E3's. You ever been to one of those cannuck?
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 18, 2003, 01:41:05 PM
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I love how someone with a loyalty to their favorite company is automatically called a "fan-boy" on their own turf.
I love how anyone who doesn't think Nintendo is God is automatically called a Sony fanboy.
Post by: AgentSeven on September 18, 2003, 01:46:23 PM
Still can't prove me wrong can you?
Also, never said "nintendo was God." That's blasphemy. I guess I need not remind you that this is a NINTENDO forum.
Nintendo has done their share of misdeeds in the past. However $ony has done far more evil.
$ony = Atari Circa 1984.
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 18, 2003, 01:48:11 PM
And do you honestly believe I hate Nintendo? Because you DID say that.
Post by: AgentSeven on September 18, 2003, 01:58:41 PM
And yes, I do think you hate Nintendo. You may own a GameCube, but you just seem so negative when it comes to Big N.
Here's a fact. You hate me and I hate you. This thread has deteriorated into a flame war and I have already made my point looong ago. The people who belive me have made up their minds and the people who believe you have done the same. So let's just end it.
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 18, 2003, 02:01:35 PM
Post by: AgentSeven on September 18, 2003, 02:14:08 PM
I used to actually like $ony. At least for first couple of years, then my like turned quickly to loathing.
I love Nintendo, but I also love Sega, SNK, Microsoft (yes I love my Box), NEC, and even Atari.
Why is it that anyone who praises Nintendo is always called a "fanboy." That's nothing more than spin. I love other companies as well, and I mention it frequently. Yet I am still labaled as a "Nintendo fanboy" by the more ignorant users of this forum. I own over 30 game systems yet I'm still called a "nintendo fanboy" just becaue I stick up for Nintendo and I stand for the truth.
Go figure....
Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 18, 2003, 05:09:49 PM
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Originally posted by: AgentSeven
Mouse, from this point on, I will not respond to anything you say. Insult my Mother, say Nintendo sucks, do whatever you wan't. I will not respond...
Why do you even come here and make threads if you can't handle the fact that not everybody shares your EXACT biased opinions?
Yes, lets all replace 'S' with '$' to be cool little kids, then we'll all agree that the PSP is 'stoopid' because Sony is taking an idea that wasn't even Nintendo's and making it better, TOP STUFF. I LOVE THIS THREAD.
Sony had the whole connectivity thing going with the PSone long before Nintendo shoved it in our face with the GameBoy Advance/GameCube.
As for your 'Sony let anybody make rubbish for PlayStation, think back to Atari...'
RUBBISH. Ever heard of a little invention known as the Nintendo Entertainment System? Nintendo let any idiot make games for them as long as they had the money. What's more insulting is the Seal of Approval. Yes, Home Alone lives up to Nintendo's quality standards! CLAP CLAP. LETS ALL GO BOW DOWN TO OUR NINTENDO SHRINES. THEN WE'LL MAKE SOME MORE IDIOTIC THREADS IN THE SAD ATTEMPT OF GETTING PEOPLE TO DISS THE CONSOLE WE DON'T LIKE!
Post by: Bloodworth on September 18, 2003, 05:14:55 PM
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By the way, just in case you didn't already know. This is a NINTENDO forum. I can be as much as a "Fan Boy" as I wish.
No it doesn't. This forum is for clear-minded intelligent discussion. From the beginning, you've taken every opportunity to color your argument with pointless insults. This flame war is done. I'm not banning anyone just yet, but you'd better believe I'm taking down names.
