Post by: Bill Aurion on September 03, 2003, 03:27:13 PM
It's also nice to see Kirby still hanging in there...Link
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 03, 2003, 03:32:52 PM
The Gamecube ACTUALLY outsold the PS2! This is cause for celebration, my friends!!!
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 03, 2003, 03:58:15 PM
Post by: CardBoardBox on September 03, 2003, 04:08:32 PM
Post by: Dyne on September 03, 2003, 04:13:22 PM
Post by: Gup on September 03, 2003, 04:13:34 PM
1. GC Tales of Symphonia -- 193,500 / 193,500
2. GBA Sword of Mana -- 153,000 / 153,000
3. PS2 World Soccer Winning Eleven 7 -- 53,400 / 900,000
4. PS2 Winning Post 6 -- 33,900 / 33,900
5. GC Square Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicle -- 20,300 / 328,600
6. GBA Pokemon Pinball Ruby & Sapphire -- 19,400 / 170,247
7. GBA Super Mario Advance 4 -- 17,200 / 334,000
8. GC Kirby's Air Ride -- 16,500 / 278,500
9. PS2 Monster Farm 4 -- 15,600 / 143,400
10. PS2 On-the-spot Powerful Professional Baseball 10 -- 14,900 / 452,100
1. Gameboy Advance SP -- 42,600 / 1,575,400
2. GameCube -- 35,600 / 486,200
3. Playstation 2 -- 35,300 / 1,953,300
4.Game Boy Advance -- 12,100 / 1,031,800
5. Playstation -- 960 / 54,300
6. Xbox -- 650 / 72,500
Amazing, Tales of Symphonia becomes the first game to bring GCN sales past the PS2. Truly great. Oh, and Crystal Chronicles still doing well.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 03, 2003, 04:19:51 PM
Post by: Sirmorphix on September 03, 2003, 04:41:14 PM
Post by: Darc Requiem on September 03, 2003, 04:49:02 PM
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Let's give it up for Namco...for the release of ToS in Japan and Soul Calibur II in the U.S.
Thank you Namco. I remember having a heated debate in the forums about how if 3rd parties just put in the effort they could produce titles that would sell in droves. I thank you Namco for actually doing it. I can't wait for ToS to hit the stats and as with Capcom games on GC. I'll buy as many Namco games on GC that I can afford to show my appreciation for their excellent tites and excellent support of GC.
Darc Requiem
Post by: Darc Requiem on September 03, 2003, 04:50:18 PM
Post by: Bishman on September 03, 2003, 05:18:10 PM
Post by: Marufy007 on September 03, 2003, 05:21:17 PM
Namco has definitely caught my eye. I never used to care much for them, but now they are making lots of games i really want (even non Nintendo system ones). they can definitely count on more of my money in the future.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 03, 2003, 05:32:16 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 03, 2003, 06:05:40 PM
Post by: Mario on September 03, 2003, 06:34:31 PM
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Originally posted by: Gup
1. Gameboy Advance SP -- 42,600 / 1,575,400
2. GameCube -- 35,600 / 486,200
3. Playstation 2 -- 35,300 / 1,953,300
4.Game Boy Advance -- 12,100 / 1,031,800
5. Playstation -- 960 / 54,300
6. Xbox -- 650 / 72,500
woooooooooooooooooooo!
The first GC game since SSBM to well more gamecubes than ps2!
_Man, those Sega ages titles sure flopped, maybe if they were on the NUMBER ONE console in japan, they would have sold better.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on September 03, 2003, 06:40:59 PM
Post by: rpglover on September 03, 2003, 07:48:59 PM
Post by: PIAC on September 03, 2003, 10:01:17 PM
i totally didn't expect that to happen, if its moving cubes at this fast of a rate, then expect it to continue, obviously if it sold well yet cube sales didn't rise i wouldn't expect it to sit up the top for long, hurruh! can someone slap the rest of the 3rd parties in the face with these numbers to prove that yes effort + cube = sales = proffit? PLEASE?
Post by: MeddmaWamm on September 03, 2003, 11:33:31 PM
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can someone slap the rest of the 3rd parties in the face with these numbers to prove that yes effort + cube = sales = proffit? PLEASE?
...well, Tales of Symphonia probably would have sold better had it been on PS2.
Post by: Fish on September 04, 2003, 12:30:54 AM
GC actually gained PS2's lead by 300 consoles? WATCH OUT SONY, HERE WE COME!
Excellent news, hopefully it will keep up, atleast for few weeeks.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 04, 2003, 01:58:04 AM
Indeed.
*knods head
Post by: Gup on September 04, 2003, 02:44:56 AM
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...well, Tales of Symphonia probably would have sold better had it been on PS2.
and that's a great point.
Post by: Mario on September 04, 2003, 03:05:54 AM
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...well, Tales of Symphonia probably would have sold better had it been on PS2.
and that's a great point.
Not really. It maybe would have sold double on PS2, if its lucky, and the PS2 has about 10 times the user base of the GC. Which means more percentage of GC owners would have bought it. This is selling very good for a GC game.
That point is just... crap.
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 04, 2003, 03:27:11 AM
Post by: ghostVi on September 04, 2003, 04:48:57 AM
2. They wouldn't have had a _special_ PS2 to bundle it with (it's a game's selling point, not only a GC selling point IMHO.)
3. Sony wouldn't have put money in advertising the game at all (as big N did).
All in all : we don't have a clue how it would've sell if it was on PS2.
It's just more obvious now (again) that the Cube has a really strong and expanding games library (the best of all three "next-gen" IMO).
Post by: MeddmaWamm on September 04, 2003, 10:19:40 AM
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Not really. It maybe would have sold double on PS2, if its lucky, and the PS2 has about 10 times the user base of the GC. Which means more percentage of GC owners would have bought it. This is selling very good for a GC game.
Why should the size of GC's user base matter to Namco? The size of the console's user base is irrelevant.
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 04, 2003, 11:56:32 AM
Post by: MeddmaWamm on September 04, 2003, 12:38:34 PM
Namco should not be all "YAY! WE SOLD 400,000 COPIES ON GAMECUBE WHEN WE COULD HAVE SOLD 800,000 ON PS2! OMG IT'S GREAT BECAUSE GAMECUBE HAS A REALLY SMALL USER BASE"
Post by: nolimit19 on September 04, 2003, 01:16:59 PM
Post by: Round Eye on September 04, 2003, 01:20:43 PM
Nintendo could use a few more system sellers, and I think the new and future lineup of games contain at least a couple.
Post by: CHEN on September 07, 2003, 04:58:13 AM
Great job Namco!
Post by: Gup on September 07, 2003, 07:17:18 AM
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Another point is that the PS2's engine can't even handle the amount of effort that Namco has given to ToS.
No proof bud. Well actually there is. Dark Cloud 2(I hate that game, btw) has the same type of graphics engine and it's on the PS2, so there!!!
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 07, 2003, 08:21:21 AM
Post by: darklink514 on September 07, 2003, 08:35:29 AM
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People have PS2s for the Tales series. The last Tales game sold about 900,000 copies on PS2. That's why I think ToS probably would have sold better if it was on PS2 instead of GC.Quote
Not really. It maybe would have sold double on PS2, if its lucky, and the PS2 has about 10 times the user base of the GC. Which means more percentage of GC owners would have bought it. This is selling very good for a GC game.
Why should the size of GC's user base matter to Namco? The size of the console's user base is irrelevant.
Dude, are you on drugs? 200,000 copies of a game is a LOT in one week. In one week they're already 2/5 of they're projected sales figure. By the end of the year I predict Tales will reach around 850,000-1 million.
And why are we arguing about this? Its on Gamecube and we should thank Namco for that!
Post by: Gup on September 07, 2003, 09:33:38 AM
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Dude, are you on drugs? 200,000 copies of a game is a LOT in one week. In one week they're already 2/5 of they're projected sales figure. By the end of the year I predict Tales will reach around 850,000-1 million.
850k!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!! TO A MILLION!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . . . Sorry. I see ToS selling at the most 600k, but ofcourse I hope it does better.
Post by: oohhboy on September 07, 2003, 06:39:23 PM
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You're kidding, right medmma? Obviously a game can't sell more units than there are consoles. The PS2 user base is HUGE, so even a small percentage of people who own one buy a game, that's still a lot of games sold. The Gamecube has sold very little in comparison, so even it a larger percentage buys the game, it's still sold less copies. 10% of 20 million is still more than 20% of 5 million. Since there's more people that can actually buy the game on the PS2, obviously it would have sold better, and since there's less people with a Gamecube, obviously it would sell less. If the PS2's user base were cut down to the Gamecube's, ToS probably would have sold the same on both. It has everything to do with user base- EVERYTHING.
I wouldn't say it was everything. Time Splitters 2 would have been the exception to the rule as it did sell similar numbers across all Sony and Nintendos console giving Nintendo a better tie in ratio thus tarnising your point you are trying to make there.
But your point is fundamentaly flawed. Your esimate is based on the assumption that both user bases have the same taste and have the same information which we all know isn't true.
But it is impossilbe to test how much a game would sell on each console as releasing it multiplatform would skewer the numbers. One would have to visit parralle unverses to prove whether a game could have sold better than X console than Y console.
Althought your initial point of a game never selling more than there are consoles will aways hold true. Not since Atari has anybody else pulled an E.T.
Post by: CHEN on September 10, 2003, 02:13:37 AM
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Originally posted by: CHEN
Another point is that the PS2's engine can't even handle the amount of effort that Namco has given to ToS.
No proof bud. Well actually there is. Dark Cloud 2(I hate that game, btw) has the same type of graphics engine and it's on the PS2, so there!!!
You can't even compare the two games. If you see the two in action you can obviously see differences. BTW The Cube's engine can handle better cel-shaded graphics. I'm no expert at it, so if someone can clarify this, but ToS is much prettier to the eye.
Post by: iTZKooPA on September 10, 2003, 06:19:04 AM
shoutouts to Namco for releasing 2 great game so close together, always loved em but they just never put out enough games
Post by: Mario on September 10, 2003, 08:03:13 PM
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1 Nintendo Game Boy Advance SP 38,800 1,614,300 (42,600)
2 S C E PlayStation 2 29,200 1,982,600 (35,300)
3 Nintendo Game Cube 16,800 503,100 (35,600)
4 Nintendo Game Boy Advance 8,100 1,040,000 (12,100)
5 S C E Playstation 531 54,800 ( 960)
6 Microsoft Xbox 530 73,000 ( 650)
7 Wonderswan Crystal 302 29,800 (------)
8 Wonderswan Color 90 15,200 (------)
Post by: MeddmaWamm on September 10, 2003, 08:24:50 PM
Post by: Hybrid Hunter on September 10, 2003, 09:08:11 PM
Wonder how software is going...
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 11, 2003, 04:32:35 AM
1. Movement Fighter Gundam Encounter Universe - 394,900 Total: 394,900 (PS2)
2. Mario Golf: Familiar Tour - 58,700 -Total: 58,700 (GC)
3. Sword of Mana - 51,800 -Total: 204,900 (GBA)
4. Legend of Stafi 2 - 51,700 -Total: 51,700 (GBA)
5. Tales of Symphonia - 44,900 -Total: 238,400 (GC)
6. Winning Eleven 7 - 41,100 -Total: 941,200 (PS2)
7. Winning Post 6 - 16,000 - Total: 50,000 (PS2)
8. The Baseball 2003 Battle Ballpark Declaration - 15,800 - Total: 15,800 (PS2)
9. Zoids II - 12,500 - Total: 12,500 (GC)
10.Pokémon Pinball Ruby & Sapphire - 11,500 - Total: 181,800 (GBA)
Sales for ToS are slumping, but that's still a large number...
Post by: Fish on September 11, 2003, 05:28:06 AM
Good to see Legend of Stafi selling well.(It's avarage is 100 in Gamerankings, after amazing 1 review.
