Post by: Bishman on September 01, 2003, 10:40:17 AM
DL : Yes, notably on Xbox. The game will be available on Xbox but not until 2004. The partnership with Microsoft isn’t exclusive and we will also see this game on the next consoles by Sony and Nintendo.
What is Nintendo doing these days. They are getting so many big name titles over for the GC and N5. Wow, I'm am really glad that Nintendo is being agrresive and get some big name titles.
BF1942 and HL2 = Ownage.
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 01, 2003, 10:51:12 AM
My computer's WAY too crappy to run anything remotely close to Half Life 2.
Post by: The Omen on September 01, 2003, 11:59:58 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on September 01, 2003, 12:07:22 PM
Post by: kennyb27 on September 01, 2003, 01:59:18 PM
QuoteBecause a gaming company is in the business for money, and they will make money on an Xbox version. Pretty simple idea.
If its on PS3 and N5 why even bother with the xbox version.
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on September 01, 2003, 02:36:40 PM
FPS's aren't great at all on consoles. The only thing FPS's are good for is multiplayer on consoles, IMO.
Post by: Mannypon on September 01, 2003, 02:59:05 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 01, 2003, 03:03:49 PM
Post by: mattcube on September 01, 2003, 04:34:15 PM
I must agree with mouse_clicker, PC FPS and console FPS are way different in terms of gameplay mechanics. But the way keyboards and mouse accessories are becoming needed more on consoles, I wouldn't be suprised if they're standard on N5 and PS3.
Post by: kennyb27 on September 01, 2003, 04:48:16 PM
QuoteI understand what you are saying but I seriously hope the developers wouldn't go this far. I've always been a firm believer that home gaming consoles stay as consoles and computers stay as computers--one reason that I believe online gaming should stay with computers. But that's another topic for another day...
But the way keyboards and mouse accessories are becoming needed more on consoles, I wouldn't be suprised if they're standard on N5 and PS3.
Post by: Mannypon on September 01, 2003, 05:14:06 PM
Post by: BrianSLA on September 01, 2003, 11:07:54 PM
Probably because UNLIKE the PS3 and N5, Half Life 2 will be on Xbox THIS generation and it will look pretty close to the PC version. And it's ship date is early 04'..... whereas the possible Sony and Nintendo versions won't be out until next generation. Ages.
>>Those systems will apparently sport some massive power that the box cannot compare with. <<
Well yes if you compare this generation's Xbox with NEXT generation's PS3 & N5...... yeah I really would hope for Sony & Nintendo's sake that they blow away a generation older console by then.
>>And no mention of MS's next system or why its not on that system instead of xbox. <<
Why no mention? Because it will be on THIS generation's console. The Xbox can handle HL2 now.
>> Maybe there will only be 2 systems next gen afterall. With the extra power of next gen consoles they might improve the game over the pc version. This could just mean that the X2 won't be out till 06 while the others will be out in 05<<
If there is only 2 consoles, it will be Sony and Microsoft. BUT no all three will have consoles and all will launch near simultaneously. All 3 consoles makers have said so.
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 02, 2003, 03:28:03 AM
Post by: Uglydot on September 02, 2003, 08:20:22 AM
Post by: BrianSLA on September 02, 2003, 11:34:34 AM
I am not trying to get in some Fanboy war, but I find it sad that someone is hyped about a game that will come out NEXT generation.... MANY years away. Seriously I think almost everyone will probably upgrade their PCs by then... assuming you have an old PC now like I do ( if you don't have an old PC you will probably run HL2 NOW as it only needs a P3 700mghz PC to run on low ) ...... many many years later, you will probably have enough dough to buy even a cheapo PC which by that time will be able to run HL2 / Doom 3 by then. My PC is an old hunk of junk ( P3 , 500mghz), I am currently waiting till around December to upgrade to a Power Game rig ( probable Alienware ). It is sad to be excited about a game that will be 2 years old by then. It is like getting excited that GTA3 will be on N5! BUT in addition this post went on to rag on Xbox but the Xbox will be the only console to get HL2 and Doom 3... and then basically says the Xbox is a weak console ( whereas the PS2 and NGC won't be getting either / running either ). I was just debating the post.
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 02, 2003, 11:36:14 AM
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on September 02, 2003, 04:03:22 PM
About HL 2 and Doom III on X-Box. They will look great, but not nearly as great as their PC counterparts. Just like Star wars KOTR, they are beefing up the graphics for the PC version. they'll just lower the power needed for the X-box versions.
Post by: Sirmorphix on September 02, 2003, 04:42:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Manny
fps are great on consoles, not as great as on pcs though but I wouldnt go so far as to say they arent great. Ive had ma share of sleepless nights with goldeneye back in the days and perfect dark, halo has been the only recent fps thats really been above the norm and somethin special like goldeneye was, on consoles.
I really can't quite agree with that. As someone who spent a lot of time gaming on both consoles and PCs I'd have to say that PC FPS are generally better. In general control is much sharper with a mouse than with a keyboard. For example, I don't know how many ex-dreamcast players there are here, but when PC users were able to hack into DC Quake III servers, DC players were getting slaughtered.
Regardless, to get HL2 looking awesome, it's probably better to just play it on the PC. The XBox version will no doubt be slightly stripped down from the PC version. Then again if you don't have a killer PC or just a middle of the road one, then maybe the XBox would be a good choice for HL2.
As for me I'm definately going the PC route. P4 3ghz, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (256), 1 Gig PC3200 DDR Ram... oh yes, it shall be sweet.
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 02, 2003, 04:59:19 PM
Post by: BrianSLA on September 06, 2003, 09:30:17 AM
John Carmack, the creator of DOOM 3, said so. I am not a technie but when the creator says the Xbox is the only console that DOOM 3 is possible on / he knows DOOM 3's tech specs, I'll take him on his word.
>> P4 3ghz, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (256), 1 Gig PC3200 DDR Ram... oh yes, it shall be sweet. <<
Yeah that is is a sweet rig ya got. I am tempted to go upgrade right now just for HL2 but I can wait awhile longer to get more bang for my buck / I am hoping for a 3.4 or 3.5 Ghz rig by December ..... better than current 3.2ghz. Or at the very least it will be cheaper.
Post by: Cap on September 06, 2003, 10:24:04 AM
of course, i could be completely wrong. i dont really know the individual strengths and weakness' of the systems, so maybe the xbox is better suited for doom3. i just have a hard time believing a claim from someone who has never done a single thing on the hardware. everthing i've seen shows that the gc and xbox are relatively close in terms of power, with certain developers being able to get amazing results out of either one.
Post by: Kyosho on September 06, 2003, 03:21:46 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 06, 2003, 03:39:53 PM
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John Carmack, the creator of DOOM 3, said so. I am not a technie but when the creator says the Xbox is the only console that DOOM 3 is possible on / he knows DOOM 3's tech specs, I'll take him on his word.
"John Carmack said so" isn't good enough for me- I want the hardcore technical explanation of exactly why Doom 3 is possible only on the XBox and no other console.
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on September 06, 2003, 04:39:21 PM
I doubt he would've imagined that fanboys would be on his ass for stating that. Otherwise, I think he would've said something more subtle.
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 06, 2003, 04:44:37 PM
Post by: RABicle on September 06, 2003, 06:26:55 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 06, 2003, 10:13:27 PM
I might get HL2 for the mods but not for the game itself. I didn't like HLs SP and I didn't see much of a story in there. Either way I'll ignore it on consoles.
Post by: BrianSLA on September 06, 2003, 10:53:09 PM
Ok I had to do some searching. But here are some quotes from various sources.
>> "...John Carmack said that the Xbox is the only console platform that id is "completely committed" to releasing Doom III on. Carmack further commented that the Xbox version will have the "full graphics fidelity" of the PC version, which made a major debut at this year's E3, where it won a number of awards." <<
>> While commenting on the Xbox port of Doom 3, Carmack stated that PS2 would not be able to handle Doom 3 graphics without "sacrifices", while Xbox port will look just as good as the PC counterpart. <<
>> John Carmack, id's lead programmer, commented that out of the current generation of console's, the game's graphics engine would be best adapted to the Xbox <<
Also Doom 3 REQUIRES a GeForce 3 card minimum. Basically of all the articles I've read, the Xbox version will be comparable to the PC version, thus it is the only version. If they want to dumb down the graphics to PS2 level, yeah there might be PS2 & Gamecube ports. The Xbox port will look like the PC version of Doom3, just like the Xbox version of Half Life 2 will look like the PC version ( except on high end 3 Ghz plus ultra maxed out high levels ). It is kind of funny in that alot of Gamecube fanboys comment that the Xbox is a stripped down PC and then don't want to believe it will get the cutting edge PC games.
As for power. The Xbox IS the most powerful of all three consoles. Gamecube fans want to say they are close to Xbox BUT if you look at muliplatform games specifically ported to each console, the Xbox version ALWAYS looks better. It isn't the significant and MASSIVE difference between Xbox and PS2, but the Xbox version does definitely look better.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 07, 2003, 04:26:21 AM
2. The XB will NOT be able to run D3 on full detail. It cannot even run UT2003 on full detail. Why? Well, UT2003 sometimes overfills my Radeon 8500's 64MB of vid mem. Considering that's the TOTAL amount of RAM in the XBox... Do I need to say more?
3. All of these quotes refer back to Carmack himself. But, JC never built a game for the GC or PS2. While it's out of question that the PS2 cannot handle D3 (no shaders, insufficient tex mem), it's not said it wouldn't work on GC.
4. HL2 uses no technology that can't be done by the GC. The polygon counts are definitely too high for any console to handle, but I assume the XB will use less polies/heavy LODing as well.
Post by: Qbric on October 10, 2003, 09:36:45 PM
We haven't seen the GCN maxed out yet. It's proposturous to consider playing the game on the N5. Maybe an enhanced version, sure, but the n5 is years off. Too long a period for a vanilla release of HL2.
Oh about the post contesting mouse superiority for FPS controls: Thats not true. Sony has already shown working prototypes of a wand that mirrors your arm movement on screen, vis a vis like a laser pointer. Gyration has a made a mouse thats on the market right now that does the same thing. In fact, I'm surfing the net right now with it with my feet on the desk. Well it just so happens that Nintendo invested like 10 million in that very company, concievably as a good faith gesture for a future joint venture. Console FPS control could be as accurate, but no one has stepped up with a product yet. Maybe Nintendo is waiting until the next console to release this? The gyro-mouse is bound to get a release next console cycle. Maybe it'll even be compatible with GCN.
Also, no one said the GCN is dead once N5 comes out. It's a little short sighted to assume this.
L8, y'all.
Post by: Grey Ninja on October 10, 2003, 09:45:45 PM
Doom III isn't possible on GameCube because it would be akin to porting Doom III to an Apple G4. Nobody wants to do that much work on a game intended for a PC. END OF FREAKING STORY.
The only reason it's so easy to port to Xbox is (surprise), Xbox FEATURES EXACTLY THE SAME ARCHITECTURE AS THE INTENDED PLATFORM FOR DOOM III.
Now I am right positive that everyone has already made up their mind that Xbox is more powerful because it has more me-ga-hu-rt-s, but whatever. I will tell you once again, that the difference in power between an Xbox and a GameCube is truly negligable.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 10, 2003, 11:26:52 PM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on October 11, 2003, 07:41:56 AM
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But the way keyboards and mouse accessories are becoming needed more on consoles, I wouldn't be suprised if they're standard on N5 and PS3.
I will NEVER play a game that requires a mouse and keyboard. I hate PC games for that reason and that reason alone.
Post by: Qbric on October 11, 2003, 08:54:13 AM
Mice suck for computing IMO. Can you imagine driving a car with drop down menus? This is very similar to todays popular GUIs. They work swell for POV (point of view) rotation, ala FPS, but its a limited mind set that believes this is an optimal controller. How great can it be if you require a table for it to work?
Fortunatley this is a recognized problem and there are many on the case. The P5 comes to mind, also I saw this touch sensitive keyboard that doubled as a mouse that promises to hit my pocketbook at some point.
If you could design your ideal input, for computers and consoles alike (versatility is a sign of good design, remember), what would you make?
I personally would like a small (10") 640x480 touchscreen to launch apps and display command prompts on, and then have my main hi-res monitor (or 2) up on the desk. I would then mesh the touchscreen with voice recognition and a gesture pad mounted on my arm rest. It would look akin to a captains command post.
Post by: Sonic69 on October 11, 2003, 09:22:22 AM
It's looking remarkably like Sega's problems with the Dreamcast
Post by: PIAC on October 11, 2003, 03:55:38 PM
those people who have a sencere dislike for PC games (ie cubed) aside, pc and console users would be silly to pick up half life 2 for console, for the fact that once you have played HL2 to death you then have the abundance of mods to play, ie cs2 tf2 dod2 etc, unless ofcourse your PC isn't strong enough to run it, but then i would suggest saving to upgrade
Post by: KDR_11k on October 11, 2003, 11:32:39 PM
