Post by: Hostile Creation on August 29, 2003, 01:30:04 PM
http://www.christiananswers.net/spotlight/games/2003/windwaker.html
Most of the Gamecube reviews in there are pretty fair and decent (read MP, SFA, SSBM, and SMS), but this one is just ridiculous. What kind of idiot likes a game, but brings it back to the store because the Great Fairies are vaugely remiscent of Shiva? Anyway, try reading the article and telling your take on this. . .
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 29, 2003, 01:52:11 PM
Post by: kennyb27 on August 29, 2003, 02:04:50 PM
Post by: slacker on August 29, 2003, 02:23:11 PM
Post by: The Omen on August 29, 2003, 02:33:42 PM
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For those that think a 2 is too harsh, I would have given this a 1 except for the fact that I felt this game didn't deserve to be placed in the ranks of Diablo and Grand Theft Auto III. If it weren't for the praying bit, I'd have given this a 3 and would probably still have the game.
That just takes the cake. I'm catholic, although non-practicing. I dont find anything wrong with ANY of these games mentioned. They're entertainment. Don't like it? Don't buy it. I can let him slide a little on GTA, but even that is stretching it.
It's just more of the norm-these people have no idea about real life, just fantasy worlds. My friend is just like that, and we have arguments all the time. Just forget it, you cant win.
Post by: PIAC on August 29, 2003, 02:50:59 PM
Post by: rpglover on August 29, 2003, 02:59:37 PM
well hopefully hell is nice.......
Post by: PIAC on August 29, 2003, 03:16:57 PM
oh wait, so am i :\ i spose likeing harry potter will cause my eternal damnation aswell, ohwell, these things happen
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 29, 2003, 04:10:45 PM
Post by: Ridley on August 29, 2003, 04:57:18 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 29, 2003, 05:11:08 PM
Did you guys click the "DO NOT CLICK" link? Haha, it sas that we gave into tempation like Adam and Eve and other stuff, I went like this "Ha!"
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 29, 2003, 06:45:49 PM
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Post by: Termin8Anakin on August 30, 2003, 03:27:09 AM
I'm christian (
i didn't put it in capital letters! Off to hell i go!), but i seriously can't be arsed going to church every sunday (or saturday night). I have to cause mum makes me.I think this guy is taking games TOO seriously. Dissing Zelda for it's 'sinful content', but praising games like GTA3 is taking it a bit too far.
Post by: Shift Key on August 30, 2003, 04:01:04 AM
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For those that think a 2 is too harsh, I would have given this a 1 except for the fact that I felt this game didn't deserve to be placed in the ranks of Diablo and Grand Theft Auto III.
He's referring to the Christian Rating, which means a lower rating is more anti-Christ or something. So he's putting it above Diablo and GTA3.
As for religion, I'm the skeptic/religious basher. I hear a whole heap of Christianity stuff from friends who are in church, and I've listened, but it doesn't add up. They say it gives answers, but after five years at a religious school, it still left questions.
Funny story, we had a week of Christian lectures with weird names, such as "Religion Sux", "Bad People Go To Heaven", and "He Knows Where You Live", at Uni a week or so ago. Now I steered way clear of these, but a friend of mine who went told me a funny story.
At the lecture of "Bad People Go To Heaven," the people showed a video of people answering questions. One question came up, "Who do you think goes to heaven?" and this was one of the responses...
"Ummm, everyone. Except those people with the shifty eyes."
Ah well. I hope there's a thermostat in hell.
Post by: rpglover on August 30, 2003, 04:43:49 AM
i too am a christian- i just havent been to mass for so long though- i believe in the morals and the values that they have when they say mass, its just that i dont like mass that much- i know that sounds bad, but i just dont like the way mass is structured- it is the same thing every week- but that is just how i feel
Post by: Pale on August 30, 2003, 06:07:55 AM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on August 30, 2003, 06:28:46 AM
All I have to say for people like that is: Mr ___, at no point during your rambelling responce, was there anything that resembled a logical answer...., I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 30, 2003, 02:35:33 PM
I don't like ultra religious "God will strike you down if you have fun" bastards, but I dislike religion-bashers just as much, so avoid doing that. You can attack an individual person in a religion for his beliefs, but you have no right to attack the concept, because it's no more or less reasonable than whatever you believe in. And that's coming from a neutral standpoint. So I despise this guy, but saying Christianity is stupid is dumb.
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 30, 2003, 03:41:19 PM
Regardless, these are my views alone and I don't want to start a flame war or even a debate- I might even get banned for discussing an off-limits topic.
Post by: PIAC on August 30, 2003, 04:29:33 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 31, 2003, 05:35:06 AM
I am an atheist/agnostic. I say both, because I allow for a possiblity of there actually being a God, but my magic 8 ball says that all signs point to no, making me effectively an atheist, and in a theological debate, I will always side with the atheists.
My main reason for hating religions is that they don't encourage enlightenment. Religions tell you exactly what's what, and don't allow for any departure from what they tell you. What they tell you is the "truth", and if you disbelieve them, you are a sinner and stand a good chance of going to hell for that. If I go to hell for that, then I don't want to go to heaven. Every astoundingly intelligent man in history it seems has been attacked by the Church. Galileo, Copernicus, Darwin, Newton, and the list goes on and on. The majority of wars and acts of genocide in the world have been brought on by intense religious beliefs. Almost EVERYONE will attack religions. The difference between an atheist and a theist is simple. The theist will attack all religions that aren't his own, and will sometimes kill to protect his god and beliefs. The atheist will attack them all, but I have yet to see a case where an atheist would kill to protect his belief.
I just have a problem with religions because they brainwash their followers with a bunch of BELIEFS that they are expected to treat as fact. I don't think this is healthy considering the side effects that are all too common. Ask any fundamentalist Christian about Darwin for a case example of what I am talking about.
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 31, 2003, 08:56:41 AM
What he said.
I especially agree with this quote:
"I am an atheist/agnostic. I say both, because I allow for a possiblity of there actually being a God, but my magic 8 ball says that all signs point to no, making me effectively an atheist, and in a theological debate, I will always side with the atheists."
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 31, 2003, 09:16:58 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 31, 2003, 01:45:06 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 31, 2003, 02:09:20 PM
Which do you think is more reasonable?
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 31, 2003, 03:32:52 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 31, 2003, 04:05:39 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 31, 2003, 04:10:19 PM
Well everyone has their own opinions and beliefs that seperate themselves from one another. Can't stop that.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 01, 2003, 08:50:29 AM
I honestly believe that the meaning of life is to have as much fun as possible while allowing others to also do so (if they deserve it
). So I may not seem entirely serious during a religious debate.
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 01, 2003, 08:51:44 AM
And Bill, whether or not there is a creator is a big decision- coming down on somebody because they can't choose one way or the other is not only mean but hypocritical because I guarantee you everyone here who does believe has doubted their faith before. Even atheists doubt whether they're right or not from time to time.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 01, 2003, 10:27:08 AM
Here I am firing blanks while everyone else has live ammo...
Post by: RABicle on September 02, 2003, 05:06:12 AM
I'm athetist, but i have to admit that i do occasionally question myself, (as mouse clicker was saying) but i just couldn't follow any sort of religion.
Post by: yellowfellow on September 04, 2003, 08:15:14 AM
a man dies and is taken up into heaven. at the gates he meets st. peter and they walk side-by-side through a long hallway. thy soon come up to a room and the man looks through the window. he sees a bunch of people talking and laughing and generally happy. the man asks st. peter, "what's going on in here?". st. peter replies, "these are people of the jewish faith, they are happy and celebrating because after many years of suffering they have made it to God's kingdom... come lets us go in and join them". so they went int o the room and enoyed the company of the people. soon after, they left the room and continued down the hall. they arrived at another door, and the man looked inside. he saw people meditating and praying. "who are in here?" the man asked. st. peter replied "these are the Hindus who have been reincarnated for many centuries and have now achieved their nirvana, come let us meditate". so the two went in and reflected on life. finally, they both left and continued on down the hall. after a long walk they reached another door and the man looked inside to see many people praying and celebrating. "and who are these people?", asked the man. "shhhhhh..." hushed st. peter and quietly whispered "these are the christians... they think they are the only religion up here"
it cracks me up when people refuse to acknowledge that there are other beliefs and truths to the world.
however, i do think his review was fair because hey, it's his review... not mine... his views contrast with mine but go hand in hand with others so whatever.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 04, 2003, 11:13:28 AM
Post by: vudu on September 04, 2003, 11:38:07 AM
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Closing lines for the Final Fantasy VII review: Many Christians might find much of this material too offensive, and should probably avoid most RPGs altogether. I, however, enjoyed the game, and would recommend it only to strong Christians, who would not be influenced by many of the ideas presented.
Post by: nolimit19 on September 04, 2003, 12:37:25 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 04, 2003, 12:47:57 PM
it's entirely up to u though.
Post by: nolimit19 on September 04, 2003, 12:53:28 PM
Post by: kennyb27 on September 04, 2003, 05:18:42 PM
QuoteToo bad that's not what most Christians believe, or you would have a nice point going there
"these are the christians... they think they are the only religion up here"
it cracks me up when people refuse to acknowledge that there are other beliefs and truths to the world.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on September 04, 2003, 05:27:47 PM
This is why I usually stay out of these kind of topics...They always end in flame wars and philosophical discussions. -_-
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 05, 2003, 01:57:16 PM
Yeah, tons of religions are much less tolerant than Christians. In fact, I daresay all of the major religions are. But Christians are generally more open about their hate, and so there are a few idiots that no one can stand. Those being the ones that write reviews like that and stuff.
I am going to go play F-Zero. HAVE FUN!
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 05, 2003, 02:38:59 PM
I also have a problem with generalizations- saying Christians are intolerant of other peoples is not only stupid and ignorant but closed minded. On the other side of the issue, saying they ARE tolerant of other peoples is equally as stupid and ignorant. Joining a religion does not make you a bigot or prejudiced, although those are usually the only ones you ever here about (if your religion is working properly, it's not making the 6 o'clock news). Similarly (and I'm not accusing anyone of this), NOT belonging to a religion does not mean you lack morals. Individuals make their own decisions over whether or not they're going to tolerate other groups of people and you can't blame their actions on their religion. Yes, a lot of terrorists are Islamic but that doesn't mean Islam is a terrorist religion (which seems to be the popular view right now). A good portion of Muslims are good, honest, hardworking people, but, like I said, they're not the ones who make the news, the suicide bombers are. Just take care not to generalize groups of people, because it makes you look very hypocritical and prejudiced yourself.
Post by: nolimit19 on September 05, 2003, 03:23:31 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 05, 2003, 03:29:58 PM
Post by: nolimit19 on September 05, 2003, 03:45:14 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 05, 2003, 03:47:49 PM
And you religious affililiation means little to me- I know a catholic guy who's more cynical about religion than 90% of you here.
Post by: nolimit19 on September 05, 2003, 03:58:52 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 05, 2003, 04:03:52 PM
And my last comment had nothing to do with what the catholics or muslims or christians have done- I was simply pointing out that just because you're Christian doesn't mean you won't come down on Christians for certain things. My friend, who is a catholic, regards the catholic church as a cult- saying you're Christian and therefor cannot bash Christians is meaningless to me. I'd respond to you the same were Christian, Islamic, Hindu, Native American, whatever- it doesn't matter to me.
Post by: nolimit19 on September 05, 2003, 04:13:46 PM
Post by: yellowfellow on September 05, 2003, 06:56:14 PM
i am christian myself, my joke IS a generalization but not what i believe and is more poking fun at those that do believe christianity is the ONLY truth... in fact if i remember correctly, my priest is the one who told me that joke.
the thing is, the only thing separating a cult and a religion is political power.
Post by: RABicle on September 05, 2003, 11:39:12 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 06, 2003, 04:07:58 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on September 06, 2003, 07:20:03 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 06, 2003, 07:58:34 AM
Okay then, that's good enough for me.
Sorry for our scuffle. 
Post by: nolimit19 on September 06, 2003, 04:40:05 PM
Post by: Smithy on September 06, 2003, 10:51:53 PM
As a Christian myself I can't see ignoring this thread now I have read it. There are so many posts I don't know where to start. Though I invite anyone who has any questions about God or Christianity to please PM me, or post a message. I really want to share my beliefs with anyone who seeks answers. I hope some of you will respond. PM's are welcome. and God Bless.
Post by: Bloodworth on September 07, 2003, 03:10:49 AM
