Post by: snorgasmo on August 21, 2003, 11:09:56 AM
- put connectivity on the backburner. not only has it failed to catch on, but it's very apparent to the general population that the idea is still under development. slip connectivity under the covers until such a time that an idea is developed that will truly blow people away and THEN reintroduce it. it's just too gimmicky right now.
- online. even though i personally have little or no interest in this aspect of console gaming, it's become clear that there is a pretty large market for it. since hosting servers would cost money and nintendo clearly does not want to charge money for people to play online games, the only solution would be to release server software alongside online games. it's safe to assume that anyone that has internet also has a computer. provide a means for people to start their own servers. the most nintendo would need to do is provide a central list of all active servers that people can try to connect to. this will encourage communities to bloom, and could be a temporary solution until a more solid online plan is formed.
- shinji mikami has stated he would like to work on a nintendo franchise. and even though it's in the very capable hands of retro, i can't help but feel that a shinji mikami developed 3rd person metroid game would kick some serious ass. the first person perspective probably put off a lot of metroid fans even though it was executed almost perfectly. a 3rd person perspective would have a broader appeal and almost guarantee more casual gamer interest.
- a grown up pokemon. the pokemon gameplay is tried and true. it's obvious that people still love the sons of bitches. however, the kids are growing up. as such a second line of pokemon games should come out with darker monster designs and a deeper storyline. while the cutesy pokemon continue to appease school children, the new pokemon will intrigue gamers that have always wondered why everyone loves the games so much, but were too afraid to check it out due to the kiddy nature of it.
- realistic link. as much as i love the cel-shaded link there is clearly a huge demand for a realistic link. nintendo would be wise to appease these rabid fans with what they've been hoping for since majora's mask. making it a launch title with the next nintendo console will almost ensure the system will have a quick start and an immediate impact in gamers' minds.
- zelda rpg. with square enix still unsure whether nintendo's home console is a viable platform to develop for, give them a huge license to play with that will almost guarantee huge sales by name association alone. the zelda universe is deep enough that square can craft a deep and involving storyline and maybe they would see fit to finally give link a voice as well. do away with the excessive cinematics and spoken dialogue and deliver a solid battle system and this game will fly off the shelves benefitting both square enix and nintendo. win win situation, and an investment worth making.
- mario's return to 2d. i don't care what you think of mario64 and mariosunshine. those are great games. however, we can all agree that the absolute best mario games have been 2D... the next mario game should return to the 2D plane even if it must use 3D graphics (think viewtiful joe) ... not only will this eliminate the need to program an intelligent camera (a major gripe with the 3d marios) but it will be a return to the series' roots which is something that many people would appreciate. making it a launch title for the next system alongside a realistic zelda will be a huge blow to the competition.
- hire a new graphic design team. the domestic box art for nintendo's games need work. box art should be eyecatching and stand out on the shelves. as it stands nintendo's games fade in alongside the mass of crappy 3rd party ports. they don't prompt people to pick up the box and check it out and thus there are fewer impulse buys by casual gamers.
- ENSURE multiplatform 3rd party titles have a little something extra for gamecube owners. in exchange nintendo should advertise these games for the 3rd party, STRESSING the console specific features... making it apparent that the nintendo version is the version to own. this will help 3rd party game sales on the gamecube, an area which is sorely lacking.
- develop new franchises that have a broader appeal. imagine a new nintendo platformer starring a spikey haired wolverine with a cocky smirk, an ever present scowl, fangs, and sharp claws tearing through an army of killer robotic monkeys... tell me that wouldn't be a good time. basically nintendo has gotten way too comfortable staying within the confines of their established franchises. time to push some boundaries!
i could probably think of a few more.. but uhh.. i should probably leave some room for other people's ideas.
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on August 21, 2003, 11:45:59 AM
Post by: Buster Wolf X on August 21, 2003, 12:10:26 PM
If I ran nintendo......I'll do like "Nintendo,we publicity!!" Stupid companies always give away their GOOD games to that Flat piece of crap PS2 and the FAT xbox and not GC!!!! They always give nintendo their "kiddie" games,and I hate that!! Nintendo needs to rise up again!!!
Post by: Buster Wolf X on August 21, 2003, 12:11:53 PM
If I ran nintendo......I'll do like "Nintendo,we publicity!!" Stupid companies always give away their GOOD games to that Flat piece of crap PS2 and the FAT xbox and not GC!!!! They always give nintendo their "kiddie" games,and I hate that!! Nintendo needs to rise up again!!!
Post by: Wolverine02 on August 21, 2003, 01:03:32 PM
-create a few franchises that would be rated M to get rid of kiddy image
-Keep connectivity,but let it give you better things.
ex.-If you use connectivity during Zelda,you would be able to do things like breate underwater and fly with your boat.Because noboby wants to play as Tingle.
-Make the next console platinuim, not purple or black because black is being overused.
-Find a way for the next console to play mini-discs,while being able to play dvds&cds.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 21, 2003, 03:10:27 PM
Post by: Michael8983 on August 21, 2003, 05:03:35 PM
The GCN was practically tied with the XBox until the previous holiday season when it really fell behind because MS started giving away TWO free games with its console. A move which Nintendo did NOTHING to counter-attack. Not until AFTER the holiday season when it started giving away just ONE free game. MS simply gave consumers a much better deal and it worked.
If Nintendo had matched the offer and started giving away two free games last year, I'm confident the Gamecube would have beaten the XBox over the holiday season - at the very least, it almost certainly would have kept the XBox from gaining any kind of notable lead.
As for Europe. The GCN was actually doing a lot better than the XBox up until MS gave Europeans an even more generous bonus offer than the one in the US. Not only that but it made sure to get Splinter Cell out in time for Christmas while Nintendo's Metroid Prime was delayed into the new year.
Nintendo's main problem is it just hasn't been aggressive enough. It needs to match any of its competitors' offers and make sure it gets its games out as soon as possible to as many markets as possible.
Fortunately, Nintendo seems to have realized its mistakes. It's supposably making the very aggressive move of dropping the price of the GCN to a very competitive $99 later this year and most of the big holiday titles for the US are scheduled to make it to Europe before the end of the year too.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 21, 2003, 09:01:30 PM
2. Organize a brainstorming session on the uses of connectivity. Though I doubt one could do much more with it than displaying individual data in multiplayer. Maybe coop games where the goals of the plyers conflict and you have to backstab your "friends" sometimes?
3. Less sequels, more new games. Probably with new franchises as well. Not M-rated, though. The rating says nothing about the maturity of a game (some Sailor Moon episodes are rated 18+ here!) and some markets are intolerant towards violent games (if I understood Miyamoto right, Japan doesn't like that...). Also, so far the only people I've seen wanting high ratings are the US citizens, it's a lot different in countries where the age minimums are actually enforced. Heck, I'm not even legally allowed to buy GTA3 here!
4. More RPGs. With RPGs you can rule Japan, which means more support from japanese developers and a good chance to convince other markets of the importance of your console.
Post by: dogman85 on August 21, 2003, 11:25:07 PM
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3. Less sequels, more new games. Probably with new franchises as well. Not M-rated, though. The rating says nothing about the maturity of a game (some Sailor Moon episodes are rated 18+ here!) and some markets are intolerant towards violent games (if I understood Miyamoto right, Japan doesn't like that...). Also, so far the only people I've seen wanting high ratings are the US citizens, it's a lot different in countries where the age minimums are actually enforced. Heck, I'm not even legally allowed to buy GTA3 here!
My thoughts exactly on what is one of Nintendo's main problems. Nearly every game people are excited about is a sequel of a well known franchise...zelda, star fox, donkey kong(a), the many many mario games. Pikmin was a good start, but it still has a very kiddyish type appeal to the general public. The Nintendo name alone will sell tons of copies to fans, just like the Square name does (even if the game is crap - Unlimited Saga). However, Nintendo has to look at some new ventures for games, like different styles of action, or something with more in depth multiplayer (much like super smash melee, not like mario party x).
Now, first, the PS2 also has alot of sequels, although many of them have very distinct new gameplay features. MGS3 has jungles, a different main character and time setting, GT4 offers online, and things like that. SOCOM 2 and Jak 2 are also sequels, but keep in mind these franchises only began this generation. Jak & Dexter, Ratchet & Clank, these are new platforming franchises that many ppl have enjoyed immensly. Sony succeeded last generation with Crash Bandicoot as a platformers, but now they have new platformers, and are still succeeding
Second, the Xbox seems to have the most new franchises that people are generally exciting about. While obviously Halo 2 is the biggest hit, it does offer online, which alone will be a huge selling point. However, the 'Box also has Fable, Sudeki, Crimson Skies(i know there's one on PC), Ninja Gaiden (hasn't been seen in a long time), BC, not to mention big name PC titles like Deus Ex 2, Half Life 2, and Doom 3. Xbox Live and XSN sports are also major innovations in the industry.
Nintendo also gets the short end of the stick, because not only have people been playing these popular franchises as of last generation, they've been playing them for 4 generations now. Nintendo's focus has always been on gameplay, rather than innovation, depending on well known franchises to sell. This is much like Blizzard in the PC world, but Blizzard will continue to succeed in that world because of the fact that the PC gaming market is shrinking, while the console market is becoming more competitive. If Nintendo, much like Blizzard, chose to create a new franchise, people would flock to it.
Geist seems to be a game worthy of such recognition, but from the vids, the graphics appear to be far below any other fps, and the primary concept is stolen from Messiah. Had Nintendo simply developed the game themselves, rather than handed it to some no name developer in Florida, people would be hyping this game so much more.
The only other games leading Nintendo's innovation table seem to be coming from Capcom, with Viewtiful Joe and
Killer 7 (PN03 is crap).
Depending on their franchises worked well for the SNES, not so well for N64, and has continued on the downward spiral for the GC. Unless Nintendo gets the innovation gears runnin, I predict the GC2 will be Ninty's last ditch effort at the home console world.
P.S. Online would be a good start too
Post by: Kaj'oin on August 22, 2003, 04:15:11 AM
Post by: RABicle on August 22, 2003, 04:44:58 AM
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Post by: egman on August 22, 2003, 07:54:32 AM
I also agree with Michael8983 that Nintendo has not been as responsive in the past to deals that Sony and MS had. Just because the machine is 50 dolloars less than the competition, that doesn't mean people are going to see more value in it. Nintendo missed an oppunity last last winter, and when the finally did a bundle it was rather half-assed. If I was running the show I would have given customers the choice of either two games or a game and the GB player. Fortunately, Nintendo can right that mistake by doing something similar this coming winter, especially witt he knock out line-up that on the horizon.
Like KDR_11k, I would also push for more experimental development. Nintendo has an image problem, and the best way for them to shake it is to widen or redefine that image. They need to push for more new experinces like Pikmin and Animal Crossing, or introduce stuff that the wider Nintendo audience may not know Nintendo created because they haven't touch that IP in awhile (Punchout for example) or it has remained in Japan till now (Wars series, Fire Emblem).
I don't think making a mature rated game will do much for them, and as a matter of fact it would probably backfire as diehard fans may feel Nintendo is chaning too much to pander to shallow tastes while other gamers might see the effort as weak cash-in from someone who has strongly fought against this trend of mature gaming. Besides, one never knows what the next big thing will be--before GTA3, Pokemon and similar pet games were the rage. Nintendo became the market leader because they purposely went against convention, but that is something that have kind of lost during this gen. Fortunately, Iwata and Miyamoto seem to sense that, so I think we will see greater changes leading up to the next console, which hopefully by then they will be fully prepared to shock and awe gamers with a much more diverse image.
Post by: THF on August 22, 2003, 12:12:26 PM
FREE MMO Pokemon = 2nd 6 billion dollar chest
If not pokemon, then a MMO Zelda/Mario/Star Fox etc. Actually, I think a MMO FZero would be really cool. You could design your own craft and have races, enter grand prix etc. I think even an online Super Smash Bros. would be good enough to catapult their next system to the top. On second thought, they'd need both a MMO game and SSB online. Most importantly, make them FREE, and easy to get online.
Nintendo should also fire whoever their advertising agency is, and spend more money into getting their system seen everywhere. If they did that, they should stress the FREE and easy to setup online system and games in all of their ads.
Problem solved.
Post by: THF on August 22, 2003, 12:14:38 PM
FREE MMO Pokemon = 2nd 6 billion dollar chest
If not pokemon, then a MMO Zelda/Mario/Star Fox etc. Actually, I think a MMO FZero would be really cool. You could design your own craft and have races, enter grand prix etc. I think even an online Super Smash Bros. would be good enough to catapult their next system to the top. On second thought, they'd need both a MMO game and SSB online. Most importantly, make them FREE, and easy to get online.
Nintendo should also fire whoever their advertising agency is, and spend more money into getting their system seen everywhere. If they did that, they should stress the FREE and easy to setup online system and games in all of their ads.
Problem solved.
Post by: snorgasmo on August 22, 2003, 12:23:58 PM
so how does nintendo continue to give loyal nintendo gamers what they want (established franchises) while diversifying their portfolio so that their "kiddy" games are dilluted a bit by other games? normally, third parties should help in this aspect, but we've learned that this simply isn't the case for nintendo consoles as third parties don't believe "mature" titles will sell well on the system or that the primary audience for gamecube are children.
so, i dunno what nintendo's new tokyo studio is responsible for, but nintendo definately needs to open a new in house development house or two that will specialize in crafting games that contrast their current "cartoony" style while keeping the same emphasis on gameplay... and i don't mean blood and guts and death and satan and shooting hookers, but definately ediger titles than what we've come to expect from nintendo. perhaps more story-oriented titles. some deep plotlines to compliment the fluff we're used to. basically i would have nintendo diversify it's inhouse portfolio. this is so obvious that it doesn't need to be said and i can't understand why nintendo hasn't acted on this, but it's important to keep the family friendly games, but also give something to those that want something MORE.
yay.
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 22, 2003, 12:30:55 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 22, 2003, 01:47:10 PM
I hate threads like this. You'll never be head of Nintendo, and if you were, you'd screw everything up and the company would go out of business. So shut up.
Post by: snorgasmo on August 22, 2003, 02:01:20 PM
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
I agree with Fish.
I hate threads like this. You'll never be head of Nintendo, and if you were, you'd screw everything up and the company would go out of business. So shut up.
no one's forcing you to read this, tough guy... you can easily grunt and scratch your armpits somewhere else.
the idea is to hear what fellow nintendo fans want to see from the company. no one here is daydreaming about actually taking the reigns... i hope.
on that note, if i was running nintendo i would make the next system have divx movie playback. for what purpose, i will leave up to your imagination.
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 22, 2003, 02:18:54 PM
No, you see my point is that you have no idea what you're talking about, so it's best not to talk about it. If anyone has the right to run Nintendo, it's me
I don't mind you. . . there are plenty of people that start threads like, some of whom I enjoy talking to. The threads are just pointless and annoying.
Post by: AgentSeven on August 22, 2003, 05:12:57 PM
I would tell people things like the REAL reason Nintendo broke away from $ony when the were co-developing the ill-fated "Nintendo Playstation." Nintendo learned that it's "partner" had a dirty trick up it's sleeve. $ony, the electronics giant, was planning a hostile take over of Nintendo, using shares of stock that the company would acquire in the proposed partnership. Nintendo would have nothing to do with this treachery, so they pulled out the day the system was to be announced.
I would tell people the only reason that $ony has ever had success is because it stole it's best ideas from Nintendo.
Post by: egman on August 23, 2003, 05:14:36 AM
Post by: GaimeGuy on August 23, 2003, 09:14:01 PM
Post by: AgentSeven on August 24, 2003, 09:19:23 AM
Get your facts straight. I was there when this happened...Unfortunately I was working for the enemy at the time.
Post by: PIAC on August 24, 2003, 10:24:52 AM
i could sit here and bitch about how bill gates stole ideas from workbench and mac's os to make windows, but that wont really change the fact that yes windows is here and workbench is not.
Post by: AgentSeven on August 24, 2003, 11:45:13 AM
I.E. launching the Sega Saturn early, sticking w/ cartridge format, etc...
However the reason I wan't to spread the truth is because of people like the ignorant PIAC.
40-50 million consoles? PLEASE! That is the single most ignorant thing I have ever heard. $ony is famous for LYING about how big is suppossed installed base is. They also like to quote the number of consoles SHIPPED and not SOLD. There's a BIG difference. I can see where you get your flawed math from, the $ony Public Relations Dept.
People need to know the truth and here it is. $ony is only in the lead because of lies and dirty tricks.
They spend the most money on advertising and they practically own the opinions of almost every video game magazine. They win because they act like a mind control juggernaut. I can't tell you how many superior Dreamcast games would get dumped on by the critics, only to have a crappy, inferior Ps2 version of the same game show up and it would recieve rave reviews. PLEASE!
That and their best franchises came from the 3rd parties that got their start on the NES and Super Nes. They stole their best ideas from the masters and now they are paying for it. They have nothing of their own. They couldn't make a good game if they tried. And now that their best franchises are returning to other systems, they are in BIG trouble. (I.E. Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Madden, Tony Hawk, Mega Man, Castlevania, etc, etc, etc....)
Finally, why complain about this now? Well because younger gamers desrve to know the truth. Also, you may not realize this, but $ony is in a crisis point. NO ONE expects the Ps3 to be No#1 during the next round of video game wars. They also failed in destroying Nintendo and M$ has gained significant ground on the once untouchable $ony.
I doubt very much that $ony will stay numerber one. Reminding people that they are a joke who stole their best ideas from someone else only helps to drive home the fact that $ony's day is coming to an end.
ps. Mac sucks anyway
Post by: PIAC on August 24, 2003, 04:25:23 PM
i don't really see your point how ever, if sony (and ffs spell it SONY, not $ony, that looks stupid) arn't going to be number one in the next generation, why bother 'exposing the truth to all the ignorant people (like me)'
Post by: jj_frap on August 24, 2003, 04:28:32 PM
I'd end all territorial lock-out on my products, charge every region of the world the same price, stop bitching when people pirate games not even released in their region, and not censor North American and European localizations on my products.
Post by: jj_frap on August 24, 2003, 06:58:39 PM
Post by: Chibi Kuririn on August 25, 2003, 03:55:28 AM
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Originally posted by: AgentSeven
The only reason Nintendo, or Sega for that matter, isn't number #1 is because both companies decided to take "idiot pills" and they collectively made some of the worst decisions in business history.
I.E. launching the Sega Saturn early, sticking w/ cartridge format, etc...
However the reason I wan't to spread the truth is because of people like the ignorant PIAC.
40-50 million consoles? PLEASE! That is the single most ignorant thing I have ever heard. $ony is famous for LYING about how big is suppossed installed base is. They also like to quote the number of consoles SHIPPED and not SOLD. There's a BIG difference. I can see where you get your flawed math from, the $ony Public Relations Dept.
People need to know the truth and here it is. $ony is only in the lead because of lies and dirty tricks.
They spend the most money on advertising and they practically own the opinions of almost every video game magazine. They win because they act like a mind control juggernaut. I can't tell you how many superior Dreamcast games would get dumped on by the critics, only to have a crappy, inferior Ps2 version of the same game show up and it would recieve rave reviews. PLEASE!
That and their best franchises came from the 3rd parties that got their start on the NES and Super Nes. They stole their best ideas from the masters and now they are paying for it. They have nothing of their own. They couldn't make a good game if they tried. And now that their best franchises are returning to other systems, they are in BIG trouble. (I.E. Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Madden, Tony Hawk, Mega Man, Castlevania, etc, etc, etc....)
Finally, why complain about this now? Well because younger gamers desrve to know the truth. Also, you may not realize this, but $ony is in a crisis point. NO ONE expects the Ps3 to be No#1 during the next round of video game wars. They also failed in destroying Nintendo and M$ has gained significant ground on the once untouchable $ony.
I doubt very much that $ony will stay numerber one. Reminding people that they are a joke who stole their best ideas from someone else only helps to drive home the fact that $ony's day is coming to an end.
ps. Mac sucks anyway
Whoever this guy was replying to got pwned in one hit.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on August 25, 2003, 04:17:38 AM
how about providing us with links to these conspiracy theories of yours?
This sounds to me like a bunch of rubbish, as a stock broker for the last 8 years, I know how these things works and this just doesn't sound plausible.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on August 25, 2003, 04:21:12 AM
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Well because younger gamers desrve to know the truth
Most gamers DONT care. most gamers are casual gamers and could care less who makes what.
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NO ONE expects the Ps3 to be No#1 during the next round of video game wars.
LOL, you should speak to analysts before saying that, EVERYONE expects Sony to continue it dominance.
Post by: PIAC on August 25, 2003, 10:20:32 AM
at any rate, i hardly consider what agentsevet posted 'pwned' me in one hit, alot of hot air and garbage if you ask me, but then im the ignorant one. </end argument>
Post by: AgentSeven on August 25, 2003, 11:24:49 AM
Here's an item from the Wall Street Journal. It's a couple of months old and I'm not quoting them exactly, but here's the general idea of what they said about the future of $ony...
Essentialy what they said was this. With the weakining of $ony's major franchises, their inferior hardware capabilities, and the fact that they have flooded the market with sequels, the WSJ expects that over %60 of $ony's current user base will choose either a Nintendo or a Microsoft system during the next round of console wars. %60!!!!! These are that same casual gamers you speak of. I must also point out that the WSJ accurately predicited the downfall of Nintendo back in 95, when they decided to stick with cartridges instead of using optical media.
NO ONE expects $ony to continue their dominance. This is the end. What I'm saying here is just another "nail in the coffin." Everyone thought Atari, Sega, and Nintendo would stay at the top for ever, lol!
Also cannuck, I've seen all your other posts and you seem to have some issue with Nintendo. Well if you do, too bad. Gamers DO care about the state of their industry, even if you don't, and loyal Nintendo fans deserve the truth.
I won't even get into the fact that many, many 3rd party software companies HATE $ony, or the fact that there are major procution issues with the PSP, or even the gentleman's agreement between M$ and Nintendo. The future doesn't look well for $ony
If the two of you desire another intellectual beating, just let me know
ps. you did get "pwned" in one hit
Post by: thecubedcanuck on August 25, 2003, 01:54:43 PM
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Actually Canuck, you and Piac should actually read a financial investment page, or the Wall Street Journal for that matter. Then you won't sound so foolish
LMAO, I am a bond trader for a living, you are too funny.
Post by: AgentSeven on August 25, 2003, 03:48:03 PM
What I said about $ony losing %60 of it's installed base should sound familiar to you. It's the truth and it was widely reported.
If you haven't, well, I'd hate to be your client....
By the way, what firm do you work for? What market do you trade in? Also what is a 32 year old bond trader doing in here trashing Nintendo in the first place?
Just curious.....
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 25, 2003, 03:51:01 PM
Post by: alvinaloy on August 25, 2003, 05:14:54 PM
Do you know what happens when fanboys-who-think-they-can-run-Nintendo-better start a company? They call themselves Infinium Labs and come up with something called The Phantom
Post by: kennyb27 on August 25, 2003, 06:12:42 PM
QuoteAgentSeven, not to start another argument or something, but where do you dig up these theories. I've seen several of your posts and many mention these various theories. But you have yet to provide a link or sufficient data for any of them.
I won't even get into the fact that many, many 3rd party software companies HATE $ony, or the fact that there are major procution issues with the PSP, or even the gentleman's agreement between M$ and Nintendo. The future doesn't look well for $ony
Post by: AgentSeven on August 25, 2003, 06:43:58 PM
As the years past I began to feel a deep frustration with all of the lies and BS you here coming out of the kid mags (EGM, etc..) and on the web. I wanted to know the truth, especially anything related to the most secretive company of them all, Nintendo.
So in the past several years, I have developed a reputation as a bit of a rumor hound. I'm always looking for a big scoop, not to provide it to the press, but just for the satisfaction of knowing what's really going on. You see the game industry has a stranglehold over any bit of news that is released. I can read the script for a top secret movie years before it's release, yet getting a secret out of Nintendo is like trying to ask the US govt for top secret UFO information.
So here I am. Sharing the crazy bits of rumor and speculation I find with you all.
However, the fact that 3rd parties hate $ony is a well known fact. Don't you think that if Capcom had decided to release Resident Evil 0 on Ps2 it would have sold more just because of it's larger installed base? Yet they chose to stick close to Nintendo, even though it cost them money. Why? Because they hate $ony, as does SquareEnix, Rockstar Games, Namco, Sega, EA, and many others. It seems that $ony has repeated the arrogance that once harmed Nintendo during the height of it's power. This issue, among others has caused them to allientate many/most of the major third parties.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 26, 2003, 06:35:47 AM
Post by: Michael8983 on August 26, 2003, 07:39:55 AM
The Sega Saturn was notoriously difficult to develope for as was the N64 which also used the expensive cartridge format. This sent the majority of third-parties running to the PSX which was both cheap and easy to develope for. This generation, Sony has also had it easy. The DC never really had a chance and the PS2 had already sold a ton of units and saturated the market by the time the XBox and GCN were released.
Sony has been so successful because all the competitors it's faced have had handicaps that have kept them from getting the kind of third-party support they need to be serious competition. But that will almost certainly change this next generation assuming Nintendo and MS come through with consoles that are released on time and are easy to develope for.
The PS3 probably will still "win" next generation and I really don't even care. The important thing is Sony's near-monopoly of the market is bound to fall and the third-party support will be much more evenly distributed.
Nintendo shouldn't have to rely almost entirely on its own first and second party games to sell systems and, if all goes well, it won't have to much longer. Just look at the kind of support the Gamecube is getting from some of the biggest third-party developers like Namco, Sega, and Capcom despite the HUGE lead the PS2 has over it. Now just imagine the kind of support Ninendo's next console will get if it's released before the PS3 has a chance to gain a similar lead.
Post by: GaimeGuy on August 26, 2003, 08:41:10 AM
And you said that Take Two and Square enix HATE Sony?! THEN WHY THE HELL ARE MOST OF THEIR GAMES FOR THE Ps2?! You need to stop giving blind arguments. Start giving valid arguments, backed up with EVIDENCE that SUPPORTS your argument. If Sony truly were planning a "hostile takeover" of the video game industry, as you stated, they could be sued for plotting a monopoly. But they haven't, and you know why? Because you made up that stuff about hostile takeovers.
Post by: AgentSeven on August 26, 2003, 10:16:16 AM
Secondly, Square has to make money. They just posted their biggest losses in the companies history. (Due mainly to the failure of the FF movie and it's partnership with Sony.) They can't just up and leave $ony, they need money. Yet their new partnership with Nintendo is techinically illeagal. They had to form a dummy company just to produce games for Nintendo. When $cea's president, Ken Kutaragi found out what they were doing behind his back, he went through the roof with anger. This was a widely reported story, and if you don't already know about it, then maybe your'e too uninformed for me to bother with. Go and educate yourself fool.
Let me also say this, the second Square can make decent profits off of a Nintendo system, expect to see the majority of their games head to Nintendo country. (what about that rumored Final Fantasy 7 remake for GC? I guess I won't get into that...)
Also, Rockstar Games, feels that $ony's exclusivity deal cost them Millions of dollars and that it was unfair to begin with. You may not know this but GTA 3 was originally in development for the Dreamcast. Then $ony decided to offer Rockstar a ton of cash. In the long run however, the deal cost them millions. That's why GTA is headed for other systems the second the exculsivity deal is up.
Finally, the "Hostile Takeover" is total fact. It's just never reported on because $ony owns the video game press and Nintendo did not want to reveal their weakness before the corrupt corporate giant. Recently Nintendo, bought back 180 million of it's own, publically traded stock share. This was to thwart another hostile takeover, this time coming from Micro$oft. This was also a widely reported FACT.
I guess if you have your head in your rear end, as "gaimeguy" does, you may not have heard all of these FACTS.
Here's one more bit of info. Again, as reported, the Wall Street Journal expects that $ony will lose %60 of it's installed base during the next round of console wars. %60!
No one stays on top forever, especially if you couldn't make a decent game if you tried
Post by: kennyb27 on August 26, 2003, 12:06:09 PM
QuoteWell, let's not go that far. Square is still a third party to Sony despite Sony's ownership of 19% of Square's stock shares. Although Sony wasn't "too pleased" with the news of Square's renewed ties with Nintendo, it wasn't illegal.
Yet their new partnership with Nintendo is techinically illeagal.
Post by: norebonomis on August 26, 2003, 03:35:52 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 26, 2003, 03:47:55 PM
