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Title: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: Shaymin on May 20, 2018, 02:38:00 PM

Not the first time we've seen this type of game on a Nintendo system.

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/47250/resident-evil-7-to-come-to-switch-via-cloud-play

Resident Evil 7 is coming to the Switch, but not in the way some expected.

Capcom's main office in Japan have released a video showing "Biohazard Resident Evil: Cloud" coming to Switch on Thursday (May 24). The horror title originally released for PlayStation 4, Xbox One, and PC in January of 2017, and will require an internet connection to play on Switch. Pricing for the game has been announced as 2000 yen for a six month rental, and a free trial of the first 15 minutes will be available to test the connection.

Similar technology has been used for Dragon Quest X on 3DS and a version of Phantasy Star Online 2 for Switch, though this is the first time it has been used for a single player game on a Nintendo system.

Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: Soren on May 20, 2018, 09:53:23 PM
This is such a bad idea.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: Lemonade on May 20, 2018, 10:04:44 PM
This is very surprising news. When I first heard the news, I thought it was a joke.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: Adrock on May 20, 2018, 10:13:25 PM
A streaming version of a single player game on a console whose main gimmick is its ability to be taken on the go, notably away from an internet connection. And it’s like $18 for just a six month rental.

Capcom is like a parody of Capcom now.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 20, 2018, 10:55:21 PM
I don't get the hate though. It would be nice if it never went away...but this is basically GeForce NOW for Nintendo Switch. As long as you have (fast) internet you can play it. Far from ideal...but it's not that bad. GeForce NOW on the Nvidia Shield (same chipset as the Switch) works fantastically well in all of my experience.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: broodwars on May 20, 2018, 10:56:32 PM
Resident Evil 7 is an incredible game...that absolutely, positively should not be played like this.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: ShyGuy on May 20, 2018, 11:37:17 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/B5bPwq7.gif)
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 20, 2018, 11:50:14 PM
It's better than not getting to play it at all. If you don't have a PS4 or Xbone or gaming PC, then this is the best way you can play it. Has anyone here used GeForce NOW? I 100%'ed Batman Arkham City on that using my Nvidia Shield. It ran at 1080p 60FPS the entire time with no lag 99% of the time and incredibly low input latency.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: Adrock on May 21, 2018, 12:23:01 AM
It's better than not getting to play it at all.
Is it though? I’m not concerned about performance. This sets a bad precedent. I’d rather get Doom-like ports than $18 rentals. If this succeeds, more third parties are going to try this. For a console as popular as Switch, we’re already not getting some ports (e.g. Call of Duty: Black Ops 4). I absolutely would have bought a physical release of Resident Evil 7 on Switch. I have no interest in this cloud version.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: ShyGuy on May 21, 2018, 01:07:01 AM
Prediction: I have subscribe to play Ace Attorney 8 for $60 for 30 days in the year 2020. Games. As. A. Subscription. Service.
(GAASS)
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: Wanderlei on May 21, 2018, 01:10:05 AM
Classic Crapcom, so close, yet so far.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: Stratos on May 21, 2018, 03:37:49 AM
I'm just telling myself this is only for the Japanese market and the rest of the world will get a proper version.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: lolmonade on May 21, 2018, 09:02:01 AM
I'm with Brandogg here....If Switch is the only console I have, and I want to play RE7, while you may prefer to own, $20 for a 6 month rental isn't a BAD price.  Redbox does $1-2 per DAY, and even my local rental store does similar to that cost structure. 


I also think there are some games where presentation and how it looks is more important than others.  I imagine a horror game like RE7 is a situation where you'd want it looking the best possible, in a dark room (not traveling on a bus or out on a sunny day).  If streaming it was the way Capcom felt they could keep the presentation to an acceptable level in a game I expect most would only want to play once or twice, I see the logic in offering it as a rental rather than an own for a downgraded port.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: Soren on May 21, 2018, 09:50:23 AM
I'm shocked, shocked I say, that this objectively bad idea is getting the "-shrug- it's better than nothing" treatment.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: lolmonade on May 21, 2018, 10:32:56 AM
I'm shocked, shocked I say, that this objectively bad idea is getting the "-shrug- it's better than nothing" treatment.


Or maybe we have a difference of opinion ? 


You've stated it's bad without any reasoning why.  Others have concerns about ownership of a game vs having to rent it if Switch is their only console.  Adrock mentioned an issue of not being able to play RE7 on the go if it's a streaming-only option.  And there have been slippery-slope arguments about a precedent being sent.  If those things concern you?  No problem, it's easy enough to not buy it, and Capcom won't continue if there's not a financial incentive.


This news doesn't really affect me since I could play this game on PS4 or PC.  But, if Switch was the only way for me to play it, I PERSONALLY would be fine with it being this option assuming 1) the streaming is stable, 2) It looks on-par with its PS4 counterpart, and 3) They're charging what I consider reasonable.


$20 is reasonable to me assuming the above for what is basically a rental.  two weeks to rent this thing alternative methods would be almost the same amount.  I find this absolutist position of "if I can't own a down-ported version on Switch, then Capcom shouldn't bother at all" hot take kind of baffling.

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Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: RPG_FAN128 on May 21, 2018, 10:40:23 AM
Hey look, Amazon has Resident Evil 7 for $23.69 for PS4, and I can own it...for like EVER!  Reading this reminded me of companies doing not-so-brilliant things and wondering why it didn't go well commercially. 


Does anyone else remember...


1)  When EA released the Mass Effect Trilogy on XBOX360 and PS3 and then charged full price for Mass Effect 3 for Wii u?  That's smartZ!
2)  Nintendo ran an "experiement" with the GBA e Card Reader of selling NES Classic game cards for an unreasonably high price.  I don't even remember the price (any one??) but I remember thinking "Are you kidding me??  That much for NES games in the early 2000's?"   


I had a lot more but suddenly got busy/lazy. 
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: nickmitch on May 21, 2018, 11:25:11 AM
$20 for a rental, I'm not sure if that feels high or if I just don't like the idea of it being a rental.  I don't rent games currently, so that's certainly an adjustment.

I would personally prefer a "Doom-like" port since I've been traveling quite a bit for work and mainly play my Switch in portable mode with little to no internet access.  And I'd rather this not set a precedent for that reason.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: Mop it up on May 21, 2018, 12:36:45 PM
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Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: Adrock on May 21, 2018, 12:46:13 PM
That joke was right there the whole time, and no one else in this thread took it. I’m ashamed of myself.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: Mop it up on May 21, 2018, 12:52:25 PM
I was honestly surprised the article was up this long without it!
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: ForgottenPearl on May 21, 2018, 03:34:01 PM
Okay, I'm confused.  Why not just let us download the game and keep it?  I don't understand much about cloud gaming, but wouldn't having to put up with your Internet connection the entire time to run the game make things worse?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: lolmonade on May 21, 2018, 04:08:57 PM
I don't understand much about cloud gaming, but wouldn't having to put up with your Internet connection the entire time to run the game make things worse?


Regarding this part of your post, depends entirely on the quality of your internet connection.  Game streaming is a thing, albeit niche, and my experience has been that it works acceptably provided that you have a stable/not weak internet connection.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: Soren on May 21, 2018, 06:19:13 PM
Just going to drop this tweet from Daan and walk away.

https://twitter.com/NintenDaan/status/998466206465175552
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: ShyGuy on May 21, 2018, 07:23:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0nVZSRD.png)

Wait, wired connections to the Switch are capped? Through the USB ethernet dongles, the bandwidth is limited somehow?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: Evan_B on May 21, 2018, 07:33:45 PM
This is the best idea ever and I applaud Capcom

For saving me money due to their bone-headed decisions.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: Soren on May 21, 2018, 07:49:36 PM
Wait, wired connections to the Switch are capped? Through the USB ethernet dongles, the bandwidth is limited somehow?


Nintendo has not enabled USB 3.0 functionality yet, even though yes, the port at the back of the dock is 3.0. Because Nintendo.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: Lemonade on May 21, 2018, 08:11:15 PM
I have the Wii LAN adapter, which is only USB 2 anyway.

Does the Switch even support any USB 3 gigabit LAN adapters?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: pokepal148 on May 21, 2018, 11:44:44 PM
Wait, wired connections to the Switch are capped? Through the USB ethernet dongles, the bandwidth is limited somehow?


Nintendo has not enabled USB 3.0 functionality yet, even though yes, the port at the back of the dock is 3.0. Because Nintendo.
Bahahahahaha that's perfect.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: ThePerm on May 22, 2018, 04:32:44 AM
Its too bad Bethesda doesnt share tech.

I own Resident Evil 7 on ps4 and nothing screams "Switch can't do this"

Layers of Fear runs on Switch and visually they're not that different.  I think Capcom just needs to port it to another engine. Though maybe they should go unreal over unity.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: stevey on May 22, 2018, 06:00:48 AM
If you're going to stream, then why not just stream to a PC? This doesn't make much sense unless they're testing the appetite for a full port on the Switch to come later.

(https://i.imgur.com/0nVZSRD.png)

Wait, wired connections to the Switch are capped? Through the USB ethernet dongles, the bandwidth is limited somehow?

This YouTube video seems to imply otherwise...

Maybe he's referring to 5GHz 802.11ac wifi being better than the UBS 2.0 speeds.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: Shaymin on May 22, 2018, 07:36:40 PM
Its too bad Bethesda doesnt share tech.

I own Resident Evil 7 on ps4 and nothing screams "Switch can't do this"
If you're worried about resolution, there's already a version of RE7 that runs at a low resolution whose only defining feature is that you strap the screen to your head.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: ThePerm on May 23, 2018, 07:00:42 AM
It is more color and effects quality than resolution.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: Ian Sane on May 23, 2018, 11:37:35 AM
How did I miss these piece of news?  Oh, it came out on a Sunday.

If you establish a business model for companies where they can rent you the game and not buy it then they'll ALL start doing it and we'll get nothing but.  It's not about "oh I think that's reasonable for RE7" it's "I want this to be the new model for the videogame market" with a dash of "and I don't give a damn about how it ruins things for those that don't want it."
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: lolmonade on May 23, 2018, 12:06:08 PM
How did I miss these piece of news?  Oh, it came out on a Sunday.

If you establish a business model for companies where they can rent you the game and not buy it then they'll ALL start doing it and we'll get nothing but.  It's not about "oh I think that's reasonable for RE7" it's "I want this to be the new model for the videogame market" with a dash of "and I don't give a damn about how it ruins things for those that don't want it."


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Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: nickmitch on May 23, 2018, 01:26:56 PM
I don't think this is a risk that all games would do this, but I really wouldn't like it if it became the norm for ports.  That would suck.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: MASB on May 23, 2018, 01:31:22 PM
Unless you have a fiber optic connection, USB 2 should be more than enough for any DSL or cable internet connection. If you have fiber, then you'd need USB 3 to make full use of your bandwidth potential.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: Stratos on May 24, 2018, 03:59:18 PM
Demo is up in Japan and people are posting videos/impressions. Might not be as bad as people are thinking from a performance standpoint, though I'm still hesitant on the entire method.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 7 To Come To Switch Via Cloud Play
Post by: ShyGuy on May 24, 2018, 07:20:30 PM
The method just sounds like a bad way to play games to me. They decide what you get, and for how long. Stay subscribed to a game and end up paying more than a retail copy. Live in a place with lower bandwidth? never get to play it. They want to quit servicing the game in 2020? It's gone forever. Then they can re-release it for a higher price in 2022. Every game can be Games as a Service, the single player "problem" is fixed!