Post by: Mannypon on August 16, 2003, 10:02:09 AM
I was just thinking, Microsoft and Nintendo together in a joint effort would be insane lol. The combined effort would solve both of their probs, for Nintendo, they would be able to do a better job moving systems outside of japan and it'll also bring them right to the forefront of online gaming with microsoft's xbox live structure. For microsoft, it'll help them break into the steel wall (for an american company) that is japan. We all know that microsoft alone cannot break into the japanese market. I honestly dont think nintendo will do such an allience since it doesnt really seem to be their style but with their new president, you may never know. Wonder how willing he is to put nintendo back on top. What if nintendo is willin to team up for a generation or 2 to work out gettin rid of that "kiddie" image they have and once all this kiddie image thing blows over (since a generation or 2 from now, they'll be a new crop of gamers that dont know much bout Nintendo's old image becuase of the alliance) they'll go back to developing systems themselves and be in a better position to reclaim its throne. I'm just talkin out ma ass lol and wondering what everyone thinks bout this but it does make some sence and will help solve alot of probs for both companies. If this goes through, I see Nintendo benefiting the most from this, developing a new image and getting the know how on online gaming.
Post by: Perfect Cell on August 16, 2003, 10:08:56 AM
the Factor 5 Rumor was debunked by IGNs Fact or Fiction. They said Factor 5 would make development tools for the other 2 but their software was still for Nintendo
Post by: Mannypon on August 16, 2003, 10:31:49 AM
Post by: kennyb27 on August 16, 2003, 10:36:18 AM
P.S.-Manny, your avatar is too big. Edit it down to 64x64 pixels.
Post by: Mannypon on August 16, 2003, 11:02:11 AM
Post by: ThePerm on August 16, 2003, 11:23:34 AM
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Post by: Pale on August 16, 2003, 11:33:06 AM
Post by: AgentSeven on August 16, 2003, 12:01:47 PM
"I have stated before, and it is already a well known fact, that both Nintendo and M$ have what's called "A Gentleman's Agreement." One that states that since they both have relatively seperate goals, they will "unofficially" work together against their common foe, $ony. Kind of like the U.S. and The Russians did against the nazi's.
I stated this month's ago and I was scoffed at by almost everyone here, including the head of the site, Rick Powers.
Now, has anyone noticed that there seems to be a ton of RARE games headed for the GBA? But wait a minute, I thought M$ bought Rare? We all know that's true. We also know that the GBA Rare games are being distributed by a thrid party. Still doesn't it seem strange that a company M$ owns would be producing so many games for their "rival" Nintendo? Gee, it's almost like they have some sort of agreement...."
Also, allow me to dispell some BS that's been circulating through the web. Factor 5 will NEVER makes games for X-Box. Period. If your'e dumb enough to believe that one, I feel sorry for you. M$ did indeed attempt to buy Nintendo for around 26 billion Dollars. Nintendo refused. Later in the year
Nintendo bought back over 100 Million Dollars worth of its own stock, in order to prevent a hostile take-over by another company. M$ will never be able to buy Nintendo, and Nintendo will NEVER sell itself to M$. Period.
One more thing. You can't get REAL news from Video Game Magazines and Websites. They are almost entirely controlled by the video game companies. What you see and hear is being put out by publicists, who are essentially paid liars.
Post by: Mannypon on August 16, 2003, 12:09:55 PM
Post by: Pale on August 16, 2003, 12:14:27 PM
I want you to tell me how Microsoft allowing Rare to make games for the GBA will help Nintendo and Microsoft beat Sony in the home console market. IT WON'T!
It also won't help Nintendo beat Microsoft in the home console market. All it will do is give Microsoft/Rare more money, and THAT is the reason why they are doing it.
Post by: ThePerm on August 16, 2003, 12:19:48 PM
Post by: Nigel on August 16, 2003, 01:59:39 PM
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Originally posted by: AgentSeven
Now, has anyone noticed that there seems to be a ton of RARE games headed for the GBA? But wait a minute, I thought M$ bought Rare? We all know that's true. We also know that the GBA Rare games are being distributed by a thrid party. Still doesn't it seem strange that a company M$ owns would be producing so many games for their "rival" Nintendo? Gee, it's almost like they have some sort of agreement....
Yeah, I did notice a ton of Rare GBA games coming out. Only it was like a year ago when they were announced. The GBA is not competition or a rival for the Xbox, that's why Microsoft allows Rare to make games for it. If it's gonna make Rare money, then there's no reason they shouldn't allow them too.
Post by: Shadow Link on August 16, 2003, 03:04:18 PM
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Post by: kennyb27 on August 16, 2003, 06:25:58 PM
Post by: AgentSeven on August 17, 2003, 12:45:53 AM
Second, you seem to forget that having Rare games on Nintendo's GBA not only makes M$ money, but it also benefits Nintendo as well, financially and otherwise.
Finally, I feel that Nintendo and M$ will never officially work together. A "gentleman's agreement" in the corporate world basically says that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Two companies with different gameplans working against a common foe, yet not exactly competiting directly with each other.
Post by: rpglover on August 17, 2003, 04:46:13 AM
i think before microsoft bought rare, they agreed that they would make games for nintendo's gba
so basically microsoft and nintendo were laying down ground rules to the rare deal before it happened
this would allow rare to finish the games and sell them on the gba- microsoft could benefit since rare is a total part of microsoft now
but i agree with agent 7 in the fact that there seems to be a "gentleman's agreement" going on here
it is just coincedence that they both are using ati for their graphics chips- i guarentee that they will have different chips and archetecture in their systems when they release- the ways that they will work together is in advertising as in not bashing eachother
both just need to focus on their goals right now- nintendo's been getting with more 3rd parties for their next system and microsoft has been getting their feet in the water and their brand name known for the next time around
Post by: kennyb27 on August 17, 2003, 08:09:04 AM
QuoteFirst you say this then you say Rare's having titles on GBA will only help Nintendo and Microsoft? How will the exact same thing be the benefit of one company but then severly damage another?
Still, not having Rare games may be to their benefit as many of their titles are highly overated and their future looks bleak to me.
QuoteAll Microsoft sees here is the ability to make more money. They don't care that Nintendo is making money along with them. They would rather increase their revenue while improving Nintendo's than not increase their's at all. Microsoft doesn't (or doesn't seem to) have a handheld in the making therefore they are not hurting their business by allowing THQ to publish their games on another system.
Second, you seem to forget that having Rare games on Nintendo's GBA not only makes M$ money, but it also benefits Nintendo as well, financially and otherwise.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 17, 2003, 08:48:32 PM
Post by: Darc Requiem on August 17, 2003, 09:35:08 PM
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I think Nintendo is smart enough to not make any agreements with Microsoft. Look up "Sendo" for a prime example of MS screwing over a smaller company.
LOL I've got a more recent one. Look at what MS did to Nvidia with the X-box. They made an agreement based on sales projections of the X-box. They didn't meet those sales projections in fact they missed them by 40% and still forced Nvidia to sell them the X-Chip as if they didn meet their sales goals. That caused Nvidia to lose buttloads of money.
Darc Requiem
Post by: BlkPaladin on August 17, 2003, 10:31:43 PM
Post by: Celebi on August 17, 2003, 11:54:25 PM
Its a matter of politics and dominance.Nintendo is always a japanese company at heart and if they were to give in for MS take over,the japanese videogame industry which they are so proud of will just go down like that.This is why until today the Xbox still cannot penetrate the Japanese market.Nintendo will be a sell off they are dare to team up with MS.They will never gain the respect from companies like SquareEnix,Capcom or Konami.The Sony-Nintendo cooperation is much better.
Post by: Darc Requiem on August 18, 2003, 07:38:23 AM
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Post by: Celebi on August 18, 2003, 08:41:26 AM
Post by: Darc Requiem on August 18, 2003, 10:28:25 AM
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It would be stupit for Sony not to include a GPU this time.They probably will be keeping quiet about this until they finish touching up the processor.The reason why the PS2 was lacking was because it does not have a dedicated GPU and proper amount of memory.Nvidia turned towards IBM was because of this.They already sense that the MS relationship wouldn't work well and they need somewhere else to turn to in order to survive.
Actually the PS2 does have a GPU. The problem with the PS2 is that Sony didn't hardcode special effects into its GPU. They focused on fillrate. So most effects on PS2 have to be done in software. Anti Aliasing is a real problem on PS2. An alliance between Sony and Nvidia isn't very likely unless Sony is unable to get the cost of the CELL processor down. The CELL processor is supposed to be a CPU/GPU/DSP all on one chip. Thats why I said its unlikely that they can weasel their way into the alliance.
Darc Requiem
Post by: Celebi on August 18, 2003, 10:15:04 PM
At this time Sony hasn't disclose a single bit on the graphics and sound plans yet but we will see later.What they have mention is how powerful the Cell processor is and what it might do.Nothing else.The rest is still secret.
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