Post by: Mario on August 07, 2003, 12:01:26 AM
- GameCube Made in Wario in October
- Donkey Kong in development with Namco; coming out before end of the year
- New Zelda coming out next fiscal year
- A 'new surprise different from anything before' will be announced as their 'trump card' next spring
All is well.
EDIT: Changed link, to an english one
Post by: Ocarina Blue on August 07, 2003, 12:08:59 AM
Post by: Mario on August 07, 2003, 12:20:03 AM
MEGATON!
Post by: Michael8983 on August 07, 2003, 12:52:52 AM
NINTENDO BUYS SQUARE ENIX!!!
Post by: Mario on August 07, 2003, 01:11:51 AM
WARIO WARE FOR GAMECUBE! WOO! And a Donkey Kong game by the end of the year!
Post by: Ocarina Blue on August 07, 2003, 01:26:57 AM
Post by: Mario on August 07, 2003, 01:32:17 AM
Post by: Michael8983 on August 07, 2003, 01:40:26 AM
I think the GCN version will probably focus more on multiplayer and the mini-games will be longer. Kind of like a Mario Party except without the board and a TON more mini-games that will be a lot more straight-forward and simplistic in design. It could be A LOT of fun.
I'm not sure about the Donkey Kong thing. Could it just be referring to the arcade-style DK game shown for the GBA a while ago. Seems like Namco would be a lot more likely to work with Nintendo on the arcade-style DK than the newer DKC games.
I wonder if the Zelda game being referred to is Four Swords or Wind Waker 2.
I just assumed they'd both be out by the end of the next fiscal year. Maybe it is referring to WW2 and Nintendo just considers FS to be a GCN/GBA game.
Hopefully the big spring announcement is about the Gamecube or its successor. Some are speculating it could be a GBA2 but that's the last thing I want. Iwata commented that he doesn't belive the PSP will be much a threat so I think the likelyhood is the announcement is for the console market.
Also, Nintendo said it plans more collaborations with developers in the future which I think is the best news of it all.
Post by: Mario on August 07, 2003, 01:45:45 AM
Also, Namco are responsible for Klonoa, so they have experience with 2D platformers, it should be interesting to see how Donkey Kong GC ends up. And its coming out by the end of the year!
Post by: AdvancedGamer on August 07, 2003, 03:02:59 AM
Post by: Mario on August 07, 2003, 04:09:11 AM
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Nintendo Press Conference Details
New GCN Games Announced
Made in Wario for GameCube (October 2003)
New 3D Zelda for GameCube (2004)
New Donkey Kong for GameCube (2003) Alleged Involvement with Namco Iwatani
Satoru Iwata Comments
' we prepare a new product, that surprising and unique will be.' It is to stand out qualitatively against past developments and be introduced in the next spring (exact details are unclear).
- ' Sonys multi-functional Handheld PSP will have no large influence on our business. But no matter whether Sony brings a new product out or not, we prepare our future. We will be able to likewise give exact data in the next spring.'
- ' a singular and easily playable product to make, Nintendo will lead on a new way of growth. We want to stop to make video games ever more complicate or more difficult. Instead we want to make simpler software for a larger audience.
' could in former times each video games completely simply enjoy. Therefore it will make always important plays, it for everyone makes possible fun with them to have.'
Post by: DRJ on August 07, 2003, 04:42:47 AM
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Post by: egman on August 07, 2003, 05:05:59 AM
Again, this is purely conjecture on my part, but it sure is interesting to see what Namco has going on. Namco as an exclusive 3rd party or maybe a 2nd party would be a huge move for Nintendo going into the next gen.
Post by: vudu on August 07, 2003, 05:14:40 AM
excellent news. hopefully nintendo will take this opportunity to port some of their older nes and snes games to the gc (i.e. in the form of unlockable games)
"A 'new surprise different from anything before' will be announced as their 'trump card' next spring"
omfg! new gcn-gba link cables that make it so you can hook two gba's up to a single controller port on the gcn! now i can hook up 8 gba's to my gcn! M3GAT0N!!1!
::runs out and buys 7 more gba's::
Post by: Rhoq on August 07, 2003, 05:20:08 AM
Post by: SuperLink666 on August 07, 2003, 05:35:20 AM
But some people need to realise that the game will most likely be in 3d!!! Not saying there will be some 2d minigames, but think about having 15seconds to whip bowser around and beat him from mario 64 etc. It would be just like Wario Ware on GBA, but with 3d
Post by: Termin8Anakin on August 07, 2003, 05:56:02 AM
VERY surprised.
But seeing how Star Fox isn't looking too great as of this moment, I'm a little on the skeptical side. I hope it has the same amount of gorgeous detail like in Banjo/DK64 (minus the super tedius collect-a-thons of course).
But we'll see what happens.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on August 07, 2003, 06:07:46 AM
Nintendo's franchises are the best selling titles on GCN, right? Well, Namco optimizes sales on GameCube by developing the big Nintendo franchises. Its the smartest move a 3rd party could make when making games for GCN (developing a big Nintendo franchise, that is).
and Nintendo gets to focus on new franchises for GCN (or at least they are supposed to be doing this)
sure, this isnt a big revelation by any means, but its still pretty cool.
Post by: Internet Nomad on August 07, 2003, 06:16:23 AM
This is all very exciting news. Wario Ware GC could be insanely awesome. They could have snippets of GC games! 10 seconds of the boating mini-game in Wind Waker. =) I hope they retain some 2D mini-games though. It adds variety. And coming out THIS YEAR? We'll be getting more information anytime now. Same with DK.
You failed to mention the VIP program. When you buy specified Nintendo VIP games (exclusive games, I'd imagine), you recieve points which can be used to "buy" products online. It's already happening in Europe, but all there getting is dinky screen savers and crap. Nintendo has reported that they will be adding games and hardware to the catalogue. Sounds great for us hardcore types. =)
As for the new product...I'd like to push that out of my mind so as not to get my hopes built up to insane proportions only to have them crumble down. You'd all be wise to do the same.
Post by: egman on August 07, 2003, 07:30:19 AM
Anyway, I'm now looking more forward to the points thing, as it looks like there are some interesting things you can earn with it. Hopefully, they will get some 3rd parties involved on the deal--Nintendo doesn't need that much help with software sales.
Post by: Fish on August 07, 2003, 07:35:08 AM
Hopefully they reveal it soon, at E3 or something, amd SM128 too!
Post by: SuperLink666 on August 07, 2003, 07:38:35 AM
Post by: Rich on August 07, 2003, 07:57:41 AM
On another note, it would be kicka$$ if Nintendo made Namco a 2nd party. Its seems that Namco is becoming like a 3rd party rare, handling Star Fox and Dk and also dishing out exclusives. and it would be great going into the next gen with exlusives like Tekken, Soul calibor, and ridge racer. Oh man it would be so cool.
Post by: Rich on August 07, 2003, 08:03:13 AM
Post by: ThePerm on August 07, 2003, 08:11:57 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on August 07, 2003, 08:19:07 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on August 07, 2003, 08:20:05 AM
I don't like that statement. Whenever Nintendo talks about "simpler" games we get something like Luigi's Mansion or Wario World. You know, games that can be beaten in a weekend. Games that have no replay value. Where the hell does Nintendo get the idea that people want to play such games? If you look at what titles sell huge it's usually games that provide the player with a lot of freedom and have a long game length ie: complicated games. Nintendo's big sellers of the last generation were games like Super Mario 64, Goldeneye, and Ocarina of Time, all of which were what I consider complicated games. I can't think of ANY example of a "simple game" selling huge aside from Tetris. One dimensional glorified mini-games that can be beaten in a few hours are NOT what I buy Nintendo games for. As I recall "simple games" at launch are what basically killed the Cube from the get go because people finished all their games in about a month and then had nothing to play for six months.
Post by: egman on August 07, 2003, 09:02:31 AM
In many ways, I can see exactly what they are saying. I have no problem playing modern games, but my dad barely touches them anymore. He could sit front in of our old NES all day and have fun, but if he even tries one of the latest games there is a lot frustration and questions about what he is suppose to do. This is the hump Nintendo wants to get over.
I think that is a goal worth pursuing, but right now the market has shifted away from family entertainment. This is Nintendo's achilles heel. They want to sell games to everyone, but section of the industry that is driving the market are males in their late teens and early twenties who just want something cool to play on the weekend. Mario doesn't exactly fit that bill. Actually, I don't think he ever did. When Nintendo was on top, it was cool to play video games. Now games these days have to be cool if you want them played. Nintendo has to work on image appeal along with accessible gameplay.
Post by: Chode2234 on August 07, 2003, 10:00:50 AM
Post by: rpglover on August 07, 2003, 10:18:35 AM
i hope it stays in the same vein as the donkey kong country games on the snes but not like the collectathon of dk64
i like all of this namco lovin' lately- hopefully this keeps up with other developers as well
Post by: PIAC on August 07, 2003, 10:22:39 AM
and chode, that was a bit of a cheep shot, Donkey Kong Country 1 2 and 3 are awsome, 64 was pretty smelly, but that was 1 out of 4
im excited about this news, disturbingly excited!, never have i seen a gen with this many 'must owns' its a real kick in the bank account :\
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 07, 2003, 10:44:25 AM
And I think that Star Fox looks very very much good fun yay. Can't wait for it.
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on August 07, 2003, 10:47:10 AM
*Starts counting down*
Post by: Perfect Cell on August 07, 2003, 12:10:00 PM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on August 07, 2003, 01:04:22 PM
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"a singular and easily playable product to make, Nintendo will lead on a new way of growth. We want to stop to make video games ever more complicate or more difficult. Instead we want to make simpler software for a larger audience."
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I don't like that statement. Whenever Nintendo talks about "simpler" games we get something like Luigi's Mansion or Wario World. You know, games that can be beaten in a weekend. Games that have no replay value. Where the hell does Nintendo get the idea that people want to play such games? If you look at what titles sell huge it's usually games that provide the player with a lot of freedom and have a long game length ie: complicated games. Nintendo's big sellers of the last generation were games like Super Mario 64, Goldeneye, and Ocarina of Time, all of which were what I consider complicated games. I can't think of ANY example of a "simple game" selling huge aside from Tetris. One dimensional glorified mini-games that can be beaten in a few hours are NOT what I buy Nintendo games for. As I recall "simple games" at launch are what basically killed the Cube from the get go because people finished all their games in about a month and then had nothing to play for six months.
This was IMO one of the main reason for the success of GTA 3, the game was simply pick up and play, yet it also has tons of freedom and length.
Post by: kennyb27 on August 07, 2003, 01:16:14 PM
Post by: SuperLink666 on August 07, 2003, 01:19:13 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on August 07, 2003, 06:38:36 PM
Post by: egman on August 07, 2003, 06:48:54 PM
To be frank, most of the new relationships Nintendo has been forging with Japanese 3rd parties seem shakey at the most. I think Square will be through with the GC after FF:CC--they really want a piece of the GBA and nothing more. I'm still scratching my head over the fact that SK is developing MGS:TS even though the parties will have some well thought out responses to squash the perception that Konami is determined not to spend a scent on GC development, at least when it comes to it's A teams . I'm not even sure Capcom is still happy they decided to throw some heavy support towards Nintendo.
But then we have Namco developing a couple of Nintendo franchises, while at the same time they make some REALLY huge moves in terms of exclusives. We are getting an exlusive RPG in a series that has strong following in Japan, then they throw at us a completely new RPG with an extremely strong pedigree of developers behind it. It sounds almost too good to be true.
I'm probably making too much out it, but I just have this feeling that Namco really wants to have a strong relationship with Nintendo, while some of the other 3rd parties are more or less throwing Nintendo a bone because it won't hurt them to do so. Because of this I'm getting pretty excited about what direction the new DK will be heading; waiting for new info is going to kill me.
Post by: Perfect Cell on August 07, 2003, 07:41:52 PM
Post by: Fish on August 07, 2003, 08:36:14 PM
THIS JUST IN! NINTENDO BOUGHT EA!
Post by: Michael8983 on August 07, 2003, 09:21:29 PM
Konami may not have much faith in the Gamecube but, if MGS:TT sells well, that could change.
It's not about Konami not liking Nintendo or anything, it's just a business thing. You can't blame Konami for not wanting to fully back Nintendo before it proves itself. You can't blame it for almost exclusively supporting the PS2 which currently dominates the market either. Nintendo has to take what it can get now and hope it leads to bigger and better things in years to come.
Post by: Mario on August 07, 2003, 09:36:08 PM
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If you look at what titles sell huge it's usually games that provide the player with a lot of freedom and have a long game length ie: complicated games.
Yep, thats why Mario Party 4 outsold Zelda: TWW in Japan. And why Kirby's Air Ride is outselling F-Zero GX. And why Super Smash Bros Melee is the highest selling game on GameCube. *rolls eyes*
Post by: Michael8983 on August 07, 2003, 09:48:29 PM
Most of the big games coming out this Fall for the Gamecube including FZero GX, Kirby Air Ride, Mario Party 5, Mario Kart Double Dash, 1080, and Pokemon Channel fit the bill. They're definitly a lot easier to pick up and play than most of the big titles last year like Super Mario Sunshine, Starfox Adventures, and Metroid Prime. If the Gamecube does a lot better this upcoming holiday season than it did the last one, I think it'll be safe to say Nintendo has the right idea.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on August 07, 2003, 10:50:07 PM
Nintendo, get 3DO!
Then ditch them after they make those games, cause all they'll make are Army Men games........
Post by: Ocarina Blue on August 08, 2003, 12:23:55 AM
Post by: Mario on August 08, 2003, 12:31:33 AM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=581&ncid=581&e=1&u=/nm/20030807/tc_nm/media_3do_bidders_dc
Yeah, i like Nintendo's new strategy too, im absolutely dying to see how Wario Ware turns out on the Cube. And all the upcoming "simple" games like Four Swords GC, Viewtiful Joe, Mario Party 5 and Mario Kart are looking really good, i really like what Nintendo are doing.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on August 08, 2003, 01:09:25 AM
I hope Ubi Soft (or the other companies) gets 3DO and not Microsoft.
Bill Gates and Trip Hawkins in the same bed is just plain scary......in both senses of the word.
Haha.
I made a funny!
Post by: Ian Sane on August 08, 2003, 08:44:11 AM
I had no idea that Mario Party 4 outsold Zelda in Japan. That's just NUTS. Still I was primarily talking about the North American market so I think my arguement still stands. In the most profitable videogame market complex games are big sellers. I also wouldn't consider Super Smash Bros Melee a "simple" game since that game tooks months to unlock everything and actually has a pretty complex fighting engine. True anyone can do every move but that game requires some serious skill and practice to beat completely. I was complaining about games like Luigi's Mansion that are ridiculously easy. Hey if Nintendo means titles like Smash Bros when they talk about "simple games" then I'm all for it. I just don't think they are. I think to them "simple" games means one dimensional titles with no challenge or replay value like that Tetra's Trackers game they showed at E3.
Post by: Perfect Cell on August 08, 2003, 08:54:28 AM
Well they do make High Heat Baseball, one of the better Major League Baseball games....
Post by: Michael8983 on August 08, 2003, 11:57:36 AM
Smash Bros Melee would be a PERFECT example. The controls are so simple and straight-forward anyone can learn to play it in just minutes. It's one of the best "pick up and play" games ever.
Luigi's Mansion, on the other hand, goes against Nintendo's new focus.
It's over-complicated duel-analog controls are really frustrating at first and takes a while to get used to. The original Pikmin also, unfortunately, doesn't live up to the new focus either. Miyamoto himself lamented that the game ended up too complicated (not difficult, but complicated) and wasn't the "pick up and play" title he wanted it to be.
Post by: Bishman on August 08, 2003, 10:15:16 PM
Post by: Plugabugz on August 09, 2003, 01:05:40 AM
