Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Adrock on June 01, 2017, 11:19:03 AM
Title: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: Adrock on June 01, 2017, 11:19:03 AM
Because Nintendo.
Nintendo Switch headset chat looks like a mess (https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2017/6/1/15724070/nintendo-switch-headset-chat-voice-chat-hori)
(http://i.imgur.com/7UtyGTZ.png)
At least the headset looks cool.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: Soren on June 01, 2017, 11:29:43 AM
Nintendo's failure to put a voice chat solution inside the console itself means we get this stupidity, which is why I'm finding it harder and harder to justify giving them money to play online games.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: Adrock on June 01, 2017, 12:03:19 PM
What makes this even more pathetic is the fact that the generic phone Hori used in the picture is clearly an iPhone (given the circle Home button) yet iPhones don't even have a headphone jack anymore.
Video game consumers: Switch is such an elegant solution to Nintendo's biggest problem of having both a handheld and console. Remember the Sega Genesis, Sega CD, and 32X? We've come a long way since the days of having a mess of cables, adapters, and add-ons. Sony: Hold my beer. *launches PlayStation VR* Nintendo: LEEROY JENKINS!!!!!11112
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: KeyBilly on June 01, 2017, 12:13:49 PM
I appreciate that Nintendo likes to pretend that no other companies have solved problems before and come up with their own solutions. It leads to a lot of great things. Anything related to their online infrastructure, though, tends to be comically painful and outdated. This is one category that I wouldn't mind them just copying from competitors or even partnering with Steam on. I can't see myself ever using this convoluted solution. It could just be a passive aggressive attempt to destroy voice chat in its infancy on the Switch.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: Ian Sane on June 01, 2017, 12:16:01 PM
Nintendo is such a strange company. They'll come up with something brilliant that makes shovel loads of cash one day and the next day just completely **** up the most routine thing that I think that literally no one else in the entire world with any basic familiarity with videogames would get wrong. This is basic stuff that their competitors were doing correctly over ten years ago. This concept is worse than the voice chat they had on PRIOR Nintendo consoles so where does Nintendo get these ridiculous ideas from?
Take the phone and that weird arrow looking thing out of that diagram. Headset connects to Switch. That's what every consumer expects. This setup is dumb for a traditional console and is stupid as **** for something that's also portable. How do you play online on the go juggling three devices?
The Switch is benefitting from being the first to the market but with idiotic nonsense like this it's just a matter of time before Sony or MS releases their own hybrid and eat into Nintendo's market by simply doing routine things in a way that isn't insane.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: Soren on June 01, 2017, 12:17:06 PM
This is the summer of online multiplayer for Nintendo and Switch!!
-needs an adapter for wired online-
-needs an adapter (and a cell phone with a headphone jack) for voice chat-
We're going paid online this fall, trust us with your money!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: MagicCow64 on June 01, 2017, 12:32:00 PM
I find pretty much nothing lamer than these headsets in the first place, though that's basically an extension of my dislike for online multiplayer. But while I'll never use it and this doesn't affect me, it's definitely a bad enough case where I'm cringing vicariously.
Is it possible this is just for the portable mode? How would this even work while docked?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: nickmitch on June 01, 2017, 12:37:27 PM
One thing to note is that setup seems to be required if you want in-game audio and voice chat audio going into the same headset. Not that it's much comfort. But that was something we were wondering when the whole app thing was announced.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: Adrock on June 01, 2017, 12:43:35 PM
This method ostensibly solves two problems for Nintendo:
1. It offers better protection from a legal standpoint. Since chat is handled through a dedicated communication device, you're either using your own, or you willingly gave one to your child. It's more difficult to hold Nintendo liable if you don't like what your child is doing online.
2. It allows Nintendo to offset any processing for voice chat to a separate device which allows Switch with its comparatively weaker hardware to use all of its processing and memory for actual gameplay.
Bonus: if this is the just the My Nintendo app, Nintendo is basically marketing to you wherever you take your phone.
Ultimately, if this was all handled wirelessly, it'd make a lot more sense. It wouldn't be as user friendly as an integrated setup, but there would be fewer roadblocks. Currently, you're literally tethered to two devices. I don't even know how I'd do that at home with the way my TV and couch are positioned.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: KeyBilly on June 01, 2017, 02:10:58 PM
I guess the idea is to use Bluetooth headphones at home and hear the muffled sound from the TV through it.
My thinking is that #2 is more relevant, since what we've seen so far is a very minimal OS. They might have just given almost zero resources to it. Since the technology of the NVidia chips is quickly progressing, a smaller NSi could have plenty of overhead to run Switch games and still have a proper modern OS in the future. Not that exciting now, of course.
In terms of legal issues, hopefully Nintendo just uses the clear precedent set by other companies. There are also parental controls to monitor or disable online functionality for kids. But, Nintendo does worry about things like this more than seems logical at times.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: Stratos on June 01, 2017, 03:18:45 PM
The wires are like leashes on well-trained dogs. It lets other people know that things are safe.
Mom: Oh, I don't understand this video gaming thing. Its so confusing!
Dad: Look! We can follow the cords to see what is going on with Billy's game. This cord goes to his $1000 gold plated Galaxy 10 S Edge + that we bought him. This must mean he is talking with other people!
Mom: Oh noes! But what about creepy strangers?
Dad: Its alright, my brother works at Nintendo and he told me that only people you are friends with can talk to you, so that should save Billy from too much harsh language.
Billy: What the hell is this ****?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: nickmitch on June 01, 2017, 04:02:33 PM
So, can you use your phone as a speaker phone for voice chat? Like a Wii Speak?
I'm trying to think of alternatives.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 01, 2017, 07:03:48 PM
This is idiotic. In fact, it's beyond idiotic. Incredible disappointment. They've basically killed voice chat already. The Nvidia Shield TV (same hardware as the Switch) already supports voice chat with Android games and has for two years now...there is no excuse for this.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: Stratos on June 02, 2017, 01:21:25 AM
I keep telling myself that maybe this is the "free" option and we will get a premium chat service once the paid online interface launches. I am also drifting close to the definition of clinically insane.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: pokepal148 on June 02, 2017, 03:10:43 AM
Is this confirmed to be anything but some sort of bizarre 3rd party accessory, like do you need it to do voice chat at all.
So, can you use your phone as a speaker phone for voice chat? Like a Wii Speak?
I'm trying to think of alternatives.
My Bluetooth headset has pretty good noise canceling for shutting out external sounds so I'll probably use that with my TV speakers and skip the rest of this mess.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: ThePerm on June 02, 2017, 03:40:49 AM
Dear Nintendo
There is a USB-C Jack on the bottom of the Switch that is perfect for multipurpose I/O. This jack can be used for things like a headset.
-ThePerm
Dear Nintendo The Switch has built in blutooth support for things like the Joycons. These Blutooth functions could also be used for things like a headset.
-ThePerm
Dear Nintendo Android and iPhone devices should be considered competitors to your system. Advertising these devices, which host emulators that allow users to pirate your games is in direct competition with your online stores. They also host a number of games that you will not get licensing money for. They should be treated as hostile to the Switches revenue stream.
-ThePerm
Dear Nintendo The switch has an advanced modern mobile processor. This processor is more powerful than most(or all?) phones on the market. Anything that could be done on a phone could be done on a Switch in software. -ThePerm
Dear Nintendo Please re-introduce a microphone and camera onto the next model of the Switch. Switches could be a disruptive device in the mobile phone market. If you offer a free phone chat service then there will be no need for cell phones. -ThePerm
Dear Nintendo You should have released a phone app cart for Nintendo DS when you had the chance. You guys beat the iPhone to the market with a device that had smart touchscreen interface by 2 years. You sold 100 million DS units. If you had put a damn phone cart out **** would be way different. -ThePerm
(http://i.imgur.com/N9urmyq.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: Khushrenada on June 02, 2017, 03:55:20 AM
Dear ThePerm,
Please understand.
-Nintendo
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: pokepal148 on June 02, 2017, 04:07:18 AM
Dear ThePerm,
I highly doubt the Nintendo DS's wireless capabilities were strong enough to connect to a cellular network. -pokepal148
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: ThePerm on June 02, 2017, 04:26:57 AM
I highly doubt the Nintendo DS's wireless capabilities were strong enough to connect to a cellular network. -pokepal148
Who needs a cellular network when wifi is common? I didn't say it would have been the ending of cellular phones, but it could have been disruptive. I had thought to myself while playing metroid prime hunters(Why don't they put a phone on this? Or at least create an application for this) A missed opportunity. All they needed was a messaging ID service like aim and nobody would have a reason to use a regular phone. Also, a big note: People didn't regularly password protect their wifi in 2006. I routinely used the free wifi offered by my neighbors to play Mario Kart. The first device I ever had that was wifi compatible was a DS. It was significantly more portable than my girlfriends laptop, with a much better battery life.
Also, wasn't Microphone Chat for Starfox Command only available in local wifi mode?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: lolmonade on June 02, 2017, 08:53:44 AM
The picture and dongle shown are worth the scorn the internet has given them. That said, this is their "solution" for someone who wants voice chat AND game audio in their headsets at once, right? Hori is basically trying to fix what's broken in Nintendo's online chat solution.
I don't know, ladies & gentlemen, I can't say I'm surprised it's come to this when everything ABOUT the Switch is in effort to make compromises. I do wonder if Nintendo worried that voice chat internally on the Switch would add extra burden for a console that would already seem underpowered at launch compared to its competitors. Limiting the system features on-board is one way I suspect they're able to ensure as much of the processing power is available for themselves and Devs to devote entirely to how the game runs.
That said, as an example, when I play overwatch on PC, I actually have the sound route through the desk speakers and have one hear on my headset. This works pretty well and helps me better hear teammates. I also have an old iphone I haven't tried to sell yet exactly for this purpose, so it's not going to take up my phone availability anyway.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: Soren on June 02, 2017, 09:38:12 AM
Is this confirmed to be anything but some sort of bizarre 3rd party accessory, like do you need it to do voice chat at all.
Nintendo has given it official license status so they expect you to use it if you want to voice chat.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 02, 2017, 11:14:37 AM
Nintendo has officially licensed Hori to make all kinds of niche stuff that wasn't at all the main way to do things. I wouldn't assume that this is the only way to do voice chat.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: nickmitch on June 02, 2017, 11:23:40 AM
So, can you use your phone as a speaker phone for voice chat? Like a Wii Speak?
I'm trying to think of alternatives.
My Bluetooth headset has pretty good noise canceling for shutting out external sounds so I'll probably use that with my TV speakers and skip the rest of this mess.
Wouldn't all the noise canceling in your headset keep you from hearing the videogame sounds coming from your TV?
Is this confirmed to be anything but some sort of bizarre 3rd party accessory, like do you need it to do voice chat at all.
Nintendo has given it official license status so they expect you to use it if you want to voice chat.
I think we've known that the app was needed for voice chat for a while. This device seems only designed to solve the issue of wanting voice chat and game audio going into the same headset.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: Adrock on June 02, 2017, 11:59:35 AM
Yeah, I recall the app being mentioned in passing a few months ago, and everyone groaned. My issue is still with all the additional wires because I can at least see how using an app on an independent device benefits Nintendo and by extension, Switch owners. If you weigh them against each other, I still don't see how this was the better choice.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: nickmitch on June 02, 2017, 01:36:57 PM
Well, I guess people on other consoles can forgo voice chat to avoid offensive language, and Switch owners and forgo it to avoid becoming entangled in all the cords.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 02, 2017, 02:16:53 PM
I *would* assume this is the only way, because Nintendo said you'll need their stupid app for stuff like this. This is absolutely retarded.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: Phil on June 02, 2017, 04:22:29 PM
It's sad how the majority of popular gaming topics on the forums are when everyone can bitch about something. :'(
Not to say you all aren't right this time.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: KeyBilly on June 02, 2017, 05:46:32 PM
It's actually kinda heart warming to see everyone agreeing about something.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: Stratos on June 02, 2017, 06:23:21 PM
I just want to be able to use my COD Black Ops Wii USB headset[size=78%].[/size]
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: Khushrenada on June 02, 2017, 06:34:57 PM
Breath of the Wild, Metroid Prime, Metroid Zero Mission, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Super Mario Sunshine, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Animal Crossing: New Leaf, F-Zero GX, Super Smash Bros Melee/3DS/Wii U. Your mileage may vary on some of these titles but if the cost getting of fantastic software like this is odd decisions on hardware or online, that's a tradeoff I'll happily take. It doesn't bother me. Now Amiibo or limited edition stuff is where the internet rage needs to stay focused.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: Stratos on June 02, 2017, 09:20:18 PM
You know, I think Khush has a point. This form of chat may allow for us to have voice chat in Monster Hunter Double Cross, I'll gladly take this franken-headset if it means chat with Monster Hunter again.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 19, 2017, 11:06:18 PM
So something worth noting - while it's still completely retarded, you don't have to use headphones to use the Nintendo Switch Online app for voice chat. You do have to keep your screen on and the app in focus though.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: ShyGuy on July 19, 2017, 11:40:00 PM
I have a solution: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/unum/uniom-wireless-adapter-for-nintendo-switch#
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch headset chat is typical Nintendo LOL-Fail™
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 20, 2017, 07:40:51 PM
No. The solution is Nintendo allows Bluetooth headphones and in-game voice chat, period. Anything else is just slightly less horrible.
