Post by: GoodRiddance2222 on July 30, 2003, 10:50:58 PM
Post by: HereticPB on July 30, 2003, 11:09:13 PM
Post by: Raijin Z on July 30, 2003, 11:26:22 PM
Post by: GoodRiddance2222 on July 30, 2003, 11:48:47 PM
Tell me about the sd adaptor, what will it do? I read a little about it online, but did not completely understand...
Post by: PIAC on July 30, 2003, 11:50:40 PM
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Why should I buy Gamecube, then have to pay another 100-200$ on memory cards, so I can save everything I want to.
way to exagerate
2 251's SHOULD tide you over for a long time, unless you exclusivly play sport games, and if such i suggest getting rid of your cube and get an xbawx or something, as the cubes biggest strength is in its first/second party/exclusive titles.
Post by: aoi tsuki on July 31, 2003, 01:14:36 AM
Post by: ruby_onix on July 31, 2003, 02:21:39 AM
The GameCube's MC59 (the grey memory card) is four times as big, and is 4 megabits (or half a megabyte). The blocks are supposed to be the same size as PSX blocks (but with an index of some sort taking up 5 blocks, instead of 1 block on the PSX).
The GameCube's MC251 (the black memory card) is four times as big again, and is 16 megabits (or two megabytes).
The PS2's 8 megabyte (64 megabit) memory card is another four times as big.
When Sony made the leap to a memory card that was sixty-four times the size of what they were using, Nintendo just thought (yes, I'm a psychic) that was a pointless waste of money, designed to give the PS2 more inflated statistics and make it look more impressive, without giving people something that they actually needed.
Game save data doesn't increase as you make the graphics better or add more FMV to a game.
But, developers will take anything you give them.
By having two 16 megabit cards, and two 4 megabit cards, you have about the equivalent of fourty PSX cards at your disposal. But, the makers of sports games don't think that's enough. You should go buy another MC251. Or pester Nintendo to come out with the next stage of cards (which would be the, most likely purple, 8 megabyte card). Your games will be more fun that way. You should thank them.
My brother (who has a PS2) was watching me play Metroid Prime back when it came out, and he was stunned when I pulled up the GameCube's memory manager screen. "How can the save possibly be only taking up one block? That doesn't seem possible. It's gotta get bigger as you go farther in the game or something."
Post by: DRJ on July 31, 2003, 04:02:11 AM
I was really hoping that the SD adapter would be good. I wanted to be able to back up my game saves to my PC. Plus I thought I would be able to download game saves from the net, but unfortunetely the SD card is only for games designed to use it (i.e. you can use it to email pictures taken from Animal Crossing etc.).
If you really need extra memory pick up a 64 Mb third party card, or wait for Nintendo to upgrade from their 251.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on July 31, 2003, 04:23:48 AM
Mario Sunshine
Eternal Darkness
Metroid Prime
Wind Waker
Ocarina of Time and Master Quest
Star Fox Adventures
XG3
Rogue Leader
Nightfire
Harry Potter
And it's only taken up a fraction of the card.
Is it cause i don't play sports game? Well, yeah
Those games that take up 59 blocks are ludicrous.
Post by: Rhoq on July 31, 2003, 04:45:05 AM
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Originally posted by: Raijin Z
PS2 has no internal storage. WTF are you smoking?
The new version of the PS2 that will be released later this year called the "PSX" will feature an internal hard drive.
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 31, 2003, 05:22:25 AM
I have two Memory Card 59s, and a Memory Card 251.
The 251 is almost full, but it has saved games from about 30 different games.
One of the 59s has my Animal Crossing data on it.
The other 59 is empty.
I really don't see what there is to bitch about.
Post by: Rhoq on July 31, 2003, 06:20:02 AM
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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
Nobody is actually going to buy that unless they just won the lottery or something Rhoq.
True. LOL
I was only trying to validate what GoodRiddance2222 posted regarding the PS2 being able to save "right to the system"
Not that I care, I would never own a PlayStation, unless of course Nintendo bought out Sony and made the PlayStation a Nintendo branded console. But...That would never happen.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on July 31, 2003, 07:18:47 AM
This topic seems like simple flame bait, and you guys think I am a bad guy, LOL
Post by: Ian Sane on July 31, 2003, 07:26:03 AM
Post by: BlkPaladin on July 31, 2003, 08:57:27 AM
Post by: ThePerm on July 31, 2003, 12:39:17 PM
Post by: Raijin Z on July 31, 2003, 01:46:56 PM
For the record, I have a 3rd party 118 card.
Post by: ThePerm on July 31, 2003, 04:46:28 PM
Post by: dafunkk12 on July 31, 2003, 06:27:56 PM
Anyway, if you stop an import game shop, like lik-sang.com or lan-kwei.com, you oughta be able to get a memory card that you can backup to your PC's hardrive (or a diskette, even).
Post by: Raijin Z on July 31, 2003, 07:20:41 PM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm
they use blocks..there is 59 blocks on a memory card 59...they no longer use pages
There are 67 or so kilobits to each "block", but the save files themselves vary in size vastly. They take up one icon apiece in the memory card manager no matter their size. PSX save files larger than 8.5 kiloBYTES take up more than one "block". If a file takes up, say, 5KB, you can't put a 3.5KB file in the same block to fill it out. If a file on a Gamecube card is smaller than 30Kb, you can't put another file of equal size to fill out the extra space in the "block", because Gamecube files aren't saved in "blocks". You could have 80 separate files on a 59 "block" card, if they were small enough, because once again, Gamecube files aren't saved in "blocks". It's only a term applied to the cards for familiarity's sake, so people don't mistake megabits for megabytes. If you wanted to, you could rate your hard drive in blocks, by counting the sectors it contains. It doesn't mean that only one piece of data can fit in each sector.
Post by: progmac on July 31, 2003, 09:48:21 PM
you can't be like.."it's no problem, i have one card for this one for this and one for that, that's only 3 cards." The whole thing seems like an absurd ploy. Nintendo won't discourage games from taking up bunches of room, they do make money selling the cards. Ugh.
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 31, 2003, 10:51:24 PM
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Nintendo won't discourage games from taking up bunches of room, they do make money selling the cards. Ugh.
Then explain the generally low requirements of first party games.
Post by: PIAC on August 01, 2003, 01:05:10 AM
but now you know too much... expect some hired goons at your door any time now
Post by: WesDawg on August 01, 2003, 05:01:12 AM
Post by: DRJ on August 01, 2003, 06:21:38 AM
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The 127 limit is a flaw in the GCN memory manager, there is nothing the memory card can do to increase this limit, however, I dont think anyone will use that many files unless you are taking tons of pictures in SSBM or something like that.
I have a 64 Mb (8MB) card and havnt had any problems. It has 1017 blocks and I have used up only a hundred or so. Most of my games (Nintendo First Party) take up <20 blocks. Pikmin is 19 and OoT is 15, MP is 1 (I dont know how that is possible), SSBM is 11 etc.
If you dont play lots of sports games then a 251 should be fine.
Post by: Cap on August 01, 2003, 10:52:41 AM
really though, the only game i have ever heard anyone complain about IS all star baseball. i dont think many games require the amount of space that game does. i own 18 games, and have gotten by on a mc59 and a mc251 as well as the mc59 that came with animal crossing. i actually had lots of room left until i bought hitman 2 which requires 59 blocks for a single game file, which i dont think should be.
i think part of it is just laziness from the developer.
edit: after reading a few more posts better, i saw that ncaa football requires quite a bit of space to save as well. i dont really play many sports games at all, so maybe hockey just doesnt have as much data as others. it still seems pretty excessive to me though.
Post by: DRJ on August 01, 2003, 01:13:54 PM
O well, hopefully the GCN2 will have a small hard drive like the XBox so this wont be an issue anymore.
