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Title: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch (but others like it)...
Post by: Justin Nation on February 15, 2017, 06:44:15 AM
Not sure who here may even remember me anymore but I'm a massive Nintendo fanboy (and I may have spent some time on this sort of thing at some point) and, even as much as I try to give them the benefit of the doubt, 1-2-Switch STILL pisses me off. If anything, I may actually be most irritated by the fact that my issues with the game are mostly preventable and boil down to marketing, how they've apparently structured it, and how it stands out among so many steps forward as a step back.
I have my Switch impressions article going through the process and it will touch on some of this in that space. Wondering what people would think about something more long form, a sort of rant on the game and the missed opportunities and misfires I see in it.
Oh, and how are some of the old folks doing? It's been a (long) while...
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Soren on February 15, 2017, 08:32:09 AM
1,2 Switch is the game this forum is least sold on going by the poll (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=51205.0) of 1st party games I ran.
This game suffers the same problem as NintendoLand for me. I don't play local multiplayer games. It will probably be good and polished but ultimately I don't care. And I doubt much of the west really cares either.
Part of the problem stems from its long, drawn out introduction during the Nintendo Switch event, which in itself also hurt the Switch because of the focus on the controllers instead of the initial hook of the teaser trailer.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: ClexYoshi on February 15, 2017, 09:29:34 AM
First of all, good to see you on the forums! my introduction to you was for Dr. Metts' book interview, as I didn't start lurking around this corner of the internet until early 2011.
Secondly, 1, 2, switch is a difficult thing to quantify... like, I actually get the actual value of this game, but it DESPERATLEY needed to be a pack-in game. the idea here is that this is your convversation starter. some of the promotional material for this is PERFECT. more often than not, I get dragged to say... a high school graduation for one of my father's friend's kids or for a cousin's friend's party of some sort. sometimes, this tends to be a backyard BBQ or like... at a gazebo at a park out in the middle of nowhere.
Normally, I'll either be an anti-social boob and play some sort of 3DS title, or i'll bring SOMETHING that's a conversation starter as a way to break the ice. something ridiculous. sometimes, that ends up being my kirby figure, unto which I then post to twitter a series of pictures of Kirby feasting upon delicious italian beef with sweet peppers or something. it's dumb and harmless other than making people think i'm a giant man-child, but... what else is new?
1, 2, switch is just stupid and ridiculous enough, as well as being the natural sequel to Wild Gunman that this would have been PERFECT as either a pack-in, or as something sold piecemeal digitally. This game's value is in the same value as say... assembling a flash mob. it's attention grabbing idiocy that draws eyeballs to the two morons playing, and to your Nintendo Switch. By proxy, this game pretty much is the word of mouth marketing they want. it's also quite possible that this is the game that nintendo might not be able to monetize gameplay of people on the internet playing.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Justin Nation on February 15, 2017, 10:26:19 AM
In order to not get into complete rant mode here (will save it for an article) I'll be very brief:
1) It is possible to argue what merits it has, regardless of shortcomings, but nothing will justify the price they are charging ($10 less than Zelda stings) 2) Let's say you have a family, you get the Switch, and this is the ONLY game you get, believing it represents Nintendo's best foot forward for this new awesome platform. Again, considering the price, when everyone settles into the fact that once you play most of these mini-games more than 2 - 3 times you've exhausted pretty much everything there is to do... the system is about to sit an get dusty 3) There are cheaper and, I'd argue, better party games coming to Switch right off the bat in terms of number of people who can play, likely longevity, and even crazy fun. Quiplash 2, included in Jackbox Party Pack 3 I guarantee would create a far more raucous and funny situation even right off the bat, but certainly over a longer haul. It is probably the best party game I've ever played, and at a party where we played it first and then Cards Against Humanity (with even all of its high praises) pretty well everyone decided to go back to Quiplash.
There's more, but again, I think I'll save for a full-on rant. Just with the points trying to elaborate on a bigger picture to this and why it has me irritated. I think Nintendo may actually be harming themselves, and not just for the normal kiddie or waggle-fest arguments... but very objective and fair criticisms. Just so much great in this launch and early on and this is SUCH a collective turd. :)
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 15, 2017, 11:55:26 AM
If you don't like it, don't buy it, problem solved.
Seriously, there's a reason the Super Bowl add that million of people saw focused on just Zelda. Yes Nintendo wants 1-2 Switch to become the next Wii Sports but they're not crazy enough to try and force that to happen. Right now, Zelda looks to probably have an over 80% attachment rate at the Switch launch so for all purposes, Zelda is the game most will be associating the Switch with.
Unless there's some disastrous secret we don't know yet that's going to cause Breath of the Wild to get terrible reviews and kill it's word of mouth, any potential 1-2 Switch shortcomings aren't going to affect the Switch that much.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: nickmitch on February 15, 2017, 12:32:13 PM
Yeah, the games on 1-2 Switch don't look all that great for playing more than a few times.
I'm in a situation similar to Clex. I often want to bring my Wii U with me on travel to catch up on games, but I never want to bring the system and the big ass controller (let alone enough accessories for multiplayer). The cool thing about the Wii U would've been that, even if I couldn't hook it up to the hotel TV (becoming less of an issue in modern hotel rooms), I could still play in my room, like I would my 3DS. With the Switch, I could play it just as easily as the 3DS and not have to worry about hooking to any TVs.
But the Switch offers the plus of being able to bring the system around and show it off to people. Traveling with a Wii was almost always cumbersome, but could usually provide hours of group fun. The Switch would give me the same social benefit of packing a Wii with me, without the need for a bunch of extra crap (nunchucks, batteries, etc). Everything you need for multiplayer is right there, and you don't even need a TV. And it has a kickstand, so I don't have to prop it up or anything.
The problem comes in with the big multiplayer game, 1-2 Switch. Sure, it'll be fun the first few times I pull it out, but I might get bored with it quickly. I'm not sold that it'll be fun for me to pull out in a big group. But I really want to be.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Stogi on February 15, 2017, 12:37:57 PM
From what I heard, it makes a great drinking game.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Justin Nation on February 15, 2017, 12:57:31 PM
The problem comes in with the big multiplayer game, 1-2 Switch. Sure, it'll be fun the first few times I pull it out, but I might get bored with it quickly. I'm not sold that it'll be fun for me to pull out in a big group. But I really want to be.
In the specific situation you describe, where you want to bring it around for people to have fun, but don't necessarily want to gear up, until Arms hits it is possible 1-2-Switch could be your best bet, sadly. I'd still pick Jackbox Party Pack generally but assuming they don't make a fundamental change to that game if you somehow couldn't guarantee wi-fi access that game would be dead in the water. While I love Bomberman if you didn't have a TV the multi-player for it wouldn't be as viable (or maybe not at all, wouldn't know without trying).
So if you anticipated being somewhere with no TV to hook up to AND no wi-fi BUT you still wanted to do multi-player could 1-2-Switch win? Maybe if you didn't have Snipperclips which I thought I'd heard was going to be a mere $20 and I'd wager could quickly get crowd participation going as long as everyone could see it in that little screen. Just the Big N sort of painted themselves into the corner with this one and that price point is really a crippler, it raises the expectation bar.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: nickmitch on February 15, 2017, 02:34:36 PM
In the specific situation you describe, where you want to bring it around for people to have fun, but don't necessarily want to gear up, until Arms hits it is possible 1-2-Switch could be your best bet, sadly.
But then Arms might require the second set of Joycon to really get people interested, and I don't know about getting another pair until at least the holiday.
Snipperclipps could work, as it'd be fun to see people struggle to work together. Unfortunately, games like Bomberman and Puyo Puyo Tetris are much fun to play, much less fun to watch in a group. Great for small groups though.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: TOPHATANT123 on February 15, 2017, 03:00:26 PM
People are comparing it to Wii Play as a tech demo, even forgetting the free controller I think 1-2 Switch looks worse than Wii Play. It had a good variety of mini games that could be played both in single player and multiplayer as well as medals and scoreboards to encourage replayability. 1-2 Switch's single player looks incredibly weak, most of the multiplayer games look as though they'll get boring fast and I don't see anything that will give you a reason to come back once you've played them all a couple times. There are 28 minigames so there should be a good amount of variety, and the technology behind it is cool I guess?
I was skeptical of ARMS at first but I've warmed up to it. Motion controls are optional and it has depth with different weapons and special moves as well as the the typical fighting game triangle where grab beats block, block beats attack and attack beats grab.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Justin Nation on February 15, 2017, 03:13:31 PM
Yeah, compared to the precedents of Wii Sports and even NintendoLand Nintendo went wide this time and not deep. It makes for impressive numbers of the package but once people realize that only a portion of the games are playable beyond the "Hey, this is pretty neat" phase it quickly falls apart. Wii Sports obviously heavily encouraged people to play the games repeatedly and NintendoLand, while hardly perfect, featured games that may have been built in some gimmicks in some cases but also had some genuine depth to them.
As for Arms it looks great and I was surprised how well the punching mechanics worked but the tank-style controls, the buttons for jump and dodge, and even the movement to reliably and quickly block I didn't quickly get the hang of. I didn't get a lot of time so maybe they work out once you get used to them but in some ways I was surprised I found the control mechanic I was most worried about was the easiest and the most fundamental I found the most aggravating. The ability to play without motion control is important and could be helpful but I do wonder how well, lacking the nuance of the motion controls, it will end up standing up.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Agent-X- on February 15, 2017, 04:45:58 PM
My biggest gripe with 1-2 Switch is simply that it ate up time during Nintendo's presentation... That they thought to showcase the title rather than concentrate on something actually fun.
Do they honestly think that 1-2 Switch has Wii Sports potential? I don't even mind that they're not packing that game in, as I probably wouldn't be buying a $350 Switch with a game I don't want. So... at least they got that right since there was no way they would eat a small loss on hardware by adding a pack in game.
Strange thing is that I'm still majorly miffed that they used presentation time to showcase 1-2 Switch. I would have rather they showcased actual games with that time.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Evan_B on February 15, 2017, 04:56:53 PM
What did 1-2 Switch ever do to you, man?
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Justin Nation on February 15, 2017, 05:18:39 PM
In this case it is me stepping out of it as a person and viewing it as a fan who wants them to be successful and do smart things. They've done a lot of things very right, some things that you could argue, but then there's 1-2-Switch sitting there like a turd in the middle of the floor that everyone sees but people are nervous to talk about. I'm helping to break the silence, Nintendo needs to show more wisdom, and there's no progress towards solving a problem when people fail first to acknowledge it.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Mop it up on February 15, 2017, 05:43:12 PM
Your name looks familiar, I think I remember you mainly from the PGC days, which was before I posted. Still, welcome back, mate!
I still feel 1 2 Switch (or Twelve Switch as I can't help but call it) is such an obvious pack-in game, to the point where I don't understand why it isn't at least in NA (Wii Sports wasn't a pack-in in Japan). I just don't see it selling well on its own, but I could see it being a hit in the case of "Well, this came with the system, might as well try it out." That's at least the case with me anyway... it's tough to see myself buying it, but I'd probably be satisfied with it as a pack-in. Which probably sounds weird, but yeah, whatever extra profit they get by selling this separately probably isn't worth what it could achieve as a pack-in.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Justin Nation on February 15, 2017, 06:22:47 PM
There was an excellent point made by someone, somewhere, that I saw that completely killed the concept of it being a pack-in for me. Their contention was that if they'd made 1-2-Switch their pack-in game Nintendo would have essentially been communicating to everyone that it was their vision for the system. It was what everyone would have, everyone would play, and it would be perceived as a return to the Wii with Wii Sports as a casual/family console first. Well, plus it would send a poor message about the quality of games they're making for the Switch as well. I consider them not packing it in, now, a bullet dodged and a very good move.
As for from the PGC days, yeah, I wrote for the site and wrote the original back-end for it when everything went more "modern". Before that I started The 64 Source and OperatioN2000, and before that I was a staff writer in the twilight year or so of the N64HQ. Just been busy, but Nintendo is back to having something I can't help talking about.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Mop it up on February 15, 2017, 07:02:08 PM
I can see where that explanation comes from, and it could be a reason why Nintendo aren't packing in a game. Personally, I think it's insulting to the intelligence of the average consumer and hardcore gamers, though it's likely that I'm once again giving them too much credit...!
They can also get around that by offering more than one bundle, like the other systems do. They have bundles with "casual" games and with "hardcore" games.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 15, 2017, 07:12:40 PM
They can also get around that by offering more than one bundle, like the other systems do. They have bundles with "casual" games and with "hardcore" games.
I think Nintendo made a conscious choice to keep things simple and only offer one SKU at launch.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 15, 2017, 07:51:30 PM
Honestly, I don't mind 1,2 Switch. It seem interesting and Nintendo is still trying to innovate and create fun games. However, your complaints have merit.
1) The price of the game for the content doesn't feel right. I am sure there was a lot of testing and perfecting each of the games, and that costs time and money, but the whole package doesn't look like it should have cost that much money.
2) Limited Scope. Nintendo should have packaged this with a full controller set up and allowed for 4 player games. This game seems like fun for 2 players, but the whole concept works much better as a 4 player game. For instance Quick Draw. If you are watching your opponents and you have to judge which person might shoot at you. It would make the game more fun. Maybe that is impossible without a camera to watch all the players. Then just have a vibration for the 2 players that are going to fight, and then they shoot at each other. It still works. But 4 players would totally make the game play better and with a packaged in controller might make the game feel worth even full Zelda Price.
3) vary the kinds of party games more. You have 20 something party games based on the theme of looking at your opponent and not the TV. Cool. But what would have been awesome is putting 4-5 games that are traditional party games that use the TV or screen. Like the Wii Play Tank Game with 4 players battling would have been nice. Simple games that are just designed to be quick fun competitive games.
It sounds like I am complaining a lot, but overall I think the game could be great fun for families, parties, and it could have that Wii Sports/Wii Play feel and popularity to it...I think that is what Nintendo is hoping for, but even they know it needed A LOT of content which is why they have 20+ mini games in it.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: ThePerm on February 15, 2017, 07:57:52 PM
Can we all just agree Zelda is a fantastic deal. It is huge. It's probably as big as three zelda games.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: nickmitch on February 15, 2017, 11:01:12 PM
They can also get around that by offering more than one bundle, like the other systems do. They have bundles with "casual" games and with "hardcore" games.
I think Nintendo made a conscious choice to keep things simple and only offer one SKU at launch.
Aren't there two SKUs? One for Grey and one for Neon?
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 15, 2017, 11:13:22 PM
They can also get around that by offering more than one bundle, like the other systems do. They have bundles with "casual" games and with "hardcore" games.
I think Nintendo made a conscious choice to keep things simple and only offer one SKU at launch.
Aren't there two SKUs? One for Grey and one for Neon?
Yeah, I guess that's true. I was thinking in terms of pack-ins or extra storage or whatever, but they did do the different colors.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Evan_B on February 15, 2017, 11:21:09 PM
Judging by the topic emoticon and Justin's stance, I think he might be a hater.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: ShyGuy on February 15, 2017, 11:23:51 PM
Judging by the topic emoticon and Justin's stance, I think he might be a hater.
Didn't he hate something about the Wii or Wii U back during their launch? I may be mixing up esteemed PGC old timers...
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Kairon on February 16, 2017, 12:06:19 AM
I was actually thinking of making a topic called: "Convince Me To Buy 1-2 Switch"...
I've said it before and I'll say it again. 1-2 Switch makes me think a LOT of Warioware: Smooth Moves, and I've just never understood the appeal of Warioware games in the first place. *shrug*
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Lemonade on February 16, 2017, 01:31:11 AM
I dont like the look of 1-2-Switch either. Im pretty sure its going to flop.
At least Nintendo Land had some actual good games in it.
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Post by: Kairon on February 16, 2017, 01:39:02 AM
Oh man, Nintendo Land was AMAZING. The Zelda and Metroid games were mind-blowing, and the Mario game was a much-needed successor to the amazing Pac-man VS.
Nintendo Land had difficulty communicating with consumers just how amazing it was, but it WAS a great game.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Ian Sane on February 16, 2017, 02:05:00 AM
1-2-Switch looks like it will be a Wii Music style bomb. I feel that Nintendo is really out-of-touch on the commercial appeal of this one. I think there are executives in Nintendo that are not handling the casual game fad ending well and so we still get the odd waggle-fest game that feels like a desperate attempt to recapture the Wii. For the most part Nintendo has gone back to traditional gaming but suddenly they'll throw in some weird gimmick control game like Star Fox Zero and you'll wonder what year they're living in. 1-2-Switch feels like someone at Nintendo still thinks it's 2007. The fact that it dominated the beginning of their Switch presentation suggests it's someone with a lot of clout. And like Wii Music, 1-2-Switch seems to miss the mark on exactly how simplistic a game needs to be to have casual appeal.
I don't have to buy this and there are other Switch games that look interesting. My beef with it would be entirely in how it could make a bad first impression for the Switch, particularly if it is marketed in a way that makes it synonymous with the system itself. A dud game doesn't really matter four years into a system's life but it can make a big difference if it's a heavily promoted launch game.
I think that part of the Gamecube's weak sales were due to Luigi's Mansion giving it a poor first impression. Luigi's Mansion isn't a bad game but it's a weekend rental. I literally rented it and ran out of things to do before my rental was up. There were other Cube launch or near-launch games like Rogue Leader, Pikmin and SSB Melee that had a lot more depth and made a much stronger first impression. But Nintendo focused a lot of their marketing on Luigi, positioning it as their flagship title. Meanwhile the Cube went directly up against the Xbox launch and MS focused their marketing on Halo. Nintendo focused on one of their weaker launch titles and MS focused on their strongest. Here was Nintendo needing to impress people after the N64 was generally seen as a disappointment and they flubbed it.
So today Nintendo has to bounce back from the Wii U. You can safely assume that people are just ready to write them off. Zelda is the sort of the game that can make a very strong impression. 1-2-Switch however seems like the sort of game that would confirm the negative biases in a Nintendo detractor's mind. The last thing Nintendo should want to promote with the Switch is the idea that it's going to be a console for casual gimmick games with negligible gameplay. Hopefully the game just flops and is ignored while everyone is impressed by Zelda.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Stogi on February 16, 2017, 02:42:20 AM
I really like the ingenuity involved to even think about making a game like 1-2 Switch. Like, "What if we don't look at the screen at all?" It's that type of idea that turns your entire thought process on its head, and I respect that.
That said, making a fun, interactive game where you don't look at the screen sounds like an incredible challenge as well; a challenge that isn't necessary to show off the system. So they could have taken the low hanging fruit and developed pretty much any other type of game and probably would have generated more interest. And that's the problem. It's hard to understand as a concept and thus looks only mildly interesting.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Khushrenada on February 16, 2017, 02:59:26 AM
Judging by the topic emoticon and Justin's stance, I think he might be a hater.
Nuts! Beat me to the joke. Although, isn't the opposite of what a person says? Like not a hater means they are a hater so saying they are a hater means they are not a hater? But, hey, I'm just some guy who's not devastatingly handsome, not incredibly intelligent and not a very funny dude, so what do I know?
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Justin Nation on February 16, 2017, 04:49:08 AM
I was actually thinking of making a topic called: "Convince Me To Buy 1-2 Switch"...
I've said it before and I'll say it again. 1-2 Switch makes me think a LOT of Warioware: Smooth Moves, and I've just never understood the appeal of Warioware games in the first place. *shrug*
Aww, see now, that's a central part of my argument. What would have at least made 1-2-Switch BETTER would have been to put a framework like WarioWare around it. In that case you've opened the door to single-player, you embrace the simplicity/novelty of the games, and you cover for the simplicity by making them very silly, steadily increasing the rate you need to do things, and add in the challenge of people having to quickly recognize the game in question and doing the appropriate thing. THAT would have made a lot of sense!
If you generally don't "get" WarioWare there isn't much to it. You have "micro games" (ones usually with only a single objective that can be executed in about 5 - 10 seconds), you put ridiculous/silly theming around them, you randomize the order they're presented to the player in, you minorly increase the difficulty and speed of the challenges for every level the person improves to. Then you populate the game with strange characters and you group micro games with somewhat similar concepts to match a given friend of Wario.
Very simple, it can be very fun (if you're into it), and it diminishes the need to take a long look at any of the individual games, so you don't tend to dwell on their shortcomings. Take the simple one-dimensional games out of that framework, and then make pained intro videos for each one trying to convince you, in advance, of how much fun this game is going to be... and you have 1-2-Switch.
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Post by: Justin Nation on February 16, 2017, 04:50:49 AM
At least Nintendo Land had some actual good games in it.
Yeah, comparisons to Wii Sports and NintendoLand IMHO are very unfair to those titles, which both had their faults, but both delivered some games that you could realistically play for quite a long time since they weren't completely centered on a gimmick, they had some shards of meaningful gameplay that featured a gimmick.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Justin Nation on February 16, 2017, 04:51:58 AM
Judging by the topic emoticon and Justin's stance, I think he might be a hater.
Nuts! Beat me to the joke. Although, isn't the opposite of what a person says? Like not a hater means they are a hater so saying they are a hater means they are not a hater?
Maybe I'm an incredibly deep Sony plant who was strategically put in place in approximately 1996 to gain the trust of Nintendo fans and then, over 20 years later, bring Nintendo's weakest title in an otherwise impressive launch line-up down on the internet! ;)
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Justin Nation on February 16, 2017, 05:00:30 AM
Didn't he hate something about the Wii or Wii U back during their launch? I may be mixing up esteemed PGC old timers...
Hard to say, I've never typically been quiet (whether on here or not would be a question, though) when I have a bone to pick with something Nintendo is doing. If it was extra-salty may also have been "Rick Powers"... we were the more traditionally-gripey kinds of folks. :)
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Post by: Soren on February 16, 2017, 07:09:22 AM
Maybe I'm an incredibly deep Sony plant who was strategically put in place in approximately 1996 to gain the trust of Nintendo fans and then, over 20 years later, bring Nintendo's weakest title in an otherwise impressive launch line-up down on the internet! ;)
I mean, I feel like that's been the trajectory of most people who used to be big Nintendo fans. Ultimately they have some nostalgia for the systems they played but they've moved on to other systems, or PC gaming in general. Never mind that most devs on that side make similar games as Nintendo games, it's just they're not given the same level of attention as a game like 1-2 Switch.
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Post by: lolmonade on February 16, 2017, 08:54:23 AM
I look forward to picking it up for $20 six months from now and still only playing it on a Friday/Saturday night after a few drinks.
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Post by: Justin Nation on February 16, 2017, 10:29:08 AM
My thoughts exactly, at best it would be a bargain bin pickup for a specific party or maybe a very slow weekend
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Kairon on February 16, 2017, 06:25:48 PM
Just for the record, Im skeptical on 1-2 Switch, and Wii Music is one of my TOP 10 Wii games. Maybe even Top 5.
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Post by: KeyBilly on February 16, 2017, 06:27:57 PM
This thread is entertaining. It is nice to see you after hearing you in the interview.
I can't disagree with anything you say, even if I've been trying to convince myself otherwise. The sad thing is that I like quirky and creative Nintendo. This just isn't a positive form of it. It doesn't present well, looking far too much like the Wii mini-game collections that made people so cynical and ended the Wii's impressive lifespan with a deadening thud. The idea of bringing back motion controls for mini-games as a selling point right at the beginning just feels tone-deaf, while they are getting some other big things right.
The game makes Wii Sports and Nintendo Land look like Mozart. People called Wii Sports a collection of tech demos, but 1-2-Switch is what that actually looks like. It works to show off some controller features, similar to the AR card games on the 3DS, but that is all. Even if it came on the system, I don't see many people spending more than 10-20 minutes fooling around with it. That is one bright side -- if you spend $50 on it, you are more likely to give all the experiences a try and force it on your friends. A pack-in is easily forgotten.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Mop it up on February 16, 2017, 07:15:31 PM
I haven't been following this game since the reveal. Do you not look at the screen for any of the games?
I haven't been following this game since the reveal. Do you not look at the screen for any of the games?
You don't need to for the most part, you generally experience the game through tactile feel and audio. There can be things shown on screen indicating progress or success in some cases, but part of the gimmick is that it generally isn't necessary.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Justin Nation on February 16, 2017, 07:45:23 PM
Decided to create a meme to help me express my feelings through humor... This had damned well better be completely hypothetical!
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Khushrenada on February 17, 2017, 02:06:37 AM
Welp, you sold me. I'm going all in on 1-2-Switch and skipping Zelda. If it sucks, I'm blaming you and going to take it to parties everywhere so people can see why they shouldn't but a Switch since it only plays games like 1-2-Switch.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Justin Nation on February 17, 2017, 05:02:09 AM
I don't doubt you could extract some enjoyment from it if you can convince your friends or family (perhaps alcohol will need to be involved) to make utter asses of themselves, but I'd anticipate you'd only be able to pull that off with the same group maybe twice, and even then you may want to space it out. There's a place for it, but the price point really sends all of the bad messages as a core. I'd still object to the game's content and the fact that it is a sub-par effort that stands out saying they still haven't learned their lessons about the casual market (and may even be reverting further somehow) but you mix that with the price and they're outright ripping people off and risking it turning people away from the system if this were the only game they got.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: Mop it up on February 17, 2017, 04:21:05 PM
You don't need to for the most part, you generally experience the game through tactile feel and audio. There can be things shown on screen indicating progress or success in some cases, but part of the gimmick is that it generally isn't necessary.
In that case, and looking into things further, I think this game is different than I was originally envisioning. I no longer think it should be a pack-in.
That's my intent, I'm guessing I'm probably not going to be alone given the shortage of systems. 1-2-Switch isn't going to force an early adoption.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch
Post by: nickmitch on March 06, 2017, 02:42:59 PM
Not sure if we're using this as the official 1-2, Switch thread, but I liked it so here goes.
I got the game on Friday and spent time playing it on Sunday with my girlfriend. I genuinely enjoyed this, you guys! The fact that there are 28 games total and that the main mode was a board game style format is what sold me initially. Plus, I really wanted something that took advantage of the HD rumble.
So, there's three modes: one board game (as mentioned), a randomizer (just plays a game a random), and then you can just pick one. We played quite a few of the games both via selection and via the random tool. The Copy Dance game is a lot of fun as you dance and try to copy each other's poses. There's a beach flag game where you run in place and then lift up a "flag" as the joycon vibrates. We had a good time trying to mess each other up while playing games like Zen (where you just hold a yoga pose) and another game where you have to rotate the joycon without shaking to much.
A surprising number of games required only one joycon. Eating Contest was one, but that used the camera, so it made sense. There was another game where you shake a bottle and pass the joycon. If it pops on you, you lose. This has the most potential for a drinking game.
All in all, I think it's a fun collection. The videos are cute and helpful to explain the games. Admittedly, I had trouble with Ball Count, and I wish the games were more consistent on whether or not they used the straps. Taking the straps on and off felt cumbersome. I also appreciated the game telling you the level of activity required for each game.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch (but others like it)...
Post by: Khushrenada on March 06, 2017, 05:14:29 PM
So, there's three modes: one board game (as mentioned), a randomizer (just plays a game a random), and then you can just pick one.
Thanks for writing your impressions. I think I might pick this up on the cheap somewhere down the line once I get a Switch. Bomberman R would be a priority first, but after that I think I'd try to pick up 1-2 Switch. Kind of a shame it wasn't a pack-in; Nintendo Land discs went for dirt cheap pretty soon after those consoles' releases.
Question: does the board game mode look/play something like Mario Party/Wii Party U? Or maybe more along the lines of Smash Board in the latest Smash Bros game? I like the idea of having the outcome of several minigames add up into the broader encompassing boardgame.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch (but others like it)...
Post by: Wah on March 08, 2017, 05:41:05 AM
It's a tech demo not a game.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch (but others like it)...
Post by: nickmitch on March 08, 2017, 12:41:14 PM
So, there's three modes: one board game (as mentioned), a randomizer (just plays a game a random), and then you can just pick one.
Thanks for writing your impressions. I think I might pick this up on the cheap somewhere down the line once I get a Switch. Bomberman R would be a priority first, but after that I think I'd try to pick up 1-2 Switch. Kind of a shame it wasn't a pack-in; Nintendo Land discs went for dirt cheap pretty soon after those consoles' releases.
Question: does the board game mode look/play something like Mario Party/Wii Party U? Or maybe more along the lines of Smash Board in the latest Smash Bros game? I like the idea of having the outcome of several minigames add up into the broader encompassing boardgame.
After digging around, I finally found where someone posted a gameplay video that gives a better explanation of Team Battle. This should answer your questions. Maybe that should've been the official thread, lol. Sorry, Azeke.
After watching Giant Bomb preview video about the game i realized that "1-2 Switch" game encapsulates the merge of Nintendo SPD (WarioWare, Rhythm Heaven, Tomodachi) and Nintendo EAD groups.
Also -- you've been lied to.
Main mode of 1-2 Switch is not minigames. The main mode is Team Battle which a board party game like Mario Party.
Structure of the each mini-game is like this: you pick a game, they you are shown a video that explains how to play and then you play it. Well that's pretty much copied from SPD's Rhythm Heaven.
But the bigger structure is that of a party game with two teams taking turns moving their pieces on a board, a-la Mario Party or Wii Party.
I don't feel those terms are mutually exclusive. Wii Sports and Nintendoland were both tech demos. I wouldn't say they weren't games as well. I also wouldn't use "tech demo" to be derogatory or dismissive of a title either.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch (but others like it)...
Post by: nickmitch on March 08, 2017, 01:03:32 PM
I was looking at some reviews for this game, and I must say, critics seem unjustly harsh on this title (http://www.metacritic.com/game/switch/1-2-switch/critic-reviews).
So many of the reviews talk about the price, saying it should've been a pack-in or "$20 max". Personally, I think price is more of a consumer's choice and shouldn't weigh down the review, but I can see where $50 may be a little high for it (even though that's already the budget price). I would've said $40 is more of the sweet spot. $20 is insulting.
A few reviews bring up Zelda as a comparison, as if you'd be playing Zelda and 1-2, Switch in the same context. I'm also not really sure what people are talking about regarding depth and replay-ability. I get that there's not highscores to go for and there's no point in "mastering" the minigames, but they're minigames. They don't need to have that much depth, unlike Wario Ware and Rhythm Heaven where you play mostly play solo. And I think they're fun enough to want to break out around a group friends at least a few times. This just isn't a 1 player game, plain and simple.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch (but others like it)...
Post by: ThePerm on March 11, 2017, 01:37:31 AM
when 1 2 Switch is a bargain bin title I'll bet they'll sure be changing their tune. The price for this title is likely to drop.
It's interesting to watch zeitgeist think develop.
When Duke Nukem 64 came out people thought it was old with dated graphics. But really the original had only came out the previous year and everyone thought it was amazing when it came out. It's amazing how everyone turns into a horde of opinion zombies so easily.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch (but others like it)...
Post by: Lemonade on March 12, 2017, 07:31:10 AM
I played some of 1-2-Switch today. I liked the minigame with the balls in the box and the safe opening one. For what it is, I think the game should be way cheaper. It really should have been packed in with the system.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch (but others like it)...
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 12, 2017, 09:16:51 PM
I think eventually it will be packed in...or perhaps the original plan was to pack it in...but Nintendo felt either A) there was enough value to make it a full game. B) They changed their mind because a lot of money was spent developing and creating the game and selling it helps balance the cost of development. C) Nintendo needed another game to sell at launch and thought this is the only game ready.
It is honestly probably a combination of many of those...a packed in game could have been nice for the system...and I hope Nintendo does it for the Christmas packaging, but I think some early adopters will be upset about it.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch (but others like it)...
Post by: Lemonade on March 13, 2017, 09:01:10 AM
I have just been playing Nintendo Land for the first time in almost exactly three years. It is so much better than 1-2-Switch. I really dont know how Nintendo think they can charge so much for 1-2-Switch. As a minigame collection, its pretty terrible compared to Nintendo Land.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch (but others like it)...
Post by: nickmitch on March 13, 2017, 05:40:19 PM
I may have to give Nintendoland another go. I don't remember liking it that much. I'm sure the games have more depth.
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch (but others like it)...
Post by: Khushrenada on March 13, 2017, 06:02:25 PM
I've still yet to get around to Nintendo Land myself. It's still wrapped in its plastic. I've been curious to play it but have always had other things I want to get into. I will say this about Breath of the Wild. It's got me excited to just dive into all the Wii U games I still need to play including Nintendo Land. Gaming!!!!!
Title: Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch (but others like it)...
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 13, 2017, 06:05:48 PM
Nintendo Land is one of the best local multiplayer games I've ever played. I wish I had more opportunities to play it with 4 or 5 people.
