Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on July 29, 2003, 06:47:28 AM
Today: Mario Golf (I'm renting it as soon as I finish posting)
25th Aug: Pokémon Pinball: Ruby and Sapphire, F-Zero GX
8th Sep: Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
13th Oct: Kirby Air Ride
21st Oct: Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3
27th Oct: Pikmin 2
11th Nov: Mario Party 5
17th Nov: Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, Mario and Luigi: Super Star Saga
1st Dec: 1080 Avalanche, Pokémon Channel, Sword of Mana
That's the entire schedule for the year, and I'm looking forward to every bit of it!
Post by: Fish on July 29, 2003, 06:50:18 AM
Post by: Rhoq on July 29, 2003, 07:00:02 AM
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Not to mention several third and second party games like MGS and Rebel Strike
The Suffering
Beyond Good & Evil
WrestleMania X9
XGRA
Soul Calibur II
Post by: Gup on July 29, 2003, 07:15:05 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 29, 2003, 07:20:41 AM
Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life - Sept 2
XIII - Sept 3
Resident Evil: Code Veronica - Sept 9
Auto Modellista - Sept 30
Viewtiful Joe - Oct 5
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse - Oct 31
I-Ninja
Medal of Honor: Rising Sun
SSX 3
StarCraft: Ghost
Need For Speed Underground
Zanzarah: The Hidden Portal
There's my 3rd party list for the rest of this year.
Post by: Ryujin on July 29, 2003, 07:43:00 AM
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Originally posted by: kirby_killer_dedede
From today until the end of the year, Nintendo's going to be rolling in dough, as the best Gamecube games byfar are set to be released!
Today: Mario Golf (I'm renting it as soon as I finish posting)
25th Aug: Pokémon Pinball: Ruby and Sapphire, F-Zero GX
8th Sep: Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
13th Oct: Kirby Air Ride
21st Oct: Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3
27th Oct: Pikmin 2
11th Nov: Mario Party 5
17th Nov: Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, Mario and Luigi: Super Star Saga
1st Dec: 1080 Avalanche, Pokémon Channel, Sword of Mana
That's the entire schedule for the year, and I'm looking forward to every bit of it!
Well, I don't have a GBA... Mario Golf and Pokemon Pinball are spinoffs, and probably aren't that great/don't sell that well... The only GC game there that I feel deserves my meager amount of cash is MK and possibly Pinkmin 2... Most those games don't seem like huge sellers to me, or am I missing something? Most look like spinoffs, redos of old games, or sequels of games that aren't THAT popular....
Spinoffs: Mario Golf, Pokémon Pinball, Kirby Air Ride, Mario and Luigi: Super Star Saga, Pokémon Channel
Sequel to Mediocre game: Mario Party 5
REDO of old games: Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3
Games perhaps worth buying: Mario Kart: Double Dash!! (only one I personally am definately buying), Pikmin 2 (never bought the first, so we'll see), F-Zero GX (not into the F-Zero games, but I think many are), 1080 Avalanche (not into these kinda games, but I'm not gonna say it's bad cuz I dunno)
I'm not trying to be mean, but it seems like you guys get too excited about games that don't seem to have too much potential. I always used to get excited when I saw these posts, but after playing too many games that this board was excited about and not having any fun, I'm not buying into the 'there are 20 awesome games coming out this year'...
Give me an actual pokemon game, not a cheap crap spinoff, or a new real game with mario and luigi in it, not a 10 year old game or a game where I can golf as Mario... Mario Party is fun for about 4 games and 2 versions, but the fifth game? come on...
I want awesome multiplayer games (maybe Nintendo should make an awesome FPS? I'm sure they could come up with something really creative...) The only good mp games I've played for GC are TS2, SSBM, and monkey ball. MKDD better be awesome as hell for how long it's taken... I wish they'd concentrate on bigger newer games and things like MK instead of making 10 little spinoff games and mediocre game and then finally working on Zeldas, Marios, Mario Karts, etc. And since they want to be so innovative, make an innovative game that will last a long time in MP and has a good SP, not just these 'original' games that are only SP and last 10-15 hours (pikmin)...
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on July 29, 2003, 08:22:19 AM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on July 29, 2003, 08:24:26 AM
Post by: Ryujin on July 29, 2003, 08:35:59 AM
Post by: DRJ on July 29, 2003, 08:48:28 AM
Nintendo has a really good lineup for the rest of the year. All I hear for XBox lately is Halo II, but that is just one game. Nintendo has a great lineup of quality games and a large variety so everyone should find something that they like.
If you can look at Nintendo's lineup and not find a couple games that interest you then you should go sell you GCN, 'cause you will never be happy with it. I'm just glad they pushed some of the games back like FFCC to give me more time to buy them all.
Post by: Ryujin on July 29, 2003, 09:16:43 AM
I currently have: Tony Hawk 3, Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil, TS2, Metroid Prime, SSBM, and Star Wars Bounty hunter (I think that's what it's called, my friend bought it for my bday for like 15 bucks, lol).
I'm probably getting Wind Waker once I save up some money... I jusy really don't feel that most of the games currently coming out are worth my money when I can't buy too many games... I would buy all the GC games with scores higher than 8 if I could, but I cant, lol. It's hard to know if I'll really like a game, because most Nintendo games get really mixed reviews (like pikmin)...
So, I want more games that will last a long time and I know I will like. I'd like MKDD soon... I like games where there are tons of unlockables (like SSBM)... I wish that Nintendo would collaborate with someone and make an original FPS with tons of awards and unlockables. I like TS2, but it's too fast paced, even on slow, and I find it hard to aim. I really like Halo (and I'm good at it), but I refuse to buy an xbox for one game... I wish Nintendo had a FPS on par with Halo, or the Goldeneye. One reason I bought a 'Cube was for the next Rare FPS... I was hoping for kind of a mix between PD (or GE) and Halo. Tons of weapons like PD, vehicles and a fun sniper gun like Halo. I want the bots and tons of options PD had, but also the cool variations of game modes Halo had. And solid control would be nice, not feeling like you're floating around. Also have grenades like they are in Halo, but we also need cool stuff like proxy mines and the cool different weaps PD had, like the slayer. Then add flying vehicles and parachutes (like BF1942), and maybe classes like team fortress or BF1942. Maybe only classes in some gametypes, or it's an option.
This would be truly awesome, then maybe make it a little nintendoey somehow (not sure how, maybe a cartoony FPS?). Maybe it could be similar to the Metroid prime series (not gameplay wise, but art style wise, and character looking)..?
Sorry, got a bit off topic
Post by: WesDawg on July 29, 2003, 09:17:26 AM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on July 29, 2003, 02:33:48 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 29, 2003, 02:45:48 PM
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Not to mention several third and second party games like MGS and Rebel Strike
I thought MGS:TS wasn't coming out until next year. I hope you're right, though.
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 29, 2003, 04:21:57 PM
I'm not getting any other of the games on the list, unless I win the lottery or something, but many of them look fun.
Post by: Ryujin on July 29, 2003, 06:29:45 PM
I'm just really into multiplayer FPSs at the moment, which is why I've been going to a computer cafe alot and not playing my GC much... I'll probably eventually get a real cheap Xbox once Halo 2 comes out, and if it's good wait till it's at 30 or 40 and get it, if not get a 20-30 dollar original Halo... But I really am playing BF1942, Counterstrike (which is 4 years old and still awesome), etc, lately. No consoles really offer a variety of good FPs that have good MP, which is what I wish more systems had... I can't play MP PC FPSs at my house, so...
Post by: Molobert on July 29, 2003, 06:31:02 PM
Post by: PIAC on July 29, 2003, 09:14:21 PM
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Originally posted by: kirby_killer_dedede
man, if u think that mario party is repetetive, what about the tony hawk series? i try to find something new in each game, but they're all generally the same. i mean, they throw in a few new tricks and all that junk, but i mean, the best one byfar had to be the first, for the n64, since that was fresh. but 2-4 (and upcoming ones...Tony's allowed the games to be made until 2013!) were just things we'd all seen in the first one. i mean just cuz the tricks are new doesn't mean it's more fun to do them, right?
i liked 2 the best to be honest, for the PC ofcourse, but then i never really played 1 much
Post by: Berto2K on July 30, 2003, 12:36:56 AM
Post by: Fish on July 30, 2003, 04:19:51 AM
Post by: DRJ on July 30, 2003, 04:35:31 AM
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I'll be getting the 3 racing games as well
I'm getting MKDD and FZero for sure. Kirby still looks too simple for me, I'll wait 'till there are some reviews of the final version. But the other two are already definate purchases.
Also for FZero does anyone know of a video online that shows the 360 turns that you have to do to make some tight turns and keep speed? I sounds cool, but I havnt seen it in action yet.
Post by: Ryujin on July 30, 2003, 07:49:30 AM
I was 'out of the gaming loop' between the end of E3 and like mid July, vacations and fireworks stand...
Post by: Fish on July 30, 2003, 08:31:07 AM
Gametrailers.com
Its under Nintendo, when you scroll down the page, it cant be downloaded, you can only left click it.
The game is about some monster who can take over peoples and animals bodies, though i dont know much about it.
Post by: Ryujin on July 30, 2003, 10:22:21 AM
Post by: PIAC on July 30, 2003, 10:28:49 AM
Post by: blu knight on July 30, 2003, 11:08:42 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on July 30, 2003, 11:11:13 AM
Personally I find that the upcoming Gamecube lineup is decent in that it will have a few titles I'm really looking forward to. Most of those titles I'm anticipating however are third party titles. In my opinion in terms of first party games this is one of Nintendo's weaker fall/winter lineups. There isn't a really big title to make people go out and buy a Cube. Mario Kart seems to be their big Christmas title and personally I've always considered Mario Kart to be more of a supporting game instead of a system seller. As the flagship title for this Christmas season it's kind of weak especially compared to last year's lineup. Plus with reports of the game being too slow my anticipation for it is severely weakened.
The upcoming lineup is decent. It certainly isn't anywhere near the best Nintendo lineup ever or something that is going to sell millions of Gamecubes.
Post by: Ryujin on July 30, 2003, 11:45:25 AM
Just want to make a comment and som questions:
When is the last time Nintendo made a totally new game that was meant to sell tons of systems? The closest thing I can think of is Metroid Prime, but really that's still an old series. When's the last time Nintendo has even seemed to TRY to make a new killer app? they usually seem to rely on Mario and Zelda... I think it'd be really neat to see a title with the same effort that was put into these games, but is totally new. Maybe with a good multiplayer aspect?
Post by: Gup on July 30, 2003, 11:57:09 AM
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When's the last time Nintendo has even seemed to TRY to make a new killer app? they usually seem to rely on Mario and Zelda... I think it'd be really neat to see a title with the same effort that was put into these games, but is totally new. Maybe with a good multiplayer aspect?
If you say that, start pointing your fingers at other companies too.
Capcom - Resident Evil, MegaMan, CAPCOM VS SNK!!!
Konami - Metal Gear, Castlevania
Koei - DYNASTY WARRIORS!!!!!!
Activision - Tony Hawk
Square - FINAL FANTASY!!!!!
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 30, 2003, 12:01:02 PM
Anyway, can anyone answer my question? Is Twin Snakes due out this year or next year?
Post by: Ryujin on July 30, 2003, 12:06:58 PM
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Originally posted by: Ryujin
When's the last time Nintendo has even seemed to TRY to make a new killer app? they usually seem to rely on Mario and Zelda... I think it'd be really neat to see a title with the same effort that was put into these games, but is totally new. Maybe with a good multiplayer aspect?
If you say that, start pointing your fingers at other companies too.
Capcom - Resident Evil, MegaMan, CAPCOM VS SNK!!!
Konami - Metal Gear, Castlevania
Koei - DYNASTY WARRIORS!!!!!!
Activision - Tony Hawk
Square - FINAL FANTASY!!!!!
Did I EVER say anything about other company's games? Capcom: bought Res Evil 0, not buying a game from them again in the Cube's life
Konami: Never played their games much
Koei: Same as Konami
Activision: Bought THPS3, not buying another activision game in the Cube's life
Square: I have NEVER bought a square game!
NINTENDO: I buy Nintendo games, and why should I expect from nintendo what other companies do?
To Mouse Clicker:
I didn't say they don't make innovative games, I said when's the last time they made a new game that wasn't in a current series and was made to be a killer app. Pardon me, but I doubt a 10-15 hour game that is a niche title was meant to be a killer app or had as much work put into it as a Zelda or Mario title...
Edit: Smash bro.'s wasn't meant to be a killer app originally either to my knowledge. Don't get me wrong, both games are very fun, but for me for a game on consoles to be absolutely awesome you have to be able to do more stuff (3D) and have a better single payer. Not that I'd want a game like SSBM to be totally 3D...
Post by: Gup on July 30, 2003, 12:09:55 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 30, 2003, 12:33:45 PM
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I didn't say they don't make innovative games, I said when's the last time they made a new game that wasn't in a current series and was made to be a killer app. Pardon me, but I doubt a 10-15 hour game that is a niche title was meant to be a killer app or had as much work put into it as a Zelda or Mario title...
What I meant was that they were trying- they're not completely resting on their major franchises and have started to branch out.
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 30, 2003, 12:34:55 PM
Post by: Ryujin on July 30, 2003, 12:37:39 PM
Afterall, how did those major franchises such as Zelda start? By trying to make an awesome game where you can at least slightly explore. If they had only made offshoot games, mario games, and games that were new, but not that great, then Zelda never would have been created I just want them to make another Mario, or Zelda, granted they'd be taking a risk that all that hard work wouldn't sell well, but I think it's worth it.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 30, 2003, 12:38:48 PM
If you count Rare then Perfect Dark could count but in terms of Nintendo first party games the last one I can think of is Star Fox which was made in 1993, ie: ten years ago. Well Pokemon is a killer app but since it was originally a Gameboy game I think it's success was kind of a fluke. I certainly don't think Nintendo made Pokemon with the intention of it being a huge hit.
However for all we know Pikmin was supposed to be the next big thing and unfortunately things didn't go as planned. Early in the Gamecube's life Nintendo was pushing this "short games are better" thing (for some weird reason) so it's possible that they thought Luigi's Mansion and Pikmin would be the next big titles to carry Nintendo into the future. Of course the short games idea bombed so Pikmin is regarded as a niche title but the intentions could have been for it to be the next big thing.
Post by: Ryujin on July 30, 2003, 12:44:28 PM
I think a good FPS would sell well, and if it was really good, sell systems. Look at Halo, it's the main reason most people buy Xboxes, and the FPSs on comp are really popular right now. Nintendo needs to just make sure they don't half ass it... In fact, get me to test it for them, I can see if it'll sell
Post by: blu knight on July 30, 2003, 04:20:42 PM
Personally, I find this year's titles to be a very solid lineup of games(1st and 3rd party alike). That isn't to say that I don't think Nintendo should try new things in developing games, or cater to the type of games I like. Maybe we'll see a lot of new titles next year.
Post by: Ryujin on July 30, 2003, 04:50:33 PM
It just doesn't seem to me like Nintendo is going all out, it seems they're handing games out or making 'pretty good' games... Maybe it's just me, but so far I've had more fun with my N64 than my GC... We had a Zelda that blew us away, a Mario that blew us away, 2 awesome FPSs (PD and GE), a brand new fun Star Fox, same with Mario Kart.
Now, if they want to keep making Zeldas and Marios, at least try to make them ALOT better than previous versions... to me, mario sunshine felt like a DIFFERENT game rather than a BETTER game compared to Mario 64. I have yet to play Wind Waker, so I don't know for sure about that...
The only must have games I can think of are SSBM, and Metroid Prime (I know most disagree), and perhaps Wind Waker. Maybe it's me changing, but I had more fun in GE, PD, and Zelda than in these 2 games I mentioned as must haves... I simply haven't had as much reason to visit my cube...
Remember, no where in this post did I say GC was worse than Xbox or PS2, because still think GC is better, but not up to par with N64, which is supposedly the 'worst' console ever, yet has the 4 or 5 most fun console games I can think of ever...
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 30, 2003, 06:45:22 PM
Post by: Ryujin on July 30, 2003, 07:14:57 PM
TS2: Way too fast even on slow, feels like you're floating, and the controls are too loose
TS2 is a good concept but nowhere near as fun as Halo, GE, or PD. This is after playing alot of each game. Alot of you will just say it's better than Halo because Halo's on Xbox or it's better than GE or PD because those are Rare games that aren't with Nintendo anymore...
If TS2 had better controls (not really controls, but how they feel), and was much slower it would be great IMO, but I AM used to Halo, BF1942, Counterstrike, and GE... I think it's really hard to aim in TS2 as well.
I really do enjoy arcade, co-op, and single player though. If nintendo makes a cartoony game like that with all the options and unlockables, but corrects it like I said, then markets it as Mouse said, they have a pretty good chance of a hit, and they make me happy
it needs LAN too, you need at least 10 people to make an FPS REALLY good (one reason PC FPSs are usually better than console).
Post by: franky005 on July 30, 2003, 07:34:01 PM
Post by: Mario on July 30, 2003, 07:44:23 PM
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Capcom: bought Res Evil 0, not buying a game from them again in the Cube's life
WTF?! So you can magically see every upcoming Capcom game on Gamecube? Youve played Viewtiful Joe? You know exactly what RE4 will be like? You know everything there is to know about Killer 7? Youve Played Dead Phoenix? Are you saying that you have made up your mind not to get another Capcom game for the Gamecube? You sir, are (edited
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I didn't say they don't make innovative games, I said when's the last time they made a new game that wasn't in a current series and was made to be a killer app.
Pikmin? Eternal Darkness? Giest?
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I agree that they make plenty of fairly good new games, but I want to see an AWESOME new game
Pikmin and Eternal Darkness are AWESOME.
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Well, I guess that's true, but somehow I kind of doubt Nintendo looked at Pikmin and said 'there's a pretty good chance this could be a really huge hit'. But some games you can just tell... I'm sure Nintendo knows enough about games by now to know if it is fun, has good gameplay, and at least decent graphics.
If you did your research you would know that Pikmin is one of, i think THE most expensive game Nintendo has ever made. Sounds crazy, but im pretty sure its true. Nintendo put alot of development time and resources into Pikmin. It WAS meant to be a really huge hit, and it kind of is. It sold about 1.5 million worldwide, not too shabby.
And also, Ryugin, there are some very good third party games on the Gamecube (and most of them exclusive for that matter), you should try them one day
EDIT: Also, if your complaining about lack of new franchise killer apps for gamecube, then why did you like N64 that much? The only new franchise games that were made to sell millions of systems on N64 were Perfect Dark and.... Banjo Kazooie, which werent even made by Nintendo. Goldeneye certainly wasnt a new franchise, there were other bond games before that. What new franchises did Nintendo make into killer apps on the N64? Games internally developed by Nintendo were pretty much all sequels. Super Mario 64, Yoshis Story, Ocarina of Time, Majoras Mask....? Wave Race and 1080 are the only new ones i can think of, and i dont really think they were made to sell millions of console, just to fill genre gaps. Please correct me if im wrong though
Post by: GoldShadow1 on July 30, 2003, 08:05:31 PM
Well, I agree with you on 3 and 4, but THPS2 was a *huge* innovation over the first one, and my personal favorite (haven't played four yet, though). The manual move drastically changed the game, giving you freedom for a kind of creativity in combos that was not in the first. But anyway, I think Tony Hawk Underground or whatever it's called is going to be cool. I've been waiting for this change for a long, long time. If I understand it correctly, it finally has a connected, fully-realized world, something I've been wanting for a long, long time.
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 30, 2003, 08:32:18 PM
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TS2 is a good concept but nowhere near as fun as Halo, GE, or PD. This is after playing alot of each game. Alot of you will just say it's better than Halo because Halo's on Xbox or it's better than GE or PD because those are Rare games that aren't with Nintendo anymore...
Now that's where I have to disagree. I think Timesplitters 2, out of those4 games, *easily* has the best multiplayer. Perfect Dark is a strong second with Goldeneye and Halo falling behind. Halo had the best story, but I couldn't get over the complete lack of creativity in enemies and weapons (besides the fact you can only carry two friggin' weapons) and it's deplorable multiplayer. It still is incredibly fun, but both PD and GE are much better, IMO. I think Timesplitters 2 is on par with Goldeneye and better than Perfect Dark. I have also played each title extensively, and Timesplitters 2 is where I'd put my money. Halo and PD are both extraordinary FPS's, rare gems among consoles, but I don't think either can hold a candle to TS2.
And remember that TS2 is basically a Rare game- it's director was the lead designer of at least Goldeneye and Free Radical is made up of a bunch of ex-Rare employees. The whole game smacks of Rare's style, right down to the awards at the end of multiplayer matches.
Post by: Ryujin on July 30, 2003, 08:49:31 PM
Lol @ Mario
I actually meant RE series, but I also never really liked anything else they made either. If any of those games end up looking absolutely awesome to me, I'll get one, but I say the chances aren't that likely.
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Pikmin? Eternal Darkness? Giest?
Geist isn't out yet, is it??? And as I've mentioned, Pikmin doesn't really have the potential to be a big hit. Eternal Darkness was pretty good (definately should have sold more, and is better than the RE series), but, for me, it's too linear and doesn't really require much aiming so it wouldn't be a game that makes me want to play it non stop. I don't know, these games just don't have the 'feel' for me. When I play Goldeneye or PD, I wanted to play for hours, then play again the next day. Same with Halo. Same with Mario Kart actually. But IMO a game with no multiplayer shouldn't even be in the same category as a game with. Multiplayer games just are so much more fun and make you want to play more than the 20 or 30 hours it takes to beat the game. That's probably why I haven't been really into most Nintendo stuff. I also like first person view better than 3rd person. I wish games like ED and RE were 1st person but still similar to how they are now, sort of Metroid Prime.
That's why I've always felt Zelda, Mario, Metroid Prime, etc. are NOWHERE near as good as PE, GE, Halo, PC games that can be online, Mario Cart, or even TS2.
I've also noticed GC users online really gloss up games... I guess it's to be expected. When I read these forums, it makes it seem like ED or pikmin are the end all be all of all games. They're fun for a while, but ED isn't multiplayer, and doesn't have the same exploring and freedom as Zelda or Mario. Although it is a damn good story and fun for awhile
Edit in reply to Mario's edit: I didn't think there were that many original series games, but they were no where near the same as previous games in the series, whereas SMS is, as I said in an earlier post, a DIFFERENT Mario 64, rather than a better one... I don't really know how good Windwaker is, and GE was original, not in it's franchise, but the game was totally original, as were Mario and Zelda on the 64...
Post by: Mario on July 30, 2003, 08:55:14 PM
YOUR OPINION ISNT A FACT.
Post by: Ryujin on July 30, 2003, 08:58:42 PM
Post by: Mario on July 30, 2003, 09:13:26 PM
Post by: Fish on July 31, 2003, 04:31:53 AM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on July 31, 2003, 04:48:57 AM
I am going to go play some more Mario Golf.
