Post by: Gohan_Chaos on July 22, 2003, 07:04:57 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 22, 2003, 07:08:41 AM
Post by: Michael8983 on July 22, 2003, 07:24:41 AM
Anyway, the game is mostly aimed at Japan where EVERYONE owns a GBA and I've heard it's packaged with a link-cable too. So it won't be much of an issue over there. A good portion of people in the US and Europe shouldn't have a problem rounding up some friends with GBAs either (and the link-cables are cheap for just ten bucks and might even go down in price), the rest will have to settle for the 1P mode which, based on the reviews and impressions I've read, doesn't sound nearly as bad as people are assuming it is.
The game is being made because the developers were genuinely interested in the innovative things the connectivity would allow. The game isn't just something they threw together to be allowed to develope for the GBA.
Post by: kennyb27 on July 22, 2003, 07:34:04 AM
And, Gohan_Chaos, if you think the GBA games are much better then obviously you have a GBA and therefore you need not worry about the game using GBA link-up. And if that's not it, then just don't buy the game and get the GBA games.
Post by: Gohan_Chaos on July 22, 2003, 08:21:17 AM
Post by: Gohan_Chaos on July 22, 2003, 08:24:23 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 22, 2003, 08:29:00 AM
Post by: DRJ on July 22, 2003, 08:52:06 AM
You can play it alone with a regular controller which is good.
I have enough GBA so this is not a problem for me, but other people will pass on this game because of the requirments.
Only time will tell if this is a good decision.
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 22, 2003, 09:08:46 AM
Also, it seems like alot of people are saying that it's not a problem for them, but for other people. Why worry about the other people? If everyone says that it's a problem for other people, than it's not a problem at all, is it?
The equipment is more expensive than the game itself, but buying the equipment gives you the ability to experience all of the great GBA games, and all of the other link-able games.
Nintendo knows that the Gamecube was only a moderate success, and they're not going to put all of there money into advertising and making the Gamecube better now. So it doesn't matter if this game doesn't sell too well. Games like this will expand the GBA userbase, which Nintendo wants because of the newly announced PSP. Nintendo wants the largest GBA userbase as possible, so if there next console does poorly, they're still raking in the dough.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 22, 2003, 09:27:12 AM
This doesn't compare to something like Super Smash Bros multiplayer because the cost of three extra controllers is nowhere near the cost of four GBA's with four connection cables. Plus people have comfirmed that the game was playable with multiplayer using controllers at E3. Therefore the game CAN be played without GBAs and therefore having the GBA as a requirement for multiplayer instead of an option is a ripoff. They could have made GBA multiplayer optional on the final release because they already had it working.
And don't give me this "multiplayer itself in an option, you can one player" BS. Multiplayer is a BIG part of the game and there's no real excuse for not having the option to play multiplayer with both controllers or GBAs. That would be a true option and would make the game more accessible to everyone. That way if someone wanted to get their full experience they could use the GBA, but regular Cube owners could get to play multiplayer as well.
If Sony or Microsoft did the same thing everyone on this forum would be totally slamming them for ripping off the consumer. But since it's Nintendo it's okay.
Post by: DRJ on July 22, 2003, 09:52:32 AM
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So it doesn't matter if this game doesn't sell too well
What are the chances of us getting another Final Fantasy game if this one sells like crap?
I dont even like the idea of having to buy the extra connectors for the GBA to play. I have one so I will need to buy 3 more. If the game ships with one, I will still need two more. That just bugs me. Especially when the bonusses for having the GBA seem negligable. Oooh I get secret messages, and nobody will see my stats. So nobody will know when I am poisonned. Big deal, just make my character turn a greenish color and every will know to heal me up.
I do like the GBA connectivety, but I like it for added features. In Wind Waker you got some nice features, but you didnt have to have a GBA to play the game. It just made the game that much better if you took advantage of it. I just dont like the idea of being forced to do anything. And dont say your not forced to get the game, or play multiplayer 'cause that is BS. If I want the game I should be able to get it no strings attached.
And like Ian Sane said, if anyone else tried this we would all be slamming the hell out of them. What would you say if Sony said here is our all new GTA. You get to kill everything, blood everywhere, umm but if you want to play it you have to buy a PSone and hook it up to the PS2. Then you get a seperate LCD screen for the PSone and it will display unique message like how many people you kill and how much ammo you have left. This way there is more room on the main tv screen for more blood. It maysound stupid, but atleast buying a PSone and a LCD screen would be cheaper than buying a GBA/GBA-SP and a connector.
Post by: PIAC on July 22, 2003, 10:26:45 AM
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It maysound stupid, but atleast buying a PSone and a LCD screen would be cheaper than buying a GBA/GBA-SP and a connector.
no it wouldn't
PSone = $50 -$80, LCD screen = $200 - $300 (ludicrously (sp?) expensive)
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 22, 2003, 10:35:14 AM
Post by: Michael8983 on July 22, 2003, 10:42:24 AM
Seems like everything I've read recently suggests the exact opposite. That there's just no way the game could possibly work with just regular controllers.
Maybe you've just been reading impressions from the stripped-down E3 demo which had just about all the communication features disabled.
The connectivity feature wasn't just a stipulation in a contract. It's the entire reason the game exists. It's what inspired the developers to create it in the first place and the main selling point of the game is the innovation the feature allows. I think when people finally get to play the game, they'll realize asking for it to be multiplayer without GBAs is like asking Smash Bros to be multiplayer without multiple controllers or for a game to be online without a modem. It's crazy.
"As far as I can figure the "innovative idea" that requires the use of a GBA is that certain info (that would be available to everyone in a "normal" game) is only shown to certain people thus requiring them to "communicate"."
There's a lot more to it than that. Go read more about the game.
"This doesn't compare to something like Super Smash Bros multiplayer because the cost of three extra controllers is nowhere near the cost of four GBA's with four connection cables."
Nintendo doesn't expect everyone who buys the game to buy all those things with it.
It has this crazy idea that gamers actually have friends who have their own GBAs.
The ones who don't will just have to settle for playing it alone. As popular as the GBA is, people who don't have any friends who own one probably don't have many friends anyway so not being able to play it with multiple, standard Gamecube controllers shouldn't be that heart-breaking for them. As for the connection cables. I've heard the game is being packed with one and the rest are very inexpensive and I'm betting Nintendo will even be nice enough to drop their price soon.
"Plus people have comfirmed that the game was playable with multiplayer using controllers at E3."
Like I said, it was a stripped-down version with most everything disabled.
I suppose Nintendo could just discard the rest of the game and limit it to nothing but the tiny E3 demo but that would also be crazy.
WARNING: The following is lengthy rant. Read at your own risk.
"If Sony or Microsoft did the same thing everyone on this forum would be totally slamming them for ripping off the consumer. But since it's Nintendo it's okay."
If Sony was doing it, Sony fans would think it was the greatest idea ever. If MS was doing it, MS fans would hail it as the future of gaming.
Though, strangely, when Nintendo does it, many Nintendo fans think it's stupid and a rip-off which I think says a lot about what's wrong with many Nintendo fans. The ones who actually do think "it's okay" appear to be the minority.
Go to any XBox or PS2 forum and you'll hear people raving about how much they love their console. Go to a Gamecube forum and you'll hear "Nintendo is a stupid company that's made ANOTHER mistake", "Nintendo is ripping us off", "Nintendo is going to die soon". All from Nintendo fans, too. Nintendo fans more than anyone else are the ones calling Nintendo "kiddy" these days. And anyone who thinks all that doesn't hurt sales in this age where EVERYONE is online is fooling themselves.
Nintendo would be a lot better off and its console would be selling a lot better if its "fans" would just lighten up and not attack Nintendo over every little thing.
People who don't approve of what FFCC entails should simply not buy the game and let that be the end of it.
But instead they're relentlessly attacking it and Nintendo which, sadly, is preventing the game from getting the hype it deserves and may keep it from selling as well as it could.
Post by: DRJ on July 22, 2003, 10:43:58 AM
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no it wouldn't PSone = $50 -$80, LCD screen = $200 - $300 (ludicrously (sp?) expensive)
I think you're missing the point.
Post by: DRJ on July 22, 2003, 10:48:42 AM
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Nintendo fans need to be more like MS fans
I know you didnt just say that.
Unlike XBox of PS2 fanboys I do not automatically like everything Nintendo does just because they did it. And I do not hate everything that M$ or Sony does just because they did it. Nintendo is my favorite gaming company, but if they do something that I think is stupid I will be the first person to say so. If they make a good game I will be first in line to buy it and if they make a crappy one I wont let them off the hook easily.
I just think that this is a bad idea. Nobody expects anyone to go out and spend hundreds of dollars for equipment to play this game, and isnt that the point. If you dont have the equipment you wont bother getting the game. If they made the connectivity optional then it wouldnt matter, but this way we are stuck. Of course it doesnt matter what any of us think since Nintendo is going to do whatever they want anyways.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 22, 2003, 11:02:11 AM
I somewhat agree with your point about the difference between Nintendo fans and MS and Sony fans. I think a big difference is that longtime Nintendo fans have had better (NES and SNES) and thus are a little cheesed with how Nintendo has not only not recovered from the N64 but seem to have no desire to. We know what Nintendo is capable of and I think many of us feel that they aren't reaching their full potential. MS and Sony fans however have never experienced anything different from the way things are now. Both companies have strived to be number one from the get-go and have grown while Nintendo has been going backwards, from complete domination downwards. You're comparing the fans of companies that are going up to one that seemingly is going down.
Besides I don't want Nintendo fans to be nearly as fanboyish as MS fans. Literally every website dedicated exclusively to Xbox content gives nearly EVERY game great reviews and basically loves absolutely everything that MS does. Even IGN Xbox which is supposedly a "professional" site gives nearly every damn game released a Player's Choice award and a score in the 9s. I much prefer a fanbase that can admit fault with their console of choice and doesn't slobber over everything like some brainwashed idiot.
Oddly enough with FF: CC I have found that there are typically more fans that support the GBA reguirement than there are those who complain about it. In this thread there is only like two people against it.
If FF: CC truly does require the use of a GBA then I don't really have a problem with it. I've just never read any indication that suggests that the concept realistically needs it. Maybe I just haven't read the right articles.
Post by: Michael8983 on July 22, 2003, 11:02:21 AM
I realize it's a horrible thing to say but I'll stick by it.
If the game was on the XBox, MS fans would be tripping over themselves with anticipation.
Not only do most Nintendo fans seem to not care for the game but they actually actively hate it. If I had a penny for every time I've heard a Nintendo "fan" proclaim the game is a rip-off and will bomb badly, I actually could go out and buy four gameboys and four link cables along with them
"Unlike XBox of PS2 fanboys I do not automatically like everything Nintendo does just because they did it."
I'm not asking for Nintendo fans to biased towards Nintendo. Just to stop crucifying it over every little thing. Like I said, people who don't approve of the game should just not buy and, even better, not even talk about it.
This is like the Zelda thing all over again. The people who didn't like the cel-shaded graphics could have just decided against buying the game but instead they chose to raise all hell over it.
Post by: Michael8983 on July 22, 2003, 11:22:46 AM
"Well, by many standards, it's pretty bad
"You're comparing the fans of companies that are going up to one that seemingly is going down."
You have a point about that but I wish people would realize that what they say about Nintendo does have an effect on things. It reverberates a lot farther than they realize.
People who visit an XBox forum will want to buy an XBox. People who visit a Gamecube forum (not so much this one, but most others) will not only not want a Gamecube but will expect Nintendo to be out of business by the end of the year. Then of course, if someone asks them to recommend a console, they'll recommend an XBox. Then if someone asks the person who got the recommendation to recommend a console, they'll also recommend an XBox.
Nintendo fans always complain about Nintendo not being able to change people's opinion of it but they don't realize that they may be the reason it can't. How should we expect non-Nintendo fans to start liking Nintendo when Nintendo fans at least appear to not like it themselves. Sure, most people who harshly criticize Nintendo supposably to do out of love for the company but that's not always apparent to outside observers.
"Besides I don't want Nintendo fans to be nearly as fanboyish as MS fans. Literally every website dedicated exclusively to Xbox content gives nearly EVERY game great reviews and basically loves absolutely everything that MS does. Even IGN Xbox which is supposedly a "professional" site gives nearly every damn game released a Player's Choice award and a score in the 9s. I much prefer a fanbase that can admit fault with their console of choice and doesn't slobber over everything like some brainwashed idiot."
To me, it's a case of the lesser of two evils. It would be better if Nintendo fans were brainwashed idiots than over-dramatic doomsday-predicters who won't give Nintendo a break. At least the former would actually help Nintendo as a company. Of course, the best case scenario would be for them to be somewhere in between the two so maybe we should shoot for that
"Oddly enough with FF: CC I have found that there are typically more fans that support the GBA reguirement than there are those who complain about it. In this thread there is only like two people against it."
The PGC forum is different than most. My rant was more inspired by what I've seen on other forums. Just check out the n-philes forum and you'll see what I mean.
"If FF: CC truly does require the use of a GBA then I don't really have a problem with it. I've just never read any indication that suggests that the concept realistically needs it. Maybe I just haven't read the right articles."
It's probably those E3 impressions. I did read a few articles from people who assumed that just because the demo didn't require the GBAs, the entire game shouldn't have to but it's been confirmed that that's not the case. When the game is actually released and gets some real reviews, I think things will be cleared up.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 22, 2003, 12:06:31 PM
Post by: Round Eye on July 22, 2003, 12:19:09 PM
On the other hand, I think this whole connectivity thing is pretty cheesy and a poor substitute for online capabilities.
Given the choice of having GBA connectivity versus Online, come on the choice is obvious.
Tingle power
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 22, 2003, 12:33:08 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 22, 2003, 12:49:16 PM
Post by: Michael8983 on July 22, 2003, 02:23:39 PM
Are you sure? Last I checked (which was less than a week ago) it's supposed to come out in early November. Maybe it was just recently delayed but if it was, seems like PGC would have updated with the news.
Post by: Michael8983 on July 22, 2003, 02:33:01 PM
I suppose it's not a big deal though. The game is mostly targetted at the Japanese audience anyway. The good news is Pokemon Channel and 1080 are coming out this year. I'm not sure about 1080 but Pokemon Channel is bound to sell some Gamecubes.
Actually, FFCC being delayed could be a good thing. Nintendo has always had the annoying habit of releasing all the big titles during the holiday season and leaving us to suffer with a massive post-Christmas drought. That tradition was broken this year with Wind Waker and FFCC should do it next year.
Post by: DrForester on July 22, 2003, 02:38:46 PM
on the other end, i just didn't liek playing the game with a GBA much, wish they had a single player demo set up somewhere.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on July 22, 2003, 02:50:12 PM
Look, you don't need the GBA/GC connectivity to play FF single player, all you need in that situation is a GC controller. Hell I'm not pissed off about this topic anymore, becuase I looked at it from a brighter perspective. For example, you wanted a FF for Nintendo for sometime right? Well your getting one, single player RPG loveliness all around you. Everyone couldn't be happier, but wait what is this, Square/Enix decided to put a feature for those die hard fans. Mulitplayer, hey sounds good to me...
As long as the game is awesome single player (I have high hopes), I really don't care. You shouldn't either, you wouldn't be crying about it if there wasn't a MP feature to begin with. So give it a rest. Mods I think I did you a favour since this is like the 20th thread that has been made about this.
EDIT: I just read what everyone said.....man were there alot of repeats. My bad.
Post by: cheers69 on July 22, 2003, 03:12:31 PM
shame on u nintendo shame on u
Post by: Mario on July 22, 2003, 05:20:52 PM
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My main beef with FF: CC's GBA connectivity is that judging by everything I've read about it, the feature was not needed and was only really added because connectivity was part of Nintendo's deal with Square.
GBA's are NEEDED. FFS, get it throught your thick heads that GBA's are NEEDED for the fantastic multiplayer mode. In the game, when you are playing with 4 players, there are menus that are designed ONLY to be seen by one person, how else can you do that without using the GBA? The GBA is needed for this game. With four controllers they would have to radically alter the game which would destroy its whole purpose. Also, Nintendo's goal for FF:CC sales wise, in Japan, is a mere 100,000 copies.
Im not buying it if they replace GBA's with normal controllers.
Post by: Michael8983 on July 22, 2003, 05:41:51 PM
That's just how many will be initally shipped.
I'm sure both Nintendo and Square Enix expect the game to sell A LOT more than that.
They just want to be careful. With a game as experimental and unique as FF:CC you never know what could happen. The game could just as easily be revolted against as it could take Japan by storm. The number of copies in later shipments will be determined by how quickly those initial 100,000 go.
I'm pretty sure the game will at least hit the one million mark over there and guarantee we'll get a sequel.
It's a great game with the words "final" and "fantasy" on the box-art. That's pretty much all a game needs to be a big hit in Japan.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 22, 2003, 06:00:12 PM
Now there's a winner.
Post by: SuperLink666 on July 22, 2003, 07:01:24 PM
My problem is I have NOBODY that owns a GBA. That means I won't be playing multiplayer unless I can convince some people to fork out $150 for one. Yah sure it will be fun playing the multiplayer but it is just so costly. It would be alright if I was rich
Post by: Cap on July 22, 2003, 07:22:36 PM
Post by: Gohan_Chaos on July 23, 2003, 07:37:26 AM
, and I personally don't care for those of you who wont get Final Fantasy:Crystal Chronicles if Nintendo and Square-Enix decide to change the multiplayer crap to using regular controlls, that's your problem, heck It would be better for gamers because they won't have to waste money on the gbas and link cables, so for those of you who supported me, thanks a lot, 
Post by: kennyb27 on July 23, 2003, 09:53:37 AM
QuoteSo I took it a step further and said that maybe you would be better off with those games.
I think that the Square-Enix games for GBA are a whole lot better than this 1
Also I have to agree with the point proposed by Don'tHate742: Square doesn't normally release Multi-player RPG's, so in order to enjoy the Square "experience" just buy the game and play single-player. If you want something extra (something not included in other Square games) you have to have something extra.
And Gohan, I didn't mean any offense by any statements, I hope you don't judge me on that.
Post by: Round Eye on July 23, 2003, 10:13:40 AM
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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
This is not a substitiute for online. Online isn't profitable at the time, because most people still have dial up connections, which would create haorrible lag problems, which would mean not fun, which would mean not many people buy. This is something, that at the time, only Nintendo can do. So why not do it?
I agree, it seems to be a very good idea for this game. And GBA connectivity is a neat addition to other games. What bothers me is Nintendo appears to be hyping connectivity as the future of gaming, which it is definitly not. Online is the future, well actually the present Nintendo is lagging, and I believe they using this connectivity thing to try and hold us till they reveal their online plans.
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 23, 2003, 11:52:22 AM
I do believe that this might be to hold us off until they release there late planes for bringing the Gamecube online. Personally, I don't really care about online gaming, though. Especially if it has voice communication like xbox live. I've heard some bad things about bad people who say bad things on xbox live.
I like that last sentance.
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 22, 2003, 05:10:51 PM
Read Gabe's latest post about this game. He is commenting on the game just for all you people who don't like the GCN/GBA connectivity.
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Post by: mouse_clicker on August 23, 2003, 05:41:42 PM
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I have been meaning to talk about Crystal Chronicles for a while now but I’ve just been playing it instead. I took a break to check out some forums and get some tips when I saw this post:
From: OSX | Posted: 8/20/2003 9:01:44 PM | Message Detail
Dont call me a newb i just wanna know.
So, you need 4 GBA's to play multiplayer? Because if thats that case, nintendo and square have just made the biggest mistake ever...
My immediate reaction is to call this guy a f**king sh*tstick but then I thought “No. He’s not a sh*tstick, he is just uninformed.” Since I’ve seen this same comment made by lots of people recently and I figured since I’ve actually played the game with four players I should address it here and perhaps ease some fears.
First of all yes it is true that in order to play with four players each person needs their own GBA. While it might sound odd at first, in practice it ends up being f**king brilliant. Imagine that you are playing with three other people. If you haven’t seen the game it’s not played in split screen. Picture a game like Hunter or Zombie Revenge. You’re all on the same screen fighting monsters and picking up loot. Now imagine that you need to access your inventory so that you can equip a new spell you picked up. Were it not for the GBA’s you would have to pause the game in order to bring up your inventory. Meanwhile no one else in your party can do sh*t because your cycling through menu screens looking for that new Ice spell you just grabbed. That’s bullsh*t and it would never work.
Instead what happens is that you hit the select button on your GBA and immediately you have access to your entire inventory and character customization menus via the GBA screen. You can sit there and alphabetize your items if you want and you aren’t bothering anyone else. The game is continuing on without you and your character automatically moves to keep up with the rest of the party. The other thing it allows is for multiple people to be using their inventories at the same time. I can be dropping Money for one person while he is dropping a spell for me. F**king brilliant! This sort of thing would never be possible without the GBA.
Square also uses the GBA connectivity in other cool ways. One person in your party will have access to the map of the level you are in. It’s random so you never know who will be the navigator from level to level. You’re also given goals via your GBA screen before levels begin. Certain things like “Only use magic to kill monsters” or “don’t pick up any items”. Everyone is graded at the end of the level according to how well they accomplished these goals and the people with the highest scores get first dibs on specific kinds of loot picked up by the party during the level.
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Wow. I don’t know what to say. You guys seem determined to hate this game.
I just got a ton of mail from people who, after everything I just said still think using the GBA is a bad idea and are pissed at Square and Nintendo for requiring it.
I was trying to be cool in the post above. Trying to explain why it’s actually a very good idea but that didn’t work and so now I’m just going to be honest.
You do not have to own four GBA’s! Each person that wants to play needs to own ONE GBA! If your friends do not own a GBA already, then I think you need to get yourself some new f**king friends.
I definitely agree with his last line, which is apart of Bill's signature now.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 23, 2003, 05:46:28 PM
edit: bah, you beat me to the punch...
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 26, 2003, 11:28:15 AM
But yeah, those of you bitching that you need to buy 3 more GBAs to play the game, I guess that you also forgot that you need to hire 3 hookers to play with you too. Bummer.
But that being said, if I am ever stinking filthy rich, I am definately going to have hookers over every night to play video games with me.
I am just geeky enough that that would be a HUGE turnon for me. Maybe rent a PS2 and get some Rez action going... yeah. That would be fan****ingtastic.
Post by: nemo_83 on August 26, 2003, 01:09:06 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 26, 2003, 01:20:13 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 26, 2003, 01:43:23 PM
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I would rather have just bought the game and been able to sit down by myself and play it like Kingdom Hearts
Post by: Michael8983 on August 26, 2003, 02:22:20 PM
It is selling Gamecubes. GCN sales doubled when the game was released in Japan.
It's actually an ingenius way to sale Gamecubes. People who already own Gamecubes are buying the game, inviting their GBA-only friends over to play it, and hopefully getting them more interested in buying a Gamecube themselves.
"Lets say the average smuck who has a PS2 sees the commercial and wants the game. There is no way he has three friends with GBAs and the money to buy a GC, FFCC, a memory card, extra controllers, a GBA, and a link cable."
First off, remove "extra controllers" from the list. The game uses GBAs INSTEAD of controllers.
The memory card would be needed with ANY game.
There's an excellent chance the PS2 owner already has a GBA and, unless he's a total shut-in, he probably has at least one other friend with a GBA which is enough for multiplayer. Four players is just the
The link-cables are very inexpensive and one is even included with the game.
But all you really need to buy to play the game is a Gamecube (w/controller) and memory card because. . .
"I would rather have just bought the game and been able to sit down by myself and play it like Kingdom Hearts."
You can!
The 1P mode doesn't require a GBA. You can play it with the normal controller. You can buy it for the 1P mode and maybe sometime in the future you'll be able to try the multiplayer with GBAs.
Post by: kennyb27 on August 26, 2003, 04:31:13 PM
QuoteNow you're the one being hypocritical, either that or just lost. If, or rather since, GBA is the most successful system, then it will be the GBA aspect that will sell systems and games. And again with it being the most successful system, it wouldn't be hard to find friends with the GBA willing to spend some time on the game with you, now would it?
The GBA should be used to sell GC and GC games rather than using the GC to sell the most successful system on the market. God what are they thinking.
Post by: nemo_83 on August 26, 2003, 05:12:51 PM
Post by: rpglover on August 26, 2003, 05:52:42 PM
the gba shows your menus and you go through them with the r/l buttons and equip magic and stuff to use for the game
it just could not be done all on one singular tv screen unfortunately- i dont mind though
i think the gba thing is interesting and it is worth a look i would think
"if your friends do not own a GBA already, then I think you need to get yourself some new f**king friends."
absolutely- not much else to say there
"I would rather have just bought the game and been able to sit down by myself and play it like Kingdom Hearts. So let me say go to hell one more time. "
somebody is touchy about connectivity
and you can play the game singularly- as michael said its called single player
Post by: vroenis on August 26, 2003, 06:42:24 PM
the implementation is awesome - an idea the dreamcast started a long time ago - so yeah, i don't currently have a GBA at the moment, but will at the launch of ff: cc! that will probably start me off buying a whole bunch of GBA games - all in all i'm quite happy with the whole thing.
Post by: Kulock on August 26, 2003, 07:06:13 PM
I mean, if the game works in Single Player mode with just the GCN controller, why can't it work in multiplayer? How does it handle it, DOES it stop the game and stupidly throw up a full-screen menu?
I don't think the GBA functionality should be removed, but I think it should be an option, not a requirement. Purists can play with the GBAs, but there are too many alternate solutions to effectively handle what benefits using a GBA has to require the use of one. No, it may not work with people who have four inch TVs. Those are the people that would need the GBA functionality. Those of us with more reasonably-sized screens should be able to make out four floating text menus with little issue, while still being able to see the action behind and around it. (Semitransparency of the menu background would help a lot, too.)
Post by: PIAC on August 26, 2003, 07:44:11 PM
Post by: The Omen on August 27, 2003, 02:25:39 AM
I'm not a big fan of the idea. I guess i'm in the minority as none of my buddies has a GBA, and nor do i. So, i probably wont get it. I'm not sickened by the idea, but it's not going to get me to buy a GBA. Sadly, at my age now, i play games in single player mode. My friends outgrew games, i guess. (except for the occasional madden all nighters). Too bad for me.
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 27, 2003, 03:33:52 AM
Post by: The Omen on August 27, 2003, 03:44:18 AM
I'm debating whether or not i want the GBA. I was leaning towards the GBP, because i rarely will get to play anywhere except my house, and if i'm in my house, then its got to be big screen. But anyway, i see both sides to this argument. I just have to say suck it up and buy it if you want multiple players, and think of the fun you'll have.
Post by: nemo_83 on August 27, 2003, 06:28:38 PM
Post by: Michael8983 on August 27, 2003, 07:33:34 PM
For a lot of people, the LAN and especially the GBA linking is a lot cheaper than online gaming would be. There are no doubt a lot of Gamecube owners (probably the majority, in fact) that already have a GBA of their own as well as friends with GBAs. The only thing they might be missing is the inexpensive link-cables and one is even included with FFCC.
As for LAN. At least it's free once you've got it set up.
So I don't think either "short-cut" is unfair to consumers. Most people would probably prefer them over having to buy a modem accessory, get broadband, and pay monthly fees for online gaming.
"Everyone knows this game won't be the same if you play it alone. If it were online though you would never have a prob finding a friend to play with or need a single GBA."
Yeah, but you would need to go through the trouble of making your console online-ready and paying monthly fees. I think MOST people would find it a lot easier just to find some real friends.
"Next gen why don't they skip the bs and just pack in a next gen GB that doubles as the console controller using wireless technology."
That wouldn't be fair to consumers who don't want a GB. Nintendo isn't forcing consumers into anything right now. You can buy FFCC and play it alone or you can not buy it at all. It's every Gamecube owner's option to spend money on the connectivity feature or not. Forcing consumers to buy a GB with its next console would take that option away.
It's not like Nintendo could just give it away free with the console afterall. It would have to increase the price.
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 28, 2003, 03:26:22 AM
That raises another point- it's so much better playing games with people that are sitting right beside you. Not to say an online FF:CC wouldn't be fun, but the level of interaction between 4 guys all in the same room rather than thousands of miles away is much greater, and in my opinion that makes the game so much better.
Post by: Michael8983 on August 28, 2003, 05:15:45 AM
I completely agree.
I've read a lot of funny comments from people who have imported the game about how interactive they get with their friends while playing.
Gabe from Penny Arcade said he's sure someone will DIE because of this game.
I can totally see it happening. You're at some huge boss or something and one of your friends screws up and causes the entire group to be defeated. Things could get ugly. So online gaming may be safer but it's definitly not as fun IMO
Post by: KDR_11k on August 28, 2003, 08:09:51 AM
