Post by: Rhoq on July 21, 2003, 08:07:37 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 21, 2003, 08:25:13 AM
Personally, I think that the game has a lot to do with the legend described in Xenogears when two angels with a single wing were shown in the form of a giant statue. I am hoping that Baten Kaitos is the telling of that legend. If it is, I encourage you to buy this game. If it isn't, buy it anyways. Monolith knows how to make an RPG fan happy.
I am entirely unsure if the game is coming to the US, but if it isn't, I will import, and read every 5th word in a hope to understand what's going on.
Post by: Rhoq on July 21, 2003, 08:55:26 AM
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Yep. There are at least two other threads about it around here.
Sorry about that. I looked for another thread (albeit, very briefly) and I didn't see one.
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Personally, I think that the game has a lot to do with the legend described in Xenogears when two angels with a single wing were shown in the form of a giant statue. I am hoping that Baten Kaitos is the telling of that legend. If it is, I encourage you to buy this game. If it isn't, buy it anyways. Monolith knows how to make an RPG fan happy.
I am entirely unsure if the game is coming to the US, but if it isn't, I will import, and read every 5th word in a hope to understand what's going on.
I am not usually an RPG fan, but there is something about this game that really caught my attention. I have never played the Xenogear games, so I am not familiar at all with the story. Related or not it would make no difference to me.
I am wondering why IGN is making such a big deal over this game if it wouldn't be making it's way to the US eventually? I have never imported a game because all of the games I ever wanted were released in the US, but I might have to for this one.
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 21, 2003, 09:22:06 AM
To this point, the Xeno games are the only ones that Monolith has made. That's why I immediately thought of the story from Xenogears when I saw the first previews of this game. The reason IGN is making a big deal of this game is simply because Baten Kaitos is Nintendo's answer to Xenosaga. This game is going to go a HELL of a long ways in satisfying Nintendo fans who like RPGs.
I just recently started a new game of Xenogears, and I am almost at the part where the story of the angels is told... When I get there, I can take a series of screenshots and post them in this thread to see if anyone agrees with me. I don't think that doing so would spoil anything about either game.
Post by: Gup on July 21, 2003, 12:36:01 PM
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Xenogears was the best RPG. Ever.
. . . not true. . . so not true. It's your favourite RPG, not the best RPG.
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 21, 2003, 12:39:58 PM
Post by: Gup on July 21, 2003, 12:50:22 PM
I'm not trying to hate on Xenogears, but I cannot have people walking around calling it the best RPG ever. I REPEAT CANNOT!
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on July 21, 2003, 12:57:40 PM
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I'm not trying to hate on Xenogears, but I cannot have people walking around calling it the best RPG ever. I REPEAT CANNOT!
What do you mean "you cannot have people calling it the best RPG"? You are not God. Grey Ninja has a right to his opinion.
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 21, 2003, 12:58:56 PM
I have Tales of Eternia, but I haven't gotten around to playing it. Grandia II PC costs too damn much, and I have yet to find a copy of Suikoden II. Of the ones you mentioned, Suikoden II is the one that might be the one that actually strikes a nerve with me. If I ever find a copy, I will let you know. the problem is that I don't have much time to myself these days.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 21, 2003, 01:10:21 PM
Post by: Odin on July 21, 2003, 01:19:33 PM
On the other hand, I'm really looking forward to Baten Kaitos, and Tales of Phantasia.
Anyone else not looking forward to FF:CC?
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 21, 2003, 01:28:32 PM
Post by: Gup on July 21, 2003, 01:32:57 PM
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Nah. Go easy on the guy. To him, it's like as if he told me that his favorite RPG was FF7 or FF9.
Huh?
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 21, 2003, 02:19:21 PM
As for RPG's, I don't play much. I have FF7 and 8 for Playstation, and my FF 7 disk is defective (unless it takes a REALLY long time to load), so FF8 is automatically better, and Ilike it alot, especially the card game Triple Triad. I want Crono Cross and Xenogears, along with Metal Gear Solid, but I won't have the money if I get Mario Golf, which I seem to be anticipating a lot more than other people.
Post by: Odin on July 21, 2003, 02:32:09 PM
Post by: Gup on July 21, 2003, 02:37:24 PM
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Well to me it seems to be a Final Fantasy game in name only. Not much of a story, connectivety, no experience, mission based, no summons? Doesn't sound like a "Final Fantasy" game to me. FF:CC just looks like a "suped" up Gauntlet with out the exp points.
Completely agreed, the only relations are the enemies and probably the item's and weapon's name
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 21, 2003, 03:29:54 PM
Post by: Gup on July 21, 2003, 04:07:40 PM
Post by: Molobert on July 21, 2003, 04:26:56 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 21, 2003, 04:28:28 PM
Anyway, Baten Kaitos looks like just another Japanese-style RPG, except it's card based, so it's going to be boring. Didn't developers take a cue from Lost Kingdoms in that if we want to play with cards we'll play Magic, or Pokemon? Making battles card-based in RPG's has gotta be the stupidest idea ever.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 21, 2003, 05:24:02 PM
"We have this fantastic story, characters, artwork, and soundtrack."
"How do you attack?"
"You throw cards."
D'oh!!
Post by: Darc Requiem on July 21, 2003, 06:27:09 PM
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Except it's not made by Nintendo, it's made by Square.
Anyway, Baten Kaitos looks like just another Japanese-style RPG, except it's card based, so it's going to be boring. Didn't developers take a cue from Lost Kingdoms in that if we want to play with cards we'll play Magic, or Pokemon? Making battles card-based in RPG's has gotta be the stupidest idea ever.
Well Mouse its nice to know that you can completely write off the game without even playing it. I'd expect that from an X-box fan boy but not you. Baten Kaitos may completely reek, it maybe be the best rpg ever but none of us can say either way until we at least play the game. From what I've seen its nice to see a GC RPG with a really nice graphics. The graphic artist should pat themselves on the back based on what I've seen thus far. I'll reserve judgement on the battle system until I hear more and give the game a try.
Darc Requiem
Post by: Darc Requiem on July 21, 2003, 07:00:40 PM
Post by: Darc Requiem on July 21, 2003, 07:02:16 PM
Post by: Gup on July 21, 2003, 07:20:12 PM
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Anyway, Baten Kaitos looks like just another Japanese-style RPG, except it's card based, so it's going to be boring. Didn't developers take a cue from Lost Kingdoms in that if we want to play with cards we'll play Magic, or Pokemon? Making battles card-based in RPG's has gotta be the stupidest idea ever.
There's ALWAYS an excuse to hate on a game. I still don't like the character designs, but I'd still pick this up if it releases outside of Japan.
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 21, 2003, 09:10:26 PM
Post by: Darc Requiem on July 21, 2003, 11:03:26 PM
Darc Requiem
Post by: Gamefreak on July 22, 2003, 12:34:16 AM
Anyway, this game looks....amazing. I'm not sure how many of you have seen this game in motion, but it's quite possibly the best looking RPG ever...
Post by: Mario on July 22, 2003, 02:24:40 AM
Also, Namco's sales estimate for Baiten Kaitos is 500,000 in Japan. Dont write this one off so quickly
Post by: SuperLink666 on July 22, 2003, 05:17:00 AM
Atleast it will be summer 2004 so there might be a drough
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 22, 2003, 05:19:47 AM
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Well to me it seems to be a Final Fantasy game in name only. Not much of a story, connectivety, no experience, mission based, no summons? Doesn't sound like a "Final Fantasy" game to me. FF:CC just looks like a "suped" up Gauntlet with out the exp points.
Completely agreed, the only relations are the enemies and probably the item's and weapon's name
Did that make Final Fantasy Tactics any less great?
Post by: egman on July 22, 2003, 05:24:13 AM
If the aquisition of cards revolves around some trading/mini game system my interest will drop nearly to zero. If they can ensure that the game will boil down to a herculean effort to get every card, then I'll give it a try.
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 22, 2003, 05:42:02 AM
Mouse Clicker, I have to agree with Darc on this one. You are being a little too narrow minded with the game.
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From a reviewer's point of view.....Chrono Trigger would be the best RPG ever made. Xenogears is great, awesome storyline, etc. FF7 is great too (but nowhere near top anything in my book). But you can't foget the gameplay, gameplay engineering, etc...That's the most important part, and you can't let things like an amazing story cloud your judgment....Well, anyway, everyone is entitled to their own favorite games....
Anyway, this game looks....amazing. I'm not sure how many of you have seen this game in motion, but it's quite possibly the best looking RPG ever...
Yes. I agree with you. From a reviewing perspective, Xenogears wouldn't be that great. Repetitive level design in later parts of the game, and the second disc has very little gameplay involved with it. The game was very rushed, as they ran out of funding, and were forced to bring it to the table with what was done. However, I don't feel that the game was compromised by that. The game was created to tell the greatest gaming story ever told, and that's what it did.
Chrono Trigger of course, was perfection in every area, and that's not to be trifled with, but to me personally, it didn't do as much for me as Xenogears. Don't get me wrong. I love both games to death... but Xenogears just struck me a hell of a lot harder, unfinished though it might have been.
Post by: Gohan_Chaos on July 22, 2003, 06:43:58 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on July 22, 2003, 07:19:53 AM
However I do think that the Gamecube already has it's fair share of card based RPGs so it doesn't really make that much sense to make another one. We already have Lost Kingdoms 1 & 2 and PSO III is going to be card based. Wouldn't it make more sense to give us some more conventional RPGs (since we only have like one) before going off into the less popular RPG sub-genres? I guess Monolith's other RPG will fill in the gap but so far the Gamecube's RPG lineup has been very non-traditional. It seems rather odd that RPG developers are taking risks and experimenting on a console that has a weak RPG lineup. Maybe they're hoping to popularize these ideas on a RPG starved userbase where any RPG will get more coverage than it would on the PS2.
Post by: rpglover on July 22, 2003, 07:57:00 AM
this game looks pretty good though from what i have seen in the pictures
but mouse_clicker has a point with the fact that in most rpgs you battle a lot and the battle system should be good
but we havent even seen the game in motion yet- i would bet that the battle system will not be like lost kingdoms
in lost kingdoms you only ever had one person in battle- yourself and you attacked by throwing cards
in this game it seems that it will be party based- so i could bet that the game would not feel like lost kingdoms
the cards could be used for all of the attacks and instead of picking attack or magic in a menu the cards themselves will serve that purpose
i would not write off this game because it is card based- give it a chance and see what it looks like in motion before you make judgements
Post by: rpglover on July 22, 2003, 08:21:46 AM
from gamepro.com
"As co-director Hiroya Hatsushiba was quick to point out, there is more to Baten's battle system than is obvious from the screenshots. "The battle system appears to be card-based," he said at the event, "but these are not card battles here. All of the player's actions in battle are governed by these Magnus cards, but the player has to choose his moves from cards which are continually dealt out to him. It's not like a collectible-card game as much as it feels like a falling-block puzzle game of sorts. To launch a combo, all you have to do is use a card before your current attack is completed, so depending on your deck and the cards you use, your combos vary widely. Work it right and you can double the power of your attacks, but if, for example, you use a fire-element card with a water-element card, the net effect could be cut in half."
It's worth noting that everything you can do in battle—including using items and running away from enemies—can only be done if you have the right Magnus card in your current hand. There are also some "voice-only" cards that're used mostly to go with your combo moves and make your party look cool."
it seems like this game wont feel like lost kingdoms at all- hope this helps out
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 22, 2003, 10:03:31 AM
Post by: Darc Requiem on July 22, 2003, 12:34:32 PM
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Narrow minded schmarrow minded- what comprises almost all of the gameplay in an RPG? Fighting enemies. Now, if you don't like the battle system so much you actually HATE fighting enemies, how the hell do you expect to get any enjoyment out of the game? Do you want to know why Grandia 2's one of my favorite games ever? Because it's battle system was so incredibly fun there wasn't a moment in that game I wasn't enjoying myself- I'd fight any enemy I could find because I loved the battle system so much. Now just reverse that and you get how I feel while playing card-based RPG's. I'm sure the story will be fantastic, the script will be wonderful, and everything else we've come to expect from Namco, but if I can't have fun fighting enemies in the game where else am I going to have fun? I REALLY don't want to drop 50 bucks down on a game I know I'm going to dread playing.
Your point is valid and I agree that if you hate an RPG's battle system you aren't gonna enjoy the game in most cases. That said you are still being narrow minded. You haven't played Baten Kaitos, no one here has so how can you say you hate the battle system! You haven't used the battles system and neither have I. Thats why although I too despise Card RPG's I'm actually willing to see how the battle system turns out before I write the game off. We've gotten what 10 screen shots and a quotable from the developer to go on and you've already written the game off. There has been many a time I've you seen you ream someone because they weren't giving a game a chance. It seems you are doing the same here. I mean I wasn't to keen on the battle system of Rubies of Eventide, it was a turned based MMORPG but I actually played the game and you know what I liked the battle system. Now if I would have had your attitude I would have missed out on a great game.
Darc Requiem
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 22, 2003, 01:49:08 PM
Post by: Mario on July 22, 2003, 05:28:06 PM
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CARDS = BAD. If the battle system has cards in it, I won't like it. I KNOW I won't like it. It's like when you don't want to fly in an airplane that's rusted, is dripping gas, and is flown by a guy with 2 lazy eyes. I don't need to be IN the airplane to know something's going to go wrong.
Dude, that is just wrong. It's like me saying i dont like cartoons, so Wind Waker = BAD! -_-
You havent played the game, dont be so shallow.
Post by: BlkPaladin on July 22, 2003, 06:17:57 PM
And as for the cards in the battle system it looks more like it just a part of the girls magic system to help with know which form that thing she has is going to take.
And The Magic box is reporting that after they are done with this, Xenosaga II, and the "Directors cut" of Xenosaga I they will be developing for more than just Namco. (Let the speculation begin.)
Its currently on the front news page.
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 22, 2003, 07:00:48 PM
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Dude, that is just wrong. It's like me saying i dont like cartoons, so Wind Waker = BAD! -_-
You havent played the game, dont be so shallow.
Jesus- I'm getting really tired of having to justify myself to everyone and their mother
First off, read what I said in my 3 or 4 other posts. Second, no, it's NOT like saying Wind Waker is bad because you don't like cartoons. I swear, all of you call me shallow when you're just as thickheaded. Let me ask you something- if you hated turn-based battles, I mean really despised them with every fiber of your being, do you think you're going to get ANY fun out of a turn-based RPG? Of course not! And are you going to take any crap from people calling you narrow minded or shallow? Hell no! I don't enjoy card-based battles and can deduce from their that I won't enjoy Baten Kaitos seeing as it is card-based. I'm sick and tired of every hypocrite on this board calling me shallow and narrow minded when they obviously don't understand my opinion.
Post by: Mario on July 22, 2003, 07:10:23 PM
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Let me ask you something- if you hated turn-based battles, I mean really despised them with every fiber of your being, do you think you're going to get ANY fun out of a turn-based RPG?
Actually i generally dont like turn based RPGs, i dont even own ONE turned based rpg besides Final Fantasy 7 which i dont like that much. But Pokemon is one of my all time favourite games. And guess what, its a turn based RPG. Go figure? Im also going to give Baiten Kaitos a chance, not because it looks like a fantastic game in my eyes, but because ive heard really good things about it and apparently its a very well made game. You are shallow minded.
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 22, 2003, 07:18:43 PM
Post by: Mario on July 22, 2003, 07:25:51 PM
Post by: rpglover on July 22, 2003, 07:31:39 PM
but i posted earlier a quote from one of the directors (from www.gamepro.com) about the battle system itself- and it seems nothing like a card battle system like yu-gi-oh or lost kingdoms
they said that you dont collect the cards- they are basically just the forms of attacks you can do
the cards are random on how you get them- they described it as a "falling block puzzle" type of battle system where you choose the attacks (on the corresponding cards) and combine them to make larger attacks or combos
i cant guarentee that even though it looks like a card based system, it wont feel like it that much since i havent seen it in motion
but the comments that the director made about it made me feel a little better about the battle system
i guess the only thing i can say is that you should just give it a chance and once you see the game in motion, you can make the final decision
i will most likely buy the title when it comes out just because its an rpg and made by monolith soft
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 22, 2003, 07:32:54 PM
Post by: Mario on July 22, 2003, 07:38:36 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 22, 2003, 07:44:06 PM
I don't enjoy card based battles.
Baten Kaitos's battles are card based.
I won't enjoy Baten Kaitos.
If you can't accept it, that's your problem, not mine.
Post by: HiTmaN on July 22, 2003, 07:44:38 PM
Post by: Mario on July 22, 2003, 07:51:45 PM
Im just concerned over the fact that you think this game is crap already, and you could be missing out on a great game. And also, i find it hard to believe you wont like the game because instead of choosing attacks from a menu, you choose them from a "card". That's just ridiculous.
Oh well, youre the one missing out on possibly a great game, not me.
Carry on.
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 22, 2003, 08:00:52 PM
Post by: Mario on July 22, 2003, 08:13:33 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 22, 2003, 08:15:47 PM
I'll probably spend the $50 on the Family Guy DVD and Anthem, or something.
Post by: PIAC on July 22, 2003, 08:17:21 PM
Post by: ThePerm on July 22, 2003, 10:29:58 PM
I also like games like shining force...and ill prolly love Fire Emblem.
Post by: Darc Requiem on July 22, 2003, 11:06:02 PM
I've had debates about Nintendo's direction and other topics where I've vehemently disagreed with other posters and went back and forth about it. Sometimes my opinion changes, sometimes it remains the same but I usually can ascertain the where the other person is coming from. I can respect their opinion because I see why they have come to their position. In this case I'm at a loss. You have nothing to go on and I myself don't know how the game will turn out.
As I've said before it could be terrible and it could be great. If we were discussing a title that we've all played and you said you hated the battle system that would be fine, but you haven't played it. You could play it and think its the best damn game ever but you won't. Its gamers like you that cause outstanding unique titles to sit on the shelves while shovelware sells in droves. You assume something it makes it fact and thats that. Nothing will change your opinion period. It reminds me of the people I try to get to try out my Gamecube. They haven't played Cube, but they assume the controller sucks, they assume that none of the games will appeal to them, and they don't play it so they won't ever find out. They could hate it, they could love it but like you they've already made their decision and thats that. Okay well its late, I'm burned out and frankly I give up.
Darc Requiem
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 23, 2003, 05:35:48 AM
In his eyes, it goes like this:
"The battle system is card based. I hate card based games, and since the battle system of an RPG is the most important factor of me enjoying it, I will not like Baten Kaitos."
It's truly sad. When Wind Waker came out, I had to deal with all kinds of people both online, and in real life who wouldn't even pick the game up because it looked too "fruity". But even that was more understandable than Mouse Clicker's statement. It's not like Baten Kaitos' battle system resembles ANYTHING that's out at the moment. You don't collect cards, you don't play any card games to fight battles, I get the impression that the combat is VERY fast paced, and resembles Tetris more than anything else. Seeing Mouse Clicker saying that he will hate it without a shadow of a doubt, just because it uses cards rather than a menu system is disturbing beyond belief. I seriously thought he was more rational than that. That's about the equivalent of hating a game just because it's on PS2 or Xbox in my books.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on July 23, 2003, 06:25:11 AM
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It's truly sad. When Wind Waker came out, I had to deal with all kinds of people both online, and in real life who wouldn't even pick the game up because it looked too "fruity".
First of all Ninja my boy, its not sad at all, it his opinion, and he is entitled to it. As for Wind Waker, if people choose not to play it based on its look then so be it. Visuals play a huge role in what people enjoy or dont enjoy, so not liking the way a game looks is a valid reason not to play it. Sorry if this goes against your always correct logic.
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Seeing Mouse Clicker saying that he will hate it without a shadow of a doubt, just because it uses cards rather than a menu system is disturbing beyond belief.
Seeing a bunch of lunatics trying to convince someone of what he likes or doesnt like is what I find disturbing. He doesnt like cards, simple as that, regardless of how you use them they are still there, it is perfectly acceptable to assume that he wont like this game as a result. I hate celery, you put celery in a dish and I can promise you, without even trying it, that I wont like it.
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I seriously thought he was more rational than that.
oh the irony.
I really could care less about an RPG as I cant stand them all, I prefer sports games. Please feel free to attack me for that, because remeber opinion is not welcome by many here.
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Post by: Round Eye on July 23, 2003, 08:54:42 AM
to and check out every game made by man kind. Sometimes you have to apply some criteria to a game before you go and play it, and usually that criteria is based on your likes and dislikes. Me, I am not a big fan of RPGs so I don't go and play everyone that comes out. I try a few odd ones here and there, ussually getting about 45mins into it before losing interest, I blame it on my ADD. Mouse obviously does not like the card battle system, get over it.
Post by: rpglover on July 23, 2003, 09:52:42 AM
it looks pretty cool if you ask me- it seems to keep you on your toes the whole time- you must choose the attacks quickly to make the combos
and the cards that are dealt out are random so your selection can be different every time
it looks really nice- cant wait for this game
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 23, 2003, 10:40:38 AM
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Whoa, people must be really attached to card based battle systems here. I am surprised Mouse_clicker's comments elicted such emotional response.
Make no mistake. We are arguing with Mouse Clicker because he has said that he will not like the game based on one line about the game that has been released and nothing else.
He's free to like and dislike any game he chooses of course, but I demand that he base his decisions on something a little less shallow. It's like refusing to play Mario Sunshine because it's in a tropical environment, and you hate the sun.
Post by: ThePerm on July 23, 2003, 11:12:03 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 23, 2003, 12:28:00 PM
Anyway, how about we get off the mouse bashing and on to serious discussion, guys- you obviously don't understand what I'm saying, so it's no used trying to change my opinion.
Post by: Darc Requiem on July 23, 2003, 12:43:34 PM
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It's truly sad. When Wind Waker came out, I had to deal with all kinds of people both online, and in real life who wouldn't even pick the game up because it looked too "fruity".
First of all Ninja my boy, its not sad at all, it his opinion, and he is entitled to it. As for Wind Waker, if people choose not to play it based on its look then so be it. Visuals play a huge role in what people enjoy or dont enjoy, so not liking the way a game looks is a valid reason not to play it. Sorry if this goes against your always correct logic.Quote
Seeing Mouse Clicker saying that he will hate it without a shadow of a doubt, just because it uses cards rather than a menu system is disturbing beyond belief.
Seeing a bunch of lunatics trying to convince someone of what he likes or doesnt like is what I find disturbing. He doesnt like cards, simple as that, regardless of how you use them they are still there, it is perfectly acceptable to assume that he wont like this game as a result. I hate celery, you put celery in a dish and I can promise you, without even trying it, that I wont like it.Quote
I seriously thought he was more rational than that.
oh the irony.
I really could care less about an RPG as I cant stand them all, I prefer sports games. Please feel free to attack me for that, because remeber opinion is not welcome by many here.
Well if you actually read any of my posts you would understand I'm not telling him what to like or not like. All I was asking for him to do is entertain the possibility that he could enjoy the game. There certain genre's of games that I don't like. That said that doesn't mean I'm gonna hate every game in that genre that just irrational and moronic. There is always an exception. My best friend hates sports game but he will at least give them a try. He loved Virtua Tennis which is a sports game. Using your logic. He would have never played it and missed out on one of his favorite games. There are plenty of people that hate fighting games but like Super Smash Bros. I have friend that dislike 3D fighters but loves Soul Calibur. I have yet to play a card based RPG I like but that doesn't mean I'm gonna ignore the whole genre and possibly miss out on my favorite games. Back in the NES days, I hated RPGs. I'd only played Hydlide and Deadly Towers both of which sucked and assumed that if its an RPG it must suck. Then I got a free copy of Dragon Warrior with my Nintendo power and now I love RPGs....go figure.
Darc Requiem
Post by: theRPGFreak on July 26, 2003, 10:49:33 AM
Post by: Polyethylene on July 26, 2003, 12:05:27 PM
Movies: Story, Gameplay & Batle system
Post by: PIAC on July 26, 2003, 03:54:20 PM
but anyway, as other people have said, atleast try the game, you could hate it and have been right all along, but then you could go hey... this isn't so bad, ive never even played a card based game and when i heard PSO 3 was going to be card based i was a bit annoyed, only because i loved PSO and didn't want it changed, but ill still give it a go.
or like... don't, it wont effect my life in the slightest, its just my opinon that you should give it a go.
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Post by: rpglover on July 27, 2003, 05:59:50 AM
my personal favorite rpgs of all time are chrono trigger, ff3, grandia 2, vagrant story, and of course valkyrie profile
in an rpg i look for mostly a good battle system to keep me entertained and a good story
i like customization too but i dont think i would like it too much in a console rpg- i like to keep that stuff for bioware to make on the pc
baten kaitos is on my top list right now- it has good things going for it- an interesting battle system, good graphics, and the directors making this game are very respectable in their fields of work
hopefully this game will live up to the hype i have for it right now
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 26, 2003, 02:09:36 PM
Baten Kaitos (Namco) - 8, 8, 8, 7 - 31/40 (Silver)
Anyone know what's so wrong with my most anticipated game that it didn't get a gold? *sniff*
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 26, 2003, 03:15:57 PM
Dengeki gave it straight 9's...
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 26, 2003, 04:00:09 PM
Post by: Lagviper on November 26, 2003, 07:31:54 PM
Unless the RPG sets the world on fire or if its named final fantasy, it will usually get scores in that range. Past famitsu rpg reviews.
Xenosaga: 32
Xenogears: 31
BoFV: 32
Tales of Destiny 2 (PS2): 32
Wild Arms 3: 31
Wild Arms: Code F: 33
FFX-2: 33
Unlimited Saga: 31
Grandia Xtreme: either 32 or 31
Kingdom Hearts 33
Highest rated this generation
Tales of Symphonia: 34
Shin Megami Tensei III 35
Dark Chronicle (DC2) 36
FFX 39
If BK gets 31 from famitsu, you immediatly know its not bad. When you see dengeki give it straight 9's, you can pretty much say that Baten Kaitos will be a big caliber RPG on gamecube.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 26, 2003, 07:35:39 PM
Post by: Lagviper on November 26, 2003, 07:38:09 PM
Post by: Koopa Troopa on November 26, 2003, 08:32:42 PM
As for Baten Kaitos, when I first saw it, I wasn't excited (not a fan of anything that has the word "Card" in it). But a couple weeks ago I watched some gameplay footage, and the battling looked fast and furious. If it comes to the US I'll definitely consider buying it, though, not before ToS, of course.
Oh, by the way, what are Dark Chronicle and Shin Megami Tensei?
Post by: PIAC on November 26, 2003, 09:05:38 PM
Post by: Zeth on November 26, 2003, 09:23:56 PM
Post by: Berny on November 27, 2003, 02:54:26 AM
Wait...Baten Kaitos? I though this was the Burger King thread.
By the way, Lagviper, your avatar is like twice the allowed size.
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 27, 2003, 08:01:20 AM
If Xenogears also got a 31, then I don't have anything to worry about. Koopa, Shin Megami Tensei is a Japanese RPG that's never come to North America. The Xbox one is probably the only reason Japan has sold ANY Xboxes.
Post by: Koopa Troopa on November 27, 2003, 09:56:35 AM
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dark chronicle = dark cloud, shin megami tensei? no idea
Ahhh, Dark Cloud... thanks =)
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Koopa, the same thing happened to me with BK.
Wait...Baten Kaitos? I though this was the Burger King thread.
Hehehehe
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Koopa, Shin Megami Tensei is a Japanese RPG that's never come to North America.
Ohhhh, I see. I kept trying to think of the english translation (like Seiken Densetsu == Legend of Mana-games), obviously it doesn't have one, though, hehe. Thanks =)
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The Xbox one is probably the only reason Japan has sold ANY Xboxes.
LoL! No doubt.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 27, 2003, 10:03:10 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 27, 2003, 10:31:43 AM
Post by: Polyethylene on November 27, 2003, 12:23:50 PM
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Originally posted by: Lagviper
Relax, its famitsu
Xenosaga: 32
Xenogears: 31
BoFV: 32
Tales of Destiny 2 (PS2): 32
Wild Arms 3: 31
Wild Arms: Code F: 33
FFX-2: 33
Unlimited Saga: 31
Grandia Xtreme: either 32 or 31
Kingdom Hearts 33
Har, har, har, none of them match ToS score.
I'm anticipating BK more than ToS though.
Post by: Lagviper on November 27, 2003, 05:06:27 PM
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"-The game is put together in a fashion that gives it an air of being an established, confident creation despite being completely new. The featured card game is completely playable on its own merit.
-The game stimulates the desire to collect stuff within its world, so the player never gets bored. However, characters on the map screen are very hard to see, coming off as mere specks when far away.
-This game can be enjoyed at one's own pace over a long period of time. Although the visuals are gorgeous, they are so precise to the point that it is actually difficult to make out things.
-A frequent number of sub-events gives the game a gives the game a feel of grandeur. However, I was bothered by the poor response time of the control pad, the poor pacing of dramatic scenes within the game, and the sudden darkening that occured with 'flagging.'"
So characters can get hard to see when far away (wow, we're breaking all logics barriers here..), the visuals are too good to the point where you cant draw the line between virtual and reality!
The control issue is a bit bothersome but he's the only one mentioning it, controls in an RPG are also usually one of the last thing to bitch about, its not an action game here, so he must have been desperate to find something negative to say. And it gets "too dark" at some point in the story, darn, i thought it would always stay happy happy and carebears would make an appearance.
Famitsu reviewers reminds me of the Iron chefs judges, no matter how good the chef is and how his food is some of the best in the world, the judges just keep nitpicking on something. They also have a different attitude with foreign chefs (but thats japan in a nutshell) and any rookie who dares challenging the Iron Chef (which would be square in famitsu' case).
I just find it funny.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 27, 2003, 05:11:50 PM
QuoteWell I can understand the map screen thing...They should have had the camera follow your character...
Originally posted by: Lagviper
So characters can get hard to see when far away (wow, we're breaking all logics barriers here..), the visuals are too good to the point where you cant draw the line between virtual and reality!
Post by: KDR_11k on November 28, 2003, 04:55:00 AM
Post by: Neko on November 28, 2003, 05:16:59 PM
You can find them at:
http://www.namco-ch.net/batenkaitos/cm/index.html
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 28, 2003, 05:27:44 PM
I mean, Tri-Ace and Monolith? That's the best combination since Enix and Square in Chrono Trigger. Lagviper I think is completely correct in this case. Those comments were so ridiculous that it really does seem that the reviewers just needed to invent things to bitch about.
Post by: akdaman1 on November 28, 2003, 06:12:41 PM
Post by: PIAC on November 28, 2003, 06:17:36 PM
Post by: akdaman1 on November 28, 2003, 06:25:30 PM
Post by: Koopa Troopa on November 28, 2003, 07:30:25 PM
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it's going to launch next to Super Mario RPG and Chronotrigger
Huh? Those games never came out in Australia?
Post by: Ocarina Blue on November 28, 2003, 07:40:58 PM
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Huh? Those games never came out in Australia?
Nope, but we know deep down Square loves us. Just a little less than everyone else.
Post by: ThePerm on November 30, 2003, 08:32:00 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 30, 2003, 12:45:59 PM
Post by: ib2kool4u912 on November 30, 2003, 02:23:06 PM
Post by: Berny on November 30, 2003, 02:33:46 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 30, 2003, 02:49:18 PM
Post by: Berny on November 30, 2003, 02:51:02 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 30, 2003, 08:54:14 PM
By the way, Himeya also has the Dengeki charts on the front-page. Atsumare! seems to be selling really well...
Post by: cheers69 on December 05, 2003, 07:52:21 PM
Post by: akdaman1 on December 05, 2003, 11:34:43 PM
Post by: Skyman_Welks on December 13, 2003, 08:26:01 AM
At first I wasn't too thrilled with the card system either, but now I think it looks pretty interesting. I was wondering, does anyone know where I can find a picture of the Japanese box art?
I'll definitely be getting both ToS and this!
Post by: Berny on December 13, 2003, 08:44:46 AM
It is excellent.
Post by: Grey Ninja on December 13, 2003, 09:10:55 AM
Also derived a new avatar from it.
Post by: rpglover on December 13, 2003, 09:23:17 AM
the battle system looks great- from what i see, its a turnbased system, you choose attack cards and try to link them for combos to do extra damage- and the game seems like it tries to keep you on your toes as you have to choose cards for defense as well to minimize damage recieved- looks pretty cool to me- i agree with grey- this is my most anticipated rpg and game for next year
Post by: Grey Ninja on December 13, 2003, 09:42:35 AM
I did really like the music in the game, and the fast battle load times though. Xenosaga drove me nuts with its load times...
Post by: akdaman1 on December 13, 2003, 10:00:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
well, I did watch the battle system movie, but I couldn't really figure out what was going on... It does look like a very good and innovative system, but I think I will have to sit down and play with it to really know for sure.
I did really like the music in the game, and the fast battle load times though. Xenosaga drove me nuts with its load times...
For once , you and I agree on something.
Those trailers are awsome , I really regret what I said before. I am suprised that some English voice acting has already been done...maybe we will get it sooner than we think.
The battle looks ingenious , My only problem is that it seems the battles take long. Anyway , this is by far the best gfx game on the gamecube.
P.S Is there a way for me to save those videos ?
Post by: ghostVi on December 13, 2003, 11:25:13 AM
For the Quick Time movies you need to view the HTML source of the frame that contains the movie, find the link with the "mov" extension and compose the URLS for yourself, or just right-click on the following links and choose "Save As...":
http://www.gametrailers.com/gt_vault/t_batenkaitos_battle.mov
http://www.gametrailers.com/gt_vault/t_batenkaitos_gi.mov
Post by: akdaman1 on December 13, 2003, 12:23:34 PM
Post by: rpglover on December 13, 2003, 02:46:26 PM
it's a turnbased system so you get your turn, then the enemies get to attack and so on...
basically battles seem to start with your turn first, and you have a limited amount of time to select your attacks (based on the cards delt to you)- i would say you get to order your cards, but it seems like they are reshuffled every turn so you must make use of what you have- you try to string cards together in your time frame to form combo attacks and do more damage, but after attacking, it seems like they try to keep you on your toes, so you have to choose cards for defense as well- basically you must choose the cards before the enemy's attack takes place- then the enemy attacks you- based on the defense you choose, you could limit the damage you take- this is all shown on the screen after every attack- it shows how much damage the enemy inflicted on you, then it shows next to it the damage taken away based on your card choice- it seems like a very interesting system indeed and i hope this game comes out in america- i really want to play it
Post by: KnowsNothing on December 13, 2003, 02:51:53 PM
I don't really like the style of the game very much. I like more lighthearted games as opposed to dark and serious ones.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 13, 2003, 03:14:53 PM
Post by: Berny on December 13, 2003, 04:01:42 PM
EDIT: Oh yeah, one more thing. How can a take a frame from a streaming video and make it an image?
Post by: akdaman1 on December 13, 2003, 06:46:58 PM
Post by: ghostVi on December 14, 2003, 01:01:41 AM
Post by: Smashman on December 14, 2003, 06:04:50 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on December 14, 2003, 08:13:26 AM
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Originally posted by: Berny
I for one, am very please with how this game is looking. The battles look...unique. I won't judge them until I actually use them.
EDIT: Oh yeah, one more thing. How can a take a frame from a streaming video and make it an image?
Well, the first thing I did was save the movie to my hard drive, so it wasn't exactly streaming.
But WMP uses a DirectDraw surface by default. If you change the Video Acceleration to "none" however, the movie will play purely in software. Then you can print screen all you like.
Post by: Smashman on December 14, 2003, 09:47:58 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on December 14, 2003, 09:51:40 AM
Post by: Padsgoo on December 14, 2003, 10:51:09 AM
As for the card gameplay, I've never played that way yet but I'm willing.
Post by: akdaman1 on December 14, 2003, 10:52:57 AM
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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
Mwergh. With me, it's about the graphics. The gameplay looks great, and that's what matters. I, too, am looking forward to this game, along with ToS.
Me and Knowsnothing agree on everything ...Its really weird.
Anyway , I hope the storyline is as deep as it looks. My main problem with RPG's , is when you are forced to backtrack and fight the same enemies over and over...it gets really repetive. But with a battle system like this I dont think I will mind all those battles ...
Post by: cheers69 on December 14, 2003, 12:46:34 PM
GO GO CUBE
Post by: WesDawg on January 15, 2004, 09:27:00 AM
"- When asked about the sales of Baten Kaitos, Namco's Haraguchi responded that it seems like the game did not match the GameCube userbase, therefore the game has not meet the expectations."
This pisses me off. Surely its not because you didn't advertise enough, or because your game isn't the next Final Fantasy. Or because you created some sort of weird card system for a console that seems flooded with card based RPGs. Its obviously because theres no userbase for it. Which explains why Skies of Arcadia and PSO sold so badly too. Except that I think they sold fine. I think the Tales game sold OK too from what I've heard. I'm not even sure why this sold so bad, but it pisses me off that he shifts all blame off of himself and onto his potential user base.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 15, 2004, 09:51:57 AM
Post by: Mario on January 15, 2004, 03:25:19 PM
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"- When asked about the sales of Baten Kaitos, Namco's Haraguchi responded that it seems like the game did not match the GameCube userbase, therefore the game has not meet the expectations."
Ugh, maybe if developers actually made more 'realistic' RPGs then the GameCube's userbase would expand to people who do buy those types of games.
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Which explains why Skies of Arcadia and PSO sold so badly too. Except that I think they sold fine.
Skies of Arcadia sold horribly, and PSO did 'okay'. I think Baton Kaitos even outsold PSO and Skies, and it's still considered a "bomb". Tales of Symphonia sold pretty well, it's the 16th highest selling GCN game in Japan (total sales), so yeah, i guess thats pretty good for a game without "Nintendo" slapped on it.
Post by: WesDawg on January 15, 2004, 05:36:55 PM
Post by: akdaman1 on January 15, 2004, 06:52:09 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 15, 2004, 07:10:27 PM
Post by: Berny on January 16, 2004, 05:57:30 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 16, 2004, 06:03:16 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Perhaps they'll find some comfort in the fact that japanese gamers voted Tales of Symphonia as the most satisfying gaming experiene of 2003...
I can't tell you how happy I was when I first saw that... ^_^
Post by: Berny on January 16, 2004, 06:09:56 AM
Post by: akdaman1 on January 16, 2004, 10:20:45 AM
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Originally posted by: Berny
You don't have to bother, Bill. We all know how you feel about this game.
and me !!!
I actually didnt know that TOS won that award ....YAYAY got TOS.
Post by: Crono on April 02, 2004, 07:03:27 PM
Post by: akdaman1 on April 02, 2004, 08:26:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Crono
yea uh i havent heard anything for a while about this game. so i was wondering if it is comin to the U.S. or not cause i havent seen anything yet. so i was wondering if they plan to realese it here and if it sold well in japan or not well if you could answer that would be great.
You just repeated yourself like 10 times.
Yeah Its coming to the USA. It didnt sell very well in Japan. It made close to 100 000
Post by: Crono on April 03, 2004, 04:24:36 AM
Post by: akdaman1 on April 03, 2004, 12:44:45 PM
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Originally posted by: Crono
have they announed when they will realese it?
Not Officialy but sources say its coming. Its apparently locked for Q3-4
Post by: Berny on April 03, 2004, 01:27:40 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on July 26, 2004, 07:03:47 PM
Reviving Darc's argument, I hate card-battlers, but somehow, after watching the battle video at gametrailers, it reminded me a lot of PSO...don't know why, never was a big PSO fan, but for w/e reason, this game seems to draw me to it. Odd...I'm slightly disappointed that it only has one FMV (the opening scene we've all seen by now), but at least it has real-time cutscenes as well. And the overworld - don't ask me why - gives me a distinct "FFVIII" feeling...I'm rambling now, as as with PSO, I was slightly disappointed by VIII when compared to the rest of the series, but still...Baten Kaitos...*drool again*...
BTW, did Grey Ninja ever get around to posting those screenshots? I'd like to see them, but right now it's 11:10 at night so I'd really rather go to bed than look for them. My avatar rox your sox, admit it.
EDIT: I probably sounded stupid to whoever read it in the past five minutes, I meant the first to PSO's, not Ep III.
EDIT 2: ...two*...lol...
Post by: KDR_11k on July 26, 2004, 10:02:05 PM
BTW, if we want to get into people hating their avatars, I have a kind-of FF8 avatar (well, it's from UT2004, but the character comes from FF8) and absolutely hate that game (ARGH! Must. Kill. Squall.).
Post by: Hybrid Hunter on July 27, 2004, 04:13:01 AM
Post by: rpglover on July 27, 2004, 03:39:42 PM
i love the look of this game- and the battle system looks very cool- not card based as some think it is- the cards themselves represent attacks- some represent items for healing, ect..
say you play a sword attack card (regular attack) then add a fire card your attack would be one attack with the fire element added- if you add fire and water together, the result would be that the elements counter act eachother and thus null the attack causing less damage- it seems to be a very interesting system- and i really cant wait for it to arrive- last i heard the game was supposed to come out in november- but dont hold me too it- now back to tales of symphonia!
Post by: Syl on July 27, 2004, 05:25:09 PM
It now has expections that i'm not so sure it can excede.. .Tales completely blew me away, I really hope baiten Kaitos can do the same.
Post by: notic on August 04, 2004, 04:52:41 PM
Post by: californian_uppercut on August 07, 2004, 10:42:01 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 17, 2004, 02:06:27 PM
Nintendo.com
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 17, 2004, 03:57:25 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 17, 2004, 04:14:48 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 17, 2004, 04:21:59 PM
UPDATE: I saw the full commerical on adult swim just now and it has a guy on a roof top sprouting wings on his shoulders to depict the main character i guess then the word avenger pops up and then you see a asian with a twisty beard to probably depict a wise elder or magic user going down escalator then the cube logo comes up how the same way i descibed it the post before.
Post by: evil intentions on August 17, 2004, 08:02:28 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 17, 2004, 09:08:31 PM
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Reminded me a lot of ToS...only, it's probably not as good.
Well Baten Kaitos can be hell of alot better than *insert crappy filler PS2 RPG* like wild arms 3.
