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Title: Fish-men?
Post by: JNethery on July 09, 2003, 11:15:31 PM: I have a question about the fish-men (map-fish). Who are they? They must be of SOME importance since after you come out of the Earth Temple (I think?) you see one of them talking to KORL and he says something about repaying his debt. What debt? What's that all about, anybody?
Title: RE: Fish-men?
Post by: JNethery on July 09, 2003, 11:17:38 PM: Also, I think that there's a possibility that the fish-men may be Zoras (I don't know why, but it just seems like a possibility). I'm not trying to get into the whole Zora/Rito thing here, there's enough of that in other topics. I'm just saying that maybe SOME of the Zoras became the fish-men. I don't know why the Zoras would owe a debt to the King of Hyrule though...
Title: Fish-men?
Post by: DRJ on July 14, 2003, 04:35:39 AM: The only purpose that the fish-men serve in the game is that the give you information for your sea map, and also some clues. There are trying to fight evil the best way they can, I mean how much can you expect from a fish.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 14, 2003, 12:29:55 PM: Arrow skewered sushi.
Title: Fish-men?
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 15, 2003, 06:52:30 AM: The "debt" is basically that the KoRL helped the mer-men sometime in the past. I don't think they ever explained what the favor was, however.
Title: RE: Fish-men?
Post by: Bloodworth on July 15, 2003, 10:03:17 PM: Well, I don't get the whole Rito-Zora connection period. Fishy folk like the Zoras should be everywhere in the Great Sea, maybe not replacing the fish, but there's no sensible reason that they should have been turned into birds if you ask me.
Title: Fish-men?
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 16, 2003, 03:43:55 AM: I agree with bloodworth. I can see the zoras eventually becoming land creatures, but it would take hundreds of years, and that still doesn't explain the beak. I'm still trying to find out who the Rito really are, and the only explainantion I have is that the scientist by Lake Hylia secretly bred that annoying owl with a Gerudo.
Title: Fish-men?
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 16, 2003, 05:51:14 AM: The boat course guy hangs around the cafe bar in Windfall at night. There, he says you'd better be careful about throwing bait in the water, because the mermen might come up and pull you under water. Initially, I figured this referred to the painter fish that do your map, but the more I read it, the more it seems to be a referrence to the possibility of Zora in the Great Sea.

As for Rito, according to the story, they develop wings when Valoo gives them a scale (sort of like how Zora scales let you swim in OoT) when they come of age. I don't know where they come from or anything, or if they're Zoras, but that's what it says. . .

If you ever do any of the Nintendo Gallery, be sure to get the two "Rito" dudes at the flight platform. . . rather odd.
Title: Fish-men?
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 16, 2003, 06:11:56 AM: Ack!....spoilers

How many times does this Zora-Rito thing need to be explained? The water that makes up the Great Sea is not normal water. That's why you see no regular fish in it, just monsters. Sort of like an evil, magic water(yeah, it's weird, blame Ninty). I believe Ganondorf explains that near the end as well. Now that explains why the Zora are no longer in the Sea.

The transformation of the Zora to the Rito is basically explained by evolution, just as dinosaurs evolved into birds.(except for the fact that the Rito did not learn how to fly on their own. They are given scales by Valoo to do so). Not to mention the fact that the Zora sage called Medli her descendent.

So can we just end this discussion for good?
Title: RE: Fish-men?
Post by: Bloodworth on July 16, 2003, 04:49:24 PM: I didn't say we didn't know what the story was. I said it didn't make any sense. :-P
Title: Fish-men?
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 17, 2003, 09:55:04 AM: I'd love to, Bill, but could you please explain how Outset is a fishing island? And how all the seagulls manage to survive?
Title: Fish-men?
Post by: DRJ on July 17, 2003, 10:35:27 AM: Quote
how all the seagulls manage to survive?

They gang up on all the Giant Octos and then have have a big feast. Havent you noticed that they are always circling around the Octos just waiting for the right moment to strike.
Title: Fish-men?
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 17, 2003, 10:38:06 AM: Ah, true dat. Crazy, swarming devil seagulls that eat squids. Perfect
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Post by: Bill Aurion on July 17, 2003, 11:31:47 AM: Don't blame me for little loopholes like that. I'm just using what was told in the game.
Title: Fish-men?
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 17, 2003, 03:43:00 PM: Yeah, I just ignore it. I just assume there are fish and just keep on playing.
Title: Fish-men?
Post by: DRJ on July 18, 2003, 05:02:41 AM: Quote
Yeah, I just ignore it. I just assume there are fish and just keep on playing.

Exactly, I mean it is just a game. People worry themselves over if there are fish or not, or how the birds eat. But nobody cares that the fish can talk, That there are rats that will talk to you and sell you stuff. Its just a game. The story is going to have some things that dont make since, considering that the game is based in a fantasy workd, thats to be expected.

Also when the fish writes on your map how come it doesnt smudge, I mean the paint brush/pen he uses is just floating in the ocean. Where do they get the ink for that matter. And most importantly how can you posses the body of a seagul, just by feeding it a pear. The list goes on and on.
Title: RE: Fish-men?
Post by: Gamefreak on July 18, 2003, 10:48:28 PM: Um, there is only one fish.

How he magically appears on whichever sector you are in is beyond me, but there is only one fish....he has a name too for pete's sake. Really, where did you get the assumption that there is a whole race of them? Don't you actually read what anyone in the game says?
Title: Fish-men?
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 19, 2003, 05:57:21 AM: No, that one fish says something about him telling all the other fish to help you out, after you meet him while leaving Dragon Roost for the first time. So I think there may be many. But still, it's a fish, and it talks, whether or not there are one or twenty.
Title: RE: Fish-men?
Post by: Gamefreak on July 19, 2003, 08:57:58 AM: Hmm...well I just went and read all of his lines and I didn't see it anywhere....Besides it's not like all the fish would talk the exact same and call you small fry...
Title: Fish-men?
Post by: DRJ on July 19, 2003, 09:31:33 AM: The fish says it the first time you talk to him (in addition to his clue). He says something like Ill tell everyone about you just throw some bait in the water blah blah blah
Title: RE:Fish-men?
Post by: Game_Master on July 30, 2003, 03:20:58 PM: Yeah he does say that but it's also confusing because if you talk to the fish twice at the same island he plays this game with you using your arrows. And if you do that twice at a different island he'll say want to play our game again? (that or something close to the lines of that.) It just doesn't make sense.
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Post by: Klutzy Girl on August 01, 2003, 04:42:16 PM: Yeah I know but it's not one fish. It's many. Trust me.