Post by: mjbd on July 08, 2003, 03:38:29 PM
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Post by: Tanookisuit on July 08, 2003, 06:28:18 PM
I think the most polished games are Zelda, Metroid, and most of all SSB:M. Smash Brothers still looks great, plays great, and I never once thought something looked or sounded out of place. It still has the best Mario model of any Cube game so far. SSB:M=extreme polish.
Post by: HolyPaladin on July 08, 2003, 06:57:02 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on July 08, 2003, 09:15:28 PM
Those blocks look mega shiny, I'm sure they had a good polish.
Post by: Smadte on July 08, 2003, 09:20:51 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 08, 2003, 10:23:06 PM
Post by: Plugabugz on July 09, 2003, 01:51:31 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 09, 2003, 02:24:15 AM
Smash Brothers? No. The characters are unbalanced.
Sunshine? Possible. No visible flaws, just a disappointing final stage/boss.
Eternal Darkness? Hm... Hard to say, but I thought those damn Cha'tturgha Zombies were too hard.
So it's Sunshine vs. Darkness... Darkness has better plot, but Mario isn't the storydriven kind of game... Darkness' gameplay consists mostly of "kill all enemies and proceed to next room"... Sunshine has "minigames"...
Well, I'd say it's SMS, then...
Post by: Mario on July 09, 2003, 02:36:07 AM
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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
Tetris Worlds.
Those blocks look mega shiny, I'm sure they had a good polish.
damn it
i was gonna say something like thatAnyway, ummmmmm..... the most polished GCN game would have to be.... Pikmin? Well maybe ill save it for Pikmin 2. All Pikmin was missing was Multiplayer and a bit more variety, Pikmin 2 looks to have all that and more, so Pikmin 2!
As for games that are out, hmmmm, either Metroid Prime, Eternal Darkness, Super Mario Sunshine or ermm SSBM.
*shrugs shoulders*
Post by: Plugabugz on July 09, 2003, 03:55:52 AM
I only found one 'bug' in Metroid Prime, that was mostly turned to my own advantage;
*SPOILERS*
In the Phazon Mines in the Ore Processing Centre, rotate the yellow track until it is fully lined up. Spider Ball the whole way up, then push the ball out until is is off the track itself. Bomb there, then get out of the ball. If you time it right (You need to do it about after 1 and a half seconds), Samus ends up standing on the top of the yellow track. Turn around and jump up to the platform.
If done wrong when timing the process, for no reason whatsoever does she get 'pushed' back into the ball and falls all the way back down to the ground.
I nominate Metroid Prime for it's non-linear gameplay. However, Super Monkey Ball 1/2 is the nearest equivalents.
Post by: Rhoq on July 09, 2003, 04:19:55 AM
The game never experiences any sort of frame rate slow-down. The control is solid. The crash detection is just about as perfect as it can get in a game (sure there are some minor flaws, but I have yet to see a game in this or the previous generation that didn't suffer from crash detection problems in one way or another) and the storyline is one of the most entertaining...EVER.
It is a combination of everything I have mentioned that makes ED the most polished game to me.
You have to remember that gameplay and story have to factor into the mix along with the graphics and audio.
With that said, I'm glad that Silicon Knights moved the game from the N64 to the GameCube. I also hope that they delay Too Human so it can be a launch title for the successor of the Cube. I am sure that however amazing the game might be now - it will be even more of experience on the future console.
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Post by: egman on July 09, 2003, 05:40:59 AM
If ED was not so polished, it wouldn't be so effective on a psychological level.
Post by: DRJ on July 09, 2003, 05:42:27 AM
Post by: rpglover on July 09, 2003, 06:26:56 AM
the effects are very nice and although the character models are not the best, they all move real fluently and lifelike
the sanity effects put the game over the top though- they were well done and most i never even saw coming
the story was very well written and placed perfectly into the game- to me it was a perfect balance of story and gameplay
and you could go into the story as deep as you liked or just run through and enjoy it even more
metroid prime is a good second for me- the graphics were great and the gameplay was good too
it really felt like super metroid in 3d which is what i wanted
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 09, 2003, 06:30:29 AM
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Post by: egman on July 09, 2003, 07:40:51 AM
By the way, if you can play games in widescreen, then you must try ED in widescreen mode. ED is the reason I wish more games actually had a widescreen option.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 09, 2003, 07:47:38 AM
My pick for the most polished Cube game is Super Smash Bros Melee. The graphics and sound were absolutely perfect for the game, so much so that the Mario model used in the game hasn't been topped by any Cube Mario title since. The gameplay was tight and there was a buttload of game modes so no matter what there was always something to do. There was also a great deal of customization available to the user. Any game that allows you to pick each individual weapon that's available is a polished title. Plus there was a huge attention to detail with all of the Nintendo references and the trophies. It was a love letter to Nintendo fans and as a result is the most polished title on the Gamecube.
I'll agree that Eternal Darkness is an honorable mention. My only real gripe with that title was that the zombies were too generic. During demos we were told they were mere placeholders and in the end they remained as the real thing.
Post by: Cooolcorey on July 09, 2003, 09:16:42 AM
Not just the graphics are polished either. The music is awesome, the gameplay is a perfect tribute to past Metroid games.
To me Eternal Darkness's controls were a bit clunky at first (I got the hang of it after a while), but Metroid, you could easily pick it up and play it, or at least I did, some people had problems with aiming I guess, but for me it was easy.
Don't get me wrong I love ED, but the graphics just aren't as good (great lighting effects, but look at Alex's character model...) I loved the music, but it got a bit repetitive.
I think Metroid takes ED. Zelda was great too.
Post by: Plugabugz on July 09, 2003, 10:42:16 AM
I wonder what the least polished GCN title is *Leans towards new topic button*
Post by: JB on July 09, 2003, 11:37:20 AM
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Sorry, I feel Metroid Prime doesn't deserve that award because it's too buggy and the translation has two misleading hints (pointing towards the wrong rooms).
The European version of Metroid Prime had all the obvious bugs removed and the AI was improved to make it more difficult than the US version. Also the hints and logs where slightly altered. I'd have to say that if the US version doesn't deserve the award, the European version definately does.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 09, 2003, 01:24:28 PM
Them monkey balls are quite polished.
Post by: mjbd on July 09, 2003, 02:03:06 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 09, 2003, 02:31:58 PM
As for Metroid Prime, even in the American version I had no problems. No bugs ever bothered me, and I never condescended to using hints. So that'd probably be in third place.
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 09, 2003, 06:15:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Plugabugz
It seems funny how we've all chosen GCN-Exclusive games
I wonder what the least polished GCN title is *Leans towards new topic button*
It wouldn't make sense to choose a multiplatform game, as those generally have the least polish, because they are made with the intention of porting it to another system. About the only exception I can think of is Soul Calibur II, which reeks of polish on all 3 systems.
Post by: Drz on July 10, 2003, 06:38:46 AM
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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
Tetris Worlds.
Those blocks look mega shiny, I'm sure they had a good polish.
Actually Metal Mario has the most polish. Check out his SSB:M trophy. It must have 20 layers of polish!!!!
But seriously, I think Metroid Prime has the most polish, hands down. I still play that game ocassionally, mostly to drool over the graphics. Almost every time I play it, I notice some new little graphical detail that I missed the first time I played it through. MP also has killer gameplay. I still love just jumping around and turning into the ball while boosting all over the place, even though I've logged in over 100 hours on the game. MP truly is an amazing game.
OFF TOPIC:
MP has to be the biggest sleeper hit of all time. How could Metroid Prime NOT sell 4 million units by now??!?! MP is definitely on my "Top 5 Games of All Time" list. It's a sign of things to come in this industry IMO, and I don't like to think about it really. My only peace of mind is that the forces that are trying to change the video game industry (in a bad way I might add) are probably going to be losing alot of money when the next video game industry slump occurs, if they already aren't losing money at this point (M$ and many third party developers are losing alot of money now).
Post by: KDR_11k on July 10, 2003, 10:24:44 PM
The Garden of Life is described as a GROVE of life (grove highlighted) and the lava basin is described as SEA of molten rock (sea highlighted, usually the highlighted word occurs in the name of the room). There was a room named grove at the surface with water in it and another one named sea of fire with two pillars in the center. That's why this point was really frustrating for me, I searched in the wrong rooms.
Post by: JB on July 11, 2003, 02:55:58 AM
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The Garden of Life is described as a GROVE of life (grove highlighted) and the lava basin is described as SEA of molten rock (sea highlighted, usually the highlighted word occurs in the name of the room). There was a room named grove at the surface with water in it and another one named sea of fire with two pillars in the center. That's why this point was really frustrating for me, I searched in the wrong rooms.
Isn't that room the hint points to called the Life Grove? That's what it's called in my version of Metroid Prime.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 11, 2003, 10:31:33 PM
Post by: bootang82 on July 12, 2003, 07:33:18 AM
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It seems funny how we've all chosen GCN-Exclusive games
I wonder what the least polished GCN title is *Leans towards new topic button*
It wouldn't make sense to choose a multiplatform game, as those generally have the least polish, because they are made with the intention of porting it to another system. About the only exception I can think of is Soul Calibur II, which reeks of polish on all 3 systems.
For sure, SCII is up there in terms of polish with any game. The only thing I would have added would've been more interactive environments like in DOA 3. But besides that, the game is as good as you can possibly get (I played it last night for the first time in like 2 months and I had totally forgotten what a perfect game it was).
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 12, 2003, 01:59:36 PM
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I think Metroid Prime. I mean, they took the time to add in freaking dew on your visor when you run into water or steam. Heat ripples when monsters shoot fire at you. Reflections when you walk up to something shiny. Water ripples when you jump into water.
I'm sorry I'm being nit-picky, but regarding the dew on the visor, the pattern was always the same each time you walked into steam. Retro Studios could have made the water droplets form at random, or at least have multiple patterns the game could use at random.
And water rippling when you walk into it isn't that great, is it?
But still, I don't want to sound like i hate the game, becasue it is easily one of my favs.
Most polished game you ask? Let's see...most polished game I own right now has to be LoZ:WW. When you walk out of the water, your dripping wet, and if you talk to someone while wet the water is still dripping!
My only graphical complaint is that while sailing, the water is being pushed off the bow into the air, and and when it goes back into the water there's no splashing or anything, and it lookss quite unnatural. Besides that, this game oozes polish, so much, that the polish seeps out of the Gamecube and onto my other games making them more polished. Unbelieveable!
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 12, 2003, 02:31:22 PM
Post by: JB on July 13, 2003, 11:33:51 PM
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That bit annoys me, too, knowsnothing. Also when you're sailing, the water goes through the bottom of your boat, which of course is okay, but it still annoys me.
I think Link would have to disagree with you! ;-)
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 14, 2003, 04:25:58 AM
I'm not a mod, but if too many people break the rules, the avatars could be taken away from everybody. And we wouldn't want our nice, law-abiding forum users being punished, now would we?
Post by: 007 on July 16, 2003, 03:29:35 AM
Post by: JB on July 16, 2003, 03:56:01 AM
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I would have to say Metroid Prime but Halo still is my favorite game
When was Halo released on the GameCube?
